I'm losing hope -_-

[SpectralDragon]

Yes!! THATS Who it was!! Cube! I'll read both of those and will prob. contact you on MSN, Aim, Yahoo, ect. Thanks for those links, Spectral.

While I have all of those I prefer using yahoo. See you soon, oh and one more thing.

When projecting it's not so much clearing your thoughts and expectations as it is expanding the concsiousness. more on that when we chat.

[Kiba]

Alright, Yahoo it is then, doesn't matter to me. (Thank god for Trillian )

[redcatherine]

Alright, I'm starting to lose hope. I've been trying to project for 3(maybe 4) years now. I know sometimes it takes this long but I've done everything right, I've kept calm, keep focused, didn't expect to do it, etc. I've tried so many methods and only had some real progress with one (it was posted here on the old forums, don't remember who wrote it). I need a method bad, something basically simple. Please help. Thanks, Kiba

Meditation and clairvoyance are 2 prerequisite skills to AP :

I suggest you start in a group .The energy is higher in a group making it much easier to project. Once you learn,  you can continue alone if you wish or work concurrently alone, in an open circle,and in a closed circle .

Group work also allows you to see and hear more of the OBE . The  guides and angels of others in the group work together as a team making  it easier for newbies to get the energy up to slip out for OBE. Find a group near you thru a spiritual church .

Or make a group of your own  to meet in a home . Choose only those that can prove they are already clairvoyant and that you can get along with. Sit weekly for an hour . 7 : 30 pm is a good time to meet . 5 to 12 people is a good group . Here is a link on how to form a development circle :
http://www.isd-dc.org/ISD-Wash/EDUCATION/CONTENT%20Development%20Circles.htm

1. sit in an arm chair ...a comfortable one
2. arms and legs uncrossed
3. palms up and barefoot
4. close your eyes
5. take three deep slow cleansing audible breaths
(down to your toes and out take your time then begin to breathe normally - breathe in light love breathe out negativity )
6.  sit in the power of the now
7 . bring your awareness to your third eye
(sit as a spirit in a room behind your forehead )
8. now bring your attention (with eyes closed still) to the ceiling and
think of floating up to the ceiling and do it .

Don't say you can't ...just do it .

I have taught many people this way . I have  seen so many doubters learn to do it in the first  session . You can see them come out clairvoyantly so you know whether they made it or not . If they can  do it so can you  .

Problems for first time projectors include :
a. coming right back to the body by opening eyes or by looking back at yourself sitting there
b.not knowing they are out and feeling and seeing nothing but the back of the eyelids
c. not having prerequisite skills to meditate or see clairvoyantly
d. falling asleep even sitting up so losing recall

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[clandestino]

Hi Red Catherine !

I'm not sure that I agree with you when you say :

Meditation and clairvoyance are 2 prerequisite skills to AP

Whilst individuals with clairvoyance may (and may not) experience more AP success than your average Joe, I'm not sure that this means it is a pre-requisite.

Having said that, I am not clairvoyant & my recent "Out of Body" attempts haven't been successful....so maybe you are right !  

[redcatherine]

Hi Red Catherine !

I'm not sure that I agree with you when you say :

Meditation and clairvoyance are 2 prerequisite skills to AP

Whilst individuals with clairvoyance may (and may not) experience more AP success than your average Joe, I'm not sure that this means it is a pre-requisite.

Having said that, I am not clairvoyant & my recent "Out of Body" attempts haven't been successful....so maybe you are right !  

nah mate you are right   and I stand corrected ...I should have said that meditation and clairvoyance should be considered prerequisite skills  but we can always attempt AP without them . And maybe we will be successful ..... hmmmm

If we can walk in a dark room ....or stroll when we are blind , then surely humans can project and not see clairvoyantly yet . Perhaps there are humans who project open eyed and use only  the physical eyes  to see in spirit .

I have a mate who is trying this . I will let you know how he gets on . He trances open eyed and channels open eyed and well before this thread he had set out to determine how much of the spiritual realm he could see with eyes wide open . So far he has to go open and closed and slip in and out of the realm this itself is hard enough . In fact he regularly teases me to open my eyes saying when I go to the shop do I try to buy without looking at the labels on the cans ? Can I feel which can I want ? ...hmmm I love a valid well constructed argument but he hasn't made it yet as I see in 3D colour with eyes closed and he sees like silver auric outlines without colour .So of course we have friendly debates on this one .

And surely we all can project without being able to meditate when we are children we are taken to astral by angels and guides . But can we consciously project when and where we choose and not be able to meditate yet ? I don't  think so .  I am not sure if it happens . But although there is a predictable continuum of human spiritual development , there always will be those exceptions to the rule .

Thanks  for that reflection . Rethinks are good mind candy too  

[Kiba]

I've been meditating longer then i've been trying to AP =-P. However, clairvoyance is once thing that I haven't done. Maybe I should one of these days. Thanks for teh advice

[redcatherine]

I've been meditating longer then i've been trying to AP =-P. However, clairvoyance is once thing that I haven't done. Maybe I should one of these days. Thanks for the advice

Well developing clairvoyance is not difficult either . All humans can do this . I work now in the real world as a teacher of multiple challenge students . It still amazes me how my students project themselves to my circle in my home . They have never been to my house in real life they just rock up and smile at my circle . And a member of circle will say do you have a girl with black curly hair and glasses that wears special gloves on her hands . I never get over this ?? Yeah there she is and then everyone looks and sees this kid floating there in a lotus  bizarre . My students can not speak or walk in this world they are profoundly cognitively impaired but the higher self is always perfect . If a blind child of 12 years with spina bifida that is wheel chair bound in nappies can project a full apparition to my lounge room when she wants to mate then you can do it too .

Again the energy in a circle is higher and it is easier to see and to hear spirit within a development circle . We can also confirm each other experiences and this helps tremendously .  Most spiritual churches have a free open one that anyone can drop into once a week . The circle opens in prayer , has a meditation then some clairvoyant exercise and/or a psychic exercise and then closes in prayer . The teacher leads the lesson there is usually meditation music and a guided meditation .

When students become good enough they can be invited into closed circles where  5 to 12 members sit in the same chairs at the same time each week . This is like making an appointment with your guides and angels and welcoming the specialists in .Then there is no music and the lesson is provided by the teacher in spirit who rocks up . They have a sequential syllabus with lesson plans according to our abilities ,our questions, our topics of interest and our particular path .  

Beyond our own guides and angels there are master teachers in spirit who teach across the world called chohans or mahatma . They are the ones that rock up when we sit at a higher vibration level of energy and we can all get there . They don't charge a fee and they do show up in all languages and curltures right round the world . We communicate clairvoyantly until we develop clairaudience and then channeling .

Then there are gatekeeper and doorkeeper angels that work in pairs to protect and assist the closed circles . Usually the alpha male angel of the group becomes the gate keeper and can be seen at the top of the circle above the roof clairvoyantly shifting  the energy deosil to close  the vortex of passage after the members of the circle have projected . The doorkeeper is often female and she opens the door to other realms with a widdershins sweep of her hands  . so we project she opens we leave he closes . To have the higher energy angels working in pairs to assist us we have to have group dynamics . We have to have blended our energies from our own subtle bodies to reach a vibratory level that warrants such assistance . And it is early in the path .

The development of the circle helps each member to move along this way . The higher the energy of our mates the easier it is for us to feel see hear . And the more we feel see hear the higher the energy of our subtle bodies vibrations so that we can go go longer see more and recall more . This allows the time and energy it requires to see the teachers learn the lessons and bring it back to conscious recall and move on .

Once we develop sufficiently we can manifest a group merkaba and travel to spiritual realms together so that we clairvoyantly see in unison . You can see the higher self of your mates in circle or see the real time projections of them there on the realm . So that if you project and a mate is away , absent , the higher self is usually the form we see looking so much younger fitter and noble lol . But if the physical body is in the circle then we see projection wearing clothes like they are in that day with all the fat from middleaged bodies just hanging there too lol .

The importance then of group work is to sustain the higher energy and to develop more quickly and to reach the higher levels necessary to eventually manifest your own vortex and travel to realms alone to explore see and hear the messages of those we meet in the realms . It is exciting to speak to live projectors and hear them it can happen .

At our level now we do not use telepathy to each other much we dont send images of what we see and hear to each other I mean . We need to get there .  We do get the stimulus from the room and from the teachers and then we give it off . This means we have to slip in and out or better yet trance and give it off . So we are sitting ,  we project into the vortex together we say what we see and hear and feel to the group the others respond if they can to confirm and build up the experience . Then we travel along see and hear and give off again . We explore for about an hour 3 times a week . What happens after the AP , OBE , Merkaba , Group Merkaba , Vortex , I dunno  

For example my circle is on a universal path of enlightenment and we celebrated the snake and dove initiations together and now we are on another level where we have manifested a metaphysical college in spirit and we have been assigned teaching roles . So we are learning how to teach dead and live students that come to our individual class each night .
You can't always tell who is alive and who is dead though we should be able to lol There are slack lazy students who lie on pillows and sleep as Jodi teaches psychic development and frenetic hyper students that seem like Chihuahuas on speed learning spiritual defense with Bill . And every one in between . We project through walls and backwards through floors it is fun to work as a ghost lol. We don't get paid . We don't get charged a fee either . It is the most exciting thing we have done in OBE so far . We had to manifest our own ashram ,that was cool, this is better .

Do I think it is worthwhile to learn ? Mate I cannot think of anything on this earth that I have enjoyed more than this cerebrally speaking . It is the mind lollies . Get out there and do it .

We are all students and teachers of each we meet on the path .

[Xiatrix]

Greets,

My name is Alex...though you can call me whatever you please. Most choose to go with Xia. I'm a friend of Kiba's, and I've been working on projections about as long as he has...4 years roughly. I've had a few unintentional projections, though they were short and I'm not entirely sure they weren't dreams..I've tried countless methods, and had no luck at all with intentional projection. I'm really starting to wonder why I can't do this..I should've by now, without doubt...I believe I may be missing something, or overlooking something important to succeed. Either way, I'm starting to get discouraged.

Anyway...I don't know what to do next, and I hope to continue learning here. You all seem pretty helpful, and I think everyone here can help us learn to project intentionally.

--Xia

[redcatherine]

Greets,

My name is Alex...though you can call me whatever you please. Most choose to go with Xia. I'm a friend of Kiba's, and I've been working on projections about as long as he has...4 years roughly. I've had a few unintentional projections, though they were short and I'm not entirely sure they weren't dreams..I've tried countless methods, and had no luck at all with intentional projection. I'm really starting to wonder why I can't do this..I should've by now, without doubt...I believe I may be missing something, or overlooking something important to succeed. Either way, I'm starting to get discouraged.

Anyway...I don't know what to do next, and I hope to continue learning here. You all seem pretty helpful, and I think everyone here can help us learn to project intentionally.

--Xia

What to do next ? hmmmm

Have you tried a group development circle yet ?

also I suggest :
READ :
plan to spend some time
just after you wake before you eat anything
take a glass of water with you and read
this is the best time to absorb info
relaxed pull up a comfortable chair
at the computer with  a hassock under  your feet
sit uncrossed barefoot
no distractions in the quiet of the morning

1. search this forum :http://www.astralpulse.com/
use the search tool for
keywords astral projection techniques, out of body experiences, AP, OBE

2. Search on Google
using keywords astral projection techniques
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=astral+projection+techniques&meta=

2. Order a copy mate and read the AP bible
Robert Bruce 's Astral Dynamics :
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1571741437/104-7321178-6508762?v=glance
Practice energy body awareness from these techniques they are
the best I have seen on this planet lol . The energy body is what we use to perceive in spiritual realms don't neglect it .

3.check out new Mastering CD Set with Brian Mercer
http://www.astraldynamics.com/
I have not tried  this latest work yet looking forward to it .

and

PRACTICE
1.Please look at this site :
http://www.whiteoakdesign.com/timekillers/astral/index2.html
and then go to this page on that site :
http://www.whiteoakdesign.com/timekillers/astral/000_mainscreen.html
there are 30 techniques listed there click a link  and give it a go

there are so many methods
find the one for you
we are all the same
but
we are all different
both not either

I do not advocate lying in bed alone at the beginning of this process
when you are learning technique that is far too hard
for most to accomplish without falling asleep
try sitting in a group first
then sitting alone
then lying in your bed when you have the hang of it
bed is natural
and we all do project here with help from angels and guides
each night as a child
but there comes a time when they want us to do it ourselves
and when we also want to do it ourselves
we do

and when we can master projecting with recall
from the relaxed sleep state position
it is awesome
so do keep going
don't be satisfied ever
keep learning
eternal student and eternal teacher

this is what i teach newbies :

seek to join or form a closed circle of peers
open with a prayer of protection (ie White Light  )
sit in meditation in chairs in the closed circle at 730 pm once a week
eyes closed
palms up
feet bare
limbs uncrossed
3 deep cleansing breaths in your own time
then begin to breathe naturally
bring your consciousness to the third eye
see yourself as spirit
small and light as air
in this room of your consciousness
behind your forehead in the  third eye
dwell in the now and sense
watch the visions come and go
do not react or question
just silently observe
(after mastering this the meditative state
then skip the violet bit here
but do the same thing as above just adding  this next step below )
lift your self up from the body
visualise yourself rising up like smoke up to the ceiling .

I suggest looking
meet the others in the class on the roof
(don't look back to see self in chair btw or open eyes it brings you home to your body try those fun things later once you master the basics )
and follow the leader
then follow your heart when you go alone
then become the leader
when you learn it
share it
teach it
shine

it is much easier to accomplish projection in a group
once you master group projection
going it alone is easy

If you have that down
keep learning
there is always something new to learn
don't ever stop the journey
and become complacent

begin to travel on a group merkaba
it is faster and easier to see and hear then
after you have mastered that
try flying your own merkaba where you will

then open the vortex with your circle
then open it alone
this is as far as i know for now lol

if you are past that then help me to find the next step  lol

So go back to basics with your  AP efforts :

READ
SHARE: Teach and Learn right from the beginning dont wait to be expert
share on this forum , this worked , this did not , this helped ,
PRACTICE :[/list:u]
MEDITATE DAILY
PRACTICE ENERGY BODY AWARENESS
PRACTICE CLAIRVOYANCE
PRACTICE PROJECTION[/list:u]

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Love . Light and Laughter
Aunt Clair



even more :

http://www.crystalinks.com/astral.html
http://www.astralprojection.ws/phps/topics_techniques.php
http://www.jonasridgeway.com/tech1.html

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[Tayesin]

Hi Kiba and Xia,
You could try the simple and effective projection method I use with clients...  it works very well for the beginner or the old hand.

You can find it by clicking on the link below to my Geocities Home Pages, then click on the Spiritual link, then the one called White Light Method.

Try it every day for 30 days to see how it will work for you, and even modify it to suit yourself as you get better results with it.

Some members here are using it and report good results from their first attempts... don't be discouraged by slow growth if it happens that way, it just means more practice is required.

Good luck to you.

Love Always.