Is this a OOB inside of a dream?

[Enigmatik]

I recently have dreamt that I was at my grandmas house sleeping in her living room.  My wife was in another connecting room sleeping.  Anyways, she has never been to my grandmas house and this wasn't even an accurate layout of the house itself.  So, I begin hearing the exit noises and my body starts buzzing.  I remember thinking to myself out of fear, "I'm not familiar with this place and I don't know if I want to OOB here."  At this point I come out of body and float into the room that my wife is in.  I float over to the corner and then right up next to her.  She is sleeping on her side facing me.  As I am observing her she wakes up and looks in my general direction as if she senses something paranormal.  I can see the fear in her face as she looks right through me not actually seeing me.  She then gets up and runs out of the room.  After this I woke up.  The thing about this is that it seemed so dream like, but I do remember the exit sensations.... in a dream like way I guess.  Anyone experience anything like this?  I have had a handful of oob's but some of them seem like they are dreams. 

[Volgerle]

I think dreams are OBEs on the astral plane (not RTZ) of your subconscious.

Did your wife comment on anything related to tis, maybe that she was also dreaming it? I would ask her, it could be a nice kind of validation.

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I think dreams are OBEs on the astral plane (not RTZ) of your subconscious.

Did your wife comment on anything related to tis, maybe that she was also dreaming it? I would ask her, it could be a nice kind of validation.

Dreams are simply just dreams. DMT is released when we sleep and it causes us to have hallucinations. OBEs are different.

[Szaxx]

I know where you're coming from with this but what do YOU see as the difference?

[Volgerle]

Dreams are simply just dreams. DMT is released when we sleep and it causes us to have hallucinations. OBEs are different.

And what are hallucinations exactly? Do you "REALLY" know that?

And how does DMT cause them? Is it in the stuff itself? If you drink e.g. a bottle of hard liquor alcohol and then start seeing ETs after that, have they been swimming in that liquid before and that's why you see them?

Think about that: Is the experience not something different from a drug or any trigger causing it? That was of course a rhetorical question: it is different. The experience is a reality, no matter how you 'cause' it and by what.

And then ... what is "real" anyway?  

So many questions we think we know the answer for, but we don't.

I've had validations through dreams - without doubt. Dream telepathy - without doubt. Shared dreams - without doubt. Precognition and clairvoyance - without doubt.

Many people have this, paranormal research literature is full of this (check e.g. Dean Radin's work).

Open your mind (literally).  

Btw, we've had lots of discussions on this on this board already - it's the standad no.1 topic here, a lot to find here on the dream vs. lucid dream vs AP vs OBE issue (use search if you're interested in reading more on this).

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And what are hallucinations exactly? Do you "REALLY" know that?

And how does DMT cause them? Is it in the stuff itself? If you drink e.g. a bottle of hard liquor alcohol and then start seeing ETs after that, have they been swimming in that liquid before and that's why you see them?

Think about that: Is the experience not something different from a drug or any trigger causing it? That was of course a rhetorical question: it is different. The experience is a reality, no matter how you 'cause' it and by what.

And then ... what is "real" anyway?  

So many questions we think we know the answer for, but we don't.

I've had validations through dreams - without doubt. Dream telepathy - without doubt. Shared dreams - without doubt. Precognition and clairvoyance - without doubt.

Many people have this, paranormal research literature is full of this (check e.g. Dean Radin's work).

Open your mind (literally).  

Btw, we've had lots of discussions on this on this board already - it's the standad no.1 topic here, a lot to find here on the dream vs. lucid dream vs AP vs OBE issue (use search if you're interested in reading more on this).

And are these "shared" dreams, dreams that have been shared with people who are close to you? If that's the case, then the reasoning would be that your bodies are simply working together. It's the same reason why when two women get really close, they start to have their periods at the same time. Bodies adapt and change to their liking. If you want to share dreams with people, it just might happen. Validations through dreams come most likely from things we already know. Things that haven't surfaced in waking reality simply because it's in our subconscious minds. When we are under the effects of drugs, things from our subconscious minds can surface easier, simply because of distorted state of mind contrary to the norm. DMT causes hallucinations (and dreams) because... well... it's a drug. Drugs alter your state of mind.... Simply dreaming is not much different. Projecting is another story. You are not "dreaming" when you are projecting. If you want to argue semantics, then I guess in a sense, some people do "dream" through manifestations. However, DMT and the such are not in full effect when you are projecting. I think we can all agree that projection all in of itself is in fact a very real "plane". Regular dreams only last a few minutes, and possibly longer once you've practiced remembering them. The reason why you do not regularly dream for an infinite amount of time is because the effects of DMT don't last that long. This is precisely why it's easier to project for longer periods of time than it is to dream for such periods of time even if we've mastered recording our dreams and anything of the sort.

[Xanth]

Dreams are simply just dreams. DMT is released when we sleep and it causes us to have hallucinations. OBEs are different.

As Volgerle pointed out...
What exactly *ARE* dreams?
Scientists literally have absolutely no idea what dreams are.  So when you say that "Dreams are simply just dreams"... it's a nonsense statement, because you have no idea what they really are, you're merely going on societal-based pseudo-knowledge of what dreams are. 

What if I told you that this physical reality was nothing but a "dream"?
What if I told you that there really is no such thing as a "dream" at all?

For me... this physical reality is nothing more than just another "non-physical reality" (use whatever reality-based term you want here... reality, dimension, realm, plane, etc).

I've run many experiments while projecting to test the "realness" of each projection... branches on trees feel like branches on trees... concrete feels like concrete... grass underfoot feels like grass underfoot... etc.

My point is if I can experience a reality that I identify as not being this physical reality while being fully conscious and aware of this fact and it's something I can directly EXPERIENCE, just as I'm experiencing this physical reality right now... then a "dream" ceases to be a term which exists.  You also begin to question what is "real"... and the only conclusion I can derive from all of my experiences is this: Real is anything which you can experience.  If you can experience it, it's real.  Yes, that means what you would term a "hallucination".

Think about that really hard for a second, then consider all the "crazy" people in the world.  Makes you really wonder, eh?

Anyway, I just want you (and everyone else really) to put aside those common labels which people think they know all about and begin to look at reality differently... ALLOW yourself to change your perspective slightly.  You might be extremely surprised by what you learn.

And if by some chance you're a materialist... then I'd question why you're even on this forum to begin with.

[Xanth]

I recently have dreamt that I was at my grandmas house sleeping in her living room.  My wife was in another connecting room sleeping.  Anyways, she has never been to my grandmas house and this wasn't even an accurate layout of the house itself.  So, I begin hearing the exit noises and my body starts buzzing.  I remember thinking to myself out of fear, "I'm not familiar with this place and I don't know if I want to OOB here."  At this point I come out of body and float into the room that my wife is in.  I float over to the corner and then right up next to her.  She is sleeping on her side facing me.  As I am observing her she wakes up and looks in my general direction as if she senses something paranormal.  I can see the fear in her face as she looks right through me not actually seeing me.  She then gets up and runs out of the room.  After this I woke up.  The thing about this is that it seemed so dream like, but I do remember the exit sensations.... in a dream like way I guess.  Anyone experience anything like this?  I have had a handful of oob's but some of them seem like they are dreams. 

Now, to go back to Enigmatik's original post for a second...
Per my own perspective and truths, a dream within a dream is an impossible scenario. 
There are only "different" subjects or stories of a particular narrative being played out. 
You can, however, have the SUBJECT of a dream being about an OBE... meaning that you're dreaming you're having a discussion about someone about OBEs.

But about projections...
You're either aware that you're non-physical or you're unaware that you're non-physical.  That's all there is. 

Did you know, at any point during your experience, that you were non-physical?

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As Volgerle pointed out...
What exactly *ARE* dreams?
Scientists literally have absolutely no idea what dreams are.  So when you say that "Dreams are simply just dreams"... it's a nonsense statement, because you have no idea what they really are, you're merely going on societal-based pseudo-knowledge of what dreams are. 

What if I told you that this physical reality was nothing but a "dream"?
What if I told you that there really is no such thing as a "dream" at all?

For me... this physical reality is nothing more than just another "non-physical reality" (use whatever reality-based term you want here... reality, dimension, realm, plane, etc).

I've run many experiments while projecting to test the "realness" of each projection... branches on trees feel like branches on trees... concrete feels like concrete... grass underfoot feels like grass underfoot... etc.

My point is if I can experience a reality that I identify as not being this physical reality while being fully conscious and aware of this fact and it's something I can directly EXPERIENCE, just as I'm experiencing this physical reality right now... then a "dream" ceases to be a term which exists.  You also begin to question what is "real"... and the only conclusion I can derive from all of my experiences is this: Real is anything which you can experience.  If you can experience it, it's real.  Yes, that means what you would term a "hallucination".

Think about that really hard for a second, then consider all the "crazy" people in the world.  Makes you really wonder, eh?

Anyway, I just want you (and everyone else really) to put aside those common labels which people think they know all about and begin to look at reality differently... ALLOW yourself to change your perspective slightly.  You might be extremely surprised by what you learn.

And if by some chance you're a materialist... then I'd question why you're even on this forum to begin with.

Lol, I'm no materialist. But, having a healthy relationship of facts is not a bad idea, even when dealing with the non physical. If reality is nothing but a dream, show me that you are limitless? This is what I mean when I imply that there is a difference between "reality" and "dream". In one, we are limited (or at least things become harder) and in the other, not so much. I wouldn't exactly call it common labels. Thing is, facts are facts. In places like the Astral planes, we can completely ignore those, but in this "waking reality" there is a tendency for law and physics which are unfortunately inevitable.

[Xanth]

Lol, I'm no materialist. But, having a healthy relationship of facts is not a bad idea, even when dealing with the non physical. If reality is nothing but a dream, show me that you are limitless? This is what I mean when I imply that there is a difference between "reality" and "dream". In one, we are limited (or at least things become harder) and in the other, not so much. I wouldn't exactly call it common labels. Thing is, facts are facts. In places like the Astral planes, we can completely ignore those, but in this "waking reality" there is a tendency for law and physics which are unfortunately inevitable.

Which "facts" are you referring to?

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Which "facts" are you referring to?

A regular dream and an OBE are two different things.

[Enigmatik]

Did your wife comment on anything related to tis, maybe that she was also dreaming it? I would ask her, it could be a nice kind of validation.

I did ask her about this and there was no connection what so ever.  It just seemed different and more vague than some of the ones I have had before.  I just didn't know if people have oob's with this kind of situation or if it were just a dream.  I just find it strange that I would get these exit sensations if it were just a dream.

[000MobianAngel000]

I did ask her about this and there was no connection what so ever.  It just seemed different and more vague than some of the ones I have had before.  I just didn't know if people have oob's with this kind of situation or if it were just a dream.  I just find it strange that I would get these exit sensations if it were just a dream.

I think I had something like this once, but It's hard to remember.

[Xanth]

A regular dream and an OBE are two different things.

Next question... you do know what a "fact" is, right?

After that, you can then tell me exactly what a dream is.  You're apparently more informed than the scientific community regarding this.  Perhaps you want to issue a paper to the world declaring this. 
See my point?

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Next question... you do know what a "fact" is, right?

After that, you can then tell me exactly what a dream is.  You're apparently more informed than the scientific community regarding this.  Perhaps you want to issue a paper to the world declaring this. 
See my point?

I never claimed to be more informed, but im pretty sure that that is fact.

[Xanth]

I never claimed to be more informed, but im pretty sure that that is fact.

I've done a lot of research into what science thinks a dream is.   The conclusion of my research is that science has absolutely no idea.  They have theories and guesses, but nobody knows "for a fact".

If you can find facts regarding it, I'd seriously love to read them.  As I said, I spent the better part of a couple years looking.

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I've done a lot of research into what science thinks a dream is.   The conclusion of my research is that science has absolutely no idea.  They have theories and guesses, but nobody knows "for a fact".

If you can find facts regarding it, I'd seriously love to read them.  As I said, I spent the better part of a couple years looking.

Well we know DMT causes hallucinations and such when we sleep. What we dont know is why we undergo this process of "dreaming". Some claim its a recollection of things that happen in our daily lives.   Others say that dreams are glimpses of other realities. As far as science knows, theres no reason for it. The best we can do is speculate from this point on.

[Xanth]

Exactly.

So what we have just confirmed is that what you have been trying to pass off as fact, is in fact not a fact at all.

That makes the information you have regarding "dreams", pseudo-knowledge.

Are you starting to see why "facts"  aren't going to help you much when it comes to the nonphysical?  This also goes for the term "hallucination".

As I said, it's probably best to leave all that at the login screen before you begin reading and posting.  

A full cup has no room for more.

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Exactly.

So what we have just confirmed is that what you have been trying to pass off as fact, is in fact not a fact at all.

That makes the information you have regarding "dreams", pseudo-knowledge.

Are you starting to see why "facts"  aren't going to help you much when it comes to the nonphysical?  This also goes for the term "hallucination".

As I said, it's probably best to leave all that at the login screen before you begin reading and posting.  

A full cup has no room for more.

I see. The more I discuss, the more I learn. Thanks for your input.