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Quote from: proyect_outzone on January 29, 2012, 12:18:20Practice in the next week the perfection of the passive component. Try during it to focus on hypnagogics instead of the physical view.
Quote from: proyect_outzone on January 29, 2012, 12:18:20If your relaxation process needs too much time, try to count with this method (phase 2 or 3) till 40 before you begin with the other methods. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/a_new_and_interesting_relaxation_method-t36154.0.html
QuoteWhat are hypnagogics? Can you give me an example? I couldn't find anything.
QuoteI don't really know how to use this method, but Ill try it. Basically, I do not know if I'm doing it in the correct way.
Quote from: Georgep on February 03, 2012, 18:01:48Everything I try is a total failure. Everything. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I have been trying "phasing" the past days without success. What am I doing wrong?
Quote from: Shivers on February 03, 2012, 23:02:44Hey George, Sometimes I think that astral travel comes and goes. For reasons unknown, I feel as though the soul/consciousness(or whatever you wish to name it) takes time to gather it's energy. The fact that you've already had some experience with this shows that you are capable of achieving an Obe.Personal note-lately my experiences have been quite dull/non-existant and I'm suspecting that maybe I need to recoup energy or that subconsciously I need a break from it, now matter how hard I try to have an Obe. I've had Obe's for many years, but conscious phasing is very, very hard. I can't Obe when trying to consciously phase or try too hard.In the end just concentrate(or not concentrate ) on meditation/relaxation and say to yourself, if it happens, that's good. But if nothing happens, don't beat yourself up over it.
Quote from: Shivers on February 04, 2012, 08:43:28Do you think Xanth?I find the more I try to have an Obe, the more elusive it becomes, but you're the one who's experienced here so you must be right-it must be a subconscious thing.
Quote from: Shivers on February 03, 2012, 23:02:44 I need to recoup energy
QuoteI just started to read William Buhlman's book, "Adventures Beyond The Body", and I wanted to share a passage in it which illustrates beautifully why one needs to learn to control their thoughts and keep a focused, goal-oriented mind, when astral projecting.Buhlman writes: "Each experience increased my realization that my nonphysical state of consciousness was extremely sensitive and responsive to the slightest thought. My prevailing conscious and subconscious thoughts would instantly propel me in a specific direction. I quickly learned that my subconscious mind exerts much more influence and control over my actions than I ever imagined. Often, a completely spontaneous thought would create an immediate reaction. For example, if I thought about flying, which I often did, I would immediately fly through the ceiling or wall and glide over my neighborhood."This is probably the best paragraph I've ever read that shows perfectly why we need complete control.This is what I believe to be the cause behind the experience which some people refer to as the "Astral Wind". Whereby you'll be in one location, then some kind of wind or supposed "pushing" effect will happen upon you, where you'll end up somewhere else unknowingly. Well, this is why.People don't realize it and they try to externalize the sensation, which will cause it to appear as something external, such as a "wind" that uncontrollably blows you elsewhere.
QuoteI don't know what I'm doing wrong. What you would do if you were me?
Quote from: Georgep on February 10, 2012, 06:44:17I know I became annoying, but I don't know what else to try. I am trying to OOBE everyday, but I only find myself standing there trying without any success. I read Xanth's ebook. I searched the web for more informations on how to induce an OOBE. But I can't do it. I can't even come to vibrations now. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. What you would do if you were me?
QuoteYou need to learn to meditate consistently first before trying more complex things, no wonder you are frustrated. Some how we have to calm that mind down or figure out a way to keep it occupied with non-operational non analytical fluff.
Quote from: Georgep on February 19, 2012, 10:51:25Hello again!I don't know what else to do. I think that I have tried everything you told me.
QuoteI am going to tell you what i'm doing when i'm trying to astral project, so, you can maybe tell me what I am doing wrong.When I am trying to astral project, I just lay on my bed and try to meditate. I am trying to relax all of my body. After some time, I feel that my body is numb. Sometimes, for example, if my fingers the time that I layed down were like a punch, I feel them like they are "free". I can't describe this 100%. I feel them that they are not like a punch now. That's the best I can do while I meditate. Some other times I start to dream -like day-dreaming- and suddenly I ''go back'' to my body and tell myself "I was dreaming now?". I think that I am a bit confused now. Sometimes I am trying to phase (I just try to see the blackness of my eyes) and some others I am just staying "there" doing nothing, not even thinking, but I can't reach the vibrational state or any other thing.Can you please, tell me a.... program I can follow when I am meditating?Thanks!
Quote from: Xanth on February 19, 2012, 16:18:11And you're probably asking yourself that WHILE you're practicing.