Do medications and medicines interfere with astral projection?

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

First off it's been years since I seriously tried to astral project. I was absolutely determined at the time to astral project. But my health prevented me. I was doing the method where you go to sleep and wake up for a while then go back to bed and try to project. [EDIT: But it was too hard on my health to do in any real meaningful way at least then. My health has slightly improved. The main thing was trying to stay conscious while sleeping ended up lowering my sleep and my immune system.] I am chronically affected health wise. I don't want to really talk about it in detail. If any of you want or need to know then just PM me and I will share. Even though it as bad as it is, I still might be able to do it. I am not fully sure if I want to get into astral projection like I did years ago, but I definitely want to talk about it, and see what you guys think. I am way past the part of believing as most beginners seem to struggle with this.

I have only astral projected maybe 2 times when I was sick some years ago. They were short, but I've had lucid dreams before, but these seemed like they were not like lucid dreams. Though I can't say for sure. They were both very short. One was bright in a city the other in a dark place. And when I woke from the dark OBE I felt my spirit body enter by physical body. But they were so short.

I know you guys probably can't say for sure if my medicines will interfere with astral projection, but perhaps you guys have some insight. I take herbal, over the counter, and prescription medicines. Most of which help me sleep or help me deal with my tinnitus which is really bad. Though I will mention that I do get music in my head that keeps playing over and over almost all the time. The music usually changes to whatever I listen to recently. I mentioned this some where that I have really bad tinnitus.

The one thing I have been doing quite a bit of in cycles is meditation. I know how to unidentify with my surroundings and even my thoughts to a degree. I have felt what it's like to ride the mind on the breath. Quite awesome. I know what it's like to have all your awareness being one pointed. But I always give up, for a variety of reasons. I feel like I am slowly losing my mojo over the years for my own experimental spiritual experience. Sometimes it's for health. Sometimes just get bored of meditating. Sometimes this and that. I have always acted kind of bipolar, but I always come back to meditation, When I do meditate, I can meditate for hours a day sometimes. I love meditating many times with my eyes open. It keeps my mind aware, and alert. I also notice that when I meditate on the heart more often than not I will get dreams where I am really mad, or really sad about something. And once and a while, I think something is just so funny. I get terrible nightmares if I lower too many sleeping medicines.

I know that if I can astral project, then many more people can astral project than what I would have thought. I fear that my medicines would interfere too much with the bodies natural chemistry, and even if I do get a little success, but just a small change in medicines might affect future outcomes, thus making it predictable might be hard. So it would make it hard to find one good technique and stick with it perhaps. Among all my skepticism that I can't do it, I have some hope. My hope is that perhaps there is something that can work. The one thing I can do is meditate. And all the other things that people can do to help them project during the day. But that is not when it counts the most. That is all that I have to my advantage though. And if I can use that to teach myself to project then that would be great. I usually fully asleep while most people are talking about vibrations and all this stuff. I rarely get lucid dreams. And I rarely get any vibrations.

Usually every 6 months I might get a lucid dream if I am lucky. Never got lucid dreams as a kid though really. Though I did record and think about my dreams a lot when I was a kid. I did get a lucid dream not too long ago, though I quickly fell asleep. No doubt I feel like my medicines are likely preventing me from astral projecting. And they will likely cause inconsistencies in trying to project since my health and symptoms go in cycles. I know you guys probably have the standard "anyone can do it" mentality, but I am skeptical. I know the effects of medicines and molecules on the spiritual body can be extremely strong. For instance we have all heard of people that undergo anesthesia and have an OBE, some go high into the heavens. Or psychedelics for instance. So if these medicines can can make on go toward the spiritual realms, then naturally there should be medicines that make one go in the opposite direction.

OK so one of my thoughts is that I can use meditation to help lead me to astral projection. If one can learn to draw their attention into the non-physical through meditation, then this would be the route I wouldn't mind going. I have experience with numerous mind states though meditation. Though labeling them is something else. Probably since they are so subjective. Recently I like the idea of experimenting with space in my meditations. Though I also had the idea of trying to phase while awake. I am use to different mind states through meditation. And I tell them apart many times. Whenever I talk about mind states at spiritual forums they say no need for thought or trying. even though many of my mind states are pretty natural without much effort, IDK.

I also have another cool idea. It's that I can wake up a few hours before I usually get up, and use an e-cigarette to help myself become lucid. The idea is that nicotine is an acetylcholine analog. In other words nicotine mimics the effects of acetylcholine. And lucid dreams have used acetylcholine enhancers for a long time with decent results for many of them. And of course lucid dreaming is next to astral projection.

So the main questions are.
1. May my medicines interfere with astral projection?

2. What about a specific meditation that could enhance astral projection?

3. Also how effective is waking imagination for helping one astral project?

Thanks.

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

I knew I should have made my post smaller.

[soarin12]

Hey plasma.  I don't have the answers to your questions, but I just had the thought to ask you if you've tried the Bedeekin method under Astral Consciousness?  It's the same way I did it from the beginning. I didn't even know what AP was when it happened to me.  I had set up the conditions for projection by accident, and when it happened I was totally shocked.  The reason I love this method is because you hardly even have to try. (As I said above, I didn't try at all.)  The process initiates itself and if you just lay still with a quiet mind, it'll just suck you right out.  I literally had to fight NOT to project on many occasions because it just kept sucking me out night after night and it was scaring me that I seemed to have no choice in the matter.  I know everyone's different and it might not work for you the same as for me, but a lot of other people besides me swear by this method.  If you haven't tried it already, give it a read.  Here's the idea.  Get up early, nap at 7 or 8 pm for an hour and 1/2--no more, you don't want to dream. (you must be tired for the nap and do not project at the nap)  Then go to bed around 2 hrs. after you wake up from your nap and consciously project.  See the thread for details. 

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

Hey plasma.  I don't have the answers to your questions, but I just had the thought to ask you if you've tried the Bedeekin method under Astral Consciousness?  It's the same way I did it from the beginning. I didn't even know what AP was when it happened to me.  I had set up the conditions for projection by accident, and when it happened I was totally shocked.  The reason I love this method is because you hardly even have to try. (As I said above, I didn't try at all.)  The process initiates itself and if you just lay still with a quiet mind, it'll just suck you right out.  I literally had to fight NOT to project on many occasions because it just kept sucking me out night after night and it was scaring me that I seemed to have no choice in the matter.  I know everyone's different and it might not work for you the same as for me, but a lot of other people besides me swear by this method.  If you haven't tried it already, give it a read.  Here's the idea.  Get up early, nap at 7 or 8 pm for an hour and 1/2--no more, you don't want to dream. (you must be tired for the nap and do not project at the nap)  Then go to bed around 2 hrs. after you wake up from your nap and consciously project.  See the thread for details. 

I only read a little bit about Bedeekin method the other day. Just checked there is nothing about "astral consciouses" in it. It sounds like it probably won't work, since I have to take my medicines to sleep. I'm talking right now with Xan in depth about this through PMing, and so far he is saying that should just focus on meditation, which I am good at. The Bedeekin method does seem like a good method. Thanks for your suggestion soarin.

[soarin12]

Sorry.  I meant if you go to the home page, the Bedeekin method is under the heading, Astral consciousness.  But looks like you already found it anyway.

Another cool thing about this method is you'll know if it's going to work for you probably within the first few min. of your attempt.  Your visual field (blackness behind your eyelids) will become dynamic and have depth.  Almost sort of a tunnel effect.  When you see that, you know it's going to happen as long as you stay still and keep a quiet mind.  Back when I was doing this method (inadvertently --I hit upon that sleep schedule by accident) I was projecting just about every night.  Always consciously.  Wide awake conscious, too.  No grogginess.  Now that my schedule has changed, I only project once or twice a week.  So much harder for me now.  I should really get back to it.  Anyway, I know you have the med. issues, but best of luck if you try it and with your meditation!

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

Sorry.  I meant if you go to the home page, the Bedeekin method is under the heading, Astral consciousness.  But looks like you already found it anyway.

Another cool thing about this method is you'll know if it's going to work for you probably within the first few min. of your attempt.  Your visual field (blackness behind your eyelids) will become dynamic and have depth.  Almost sort of a tunnel effect.  When you see that, you know it's going to happen as long as you stay still and keep a quiet mind.  Back when I was doing this method (inadvertently --I hit upon that sleep schedule by accident) I was projecting just about every night.  Always consciously.  Wide awake conscious, too.  No grogginess.  Now that my schedule has changed, I only project once or twice a week.  So much harder for me now.  I should really get back to it.  Anyway, I know you have the med. issues, but best of luck if you try it and with your meditation!

Thaks soarin yesh I'll defineatly keep this method in mind. And good luck with your astral practice it sounds like your a natural almost.

Peace.