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Quote from: Xanth on April 14, 2020, 00:50:37Dude... my god... first, we never spoke about controlling your thoughts, at all.and... secondly... *sigh*... never mind. You really do only hear what you want to hear. The only real thing I told you is that YOU THINK TOO MUCH. Just STOP EVERYTHING you're doing... you can't even help yourself and you're wanting to write a book on matters of spirituality?!Forget about writing books dude. Just MEDITATE. You're not going to grasp ANYTHING by over analyzing this stuff. Less is more.And please, if you're actually going to quote me... QUOTE ME... don't paraphrase. >_<
Quote from: Phildan1 on April 14, 2020, 13:31:50Plasma, did you learn something over the years being here? I mean you don't "need" to, not because of that. Everybody is learning something.Take it a little bit seriously, before Xanth boils up his head lol. You just need to silence your mind to let yourself to concentrate on other things. Focus of attention. Intelligence fails with over-analyzing things at one point so just try it at the being level. I know some people with this too much ego and intelligence and they are hopeless Maybe it comes from fear of the unknown, it depends on the person.I try to analyze things too and it is many times a big block. And other times it reveals the problem. It depends on the case.I'm only just observing the Pulse since a long while because of these pointless chats and dramas which people tend to write out, sharing their beliefs instead of learning more or opening up. Those fricking beliefs all the time, I wonder if anybody learns a thing that way. Literally, in the last years the Pulse started to be like a pithole of beliefs. It was that back then. I guess it all faded away when Frank and some others went away. I mean since that time, what is left is the information which anybody can extract from the forums. And the most are so lazy to do it. The other part is your own experiences, experiments and anything around.No debate here. But in my opinion building from beliefs won't give knowledge. Then go and believe in a religion! We should learn and educate ourselves. I know that some people will be hurt but I don't care Respect for the few exceptions.
Quote from: Batgirl on April 14, 2020, 18:45:51It happens everywhere on the planet and it is everywhere the same. One of my greatest teachers keeps on saying that everyone who is repeating/teaching something he or she has read or heard is lying. you can only tell the truth if you have experienced what you are talking about and then you can share your own experience and help others with it. she says this is the difference in between knowledge and wisdom. knowledge you get from books, but wisdom you live.it is like as if you would talk about all the theories you read about no-mind but never were in a no-mind state, then you don't know how it feels or what it does to you. trying to help someone to get there without having experienced it would be a lie then...Same with wanting to help a drug addict without never been an addict and so on.In my own experience I found this to be true.
Quote from: LightBeam on April 14, 2020, 19:30:03Now, when comes to creating a guide (book) it is best to come from the author's own experiences, rather than gathered info from different sources and putting things together according to own logic.
Quote from: Batgirl on April 14, 2020, 18:45:51It happens everywhere on the planet and it is everywhere the same. One of my greatest teachers keeps on saying that everyone who is repeating/teaching something he or she has read or heard is lying. you can only tell the truth if you have experienced what you are talking about and then you can share your own experience and help others with it.
Quote from: Nameless on April 15, 2020, 04:43:35Okay, getting straight to the one question you asked in your discussion title. While there may be some who can control or feel they can control their thinking I am not one of them. My thinker seems to have no shut off switch so in lei of that I have learned to hit the ignore or snooze button.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on April 14, 2020, 13:14:01You said "And stop thinking you have control over ANYTHING."It all starts in the mind anyway so yes if I can't control "ANYTHING" that includes thoughts.
Quote from: Xanth on April 17, 2020, 01:56:27You weren't asking about control in regards to thinking... you were asking about control in regards to your LIFE.There's a massive difference there. Clarity dude. It's important.Anyway... back to the regularly scheduled thread!
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on April 17, 2020, 16:09:53The word life was never mentioned in the facebook chat. I thought I was talking about "actions," "visualization," and "imagination". I guess "actions" could be considered "life". Anyway we can argue about semantics all day. I was going to ask - "What do you think of creativity?" But instead I came up with a much more thought provoking response. I feel like you and perhaps some others here have this idea that meditation will solve the world's problems. I use to have this idea too when I first started learning about meditation and astral projection. But I out grew this naive assumption after a while. First of all I think all the energetic, emotional, traumatic baggage that people gather while being on earth can with time in the afterlife easily pass away and fall off. Thus making meditation only really valuable to de-stresss, or if one reaches energetic salvation or Moksha, which very very few people reach, or perhaps it'd be philosophically, and analytically valuable. IMO certain types of concentration is what solves the worlds problems. I mean we look at all the advancement of human civilization with science, and the arts, it all came down to well placed concentration, and creativity, all of which use the mind. I feel like you don't even think creativity is good. Please correct me if I'm wrong. But IMO creativity is a work of the spirit. It's an almost magical process by which we can synthesize new ideas, technologies, things and liberate us from the mundane. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. LOL just kidding, but seriously I feel like I've almost outgrown my stay here, I mean I feel like I can't even have thought provoking creative, conversations here sometimes. Like I need someone to challenge me. I love constructive criticism with well thought responses. I know you'll probably say something like "I never said that meditation would solve the worlds problems." Prove me wrong. Maybe I'm misunderstand something, but if you can't even talk to me about some of the most basic spiritual ideas then how I find it hard to believe you'd give a much different answer for even marginally more complex questions about real world issues.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on April 17, 2020, 16:09:53I know you'll probably say something like "I never said that meditation would solve the worlds problems." Prove me wrong. Maybe I'm misunderstand something, but if you can't even talk to me about some of the most basic spiritual ideas then how I find it hard to believe you'd give a much different answer for even marginally more complex questions about real world issues.
Quote from: Xanth on April 21, 2020, 13:20:28Just meditate dude, just meditate.Your mind is too noisy to do anything.Nobody here can help you until you figure yourself out first.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on April 22, 2020, 05:17:18Most of the greatest discoveries that have come to humanity didn't come about by meditation. But rather by thinkers in the sciences and arts. I mean don't get me wrong. Meditation is great. Some people benefit from it more than others, but it's only one focus on all that is. You know I've seriously considered just sacrificing all my time into meditation if we get a UBI universal basic income. But until then I still need to work a job and pay the bills, write books, and discover new and better truths. Perhaps one day I will discover meditation as my best truth. But I'm not there yet, and that is perfectly fine IMO. I have made peace within myself without meditation being front and center.
Quote from: Xanth on April 23, 2020, 23:29:37DUDE!!I'm not telling you to go find a cave and sit there meditating for years on end... take 10 minutes a day. Think you can spare that?