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Quote from: Xanth on February 25, 2019, 12:06:33Think about what you're saying here...When you're ALREADY SLEEPING and ALREADY IN REM, you experience lucid dreams.And when you're NOT ALREADY SLEEPING and NOT ALREADY IN REM, you experience obes.Think about those two statements for a second. They don't mean what you think they mean. They don't mean that lucid dreaming only happens in REM and obes happen only outside REM.This is the MAJOR issue with these inaccurate labels people have been using... they've caused people to stop thinking critically.
Quote from: Windwalker. on February 26, 2019, 05:23:15Ok Xanth. When DO lucid dreams happen if not in rem sleep? Also-i didnt say all obes happen in non rem rather I said "many" obes happen in non rem.
Quote from: luffy28 on March 03, 2019, 16:28:19Hi,Last night I set my alarm to awaken me after two and a half hours. The alarm didn't awaken me and I ended up awakening after 4 hours. I did the SSILD technique and was partially lucid in a dream. I ended up talking to a dream character and the dream then ended. I also recalled 5 or 6 dreams and had subsequent awakenings. Any advice on how to obe with the SSILD technique? https://www.thelucidguide.com/Techniques/Senses-Initiated-Lucid-Dream-(SSILD)Thanks.
Quote"Theory We do not know why exactly SSILD works. One user pointed out that the method shares some resemblance with the self-hypnosis method introduced by Betty Erickson, wife of the late Dr. Milton H. Erickson. Another theory is that by repeated stimulation of the various senses in a trance-like state, we incubate our mind and body into the right condition suited for entering a DILD, WILD, or OBE. Regardless the theory, it is utterly crucial to keep in mind that SSILD is not strictly a WILD technique. While many users report successful LD/OBE induction from the waking state, this method is equally effective at inducing DILDs. In fact, I strongly suggest users treat it solely as a DILD technique in order to use it in the most effective manner."
Quote from: Yodad on March 04, 2019, 17:56:57Seems like it all depends on HOW you use the technique, or what you try after the lucid dream ends. SSILD was designed in a way for people to do the cycles very casually, then simply go to sleep. That's exactly what CosmicIron suggests. However, some people may attempt to LD/OBE directly from waking state while performing the cycles. The other option is to attempt some (Raduga) phasing indirect method after the lucid dream ends. Cosmic.Iron gives some insight how people may have had these. Here is part of his initial post on SSILD...In case you didn't know, a DILD is basically when you are dreaming and then become lucid while dreaming (dream induced lucid dream). However, I put in bold the part where he mentions that some individuals simply change how they perform the technique and keep mind awake, body asleep can induce OBEs.
Quote from: luffy28 on March 04, 2019, 19:38:32Thanks,I'm going to try the Raduga technique instead. Could've done it last night because I had school canceled because of a snowstorm.Thanks.
Quote from: Phildan1 on March 08, 2019, 10:52:19You should invest months and years seeing constant results and stopping doing this get fast results thing. You will see it.Your first "sleep cycles" or rather the first NP experience chains you get from falling asleep each night, are containing all your mind noise mostly with a great chance so don't expect so much. Rather maybe from the second half of your sleep time. True for everything, even for being silent in your mind and trying out something like phasing or others. It is simply because you live up your crap each time you fall asleep as a beginner and you need to investigate the configuration about what and when to do. Don't rush like a busy spider here and there lol. If you try to know and do everything at once, it will be not so satisfying or you will lose interest quickly.
Quote from: luffy28 on March 11, 2019, 21:04:41I also got a reply on this forumhttps://www.forum.obe4u.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=22847#p22847the person said "Other option , different from the above, you can use the alarm which can shut down immediately by itself after ring. When you are waken by the alarm , apply the indirect method routine immediately. Try your best to stay motionless and do not open your eyes . If motion accidently happened, just try to do the cycling for 4 round."I don't know what they mean by "you can use the alarm which can shut down immediately by itself after ring"?Thanks.
Quote from: Yodad on March 12, 2019, 04:39:24He means an alarm app that makes an alarm sound then auto shuts off without you pushing anything on the phone to turn off. All I did was search the reddit LD sub because that question is asked a lot. Alarm Clock Xtreme by AVG Labs is suggested a lot for this purpose. You can program it to sound for X seconds and auto shut off it sounds like. I have iOS so I can't even endorse that app, just giving you one.
Quote from: luffy28 on March 12, 2019, 21:56:03Could you or anyone else interpret his comment and tell me how to do the Raduga technique with the alarm he recommended?Thanks.
Quote from: Yodad on March 13, 2019, 19:01:161. Program the app alarm to make the sound after 4-6 hrs of sleep (or, however many hours after falling asleep that works for YOU). Maybe do a test to find what sound and how long the sound plays before you go to bed.2. Also set the alarm to auto-shut off, so you don't have to move to turn it off.3. When it is bed time, set your alarm and go to bed.4. Sleep.5. During sleep, you will hear the alarm go off. Don't move! Keep eyes shut. The alarm should turn off automatically if you set it up right!6. Perform Raduga technique.7. Do same steps 1-6 for any days of the week you want to try.8. Do not change technique for at least 1-2 months.
Quote from: luffy28 on March 14, 2019, 00:26:42Which app can I use to do this technique? And also how do I set the app to turn off after a certain time?Thanks.
Quote from: Yodad on March 14, 2019, 04:36:16I gave you an app suggestion only 5 posts up! I feel I am being pranked! One more time dude, pay attention...Alarm Clock Xtreme (by avg labs)Download:https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alarmclock.xtreme.free&hl=en_USAnd here is there support page on how to use it:https://support.avg.com/SupportArticleView?l=en&urlName=AVG-Alarm-Clock-Xtreme-FAQ&q=Alarm+Clock+Xtreme+FAQs&supportType=homeYou want to set the alarm for auto-shutoff.
Quote from: luffy28 on March 14, 2019, 15:39:50Hi,I wanted to know if there are any other alarm apps? The reason being that the alarm clock isn't loud enough. Thanks.