Whatever would you want to do that for?
From what I've been told here, usually it does not actually lead to a successful projection. It has in fact been linked with being attacked by negative entities. :) Robert Bruce said so in his book PPSD, unless I misunderstood. Most of my interest is in actual projection.
i thought sleep paralysis was the whole focus in getting a AP or OBE!?!? well i guess than my question would be how do u get into an ideal state for an AP/OBE?
Sleep paralysis is when you are awake but the mechanism to avoid acting out your dreams is still keeping you from moving. Strong emotions make the problem worse. The trick to breaking it is to relax and try to concentrate on moving one of your big toes.
Robert Bruce suggests concentrating on deep relaxation, silencing the internal dialogue, and inducing trance states. NEW is intended to support these things. Then energy body loosening imagery followed by a projection technique.
hmmmm, isnt the pre-requisite state for projecting the mind awake/ body asleep state???
isnt this exactly what sleep paralysis is?
In sleep paralysis you are aware of your body but unable to move it. The mind awake / body asleep condition lacks the clear awareness of having and being in the body.
vc
Astral Dynamics
index, p. 557 Sleep paralysis. See Waking paralysis
index, p. 559 Waking paralysis, 79, 87-98, 547
p. 79 is the first page of chapter 5, Astral Sight
It says that waking-paralysis can have astral sight along with it.
p. 87 to p. 98 is chapter 6, Waking Paralysis
This is worth reading.
p. 547 is in the glossary
Waking Paralysis: Also called sleep paralysis. Dissociation between the physical body and its mind, often causing total physical paralysis to occur. In the author's opinion, this is a powerful mind-split effect caused by OBE. The mind literally wakes up inside its dissociated, paralyzed physical body while a powerful OBE is still in full progress. Also see Complications of Consciousness, Mind-Split, Mind-Split Effects.
Well , I've read all this and I'll give my 2 cents..
Timmerdog , I personally dont think that working towards getting to a paralyzed state is somethign you should avoid. I use the paralyzed state for 90+ percent of my successful projections. I cant seem to do it any other way.. After I notice the paralysis , I use some mental movie of me moving a specific way and combining that with physically trying to move, will yeild an OBE for me.
Anyway , to answer that question .. try sitting upright and listening to something, get totally comfortable (if its painful in some way it may still work --since my position makes my teeth hurt from my hand being on my braces).. when your comfortable and can make your body go totally limp without falling over .. simply remain still and keep getting more and more relaxed with each exhale .. listen to either music or some boring lecture that you have to listen to anyway. This keeps you from going to sleep ( i listen to my teacher in class ). You may notice that after a while , your next will start to vibrate , it will probably catch you off guard and youll notice some wierd states of relaxation before the vibrations and paralysis kick in..
What I do is , I'll get in my desk , sit on one foot comfortably , tilt my head down to my chest , put my right elbow on my lap and use that arm's hand to hold my head up ( my palm ends up on my mouth ) , its painful at the start cause I have braces but the pain turns into numbness I guess from no circulation getting there eventually ... heh.. but by that time , I'll get vibrations.. Listening to my teacher in that position , while I let myself go totally limp , gets me in the astral almost every morning.. I've took it upon myself to fail that class and use it for spiritual advancment .. and if I ever want to travel to the past .. Ill just listen to the teacher in astral since its American History :)
I hope this helps .. all you really need to induce paralysis is a perfectly still , relaxed , limp body and either something to focus on while relaxing or quieting your mind. Youll eventually be in that state. Just try not to fall asleep =P ( thats why I sit upright )
For everyone else , paralysis is a great way to indue an OBE , I dunno why anyone would give advice to skip that step. While I'm laying down after noticing my body starting to go numb , I'll send waves of awareness through my body to try to create a rocking sensation until I start to rock around in my bed .. thats when I'm laying down. I dont usually feel paralysis that way but it sorta made me fling out onto my floor in astral one night. Good luck everyone!
Sleeping on your back, food and sleep deprevation can cause sleep paralysis.
So far the only test I have found to determine if I cannot move is to try to move. No paralysis so far. Sometimes the limbs respond a bit sluggishly, but I have never actually been unable to move. It must be an interesting experience.
Inducing the paralysis state and having sleep paralysis are two entirely different things.
Zarklon what you are discribing is a type of meditation thing where you get into trance state and are in a sense paralyzed.
However the way 'sleep paralysis' is used on this forum and most books. (wonders if you read Astral Dynamics timmerdogg). It isn't a pleasant state and it isnt one you induce. Its something you wake up in. And the reason people would say why would you want to induce it is A. it isn't induced its spontaneous. If you're going to induce anything induce trance which yes leads to paralysis of a TYPE but isn't sleeping paralysis by a long shot.
B.) most times you wake up with sleeping paralysis its unexpected and people normally are very frightened by it. I personally had what i thought were lucid dreams by peeling myself off bed during waking paralysis. However as far as a method lets say if there was a way to insure you woke up with sleeping paralysis it would without a doubt be the worst method ever. Because of the feeling of waking up paralyzed and by the sensing of a presense usually the whole time.
What is obvious is mixing up two terms. The slight paralysis robert bruce talks about during deep trance and waking up completely paralyzed sensing a presence.
Most people who have experienced sleeping paralysis on a regular basis such as myself would never recommend it as a technique that is to be learned. Plus I dont think many know what sleep paralysis is caused by so it would be very hard to induce anyway.
Well whatever this paralysis is .. its not pleasant and yes I'm completely paralysed .. I cant move and if I try , it just vibrates my body even more .. its very strange , not painful but uncomfortable yea. Whatever I reach .. whether it be a state of trance or whatever , its given me a successful projection 90 percent of the time .. rarely do I have trouble exiting .. sometimes i do feel stuck to my body in some places and even trapped in but This state is interesting nonetheless and I encourage people to try to reach this state if at all possible to have an OBE even if it goes against your opinion. I'm not saying your wrong, we just have our own views , thanks for yer input .
I get it all of the time but it dosen't bother me much anymore.
goingslow is right, in that WP and SP are two different things.
I, myself, have SP and it is one of the most painful things to experience! Sometimes it was so severe that I couldn't get up off my bed...and then I would end up getting around 6 to 9 more SP attacks (and received it almost every two weeks, or even more!). It was so terrible I missed a lot of school and I was sore all the time.
And I've been having it for around 3 to 4 years now. Only now has it been coming less (for a few months now).
I also experience extreme pain. For the most part (the 3 years) I couldn't even move without having something hurt me in return (esp. the neck, lower back and spine). I would have SP just as I went to sleep or just as I woke up, or in a dream state, or even in a half-asleep/half-awake dream state. I would see the worst things, hear voices, high-pitched screams...etc. I'd even orgasm (though, it was disgusting, to put it mildly.).
It was even worse because I had no idea what it was until a year after I started receiving them. I thought I was mad (and blamed my house...). And nobody knew what it was and thought I was 'just dreaming'. Having bad nightmares. I get it less now, I can stay in the paralysis or get out of it if I choose to (this is kinda neat, though). I can keep it for up to a few minutes more, and just watch everything around me (in my room).
Anyway, so yea, Sleep Paralysis not recommended. Waking induced Paralysis is.
But, what I found out recently is that you CAN get out through SP. I did this once (or twice), then panicked. But, just stick to the Waking Paralysis, which is what you get anyway when you go into a trance deep enough.
There was my input, just felt like sharing this with you all and to any who has SP (serious or not). And...I need to read that book *big sigh*.
I agree that SP is probably not desirable, simply because it catches you off guard. I think that mind awake/body asleep methods are closely related but the major difference is that you are all geared up to expect such effects and are trying to bring about an astral experience.
However, when you just wake up out of the blue completly paralysed it can be terrifying! Whats worse is that you are actually still in a low level astral state so your fear often takes on the form of 'an evil presense'- it isnt really of course but this is how it comes across since the fact that you can't move automatically makes you think that you are being pinned down by somthing. I often get weird voices and other effects generated by the mind that go along with it.
Once I learned what SP was it has ceased to be very scary although it is still perturbing at first: I feel the 'presense' and so on but once I remind myself that its actually all my own fears then it vanishes and I am fine with it and wait for full sensation to return, although I am yet to try to push the experience towards a full AP.
However, due to residual fear that might still be hanging around from the initial shock of the SP, it would probably be a bad time to induce an OBE. For this reason, No, I do not recomend SP as a means of AP.
Regards,
Douglas
three years ago i woke up in the middle of the night. I couldnt move my body then i open my eyes and i seen a dark figure in front of my bed and it roar at me a chill went up my body and there was a acid like feeling in my chest so i close my eyes then i reliezed that i was having a SP exsperince
Yup, the dark figure and so on are all consistent with SP.. all that the scary visions (or in my case voices) are, are fear projections,
once you realise this you will be suprised at how quickly such a scary situation fades and the visions and so on disapear. then all you have to do is sit tight, enjoy the experience and wait for full feeling to return. On the other hand, you might want to go all out and try to achieve a full AP, although as I said, due to the sudden nature of the SP and any residual fear that might still be lurking around, I probably wouldnt recomend it.
Some fear prjections can be quite inventive, once I had what I am convinced was little goblins or elf like creatures trying to pin me down and muttering to me - scary!
The second time this happened part of me was reminded that they were fear projections. as a result they faded away, leaving me in the state of SP without any residual fear manifistations... it then quite obvious what was going on.
I think this is a major problem though, becaue people mistke fear projections as evil entities (I did at first) and this has gone on to fuel the whole 'neg' belief system that plagues everyone on the Psychic self defence forum - those people are convinced they are under attack from negs and this goes on to fuel their belief. Now and again I stop by on that forum but its always the same problem, a lot of them are suffering from SP, they then go onto the astral convinced that they will meet up with evil forces, so of course they do!
Regards,
Douglas
Gandalf: I too once thought that my SP attacks were because of an evil entity (when I didn't really know anything about SP). I've come to realise now that it's not the case, and that it's probably my own messed up mind that's creating these terrifying 'things' (whatever they may be).
But... can't a sufferer of SP be attacked by a neg? Sometimes I think, in my case, it's true. But I mostly play it off as 'I want an excuse for this damn pain'. Soooo, I'm not sure. I think some (rare) SP 'victims' may well be 'attacked' by an entity.
Hello Gandalf-
Your quote: I think this is a major problem though, because people mistake fear projections as evil entities (I did at first) and this has gone on to fuel the whole 'neg' belief system that plagues everyone on the Psychic self defence forum - those people are convinced they are under attack from negs and this goes on to fuel their belief
In this case you probably are right & the experience is probably a a projection of fear. They can try your suggestion and see if it works.
I must comment on your your comments about "neg" belief system plaguing the PSD forum." Have you read Robert's PPSD? :)) I, myself have not been to Australia. I have not met surfers there or been attacked by a sharks. I do realize that Australia and shark attacks exist whether or not I have experienced them myself. Would I tell someone who says they've been attacked by one --well, you must of just swam too close to a reef, because 'I' have snorkeled & I've seen the reefs therefore anyone who claims a shark attack either was just scratched by a reef, their deluded or they drew it to them. This is such a common reaction & I think it is a way for people to maintain a distance & false sense of security.
I have learned by hearing accounts by others that shark attacks are fairly rare & what to do to avoid them and importantly, how to fend off an attack should I find myself in one. This for me is extremely valuable. If I would have known what I know now I, personally would not have experienced a negative entity. Ignorance is not always bliss. When it happened to me I was shocked and could not understand why I was not forewarned or protected by the Powers that be. After whining for a few yrs to the "Powers that Be" about it --I finally understand now that in Spiritual growth we are expected to face different spiritual trials on our journey. "God helps those that help themselves" applies here. We can call on help & support from others but there are certain passages that we alone need to go through. We all are getting the same education , we are just taking the required courses in a different order. I am now much wiser & stronger than I was prior to my experience. I am not claiming to be wise just wiser than I was...I am a complete Spiritual infant.
Certainly, not all psychic experiences are evidence of psychic attack by an entity but that does not mean that they do not happen. The fact that we can project our fears is very true & a great point that you make based upon your own experiences. However, telling someone who might truly be experiencing this phenomena that it is ONLY their fear they are projecting or taking a scoffing tone is not helpful & not supportive.
Essentially this is telling people I don't believe you & don't believe yourself and don't trust your own experience, perceptions and intuition which is absolutely necessary to guide them safely through difficult Spiritual Trials.
If you've read any of Robert's material on it...there is a definite scale of types of encounters/attacks from very mild to EXTREME. The SEVERE & I'm talking SEVERE attacks and mental strife go hand in hand. The best people can do who have no experience with these things is to be non-judgemental/neutral with it then & direct others to people that can help them to sift through their situations--like the expert & caring moderators on this site.
Celeste
I think that was a really good analogy Celeste. I had posted something trying to state the same type of idea; but i couldnt think of a good analogy or way to put it.
Its very true, I have had fear projections too but my experience doesnt mean there are no real entities out there. Its kinda like a person hallucinates and sees snakes while hallucinating. Then later finds out they were just hallucinating, and figure out why they were hallucinating. So they come up with the conclusion there are no such thing as snakes due to their experience.
I liked the shark thing though.
Hi,
I'm new to this site but have been projecting for many years and almost every single time I have done so I have experienced sleep paralasis. From my personal experience (not from something I read), the paralysis gooes away as soon as you realize you can move. It's not your physical body but your astral. And I also don't think that it leads to being attacked by negative entities.
Onelove
Here is my 2 cents.
Sleep paralysis is the state In between the waking and the Mind split. If you are in SP and you want to project, all you have to do is relax even more, you will feel your feeling come back, BUT it will not be your real body. It will be your astral body comming into awarness.
I still have the touble of trying to create the mind split before i become aware of my sleep state. I have come to the realization that the "Breathing problems" some people have are caused by the fact that they are falling sleep and are aware of the slowed breathing induced by sleep.(i will post more as i come accross information)
--ICWiz
Apperently, you can induce sleep paralysis, if you sleep face up:
Sleeping position: It has been long suspected, and frequently reported, that lying in the supine (face-up) position seems to be associated with sleep paralysis. In our own work we have found that lying in the supine position is five times more likely during sleep paralysis that it is during normal sleep. If one is trying to avoid sleep paralysis then avoiding the supine position is strongly advised. For people who normally sleep in this position changing may prove difficult. However, sleeping on one's back appears to be relative rarely in our international samples, with only 10%-15% of people reporting that they normally sleep in this position. Since, about 60% of sleep paralysis episodes are reported to occur in the supine position obviously many people who are experiencing sleep paralysis are in, for them, an unusual position. The effect of sleeping position is quite evident in the following figure. The supine position is among the least frequent positions during normal sleep whereas it is clearly the most common position. It is also evident, however, that sleep paralysis may occur in any position for some people (Labeled 'Variable' in the Figure). There are also a few people who appear to have sleep paralysis preferentially in on of the other positions. Nonetheless, a number of respondents, after following our suggestion to try to avoid sleeping in the supine position, have indicated that sleep paralysis episodes have declined or ceased
--ICWiz
Look, SP is a totaly natural state wich we all have during our night or day time sleep. It is to prevent movement during sleep when we are dreaming, so that we wont hurt our selves in the physical world. It is a bodily function wich is initiated every time while we are going into the dream or OBE-state.
The reason why people relate it OBE's is because of the awareness that you usually have during and after an OBE, and that the SP often dont necessarily stop after OBE since that the body could still be asleep. I have experineced it a few times and it can be quite unpleasant, if you're not used to it.
But its right that if you consentrate on small limbs like your toes and try to wiggle them, you sould be able to break it off. You just have to let your body know that you are awake. (Its wierd but its just one of our primitive bodlily functions.)[:)]
hi all,
im new here but i was wonderin wut is the best way to induce sleep paralysis... all help is appreciated
hehe... nice :-) if u really want to, then have an alarm clock to wake you up long before u are supose to wake up. In the weekends. hmm... Im actually THINKING here... but I think the best way would be a wake-up, followed by a back to sleep mode wich again would make it easy for a OBE to occur, then again.... multiple sleep/awakenings cycles would be the recipe,its hard to make, 1 sure end to your means..... Never had sleep-paralisis after a normal "dream" or sleep, but I know a familly member who has.... poor girl. She was terrified by the experience.... I didnt even dare to ask her, if she had had an OBE, but then again I've allready told my familly about my stuff.... what a good laugh they had.... sure they would'nt be lauging if they woke up whitout their limbs working, not to say having to shoot out of this world.... I laugh however over the sick fact that Im here.... THIS is real---- and no doctor know what the hell Im talking about.... forget sleep-paralazis. What happens to me is scary enough.
SP is a bodily induced chemical protection against dream-induced involoutary movement. If you see "bad" entities surrounding you in that state you are probably having a nightmare or are actually taken advantage of by negs, or at worst getting owned by alien obductioneres...
Most likely is the case wher you are in the aftermath of an OBE... (coz this happen often, after?)
Secondly, you could be under the attack of a NEG (Negative creature who will draw your fear-energy to its and others own advantage (wich is more rare and is easy to fight of by just being cocky.... and badass)
Thirdly and most rare of them all is it being generated by aliens..... They will take you aboard a ship and do traumtic sh** to you like taking your spearm/uterous or/and showing their ugly face.... They will most likely make you forget the ordeal, but remenants of it will still be noticable.
I got triangular marks across my kneecaps, but NO memmory of any obductions.... Seeing the face of a "grey" makes me jump everytime though....
Should ---I--- be concerned? Probably psoriasis......but still.... HELP!!!!!
Most of my self induced Etheric projections (real time) have been from the sleep paralysis state.... and my sleep paralysis episodes were mostly all spontaneous. When I was younger I was terrified of SP! But when I learned what it was and that everyone experiences it every night (also called REM ATONIA) most people just normally do not wake up consciously during it. - once I realized it was not harmul I learned to use it to OBE but the first time i used it for OBE, I didn't know that was what was going to happen. That first time, I was still terrified, but I essentially 'gave up' and gave in to what I thought was my fate.... what that fate was I didnt know... but I just knew that fighting was not going to work. Once I realized that I had an OBE afterward, thats when I started to research sleep paralysis and larned it was not harmful at all. So then I started using it every chance I got, to induce OBEs.
I have also induced sleep paralysis as well... usually when I wake early in the morning, and then go back to bed while its still dark out. I used progressive relaxation, and gave myself a 'suggestion' at the exact moment I felt sleep taking over. Sometimes I would find myself right in a full OBE, others I would wake in sleep paralysis. But maybe because my REM system is a bit messed up anyway, I was able to do that... I don't know.
Sleep Paralysis IS scarey.... but it is NOT harmful, and usually lasts mere seconds (although they can seem much longer!) And SP CAN be used to induce lucid dreams and OBEs.... so I don't see any harm in it, if people can find a way to induce the sleep paralysis state. It will not hurt them. It's just basically becoming consciously awake during a normal part of REM sleep.
so how do you induce the paralysis state that's not SP?