Negative entites

[zorgblar]

Negative entites.Were do they come from?Are they demons?

[Summerlander]

No. They are not. They are elements from your mind. They have no objective existence but in your mind and once you recognise them for what they are they cease to be. They can be concocted by your unconscious from states of mind like fear because your mind is capable of doing so.

[c0sm0nautt]

Some say they have an objective existence - at least some of them. No one knows for sure.

[CFTraveler]

Haven't you asked this before?

[Dazino]

I would say that there are negative entities that exist on their own (Objective) and some that are projections of the mind (Subjective).

Any reason you ask?

[Everlasting]

Yes they exist, take a good look around. They came from the same place you came from.

[Bedeekin]

So... if evil/negative entities are real.

Why in 26 years, after battling with dogs, strange clawing beasts, gremlin type things... (one time one sank its fingers into the soft flesh behind my collar bone and ripped the front of my ribcage off, exposing my lungs and heart) why haven't I actually been harmed.. like... for real?

[c0sm0nautt]

Perhaps because you are sufficiently grounded/wise to ward off those "attacks." I'm not sure if such beings have objective existence. I know some most definitely do not. The whole self-other dichotomy gets pretty hazy anyway once you get into ideas of us all being part of a One source. But obviously the people in mental institutions suffering from paranoid schizophrenia haven't been as lucky.

[Bedeekin]

Perhaps because you are sufficiently grounded/wise to ward off those "attacks."

Or... because I have no actual belief that they are real objective entities?

[Dazino]

So... if evil/negative entities are real.

Why in 26 years, after battling with dogs, strange clawing beasts, gremlin type things... (one time one sank its fingers into the soft flesh behind my collar bone and ripped the front of my ribcage off, exposing my lungs and heart) why haven't I actually been harmed.. like... for real?

Not all harm has to be physical.

[personalreality]

it's also important to note that negative is a subjective value that we place on such entities from our perspective.  would the animals or plants we eat think of us as being negative or evil? 

[Summerlander]

Or... because I have no actual belief that they are real objective entities?

I'm on team Bedeekin on this one!

[CFTraveler]

it's also important to note that negative is a subjective value that we place on such entities from our perspective.  would the animals or plants we eat think of us as being negative or evil?  

Exactly.  (Or, I agree.)  A lion is doing what a lion does, a mosquito is doing what a mosquito does.  Regardless of whether elemental entities (what is what most negs are considered to be by some practitioners)exist or not,  why would predatory/parasitic animals not have an 'astral/energetic' counterpart?

[Summerlander]

This is an excerpt from my journal:

"At that point, her form stood up and turned to face me. Her facial features changed, her teeth were sharp and her eyes were unnaturally black as though her pupils had severely dilated. It was the typical demonic mydriasis seen in the movies. She smirked and snarled as she lunged forward in an attack. I fought back and there came a point where I grabbed both her arms and stared her in the face to say that she wasn't real. She turned back to normal and we started having sex which felt wetter than waking life sex or it seemed like more fluids were involved. Suddenly the thought form was no longer Stacey but rather a large black woman at which point the sexual act was being carried out in the same manner that a pair of dogs would do."

So...I managed to turn a demon into a black woman with a large behind in order to have coitus with it?

[Bedeekin]

 Exactly.  (Or, I agree.)  A lion is doing what a lion does, a mosquito is doing what a mosquito does.  Regardless of whether elemental entities (what is what most negs are considered to be by some practitioners)exist or not,  why would predatory/parasitic animals not have an 'astral/energetic' counterpart?

If so... then it would be fair to assume astral lions hunting astral Gazelle... or maybe the Gazelle get their own back in the astral. Remember that animals don't kill out of malice... they kill out of necessity. We... and to some extent Chimps and Dolphins do display violent tendancies for no other reason than for sport or fun... even then for Chimps and Dolphins, violent behavoir is primarily a group activity.

[Lexy]

Hey zorg..why do you ask...are you worried about seeing them or have you see them?

[Xanth]

Hey zorg..why do you ask...are you worried about seeing them or have you see them?

You might wanna check out his posting history before asking that. 

[Lexy]

Too busy..need quick answers

[CFTraveler]

Too busy..need quick answers

Too bad Lexy, I think if you do the search you may be amused.

[CFTraveler]

If so... then it would be fair to assume astral lions hunting astral Gazelle... or maybe the Gazelle get their own back in the astral. Remember that animals don't kill out of malice... they kill out of necessity. We... and to some extent Chimps and Dolphins do display violent tendancies for no other reason than for sport or fun... even then for Chimps and Dolphins, violent behavoir is primarily a group activity.

I don't get the analogy.
Regardless of the intention of the entity we're talking about, the word negative entity is a label we have given to the representation of something that is making us not feel good.  I'm not saying that they are objective beings (maybe they are, maybe they're not) the fact is that stuff we don't like happens here and it's not unreasonable to think that unpleasant things happen 'there' too- whether they're psychological manifestations, actual independent entities, or something else altogether.

[Lexy]

"As above, so below"






I wiill take a look later

[Bedeekin]

  I don't get the analogy.
Regardless of the intention of the entity we're talking about, the word negative entity is a label we have given to the representation of something that is making us not feel good.  I'm not saying that they are objective beings (maybe they are, maybe they're not) the fact is that stuff we don't like happens here and it's not unreasonable to think that unpleasant things happen 'there' too- whether they're psychological manifestations, actual independent entities, or something else altogether.

You did say that what if they had an Astral counterpart. That is a pretty relevant statement.

All I understand is regardless of what they appear to be... they don't harm. When unpleasant things happen there... I get up the next day and get on with my life... when unpleasant things happen here.. it pretty much sticks.

This thread is about negative entities... I don't regard them... I don't get hurt. Period.

[CFTraveler]

You did say that what if they had an Astral counterpart. That is a pretty relevant statement.

It's relevant, but to what?  You seem to object to what I said but I still am not clear why.

All I understand is regardless of what they appear to be... they don't harm.

Which is why I said that the word is a subjective interpretation, since everyone has subjective experiences.

When unpleasant things happen there... I get up the next day and get on with my life... when unpleasant things happen here.. it pretty much sticks.

I don't think I understand what distinction you are making, other than the only way to be hurt is physical, but this is not true- psychological damage is very important, and is a negative if someone is not ready for certain experiences.

This thread is about negative entities... I don't regard them... I don't get hurt. Period.

I still don't understand why you seem to be qualifying what I'm saying as 'not applicable' yet call it relevant.
I really don't get it.
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[Summerlander]

Bedeekin has a lifetime of experience with OOBEs and he teaches induction. He's had over 4000 OOBEs so I guess he pretty much qualifies and I know he knows what he is talking about because some of his experiences pretty much resonate with mine. ^^^

[CFTraveler]

That's fine and dandy, but what exactly is the argument about?  It seems there's an argument, but I don't know about what exactly.