OBE questions

[soulslasher6]

I have a few questions about astral projection. Do you have emotion? Can you talk? What do you look like if you look down at your hands or something? How long do the vibrations and/or voices last? When you first heard of astral projection, and you visualized it in your head, then when you did it, was it how you imagined? Is everything blurry? How do you move, in slow motion? When you astral project, were things in your room missing or something that's not really there appear? What happens if you look in a mirror? can you look into the past and future? Does it feel like having a dream? Are you in 3rd person or 1st person?

Appreciate your responses, you don't have to answer all of them . 

[CFTraveler]

Hi ss.

I have a few questions about astral projection. Do you have emotion?

You can.

Can you talk?

You can communicate, but not verbally.

What do you look like if you look down at your hands or something?

Depends on 'where' you are.  In the RTZ you can look 'ghostly', in higher planes you may not have a perception of a body at all.  Just a point of perception.

How long do the vibrations and/or voices last?

Until you separate, or snap out of it.

When you first heard of astral projection, and you visualized it in your head, then when you did it, was it how you imagined?

I had the experience first, and then found out what it was.

Is everything blurry?

Sometimes.  Depends on where you end up.

How do you move, in slow motion?

Also depends.  Can be by will, as if I were a balloon, by focusing attention towards a direction, or as if I were floating in something.

When you astral project, were things in your room missing or something that's not really there appear?

In RTZ projections, yes.

What happens if you look in a mirror?

Almost anything.  You can seem normal, or different, or someone else, or anything else, or just get 'sucked in'.  Lots of possibilities there.

can you look into the past and future?

And probable futures also, making it not altogether predictable.

Does it feel like having a dream?

Some do.  Depends on the locale.

Are you in 3rd person or 1st person?

First person.
 

Appreciate your responses, you don't have to answer all of them . 

And yet I did.   

[soulslasher6]

   And yet I did.   

Ha, thanks! so have you met and negative entities? were you scared the first time? how do you stay come and what do you do?I just find it disturbing that there are creepy things waiting for us. And is it ok to astral project if you are sick?


I've been studying AP for over 5 years, but what's RTZ?
Oh yeah, can you see real people?

[CFTraveler]

Ha, thanks! so have you met and negative entities?

Yes, but as I said before, I had the experiences before I learned to project at will. I actually learned to project at will to have more control of the situation- so I could do what I wanted when I wanted, instead of (the perception of) someone else come and take me away.

were you scared the first time?

The first time I projected on purpose? No.  The first time I had a scary experience, yes.  But I learned I can't be hurt and scary experiences are really learning experiences.  So now I regard it as interesting.

And is it ok to astral project if you are sick?

I don't recommend trying to induce projection while sick, because it takes a lot of energy to induce.  But if you are sick and pop out by accident, then enjoy it.  You probably will feel better out of body than in.

I've been studying AP for over 5 years, but what's RTZ?

Real Time Zone, aka 'etheric'.

Oh yeah, can you see real people?

In the RTZ.

[soulslasher6]

I want to astral project so badly but i just can't get over the fear of the unknown and how it's going to feel, i just can't grasp the idea. Any help/tips would help a lot.

[ancient_one]

I want to astral project so badly but i just can't get over the fear of the unknown and how it's going to feel, i just can't grasp the idea. Any help/tips would help a lot.

Fear is a powerful thing to deal with, but it is only like that because you give it that power. Yet, you would not jump into a swimming pool and expect to swim if you did not know how to swim, and were afraid of the water.  So, start slow.  Get to the vibrations, and learn to move them around and change them in your own experiences.  Still afraid to jump out of body?  Then just reach out one hand.  Get used to that, and then reach out the other, or kick your legs out.  Get used to it n a way that makes sense to you. Reading what others have to say will not tell you what you will have to do to deal with the sensations and any related fear. 

[soulslasher6]

Fear is a powerful thing to deal with, but it is only like that because you give it that power. Yet, you would not jump into a swimming pool and expect to swim if you did not know how to swim, and were afraid of the water.  So, start slow.  Get to the vibrations, and learn to move them around and change them in your own experiences.  Still afraid to jump out of body?  Then just reach out one hand.  Get used to that, and then reach out the other, or kick your legs out.  Get used to it n a way that makes sense to you. Reading what others have to say will not tell you what you will have to do to deal with the sensations and any related fear. 

Thanks a lot! i'll try it! Will this give me a new perspective on life? because i could use one 


Edit: Just tried it. After a few minutes, my hands went numb, but i couldn't spread it. I then saw a purple spiral very clearly. this threw me off. anyone else seen the spiral? what is it and why is it there? But before i was thrown off i vaguely saw a face (guiding spirit?) i had a bandanna thing over her head like a gypsy and had long black hair. i saw her for two seconds or so.

[CFTraveler]

I want to astral project so badly but i just can't get over the fear of the unknown and how it's going to feel, i just can't grasp the idea. Any help/tips would help a lot.

If fear of the unknown is a biggie then give yourself a crash course in 'what you may be afraid of but didn't know.'  Self exploration is the key- unknown fears are the worst because they manifest in the astral.
One thing to do is to keep a dream diary, because those same 'unknown' fears manifest symbolically in dreams, and you can explore them as prep for your eventual practice.  Another thing is to know that if you're afraid you will be tested, and if you are a generally stable person, you will get to the point that you won't be afraid anymore- just curious.

anyone else seen the spiral? what is it and why is it there?

The color purple is a good color, it symbolizes 'the violet flame' and is considered protective.  If it was funnel-like you may have seen a portal to the astral manifested in the etheric (RTZ) and it's nothing to be afraid of.  You can google 'violet flame' and it'll give you an idea of what it may be about.  Keep in mind that people make belief systems of everything, but the mythology is interesting.

[soulslasher6]

If fear of the unknown is a biggie then give yourself a crash course in 'what you may be afraid of but didn't know.'  Self exploration is the key- unknown fears are the worst because they manifest in the astral.
One thing to do is to keep a dream diary, because those same 'unknown' fears manifest symbolically in dreams, and you can explore them as prep for your eventual practice.  Another thing is to know that if you're afraid you will be tested, and if you are a generally stable person, you will get to the point that you won't be afraid anymore- just curious.
The color purple is a good color, it symbolizes 'the violet flame' and is considered protective.  If it was funnel-like you may have seen a portal to the astral manifested in the etheric (RTZ) and it's nothing to be afraid of.  You can google 'violet flame' and it'll give you an idea of what it may be about.  Keep in mind that people make belief systems of everything, but the mythology is interesting.

Well that's good to know. As for the gypsy?

[T.L.]

"What happens if you look in a mirror?" I've looked in a mirror multiple times, and nothing happened. Couldn't see myself at all.

"can you look into the past and future?" I have but not on purpose.

"Does it feel like having a dream?" Not to me in the least bit but one can fall into a dream from the experience, sort of like falling asleep or losing consciousness in the physical.

" Are you in 3rd person or 1st person?" First person but you can also force your perspective to view your nonphysical body, I've only did this once so far just to see what I looked like (logical way to do so because you can't use a mirror).

[soulslasher6]

"What happens if you look in a mirror?" I've looked in a mirror multiple times, and nothing happened. Couldn't see myself at all.

"can you look into the past and future?" I have but not on purpose.

"Does it feel like having a dream?" Not to me in the least bit but one can fall into a dream from the experience, sort of like falling asleep or losing consciousness in the physical.

" Are you in 3rd person or 1st person?" First person but you can also force your perspective to view your nonphysical body, I've only did this once so far just to see what I looked like (logical way to do so because you can't use a mirror).

Have you met any entities? And are spiritual guides real people who astral project and then help others or nice entities

[T.L.]

Entities, not really. But I have met one person as far as I could tell he was deceased (without a physical body). Other than that it's been a very solitary sort of state. I have seen hundreds of people, but they couldn't see me as they were in their physical bodies. So when I did meet that one guy who talked to me it surprised the heck out of me.

[soulslasher6]

Entities, not really. But I have met one person as far as I could tell he was deceased (without a physical body). Other than that it's been a very solitary sort of state. I have seen hundreds of people, but they couldn't see me as they were in their physical bodies. So when I did meet that one guy who talked to me it surprised the heck out of me.

So you didn't freak out? or were you not capable of doing so? So it feels like real life?

[T.L.]

No I usually don't freak out, rarely do I ever get scared of anything. It just shocked me that out of all my experiences and no one could see me or whatever out of the blue there is this guy who was seeing and hearing me. It was kind of embarrassing because in my experiences I am voicing everything out loud, because my logic is it's not like anyone will hear or see anything I'm doing. So when the guy approached me I was talking to myself out loud about wanting to get to the white house. Then he just casually comes up to me and asks me why I would want to go there. All I could say was "you can see me?" lol.
It feels like real life in that you are able to think logically, you can read like normal (at least I can in my experiences) and you are actively experiencing it rather than it just seeming like a memory later (like you do in a dream).

[soulslasher6]

No I usually don't freak out, rarely do I ever get scared of anything. It just shocked me that out of all my experiences and no one could see me or whatever out of the blue there is this guy who was seeing and hearing me. It was kind of embarrassing because in my experiences I am voicing everything out loud, because my logic is it's not like anyone will hear or see anything I'm doing. So when the guy approached me I was talking to myself out loud about wanting to get to the white house. Then he just casually comes up to me and asks me why I would want to go there. All I could say was "you can see me?" lol.
It feels like real life in that you are able to think logically, you can read like normal (at least I can in my experiences) and you are actively experiencing it rather than it just seeming like a memory later (like you do in a dream).

So when you get out of your body it feels like you're just getting out of bed, but you can do anything you want?

[zareste]

I did read about a few people looking in mirrors. One said he saw himself as a foggy figure, another said she could see herself clearly, but she was a white material like alabaster

I always wanted to try it because I had this theory that spirits only give off low-frequency light, but now I'm doubtful about that

[Xanth]

Nobody can really objectively describe it accurately... unfortunately.
It's really something you have to experience for yourself. 

[soulslasher6]

Nobody can really objectively describe it accurately... unfortunately.
It's really something you have to experience for yourself. 

ok... but does it give off sort of a foggy safe dream atmosphere, or is it overwhelming and extraordinary atmosphere?

[uberseeker]

hey tl, have you gone to any temples or met up with any teachers? what would you say happens in a normal projection? Is it possible to receive attunements in the astral?

also, what is the most important thing to have, in order to project? would you say the ability to focus? I'm thinking that if you have less than honorable intentions when you project, u'll be shot right out into reality. What do you think?

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the one time that I did project, I thought to myself, wow everything is so clear. I then looked into the mirror and my face was really distorted, chewing gum, and I had an afro. My clarity was fading as I went outside so I asked my higher self to bring me clarity. It never works. Also the mirror wasn't actually in the same place as reality. is this a lower form of projection?

No I usually don't freak out, rarely do I ever get scared of anything. It just shocked me that out of all my experiences and no one could see me or whatever out of the blue there is this guy who was seeing and hearing me. It was kind of embarrassing because in my experiences I am voicing everything out loud, because my logic is it's not like anyone will hear or see anything I'm doing. So when the guy approached me I was talking to myself out loud about wanting to get to the white house. Then he just casually comes up to me and asks me why I would want to go there. All I could say was "you can see me?" lol.
It feels like real life in that you are able to think logically, you can read like normal (at least I can in my experiences) and you are actively experiencing it rather than it just seeming like a memory later (like you do in a dream).

[T.L.]

"hey tl, have you gone to any temples or met up with any teachers? what would you say happens in a normal projection? Is it possible to receive attunements in the astral?"

No haven't been to any kind of temple. The closest thing so far is when I ended up near some kind of revival church in San Francisco. I'm not sure if there is such a thing as a "normal projection".

I can say what kind of projection I find the best to validate. That is when I exit I find myself in the same room with my body and I can objectively view the physical body, at that point I know that Im in the here and now and can go about and find something to validate.

"also, what is the most important thing to have, in order to project? would you say the ability to focus? I'm thinking that if you have less than honorable intentions when you project, u'll be shot right out into reality. What do you think?"

I think it is the ability to relax fully and completely physically (and mentally if you have anxiety). Because you can have tons of focus and still not project because you cant relax physically. I really don't think intentions could affect projection. Some believe it does but I've had some pretty negative intentions as far as going into other peoples places and find something I can validate later and it didn't seem to affect my ability to get out. Im fine working along the grey area but I would never do anything overtly negative, it's just not in my nature to do anything that horrible. Perhaps on a subconscious level it could play a role, if people think they've done something bad and they subconsciously believe that they wont be allowed to project again it could cause some kind of subconscious barrier (much like the fear barrier most have to get through when first starting out). For example when Oliver Fox believed his "pineal door" was shut by some external spirits. Anyway Im off to work. Good luck.

[SkepticBoy]

the one time that I did project, I thought to myself, wow everything is so clear. I then looked into the mirror and my face was really distorted, chewing gum, and I had an afro.

LMAO!!! lol sorry

[ancient_one]

hey tl, have you gone to any temples or met up with any teachers? what would you say happens in a normal projection? Is it possible to receive attunements in the astral?

also, what is the most important thing to have, in order to project? would you say the ability to focus? I'm thinking that if you have less than honorable intentions when you project, u'll be shot right out into reality. What do you think?

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the one time that I did project, I thought to myself, wow everything is so clear. I then looked into the mirror and my face was really distorted, chewing gum, and I had an afro. My clarity was fading as I went outside so I asked my higher self to bring me clarity. It never works. Also the mirror wasn't actually in the same place as reality. is this a lower form of projection?

I am not TL, but I remember at least once being at a temple-like setting.  Not a temple as a college or other place of learning with temple-like atmosphere.  The elders, or whoever they were- were very intimidating to me at the time, but I was nervosa for no real reason. They seemed pleased with me, at least right then.  There are other times I have met with similar beings when I felt they were not as pleased.   

[soulslasher6]

I am not TL, but I remember at least once being at a temple-like setting.  Not a temple as a college or other place of learning with temple-like atmosphere.  The elders, or whoever they were- were very intimidating to me at the time, but I was nervosa for no real reason. They seemed pleased with me, at least right then.  There are other times I have met with similar beings when I felt they were not as pleased.   

I remember reading this one story about a guy that astral projected when he was like 5 and got lost. Some elders found him and locked his astral abilities. Anyway, when you are separating from the body what do you see???not when you are separated but after the vibrations and you start lifting and stuff.

[Xanth]

I remember reading this one story about a guy that astral projected when he was like 5 and got lost.  Some elders found him and locked his astral abilities.

A story can sometimes be just a story. 

Anyway, when you are separating from the body what do you see???not when you are separated but after the vibrations and you start lifting and stuff.

Between not separating and separating?
It depends really... depends upon where you're projecting to and if you're actually able to see at that point.

[soulslasher6]

A story can sometimes be just a story. 
Between not separating and separating?
It depends really... depends upon where you're projecting to and if you're actually able to see at that point.

In the middle of exiting the body do you see your ceiling?? A friend of my projected and he said he was missing a lot of stuff in his room. and everything was like purple. Is it possible everything could be very clear, normal color and not missing?