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quote:Originally posted by Atlas:>>Why do people need a scientist to say it's true?why don't people put some time & effort into it's validity for themselves?<<Well, I for one have spent hours upon hours trying to test its validity for myself with 0 results, so by that I would have to say it is not valid. However, i do believe it is a real phenomenon, that's why for confirmation I would like to see some controlled, consistent successful tests by a scientist who has access to a successful OBEer since I do not.>>As far as I know the scientists still havn't taken up the offer to prove that it DOESNT happen (OBE,s) a $1 million reward as well,why don't they enter into the debate on a level playing field?<<Well, I think the burden of proof here is on the OBEers. I mean I could say i think Saturn is made of cheese but it's up to me to offer proof, not the scientists to prove that it ISNT.cyaAtlas
quote:Originally posted by Atlas:>>It's also rather comical to me, being a scientist, and who recounts to this BBS my controlled, consistent attempts at performing various obe states that you would ask for further "proof". Faith is sadly lacking in you, my friend. <<Frank, no offense meant here mate but I find your claim at being a scientist questionable if you mention "faith". Faith in something requires that it not be provable or have evidence otherwise you "know" it and it is no longer a matter of faith. Science is about facts, reason, rationality, evidence. NOT faith. Faith is the realm of religion and mysticism, not science.Experiments performed by you on yourself can't just be accepted you know. There's no way to avoid bias in that circumstance. Here's an experiment. I will give you my address, We can use TerraServer so that you know how to get here, and I will paste a 5 digit number on my front door. Go into the real time zone and come read it. Now THERE is an experiment!And like i've said, my FAITH , for better or worse, is STRONG! BECAUSE, despite my 0 success rate, despite my issues with this in terms of logic and rationality, I STILL believe this a true phenomenon. That's pretty much faith, since everything rational is telling me this is a load of malarkey. Thanks for the post. CyaAtlas
quote:Why not just be good outright?