Use of drugs and herbs in AP

[swastikmohapatra]

So recently I came upon this webpage(http://astralprojection-guide.com/astral-projection-technique-phasing), through which I came to know about DMT. Then I came to know about a host of other perception altering herbs. So my question is, are any of these herbs/drugs required for AP? Do they provide some additional benefit or is it not worth it.

Also, please share your experiences of AP while on a drug/herb.

Cheers,
Swastik

[desert-rat]

As always I advise any one using any kind of drug to know what they are doing,  as drugs can hurt or kill you. As drugs change your perception of reality you could never trust your experience.  Its best to not use the drugs.  

p.s. if you search a bit you can find drugs to reach an alterad state ,but your on your own.

[SweetDream]

I wouldn't encourage the usage of substances to achieve astral projection.

I mean, it can help you and makes it easier to achieve your goals, but the downside is... you are paying a price to basically gain a shortcut in gaining spiritual experiences like Astral Projection or Out of Body Experiences.

For example, a friend of mines does take substances and when she got high she claimed she had opened her third eye but her third eye closed when she woke up. The thing is, when you take stuff, you don't know if the experience is real or false and if you do genuinely gain a spiritual experience, you will just end up prone to dangers due to your inexperience.

I mean there are talks and rumours and myths about possession or encountering evil spirits and stuff, as a beginner who basically skipped practice to project yourself, wouldn't you expose your spirit and body to danger?

I could be wrong i'm no expert in this area, the main reason my friend is taking substances is because she wanted to and because she heard it helps with projection, but of course I advise against it because it is dangerous.

[Phalanx]

I agree with SweetDream, when you take drugs you are subjected to trips and the trip is either good or bad and you cant control that. I also have a friend that has dealt with substances and they say when things get bad they get really bad. And since the astral is controlled by thoughts, if you cant control your thoughts due to what your on things domino effect, one thought leads to another into another into another.


Also have heard of cases where the use of drugs, herbs and all the such have made it harder for the user to AP on their own. And depending on what you are using it makes it hard to recall any experiences if there was one so if you wont remember it why bother right.

There have been cases where alcohol has helped with obe's and I have had a recent experience with alcohol. Now I don't drink to get drunk and didn't drink for the purpose of having an Obe. Simply story, one night I did happen to drink to much and you know how the room begins to spin when you drink too much, well I try to go to sleep and I get spun quite violently out of body and then I was "spun" all over space i would say becasue the only 2 images I remember were one was a pinkish sun and the other was a nebula think it was red or purple and a lot of strange voices all the time. The rest of it none of which I really remember because I was drunk. I just remember being spun out and the weird feeling of like falling through the air like going around earth in a strange orbit really fast always falling. That continued until I was able to get enough conscious control to forcibly wake up or snap back to the physical and then I went and drank lots of water ate some food and stayed up for a bit before trying to sleep again. That is all I remember I advise against it.

[EscapeVelocity]

A perfect choice as an example Phalanx!

The alcohol-induced bed-spins may be the easiest and most straight-forward exit technique for an OBE, other than maybe a knock over the head...

The bed-spins also are a prime display of the drug-induced lack of control that follows. You are along for the ride and can exert NO control.

For this and the other reasons as offered by Phalanx, DR and SweetDream, it is best to learn this on your own without the chemicals.

I know the temptation is always there; in quiet periods, I get tempted myself to look for some help. The truth may be that early on it is your gradual progression in the learning of the art that is required; later blocks are usually discovered to lie elsewhere, within areas that need to be cleared up for other but necessary reasons. I just found a new one myself, so the question relates for me as well, thanks.

[desert-rat]

I have heard that ketamene (not spelled rite) can give you a o.b.e. but a little too much can make that trip one way.

[Xanth]

Ketamine is a horse tranquilizer.  Please don't mess around with drugs.  You won't learn anything from the experience.
We don't condone the use of drugs to learn to project.  You don't need them.