I still can't have any OBE

[Georgep]

Practice in the next week the perfection of the passive component. Try during it to focus on hypnagogics instead of the physical view.

What are hypnagogics? Can you give me an example? I couldn't find anything.

If your relaxation process needs too much time, try to count with this method (phase 2 or 3) till 40 before you begin with the other methods. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/a_new_and_interesting_relaxation_method-t36154.0.html

I don't really know how to use this method, but Ill try it. Basically, I do not know if I'm doing it in the correct way.

[proyect_outzone]

What are hypnagogics? Can you give me an example? I couldn't find anything.

You should read as next all basics about OBE. Without knowing the basics, you will NEVER have an OBE.

Basics are:

-what happens before a OBE
-When is the exit phase and how can you determine the right time

Without theoretical stuff can you try it for several months or years without any success. Knowing this two things is more important than the method, which you use.

Hypnagogic Images belong to the basics. These images are vieved already long time before falling asleep.

I don't really know how to use this method, but Ill try it. Basically, I do not know if I'm doing it in the correct way.

The use is explained there. A general explantation would end in another replic of this text.  If you don't understand something specific, ask me in this topic.

[Georgep]

Everything I try is a total failure. Everything. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I have been trying "phasing" the past days without success. What am I doing wrong?  

[Lionheart]

 It's probably because you have haven't read any of the tons of info that can be found on this site. I tell people over and over again, do not try to project from your bed and yet I still read about them falling asleep while trying to project from beds. We can help people to achieve success but you have to do what is said to you to get there. We have proven it works, now you just have to decide how bad you want it. Xanth made a PDF that has over a thousand posts answering hundreds of questions by a gentleman named Frank Kepple. Yes it takes time to read it, but it pays off in the end. Some people come here and expect instant success, others have been attempting projection for years and are still at it. You will be successful when you finally choose/will yourself to be. It's that easy. When you get vibrations/hypnogogs ignore them, you must have the mindset that I am in it as far as it takes . Bob Monroe talks about having a fear of death when he first attempted, he says the way he got over it was with the mindset that if it happens and he dies, so be it. That is the only way to succeed here, you have to be willing to risk all, but then after you do this once and see you are still alive everything gets easier.
Good Luck .

[Xanth]

Yes, that's probably the best point to make.

You *will* need to learn to be patient.  Especially if you're the kind of person with a very active mind that is hard to "keep quiet"... because that will work against you.

You need to learn to meditate.  You need to learn to shut off your mind... and what you're posting kind of shows the exact opposite. 

[Shivers]

Everything I try is a total failure. Everything. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I have been trying "phasing" the past days without success. What am I doing wrong?  

Hey George,  Sometimes I think that astral travel comes and goes.  For reasons unknown, I feel as though the soul/consciousness(or whatever you wish to name it) takes time to gather it's energy.  The fact that you've already had some experience with this shows that you are capable of achieving an Obe.

Personal note-lately my experiences have been quite dull/non-existant and I'm suspecting that maybe I need to recoup energy or that subconsciously I need a break from it, now matter how hard I try to have an Obe.  I've had Obe's for many years, but conscious phasing is very, very hard.  I can't Obe when trying to consciously phase or try too hard.

In the end just concentrate(or not concentrate ) on meditation/relaxation and say to yourself, if it happens, that's good.  But if nothing happens, don't beat yourself up over it.

[Xanth]

Hey George,  Sometimes I think that astral travel comes and goes.  For reasons unknown, I feel as though the soul/consciousness(or whatever you wish to name it) takes time to gather it's energy.  The fact that you've already had some experience with this shows that you are capable of achieving an Obe.

Personal note-lately my experiences have been quite dull/non-existant and I'm suspecting that maybe I need to recoup energy or that subconsciously I need a break from it, now matter how hard I try to have an Obe.  I've had Obe's for many years, but conscious phasing is very, very hard.  I can't Obe when trying to consciously phase or try too hard.

In the end just concentrate(or not concentrate ) on meditation/relaxation and say to yourself, if it happens, that's good.  But if nothing happens, don't beat yourself up over it.

Bah!  I don't believe projection has anything to do with your energy level... your block COULD be subconscious, but only you have the power to break that then.

Astral Projection has everything to do with discipline and focus.  That's it. 

[Shivers]

Do you think Xanth?
I find the more I try to have an Obe, the more elusive it becomes, but you're the one who's experienced here so you must be right-it must be a subconscious thing.

[Xanth]

Do you think Xanth?
I find the more I try to have an Obe, the more elusive it becomes, but you're the one who's experienced here so you must be right-it must be a subconscious thing.

I know you deleted your account and all... but I hope you read this.

Some people run into this particular problem and they attribute it to what you just did without really thinking about what's going on in their life at that particular time or how quickly and effectively they can "focus their mind".  The easy solution is that "the more I do it the less I'm able"... then in reality, to me, that sounds like a cop-out answer for a lack of discipline and focus.

And I'm definitely no pro at this. 
In the end, you should always use your own judgment calls and don't trust anything anyone says regarding YOUR experiences. 

[Georgep]

I need to recoup energy

I think that I will agree with this. As I can see from my experience, I can only get to state of vibrations only if I have, for example, a week to try to OBE.

Also, I am not afraid of "death" or any other thing that it may "distract" me from achieving an OBE. I don't know what it's wrong with me, but I need to find out what I do wrong. 

[Lionheart]

 How do you know if you are afraid of death or not, have you ever been tested? Let's say you get past the vibrations to the next level which can sometimes feel like your head is going to explode or you are having a brain aneurysm, will you just work through it? This is why a lot of practice is a must, putting a timeline of a week or so into this and expecting results is just being stubborn. Practice, practice, practice brings success. Read Frank's entire PDF,  watch videos pertaining to Astral Travel and "entrain" your mind to succeed.

[Xanth]

Lionheart is bang on.

This isn't something you "try" for a "week".
This is something that should become a lifelong journey for you and will take however long it takes for you to learn. 

This is about "MASTERING" yourself.  If people think they're going to master themselves in a week, they're sadly mistaken.

Again, this is a LIFELONG venture you're perusing in an effort to learn more about yourself.

[Xanth]

I feel this post I made on my website a while back is relevant. 

I just started to read William Buhlman's book, "Adventures Beyond The Body", and I wanted to share a passage in it which illustrates beautifully why one needs to learn to control their thoughts and keep a focused, goal-oriented mind, when astral projecting.

Buhlman writes:

    "Each experience increased my realization that my nonphysical state of consciousness was extremely sensitive and responsive to the slightest thought. My prevailing conscious and subconscious thoughts would instantly propel me in a specific direction. I quickly learned that my subconscious mind exerts much more influence and control over my actions than I ever imagined. Often, a completely spontaneous thought would create an immediate reaction. For example, if I thought about flying, which I often did, I would immediately fly through the ceiling or wall and glide over my neighborhood."

This is probably the best paragraph I've ever read that shows perfectly why we need complete control.

This is what I believe to be the cause behind the experience which some people refer to as the "Astral Wind".  Whereby you'll be in one location, then some kind of wind or supposed "pushing" effect will happen upon you, where you'll end up somewhere else unknowingly.  Well, this is why.

People don't realize it and they try to externalize the sensation, which will cause it to appear as something external, such as a "wind" that uncontrollably blows you elsewhere.

http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/09/13/why-you-need-to-control-your-thoughts/

This is what we learn to do through meditation.

[Lionheart]

 That "wind" definitely blows when I Phase, lol. A lot of times I will get blown all over the multiverse, control is really hard to master. That's why a ton of practice is needed. Getting there seems like the easy part, mastering direction is another thing.

[Georgep]

I know I became annoying, but I don't know what else to try. I am trying to OOBE everyday, but I only find myself standing there trying without any success. I read Xanth's ebook. I searched the web for more informations on how to induce an OOBE. But I can't do it. I can't even come to vibrations now. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. What you would do if you were me?

[Rudolph]

I don't know what I'm doing wrong. What you would do if you were me?

Have you tried the OBE4U.com free eBook?

Only try in the morning as soon as you wake up. Or 4am after about 6 hours sleep. Any other time is an exercise in frustration for most beginners.

Focus strong effort on weekend mornings when you can stay in bed an extra long time. Take a break after that -- maybe try again on Wednesday.... Do not try every single day unless you are getting some success every single day. Take a break now and then. Focus on meditation on OBE-days-off.

Good luck!

[Xanth]

I know I became annoying, but I don't know what else to try. I am trying to OOBE everyday, but I only find myself standing there trying without any success. I read Xanth's ebook. I searched the web for more informations on how to induce an OOBE. But I can't do it. I can't even come to vibrations now. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. What you would do if you were me?

You're impatient.  That much is clear.  You need to slow down a bit. 
Work on meditation first.  Build yourself the foundation you require to make this a lifelong venture.

Start with this short video:  http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2011/08/16/how-to-meditate-tom-campbell/
Then read this post: http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2011/08/22/another-meditation-gem-from-the-mind-of-tom-campbell/
And note the first paragraph of it:

You need to learn to meditate consistently first before trying more complex things, no wonder you are frustrated. Some how we have to calm that mind down or figure out a way to keep it occupied with non-operational non analytical fluff.

[Georgep]

Thanks again for your help! 

I, maybe, have to relax. Ill give it a break. As I can see, I only have some success if I don't try it every day and when I take breaks. Thanks again. I'll post again soon with my success. I hope I'll have some. 

[Xanth]

Stick with the meditation and I'm sure you'll be successful.
There's never any reason to give it a break.

Also, I've found over the years that everything stems from Meditation.  Once you get really good at existing in that "Point Consciousness" state (aka void), you'll find it very easy to project yourself to anywhere you want... as you'll have disconnected yourself from this reality entirely. 

[Georgep]

Hello again!
I don't know what else to do. I think that I have tried everything you told me.

I am going to tell you what i'm doing when i'm trying to astral project, so, you can maybe tell me what I am doing wrong.
When I am trying to astral project, I just lay on my bed and try to meditate. I am trying to relax all of my body. After some time, I feel that my body is numb. Sometimes, for example, if my fingers the time that I layed down were like a punch, I feel them like they are "free". I can't describe this 100%. I feel them that they are not like a punch now. That's the best I can do while I meditate. Some other times I start to dream -like day-dreaming- and suddenly I ''go back'' to my body and tell myself "I was dreaming now?". I think that I am a bit confused now. Sometimes I am trying to phase (I just try to see the blackness of my eyes) and some others I am just staying "there" doing nothing, not even thinking, but I can't reach the vibrational state or any other thing.

Can you please, tell me a.... program I can follow when I am meditating?

Thanks!  

[Xanth]

Hello again!
I don't know what else to do. I think that I have tried everything you told me.

In nine days?

Try it for nine MONTHS first.  Then claim it doesn't work for you.

That's what I mean by you're impatient.  You're probably going to be on this Earth for *MANY MANY* years... enjoy the time. 

I am going to tell you what i'm doing when i'm trying to astral project, so, you can maybe tell me what I am doing wrong.
When I am trying to astral project, I just lay on my bed and try to meditate. I am trying to relax all of my body. After some time, I feel that my body is numb. Sometimes, for example, if my fingers the time that I layed down were like a punch, I feel them like they are "free". I can't describe this 100%. I feel them that they are not like a punch now. That's the best I can do while I meditate. Some other times I start to dream -like day-dreaming- and suddenly I ''go back'' to my body and tell myself "I was dreaming now?". I think that I am a bit confused now. Sometimes I am trying to phase (I just try to see the blackness of my eyes) and some others I am just staying "there" doing nothing, not even thinking, but I can't reach the vibrational state or any other thing.

Can you please, tell me a.... program I can follow when I am meditating?

Thanks!  

Meditation.

I just posted a new series of videos on my site about Meditation... you might enjoy listening to them.
http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2012/02/19/adyashanti-true-meditation-series/

[Georgep]

Thank you Xanth. 

I just don't know if I am doing it right. That's why I am "impatient". 

[Xanth]

And you're probably asking yourself that WHILE you're practicing.
Asking yourself this question is too analytical.  Just relax and allow the experience to happen.

Get rid of any expectations and assumptions you have regarding meditation. 

[Georgep]

And you're probably asking yourself that WHILE you're practicing.

That's right 

Thanks again Xanth 

[Georgep]

Wow, I just have had my first  lucid dream, but I am not sure. I woke up at around 4. I had been sleeping for 1 hour. At 3 I tried to OOBE, but I fall asleep. Then, at 4 I tried again. 15 minutes before now, the time I am posting this, I .... Was at another room in my house, with all the lights closed sitting in the chair and suddenly I saw a light from a flashlight and I thought off "it is my mom and she wants to see if I am sleeping". Then, in the dark I saw a head, probably it was... Me, as I can remember how it looked like, and was looking at me and I think that I've been scared and that's the reason I shout "mom, is that you?". Then, I woke up with all my body feeling pitching. Anything it may was, and as long as it may durate, it was perfect. Also, I want to tell that it was so real, that it was like I actually was there, I am not sure if I could.... think what to do, but it was so much real, that I could see colors. For example, I still remember the flashlight and I still now ask myself "Was it real? It was so... Alive".

I forgot to say that I was sleeping before I first saw me sitting on that chair. I didn't have any "exit" from my body, as I can remember, e.t.c. I just woke up there, in the darkness.

Also, another thing is that, I am not totally sure about it, I heard a voice when I woke up. I don't remember what it told me, I just remember I heard something. I am 98% that I heard that voice.