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Quote from: Windwalker. on February 18, 2019, 21:25:58I have become lucid during a dream before but this is different then having vibrations and projecting. Lucid dreaming you become aware and already are in the dream body in the progressing dream. When you have vibrations you consciously experience going from the wake state from your physical body into the projecting body. You experience your "focus" go from the physical to the np. Yet the actual construct seems identical ie you can perform the same tasks from either. Also when I project it usually is in a close replica of my physical surroundings. Lucid dreaming is already in progress. This phenomenon has made me place much more value on dreams as far as their "reality" goes. If you experience something then it is "real" rather physical or obe. Most people dont believe dreams are "real." Good luck luffy. I know you try hard.
Quote from: luffy28 on February 20, 2019, 19:22:01Thanks,The reason I was asking is that I'm trying to do this technique and can't awaken after 4 to 5 hours of sleep to do the obe4u technique? Any advice? This is the technique I'm tryinghttps://www.thelucidguide.com/Techniques/Senses-Initiated-Lucid-Dream-(SSILD)Thanks.
Quote from: ForrestDean on February 21, 2019, 18:51:58There are so many. There are many sites with many techniques. Although projections of consciousness is a natural ability that we all have every night we go to sleep, for many people it is an extremely disciplined skill to have conscious projections of consciousness. In other words, fully aware and immersive conscious projection experiences that you remember upon awakening. For many people, it requires lots of practice, patience, and persistence. I have links to many websites that offer many different methods. For many people, it takes a bit of time to find the right method that works for them. And sometimes once the method is discovered, that method is not always consistent, and you quite often have to explore other methods. Some people hit it off immediately and have successful amazing projections, others may take days, weeks, months, and even years before having consistent successful projections. But it doesn't have to take that long. It just depends on your state of mind and your degree of intent.
Quote from: luffy28 on February 22, 2019, 17:38:51Thanks,I was also trying this technique https://obe4u.com/how-to-lucid-dream/ and every time I went to sleep for 4 to 6 hours I couldn't get back to sleep. Should I just try to sleep 2 to 3 hours instead? Thanks.
Quote from: ForrestDean on February 22, 2019, 19:23:36You could. Those are just suggested times for the average individual, but not everyone is the same of course. You have to really explore yourself and discover what works best for you.If you're having a hard time falling back to sleep you could try to just lay on your back with your hands to your side and don't move. Even if you have the urge to move, don't. This overwhelming urge to move or repositioning your body is your brain's signal testing if your body is asleep or not. By not moving you are signaling to your brain that your body is asleep. Sometimes this is a good method to induce sleep paralysis. Also, don't entertain or focus on the thoughts that flood your brain, but don't try to avoid them either. That can be just as worse as focusing on them and is still hard to fall back to sleep. Just let your thoughts flow naturally into and out of your brain without attaching to them. If you are still struggling with thoughts and emotions that are keeping you awake try focusing only on the ringing within your ears and your third eye at the same time. This can give you the sensation of 3D blackness, and you have better success at falling asleep. During this method, you will most likely start to see hypnogogic images. Keep focusing on the ringing in your ears and the hypnogogic imagery. The bonus to this is that your brain is actively focusing on just a couple things which is enough to cause your body to fall asleep but keeps your brain active enough to remain conscious - Mind awake, body asleep.These are just suggestions of course. There are tons more methods, but these are the ones I normally use, along with some others, to help induce projections of consciousness. Again, everyone is different, so you'll just have to play around with as many methods as you can until you find the right fit.
Quote from: luffy28 on February 22, 2019, 20:22:43Thanks,I really need to know how to awaken multiple times during sleep so I can try to do an obe / ld? Any advice? Thanks.
Quote from: ForrestDean on February 23, 2019, 01:09:16Have you tried the alarm clock method? lucidology.com has a Lucid Dream Timer.
Quote from: luffy28 on February 23, 2019, 23:02:11Can you tell me how to use it so I can have lucid dreams/obes?Thanks.
Quote from: Phildan1 on February 24, 2019, 14:09:22Luffy28, seriously, before falling asleep, say this to yourself a few times: I will be fully aware after falling asleep. Then fall asleep. Don't concentrate on anything, don't think. And you will be aware with practice and persistence after a while in the NP.
Quote from: Phildan1 on February 24, 2019, 18:43:55Don't over-complicate it. You wake up, if you can fall back to sleep, use this command thing as your focus of intent. If you can't fall back to sleep normally, stand up or sit up, do something, which grabs your attention, then continue with sleep. Not a hard thing to do. Just use what fits you when you can't fall back to sleep. For me, I tend to use my smartphone to read or listen to something by sitting up or use my tablet to play something. This is not a big task. What is, trying to get rid of hundreds or thousands of experiences of full awareness experiences.
Quote from: Windwalker. on February 20, 2019, 15:05:47Another difference is lucid dreaming obviously happens during REM sleep. Many obes dont happen during REM sleep which is really astonishing. How do they happen without REM?
Quote from: Rakkso on February 25, 2019, 06:53:58If you manage to wake while feeling the drowsiness, that's usually a sign that you are close to the point B, or next to entering a non-physical experience. I've been trying after 4 hours or more of time but I find it difficult to stay aware and I end up missing the exit. However if you endure the heavy foggy sensations of grogginess you may likely end up having an experience. You can then do a rehearsal, try to visualize your last experience, and slowly but surely, you affirm it in you mind and you forget about your body, and done.