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TheWolfofDreams

Maybe I'm over thinking it, but I've run into some roadblocks and REALLY need some guidance here.
I discovered AP a little while ago, and since then have done nothing but look at stories and look up info, techniques, and advice.
However, this is my first time coming to a forum to ASK for help. (I made another post in a thread, however it was old and doesn't get attention. So I'm starting this one.)

So basically I'm a new student to my awakening. I've learned so much so quickly.
As well, so many interesting stories and accounts of AP and OBEs. This is amazing we can all come together peacefully to learn, explore, and share. Anyway...

I'm having several problems and I could really use some help.
I have ADD and this keeps my mind running almost 24/7.

1. When I'm trying to clear my mind and relax and focus. My concentration is often broken easily, not as much by outside influence, but by my own thoughts, they come in like a wrecking ball, they're very powerful.
2. Concentration is not my forte. I don't know what to focus on, so many different 'techniques' I try visualization and that doesn't help either. And even then, my job isn't to focus on anything, just to calm my mind. (See problem 1)
3. And just a question, is it okay to move your eyes when they're shut? I have a hard time with that as well.

All I seek is wisdom and understanding.

Maybe these are things that go away with practice. I don't have very much practice under my belt. These initial problems worried me, and I prevented myself from moving forward. How do I pick up and run with it, yet again?
I so yearn to stretch my astral legs, per se. Wisdom and being one with the Universe what I want.

Oh by the way. Hi Astral Pulse forum! It's nice to join your ranks this day!

Bluefirephoenix

to start with you need to focus on something specific perhaps a mantra might help. Pick a word and as you repeat it try to go deeper into the word. Then if you can maintain that for 20 minutes a couple times a day start working without it. focusing on your heart and going deeper into it. It takes time and yes lots of practice. A couple times a day isn't a bad idea 3 times to start even better.

Kzaal

Wisdom can be learned just by reading stuff online, quotes by masters like Lao Tzu or any good person that was here, Buddha, Gandhi, all thoses people had great wisdom. And they would help you be a better person.
It also made things a lot easier for me when I was trying to AP.
For your problems tho the best way to deal with those roadblocks is to meditate until you can have perfect control over your body before you attempt AP'ing. Meditating will help you calm your body, mind, and spirit in order to be balanced. You need all the concentration possible to achieve AP.
You just need to focus on clearing your mind until you feel like it's completely blank.
You should read more about chakras also just as general knowledge as to how you can open your chakras and be in balance.
When you are done with that you will feel much better and AP'ing will be much easier to attempt.
for your 3rd question it's ok to move your eyes even if they're closed but try not too, try to stare in the middle and have a global view of the blank under your eyelids. Once you're AP'ing your eyes will move just like when you dream so it doesn't matter.

It is possible to calm your mind even if you have ADD, when you awaken you will be in control of your mind and body.

Good Luck!
The partial becomes complete; the crooked, straight; the empty,
full; the worn out, new. He whose (desires) are few gets them; he
whose (desires) are many goes astray.

TheWolfofDreams

#3
Thanks for the tips, I'll try it out. I've got some classes and time lined up with a Reiki master in my area, whom also is going to be teaching me Reiki after they do some work on me.
If anyone else has any ideas, I'd love to get more info and advice from anyone I can.
Maybe if you have any specific techniques to try, until then... Thanks for the wishes of luck!
I'll report back soon to tell you of any progress I make.

Peace!
And remember, life is what you make it!

TheWolfofDreams

#4
I DID ITTTTTTT!
Time: 2:30PMish Location: My bed. Method Used: The 'Just let it happen method', which is what I like to call it, with a few visualizations to raise my awareness and focus.
I didn't project fully, however what did happen caught me off-guard. I was laying there going through the stages when suddenly, I was THROWN into a state of extreme vibrations, sound, and pressure.  And then I could feel this strange tug, except it was like my physical body, but I could only relate it to my body. If that makes sense, :\, hahaha.
Anyway, I recall memories like I had a dream or something, but no recollection that I ever reached a point where I lost consciousness. Not that I didn't, just that if I did my body doesn't recall. As for the sounds, I heard a voice at one point, it said, "the present". But it was my sisters voice and from the event I have a small fragment of memory where I recall seeing her. I don't know what to make of this phantom memory.

I was laying there going through the stages when I felt this strange sensation, I felt like maybe I was going backwards in the process. I don't know why I thought this, but the thought came up, I was desperate, I pleaded with myself, "Please! No, no, no, no!" but I never said any words. My mouth never opened. But I heard my cries clear as day. It was this emotional response that I believe finally moved me out of that trance-state and back to physical reality. I wish I could recall more, I'm sure memory fragments will come to me overtime of those few moments where I know I was longer consciously in control.

However, on the upside I've made MAJOR progress and I feel WONDERFUL. (Minus this headache I had BEFORE I started my session, which subsided almost immediately into the relax phase)

Any comments, questions, or tips are still very much welcome. :) Anybody on the forums with experience feel free to give your two cents, please. I want to know what this says to YOU, being that you've had more experience.

Szaxx

Excellent work, the percieved sounds of communication were telepathic. No words are spoken, they are thoughts and will develop very quickly as you have more experiences.
More on this aspect will become apparent later, you'll not believe the amount of info you can recieve in a second.
The vibrations are a good signpost, the sound of chips cooking or perhaps a strong wind is very common. In the 1800's practitioners named it the astral wind, a hurricane is deserved at times lol. Falling in any direction is typical, a rollercoaster ride is not as strong at times and you may have already experienced this one.
Your sister? This is something from your subconcious by the sound of it, anything thats been on your mind tends to work itself out in dreams. In a projection it can become useful in the transitional stages, what you hear may be taken lightly, the attached personality is present and you FEEL it.
Your emotions will be a very strong driving force. These you must control, easier said than done. It's one reason why you shouldn't project if you're having emotional issues within yourself. They tend to upset you... I'll leave it at that as your single experience speaks volumes on the control issue. Think on what occured and your ability to prevent the eventuality.  :wink:
Lots to think about, a clear mind means nothing playing on it. Any stress from life may interact, this can be good but it rarely is.

A method I use is below. If you've not already had a read, do so to compare it to your exit routine.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_astral_blueprint-t38729.0.html


Further comments welcome.
Congratulations on your success.
There's far more where the eye can't see.
Close your eyes and open your mind.

TheWolfofDreams

When you say control issue, I can't think of any reasons I would have emotional control problems. I'm not afraid... and I haven't felt too greatly stressed, but actually now as I'm revising this sentence I realize maybe you're right, I've never had the greatest control of my emotions.
I feel these things about me will only reveal themselves more with time. Until then I can only explore more to see what comes out.

My sister has been on my mind a bit lately, yeah, I see why that surfaces there, but her words you said meant nothing? I should take it lightly- like, not as having any general meaning?

As for the method forum, I haven't read it, but shall now.
And thanks. I hope to learn more about myself and the universe as I go along, and with people like you and the other mods here to help, I can't see how I could fail.

If I misinterpreted anything you said, please feel free to let me know.

Peace, Love, and Wisdom for all!

Szaxx

The things you MAY hear in the hypnagogic state can be frightening at times. Being shouted at, called demeaning names and such like is where you think reactively. This ends the experience in most cases and leaves a nasty taste. It's harmless in itself and should be accepted as a test of your determination.
It's your personal space and YOU give the orders. Being strong minded helps greatly.
A heads up in your learnings.  :wink:
There's far more where the eye can't see.
Close your eyes and open your mind.

TheWolfofDreams

Oh I'm well aware of the things you can hear and see. I've had experience with this state before, about two years ago, I didn't understand at the time, but it left me unphased after the incident. I simply faced what was happening and basically stood up to it, in a sense. "I'm not afraid, I don't care." and I haven't had a problem with that sense. However, it's not often I find myself very conscious in this state.

I'm very strong minded and willed actually. And thanks, I can't stress enough that any heads up is worth a heads up.
And.. isn't everything a test? :)

Peace and Love!

Szaxx

The more progress you make the harder they are to discern let alone actually do.
Post your experiences, they'll be interesting to diagnose lol.
There's far more where the eye can't see.
Close your eyes and open your mind.

TheWolfofDreams

The experience occurred when I was having some very vivid dreams, this was a little while ago. At the time I had actually been keeping a dream journal, but that is long-since lost.
Anyway... I saw the silhouette of a 'man', just beyond my field of view, and as I attempted to focus on him, something happened and it felt like I was in trouble, you know that feeling you get when something bad is about to happen? The 'man' said some very rude things to me and threatened me with other very rude things and that they'd be carried out by other rude people.
At that point I had been waiting for something else to come out and attempt to carry out his threats. (I didn't realize it wasn't real at the time, just kinda caught in the moment I guess?) When I turned my attention to the figure and without words, my mind ran the thought "No. No you won't." I don't know why it was so suave, but then as I focused more on the figure, it simply stepped back and was gone.
This is when it hit me what I had experienced, I had heard of this before as I use to be very into lucid dreaming but rarely had any. Just very vivid dreams, the journal really helps.

This is what I recall, there may have been more or less.

I don't think there is anything to diagnose within this, however, I've decided to set my astral projection practice time to 2PM which is four hours from now, I'll report back when I've something to say about that practice session, lets hope I can pull this one off.