ok guys, this is REALLY REALLY strange/humorous

[dentrakas]

Well this way i had my first obe. Actually i was dreaming of a tv show (me watching). When the introducer said that this show is devoted to Satan and the buzz around his name.
Well that did the trick. I found my self buzzing all over but i slipped back into the dream. Well after a while the buzz came all over and i said the same thing:"I know what this is, i've been practicing it some time alright" And by no means i was floating in the  bedroom...
No pass through walls skill nor floors either. More of a thing i like to remember.
Why Satan gave me the freaks? Well i'am a christian soldier man (give me the music, the food, the place to live in, the place to have a drink, the mood to get horny) It's all fake until some magick words are spelled from the unknown...

dentro yparxei anthropos xoris dentranthropous

[TimeWalker]

haha atlas thats great! No seriously thats kinda exactly what happened to me. The whoosh whoosh sound is right on the money. i did the same thing u did too (rope) I know i wasnt dreaming and im sure you werent either. now if u need furthur assurence let me break it down to you on how i see it.
Ok everyone knows that we naturally project every night when we hit the deep sleep stage, right? right! So anyway say your trying to have a wake induced obe. well this is harder for some then it is for others because it all depends on how you achieve that state. Some people have a really easy time going into trance and reaching that "deep sleep" state. so for them its easy to get the vibrations and what not. but for others (like me) i need to be really really relaxed. So im finding out that the best technique for me is to sleep for 4 hours...wake up and re-orientate myself for like 5 or whatever minutes, then try to obe. its easy for me to drift back off to sleep BUT at the same time, i also get woken up easily (im assuming you are also, but i may be wrong). for instance if someone is coming to my room in the morning to wake me up, im usually up by the time they come in my room. thats how easily i wake up. ok so if we take that into account, lets say we use the technique i just mentioned, and u start to drift back into sleep (again let me add that it is very easy and VERY quick to fall back into deep sleep once you've been sleeping for 4 hours...has to do with REM bla bla) ok so anyway you start to drift back off to sleep..naturally you start to project at the onset of deep sleep, but since you are now semi consiouss and since your a light sleeper...you get awoken by your own vibrations and by these strange sounds. Because of this, your now fully consiouss and aware of whats going on ,and its very easy to further enduce your current state by an exit technique like the rope, of course leading to a consiouss obe. well this seems pretty logical to me and although i havent tested it enough (i will tonight) id like to see if this works for anyone else who is a light sleeper. let me know and best of luck Atlas. hopefully this helped a little
THE END

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Time is merely a perception.

[Atlas]

I agree that it seems like a deep trance is necessary for obe, but the thing that confuses me is that in previous posts, and even in robert's book I believe, he states that only a light trance is necessary, and actually preferred, to have an OBE. It seems like trance would have to be much deeper to me in order to trigger these vibrations and sounds. Good luck to you too, hopefully we're both onto something here.

[TimeWalker]

yeah i dont know either. i can get into a light trance no problem and i never get any obe symptoms. maybe it all depends on the person?

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Time is merely a perception.

[SteppenWolf]

Just in case it works - I have lost all hope that I will manage to have a proper OBE !!!!!!!!!!

Will keep trying though!

Also out of interest - I have been half-woken by light energy vibrations too (not full woken up though!).  Often while having a nap and not very often at night...

[Pe-]

Hi!

Congrats, boys! That was nice
The experience you wrote sounded very familiary for me, because I had my first obes from a dream. I had dealt with obes a lot (during the day), and my mind continued to work on the topic after I fell asleep, so I had my first obes with unconscious mind. Yes, it is true. I was absolutely (?) unconscious. This is why my obe reports are mixed with dreams. I guess that though you can achieve some kind of consciousness with the method you described below (TimeWalker), but it is not enough for conscious projection. You lose your consciousness for seconds, and after some moments, you fall asleep.
The best method is to achieve trance state. Well, it is hard, but you must fight for the ability of conscious projecting. The required exercises: energy, clean surface mind, patience
Practice, practice, and experience!

Pe

[DOA]

I quit i dont think i will ever have a obe!!!  



DOA

[Roger]

Yep, me too, never gonna happen!  

[zugzug]

I might as well give it a shot too...

I'll never have another OBE, I give up!  And I'll never have another lucid dream.  It was just a freak accident.  I quit.

[Mobius]

G,day all, I just can,t believe the way things work, some of you
guys are trying desperately to have OBE,s, while I,m desperately
trying to cut down the amount of times I have them.
Lately its been so often I,m getting annoyed & its interupting
my life in the physical world.About 2 weeks ago they just increased
for no apparent reason, I would only have to sit down or lay down
for a moment to rest,just close my eyelids & BAM straight into an OBE.
The 1st one was great when I was out, but when I came back to my
body it felt like it had copped a beating.The next few were the same
& after about 4 or 5 like that I started dreading going to bed or
laying down on the lounge.
Its happened before & has passed, so I,m sure it will again as I,m
getting tired of it & also I,m setting up a viscious cycle for
myself,by delaying sleep or relaxation.
So Atlas I can understand where Robert was coming from as
sometimes I dont need to be in a trance at all.

Good luck you guys & dont give up, like Timewalker said you have
them every night, when you hit deep sleep REM, your brain is
usually on a Theta level frequency as opposed to your daily
Alpha & Beta waves, so keep trying different things,but you will get
there anyway!

All the best on your journeys

Mobius

[Atlas]

Hi.
Ok just yesterday or two days ago timewalker made a post about how he never thought he would have an OBE, and then the next night, he had one.
I then responded in his "my first obe" post, that the key must be to post a message saying you never think you'll be able to have an OBE, So i said the same thing, pretty much as a joke.
Well guess what.
Right after doing that, I think i had my first OBE this morning. I'm not kidding.
Although i say i THINK because it was not wake induced, so its possible that it oculd have been a dream.
I woke up at about 10:30am because of my dog, and went back to sleep. Suddenly i woke back up again, but this time with a WOOSH WOOSH WOOSH WOOSH in my ears. It literally felt like something was filling my ears. My body was also buzzing, but what really stood out was the wooshing. Anyway, so I thought "Holy S^&t I know what this is" and started to do an exit technique (rope). The tough thing was that I was on my stomach. So i tried, and thought I had failed. So i tried to get up which was VERY difficult (I dont know why), and looked around and I was in a completely different room, actually it was my parents' room. But for some reason I felt EXTREMELY tired, so much so that this didnt even strike me as odd, and i laid back down and immediately woke up in my real body.
Pretty good for a guy who's been trying 5-6 years for an OBE with no success.

This worries me in 2 ways though:
A) I dont think I've been anywhere CLOSE to this in my wake induced attempts. I've had a moderate body buzz before, but not the wooshing in the ears.
B)I have no idea what I'm doing wrong in the wake induced attempts thats holding me back.

Either way though, now that I have SOME idea what I"m working with, maybe I'll have more success. Thanks for the tip time walker, it seems to ahve worked haha. Cya