Hi,
I posted a thread in 2016 about my experiences trying to obe with techniques from a site called obe4u.com. I ended up listening to affirmations I made with a site called http://www.fromtexttospeech.com/ Within 2 weeks I was recalling 5 to 6 dreams a day and was having at least 2 to 4 lucid dreams a week.
I have obstructive sleep apnea and had a sleep apnea machine. My insurance took it away because they didn't want to pay for it. I'm currently in college and want to astral project (instead of LDing) because I want to learn how to get A's in college from spirit guides/spirits of those like Tesla, Ramanujan, and William James Sidis. I got good grades last semester. I also have some hemi-sync recordings. Also, I just got the obe techniques made by William Buhlman and have yet to listen to it. I also have both versions of Astral Dynamics (print) and have an obe book by Rick Stack. I even have two copies of MAP by Robert Bruce also.
I have to wake with an alarm named Alarmy. It's on the play store and it is pretty good at waking me up. I have four to five Android smartphones I use inside my house for listening to music and waking me up.
I want to know how to wake up in the middle of the night after doing the WBTB technique. Is it good to program myself during the week when not doing the obe4u techniques during the day? I want to use the techniques from obe4u to have an obe, not a LD.
Thanks.
See, this is what I mean by people limit themselves by the labels they use.
You already ARE projecting... 2 to 4 times per week. You're just arbitrarily calling it a lucid dream.
You're consciously aware that you're in the non-physical while you're in the non-physical... that's a projection.
Sounds like you're doing great already!! Better than most people on this forum, in fact. :)
So, you see, there's nothing more you need to do. Just enjoy yourself now. Do what you want to do!
Btw... I *LOVE* that website. I'm gonna have some fun with it. :D hehe
Quote from: Xanth on March 04, 2018, 04:18:46
See, this is what I mean by people limit themselves by the labels they use.
You already ARE projecting... 2 to 4 times per week. You're just arbitrarily calling it a lucid dream.
You're consciously aware that you're in the non-physical while you're in the non-physical... that's a projection.
Sounds like you're doing great already!! Better than most people on this forum, in fact. :)
So, you see, there's nothing more you need to do. Just enjoy yourself now. Do what you want to do!
Btw... I *LOVE* that website. I'm gonna have some fun with it. :D hehe
That was before now I'm rarely if ever even recalling a dream. Also, I know that LD and AP do happen in the same dimension.
I'll post more once there are more replies.
I'm in the process of reading the phasing_primer book. I wanted to ask on pg.30 Eyes Closed / Body Still (EC/BS) State what did you mean when you said that you had 6 experiences in a row? Were those 6 experiences in one day? Or 6 experiences within / over 6 days meaning 1 each day?
This basically explains obe4u's technique in one page. The only difference is that obe4u says to be still upon awakening. Then try to separate for 3 to 5 seconds then if that doesn't work just do minimum two techniques for 3 to 5 seconds each.
Quote from: luffy28 on March 04, 2018, 04:40:49
That was before now I'm rarely if ever even recalling a dream. Also, I know that LD and AP do happen in the same dimension.
No no no no no no no no no...
They don't happen "in the same dimension"... they're the same thing! LOL
This is why you people frustrate the hell out of me... because you get EXACTLY what you're looking for, then you don't believe it simply because it's not the label you're expecting.
*GAHHHHHH!* You're all so stuck on labels!! This is EXACTLY why I tell you to forget about labels... that they hold you back.
You projected! 100%! If you choose not to believe it, then you're only making things harder for yourself.
Perhaps you need that added layer of self-created difficulty. Meh...
QuoteI'll post more once there are more replies.
No. You're just looking for someone to agree with you and tell you that you need to work harder.
You don't. You've attained your goal! *sigh*
Quote from: luffy28 on March 04, 2018, 05:45:20
I'm in the process of reading the phasing_primer book. I wanted to ask on pg.30 Eyes Closed / Body Still (EC/BS) State what did you mean when you said that you had 6 experiences in a row? Were those 6 experiences in one day? Or 6 experiences within / over 6 days meaning 1 each day?
Well... basically... as I explain in the book (rather poorly perhaps? LoL), I was in a projection and I began to feel that I was "waking up" (aka: shifting to the physical)... then as I woke, I managed to figure out to keep my eyes closed and my body completely still and within a few seconds I would shift back into the non-physical, usually, right where I was before I shifted out.
I managed to do this multiple times in a single night. My count was six times in a row that night. I've managed to do it several times since then.
QuoteThis basically explains obe4u's technique in one page. The only difference is that obe4u says to be still upon awakening. Then try to separate for 3 to 5 seconds then if that doesn't work just do minimum two techniques for 3 to 5 seconds each.
Well from my research, it's not exactly a "new" technique. I certainly can't take credit for "discovering it". hehe
It's not enough to simply "be still" upon waking though. You have to retain that air of sleep. So keeping your eyes closed (which is a task in itself upon waking) is paramount.
I've only managed to do it while already coming out of, at least, a non-physical lucid experience. That seems to be the bare minimum required.
Look Xanth, I was exploring Reddit, the worst place for newbie non-physical explorers to ask anything. I was watching the LucidDreaming and Psychic topic and comment wherever I can and help people understand more. In the first subforum I was banned twice and after that I gave up.
What happened is that I tried to tell people that what happens to them in LD's. There are a wagon of questions everyday there related to LD and people
1. have no idea what dreams and LD's are
2. they keep questioning they had LD, is that real and nobody gives them useful answer, only their beliefs and guesses.
Ok we didn't born with the knowledge to know what is what. We all learnt this.
I dared to comment and reply everytime that when I could answer their concern, I told them yes it WAS real, you were conscious in a different reality, people are questioning it because they've read a pile of crap through the net and in books. What people are doing, they are playing with technics, reality checks and thinking that LD's are a childplay until they realize that LD's are not just real and being aware in the NP but they will soon get freaked out from their own fears in any forms and meet helpers, or selves whom they don't know about even a thing and use them as some kind of "subconscious" dream characters. This reminded me Monroe, he pinched people and flown in the air. People are not getting past this stage. They are playing with it and DON'T want to know more.
I talked with around 30-40 people in replies and/or privately and they didn't pass to know more. Actually I was banned because I dared to mention that LD's are only labels as you like to state it also (I have the same opinion after I have big awareness almost in every NP adventures while I'm asleep, I'm way ahead of this label), that LD's, dreams are like AP's etc. It was enough that I dared to mention "astral projection" a few times and the moderators were mad. Because it said me that people have still no idea what are those... dreams, LD, AP, phasing, OBE and more. They are using distinct categories and they are not getting anywhere. Like a dictature. I said some people that Reddit is the worst place to come.
Lumaza may look up on this reply now. People didn't pass the initial tests in their life and also my help or suggestions from just helpfulness. They also asked me about many things and didn't continue. They looked at my blog site, read it but that is all, searching on keywords about what is comfortable to them. People have no idea of what they are playing with. It can be fun sure... but... And the majority is in their teens as I saw it.
Don't misunderstand me, I don't have the attitude to tell anybody what to do, they asked me and I replied on their problems which the most thanked me with smiles.
In the end the most are hopeless, it is no surprise how the vast majority don't even make it to LD's. I was shocked that many people even had NO dreams in their life in 2-3 decades of being in the physical.
Luff the way to get As is to quit wasting your time with OBEs, LDs and all...and focus on studying. The hours you waste preparing, visiting forums....reading....amazing waste of precious study time! You hunt for an easy way out that actually is robbing you blind. And..critically..will never ever...guaranteed!.... give you any kind of ability to increase your marks. Nobody is interested in interfering in your life in any shape or form because it's why you are here. They aren't allowed to out of respect for you and your choice. This life is your attempt to gain experience to help you....it's your choice to be here, to do all you are doing and nobody will take that from you, helping you in any way is controlling you. It isn't gonna happen.
The only way I would say you might be able to increase those marks is by self hypnosis to a state where what you read is absorbed and fully remembered. I was 'lucky' to do this once when I was 6 which scared me enough because I had no idea what happened... Decades later I finally understood what happened was just self hypnosis but by that time I was no longer into studying. It's the reason it's easier to absorb work when relaxed listening to music or something that puts you into a calm state.
As to Phil...I agree with you...but I think that even LDs may be a waste of time since you use this brain trying to understand that dimension which means you run into walls of all types and critically waste a lot of resource because they are forced into acting nursemaids to you because you cause so many problems for yourself. Believe it or not they have busy lives and your attempts to figure out that dimension...which you of course know fully when not in earth brain mode....is a waste of time. I have found that just dream recall is far more than enough and I get recall of what I am actually doing at all levels and that is far far more fascinating and enlightening. And I have a far stronger idea of how things work...amazed sometimes at what I do!.... than when I was thrashing about crudely trying to figure things out. And personally because the dimensions I was going to were so distant I hated the returns through high speed travel through tunnels when I was on my own mission and I didn't have someone helping. I don't know if they were distant or what...but high speed tunnel travel was just too long and too endless. After I was given the warning that sudden death is sometimes unavoidable ...and I had earth responsibilities ...I decided it was not worth the risk. Trying to force myself awake to shorten the journey only caused split consciousness...my lower earth brain half waking, eyes open....with me still whizzing away travelling to it. When someone was with me it was instantaneous ...but you see...they know how...as do I...as does everyone.....when earth brain is not involved.
That's is one thing I learnt. That in fact the body has it's own brain and body and intelligence system.....distinct and very separate to mine. It wants to learn. I know already.
But of course people think they are missing out by not experiencing it...like you are talking rot and keeping things from them on purpose to keep it a secret or something ....so you have to let them find out for themselves. Its show it all works.
I wanted to know if I could do wbtb / and or obe4u with obstructive sleep apnea. Has anyone with any type of sleeping disorder like sleep apnea still been able to do the wbtb technique / obe4u technique?
Thanks.
Quote from: luffy28 on March 04, 2018, 21:28:41
I wanted to know if I could do wbtb / and or obe4u with obstructive sleep apnea. Has anyone with any type of sleeping disorder like sleep apnea still been able to do the wbtb technique / obe4u technique?
Thanks.
If it doesn't get in the way of you actually falling asleep at night... then it shouldn't impede you from projecting. :)
Phildan1,
Yeah, it's kind of driving me mental lately. LOL
They are their own worst enemy.
It's exactly why I try so hard to get people to lose the labels. In the end, they only hold you back.
The goal one should try to have is to simply "be consciously aware while you're non-physical"... that's it. That's the holy grail right there, and when they do it, they still don't believe it.
Quote from: Xanth on March 05, 2018, 04:32:30
Phildan1,
Yeah, it's kind of driving me mental lately. LOL
They are their own worst enemy.
It's exactly why I try so hard to get people to lose the labels. In the end, they only hold you back.
The goal one should try to have is to simply "be consciously aware while you're non-physical"... that's it. That's the holy grail right there, and when they do it, they still don't believe it.
I guess projection is whatever we think it is as individuals. I have been consciously aware while I'm in non-physical so many times. I still didn't experience what I think astral projection is if I was a first time poster. Maybe the best way I can describe it is that it is supposed to achieve a certain result on ones mind. For me it might be something like self actualization. I want to completely actualize everything about my astral experience instead of just participating or modifying. Explore the abstraction of consciousness. Communicate with beings. Be convinced of something to the core.
We ask for astral projection but I suspect what we really seek is astral prime. What is the thing that lucid dreams don't live up to in our minds? It might be that the experience is too limited compared to our awake imagination. We see the ability to create reality while asleep, and the ability to make clear decisions in a reality while awake, but usually exclusively. The idea to combine them is there for us to find.
I think this label thing is stuck in our head or for the most (even in mine a little bit) like AP or phasing because they are achieved by ourselves and that is what people want, DIY. Do it by themselves, and go to the NP without a blackout. Well I'm working on it too.
But I saw is terrible. Maybe the age group is teens, I don't know. People have no idea that they are in the NP and doing whatever they would like to like a child playing a virtual game. As I saw a fashion is spreading like reality check culture fashion, don't knowing still that a certain person was aware in the NP in LD, questioning it while they knew it is real etc. I don't know, I don't want to tell anybody that they should do this and that, I'm far from it but these people ask for help. When somebody ask me for help I tell what they experience, then a zillion other people will continue to post out their nightmares and concerns and have no idea what they are doing. Those books, net sources and people are really not doing anything good with their materials. And I was labeled I'm spreading PARANORMAL, and don't use "astral projection" in the LucidDreaming category (wtf???). Also it was called esoteric BS and science. I was just hugging my face, we are still in the dark ages. People will be interested in more and soon they just stop and continue what they did or where they stuck. It is their business, I know it and I don't force anything on anybody. It was an interesting trial. People really don't need help, well I've learnt by myself too.
I didn't get much sleep last night. I noticed that when I did sleep, for the 3 hours I was asleep a lot of it was like a video game / animation. I had two vivid lucid dream type experiences. One was where I was in a forest but the setting was like a suburban neighborhood with people in it. This experience was real. The other experience was like that of a very realistic video game. The experience was spider-man and Harry Osborne (PP's best friend from the comics) fighting. Harry Osborne turned into sand man and he and spider-man were fighting. It was like watching TV or playing a video game. I didn't notice / remember it till about 30 minutes prior to this post.
I wanted to also know how to know the difference between the NP and physical? The reason I'm asking is that I don't notice (especially during a dream state) when I'm in the NP. When I've had lucid dreams I've felt like I'm controlling it 80-85% of the time at the most. I also want to know what type of signs I can tell myself (or notice) when I'm in the NP. The reason I'm asking is that I know the NP is / can be virtually like the physical when it comes to senses / perceptions etc...
Thanks.
It can be the same, maybe more real than the physical, I experience it a lot. At the beginning of any scenery if you managed to be aware anything, it takes observational experience and still you won't know for sure that you are seemingly walking from one reality into the other, the shift between worlds is really quick for me, I don't notice them for first. I've learnt that there are no really big differences, maybe that we are here in an intensive focus and we got used to this physical world from the countless ones. I guess your NP self or the system tries to show you that other worlds or realities are as real as any other. It still amazes me too and it only takes intent to achieve bigger awareness in them - even if it just daily mind noise.
So noticing that you are there... well if you are doing it under regular sleep like me, it takes a while, maybe the whole scenery is 3/4 way over (I hate it because not so much "time" left and I tend to mess it up many times with even a slight thought of my physical self here, his memories etc) already when you realize yourself lol. If you have the intent to be aware, I think somebody will help you with various or nonsense tools. But everybody is different. Maybe you will see a relative (sibling or parent) three times at the same place (lol) or shoot blasts from your hands and it does the trick.
Quote from: luffy28 on March 06, 2018, 18:37:12
I wanted to also know how to know the difference between the NP and physical? The reason I'm asking is that I don't notice (especially during a dream state) when I'm in the NP. When I've had lucid dreams I've felt like I'm controlling it 80-85% of the time at the most. I also want to know what type of signs I can tell myself (or notice) when I'm in the NP. The reason I'm asking is that I know the NP is / can be virtually like the physical when it comes to senses / perceptions etc...
Thanks.
Two suggestions:
1. Try to do things that yo can't do in the physical, like flying.
2. Try to remember how you got in the situation you are. You probably won't if you're dreaming.
Quote from: baro-san on March 06, 2018, 21:16:41
Two suggestions:
1. Try to do things that yo can't do in the physical, like flying.
2. Try to remember how you got in the situation you are. You probably won't if you're dreaming.
Would I be better off doing it with visualizations? I don' know how I would be able for example try flying in the physical. Could you describe how you would attempt flying (or morphing into another person)?
Thanks.
Quote from: luffy28 on March 08, 2018, 18:01:44
Would I be better off doing it with visualizations? I don' know how I would be able for example try flying in the physical. Could you describe how you would attempt flying (or morphing into another person)?
Thanks.
Will yourself up, with the expectation to happen. Mentally prepare to lift off. It isn't about visualization here, it is about feeling and expectation.
Once you did it during a projection, or a dream, you'll know the feeling. It might be a little like when you dived in water, to the bottom, and you feel lighter, floating toward the surface.
Right, at some point you're no longer visualizing and you're DOING in the same manner you do anything else in your life.
At some point that visualization kicks "on" your projection reflex and you'll be "elsewhere" projecting.
Quote from: Phildan1 on March 06, 2018, 19:38:22
It can be the same, maybe more real than the physical, I experience it a lot. At the beginning of any scenery if you managed to be aware anything, it takes observational experience and still you won't know for sure that you are seemingly walking from one reality into the other, the shift between worlds is really quick for me, I don't notice them for first. I've learnt that there are no really big differences, maybe that we are here in an intensive focus and we got used to this physical world from the countless ones. I guess your NP self or the system tries to show you that other worlds or realities are as real as any other. It still amazes me too and it only takes intent to achieve bigger awareness in them - even if it just daily mind noise.
So noticing that you are there... well if you are doing it under regular sleep like me, it takes a while, maybe the whole scenery is 3/4 way over (I hate it because not so much "time" left and I tend to mess it up many times with even a slight thought of my physical self here, his memories etc) already when you realize yourself lol. If you have the intent to be aware, I think somebody will help you with various or nonsense tools. But everybody is different. Maybe you will see a relative (sibling or parent) three times at the same place (lol) or shoot blasts from your hands and it does the trick.
This is basically my experience also. The reason I don't / can't notice the NP is because it's too realistic. Also when experiencing things that can't happen in the physical world or unusual experiences like the spiderman experience. I'm so used to seeing it be so real in the movies (even though the movies are fake like wrestling) it feels like I'm watching a movie and my consciousness just treats it like a vivid dream experience.
I don't want to post another post. I want to know experiences accessing the NP from a non-back (or regular sleeping position) positions? The reason I'm asking is that when most people think of NP experiences they think laying on their back. I'm trying to do a visualization exercise I'm reading in a book called Out of body adventures by Rick Stack.
Thanks.
Hey Luffy
I also have sleep apnea which interferes with breathing while lying on my back. The only thing i do is turn my head left or right to open the passages better yet they still slightly close which isnt good when you try to hover at the sleep/wake state. As far as Radugas technique.....as soon as you awaken in the morning and remember you are trying to go ob, then simply relax enough as if you were trying to go back asleep BUT remain conscious. My problem with Radugas technique is i am usually unable to remember that i wanted to attemt an obe before its to late and i have awoken to much. You need to stay right at that sleep/wake line without awakening to much. When i am able to do this i get vibrations in which i am just recently learning exit texhniques. Good luck and keep trying!
Quote from: Rconrad on March 11, 2018, 21:29:26
Hey Luffy
I also have sleep apnea which interferes with breathing while lying on my back. The only thing i do is turn my head left or right to open the passages better yet they still slightly close which isnt good when you try to hover at the sleep/wake state. As far as Radugas technique.....as soon as you awaken in the morning and remember you are trying to go ob, then simply relax enough as if you were trying to go back asleep BUT remain conscious. My problem with Radugas technique is i am usually unable to remember that i wanted to attemt an obe before its to late and i have awoken to much. You need to stay right at that sleep/wake line without awakening to much. When i am able to do this i get vibrations in which i am just recently learning exit texhniques. Good luck and keep trying!
Thanks for the input. One technique I'm trying is a combination of visualization and affirmations. Saying them out loud and combining it with visualization.
I'm reading a book called out of body adventures by Rick Stack. It's pretty good and features the same technique as obe4u. The only difference is that it doesn't tell you to cycle through techniques.
Last night I set an alarm for 4.5 to 5 hours after sleep. When the alarm went off I went back to bed and didn't attempt anything. I also had another smartphone and shut if off because of the loud sound.
Any advice?
Thanks.
Quote from: luffy28 on March 13, 2018, 22:03:46
Last night I set an alarm for 4.5 to 5 hours after sleep. When the alarm went off I went back to bed and didn't attempt anything. I also had another smartphone and shut if off because of the loud sound.
Any advice?
Thanks.
Sounds like you started with the intent to do something in the middle of the night but you were too sleepy to carry through. I have done this before. Our bodies don't like being woken up except at the end of these ~3 hour sleep cycles. There are apps that measure your breathing and wake you up based on these cycles but they don't work very well in my experience. Next time I try this I will set an alarm and set the phone up with a 5 minute reoccurring snooze. That way you can dismiss it over and over but it will keep coming back until you are ready to go.
Quote from: luffy28 on March 13, 2018, 22:03:46
Last night I set an alarm for 4.5 to 5 hours after sleep. When the alarm went off I went back to bed and didn't attempt anything. I also had another smartphone and shut if off because of the loud sound.
Any advice?
Thanks.
Each and every one of us have our own "internal clocks". I see you are using affirmations. I wonder some time if people just go through the action of just thinking a quick mental affirmation or if they really put "effort" into it. There is a difference. Just saying mentally saying without feeling, is going to have you go back to sleep no matter what clock is used to awaken you. Thinking and focusing on it with real meaning, purpose and emotion will have you staying awake.
When I use a affirmation, I visualize the letters in the chosen affirmation as well. I spend a bit more time on my chosen focus, then just going through the motions. I notice there is a big difference between going through the motions of just saying "I will be aware in my Dreams" and really "believing it" and putting a charge into it.
Quote from: Lumaza on March 14, 2018, 08:06:53
Each and every one of have our own "internal clocks". I see you are using affirmations. I wonder some time if people just go through the action of just thinking a quick mental affirmation or if they really put "effort" into it. There is a difference. Just saying mentally saying without feeling, is going to have you go back to sleep no matter what clock is used to awaken you. Thinking and focusing on it with real meaning, purpose and emotion will have you staying awake.
When I use a affirmation, I visualize the letters in the chosen affirmation as well. I spend a bit more time on my chosen focus, then just going through the motions. I notice there is a big difference between going through the motions of just saying "I will be aware in my Dreams" and really "believing it" and putting a charge into it.
For affirmations to work, you have to firstly open a communication path with your subconscious, then formulate your suggestion. For opening a path, the quickest and most reliable method is self hypnosis, in my experience.
Quote from: ThaomasOfGrey on March 13, 2018, 22:27:34
Sounds like you started with the intent to do something in the middle of the night but you were too sleepy to carry through. I have done this before. Our bodies don't like being woken up except at the end of these ~3 hour sleep cycles. There are apps that measure your breathing and wake you up based on these cycles but they don't work very well in my experience. Next time I try this I will set an alarm and set the phone up with a 5 minute reoccurring snooze. That way you can dismiss it over and over but it will keep coming back until you are ready to go.
What app(s) on android do this for free?
Thanks.
I think I used this one: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.northcube.sleepcycle&hl=en_GB
There are many free options out there, probably better apps, search for sleep cycle.
Quote from: ThaomasOfGrey on March 15, 2018, 00:19:23
I think I used this one: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.northcube.sleepcycle&hl=en_GB
There are many free options out there, probably better apps, search for sleep cycle.
You guys really do underestimate your natural abilities! :| If you use technology this way, you are learning to "rely" on "it", the technology, which negates "effort".
Quote from: Lumaza on March 14, 2018, 08:06:53
Each and every one of us have our own "internal clocks". I see you are using affirmations. I wonder some time if people just go through the action of just thinking a quick mental affirmation or if they really put "effort" into it. There is a difference. Just saying mentally saying without feeling, is going to have you go back to sleep no matter what clock is used to awaken you. Thinking and focusing on it with real meaning, purpose and emotion will have you staying awake.
When I use a affirmation, I visualize the letters in the chosen affirmation as well. I spend a bit more time on my chosen focus, then just going through the motions. I notice there is a big difference between going through the motions of just saying "I will be aware in my Dreams" and really "believing it" and putting a charge into it.
I've been trying to do it in combination with a picture of myself doing it. It took me minimum 2 to 3 days to erase the fear of seeing myself out of my body.
Quote from: Lumaza on March 15, 2018, 01:13:43
You guys really do underestimate your natural abilities! :| If you use technology this way, you are learning to "rely" on "it", the technology, which negates "effort".
A few weeks ago on the Connecting Consciousness podcast they spoke about a skill that some humans posses called wayfaring. It is the ability to basically find your way by intuition. Most taxi drivers have it, but it is far less prominent today because of maps and GPS navigation.
Supposedly without that dependency we would find our way via intuition. I decided to put it to the test and not use my GPS, I bet you can guess I got lost and was late to my appointment.
The idea to use affirmations to wake myself up in the middle of the night simply never entered my consciousness seriously. Maybe its because of a technology mindset, maybe also because I exist in a state of perpetual sleep deprivation affirmations would be unlikely to work.
Use of technology just seems like a balancing act. We could go back to tilling the fields by hand but then there is no time for astral projection.
Suppose I set myself up 1 night per week to sleep in a separate location and perform this Vigil technique. Would it be smart to rely on affirmations and potentially sleep through my chance for this week? That's the way I look at it anyway. The GPS gets me to the location I need to be to do what truly matters on that day. The alarm ensures I will get a chance to complete my goal.
I'm still a true believer in affirmations though. They work pretty well for me with lucid dreaming but there is definitely a limit to how reliable the results will be based on what you demand. I can ask for lucid dreams and dream recollection and it will work better each day, but there are some things like asking for specific experiences in AP that never seem to come true in the same way.
Quote from: Lumaza on March 15, 2018, 01:13:43
You guys really do underestimate your natural abilities! :| If you use technology this way, you are learning to "rely" on "it", the technology, which negates "effort".
I think the only technology I'll be using is alarms. Mostly because I looked at the sleep cycle apps and didn't understand it.
Also are there any people with sleep apnea that have been successful with the obe4u techniques?
I've been setting an alarm for 4.5 to 5 hours after sleep. I had to set it to take a picture because I kept using the shaking option and fell back to sleep. I also am going to stay up for 20 to 25 minutes and then set alarms every 40 minutes until I awaken between 8 and 9 am.
I'm going to use this alarm for the 40 min awakenings.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.splunchy.android.alarmclock
Wish me luck. :roll:
Quote from: luffy28 on March 13, 2018, 22:03:46
Last night I set an alarm for 4.5 to 5 hours after sleep. When the alarm went off I went back to bed and didn't attempt anything. I also had another smartphone and shut if off because of the loud sound.
Any advice?
Thanks.
I'll just pass along what I've read about wbtb, if you fall right back to sleep after 4.5-5hrs, then you didn't get enough sleep, so now try 6hrs. You are like a scientist testing things out. If 6hrs makes you too awake, then adjust down between again. Changing length of being up is other option during wbtb.
Also, my wife has sleep apnea and went un-diagnosed for decades. She has a machine now though. Something I did get for her that you might want to look into is a essential oil mist diffuser and search for essential oils that could help with breathing like eucalyptus oil or I read maybe Thyme. If your overweight that will be a factor too for breathing. My 2 cents.
Quote from: Yodad on March 17, 2018, 03:14:45
I'll just pass along what I've read about wbtb, if you fall right back to sleep after 4.5-5hrs, then you didn't get enough sleep, so now try 6hrs. You are like a scientist testing things out. If 6hrs makes you too awake, then adjust down between again. Changing length of being up is other option during wbtb.
Also, my wife has sleep apnea and went un-diagnosed for decades. She has a machine now though. Something I did get for her that you might want to look into is a essential oil mist diffuser and search for essential oils that could help with breathing like eucalyptus oil or I read maybe Thyme. If your overweight that will be a factor too for breathing. My 2 cents.
Thanks,
I'm a bit overweight with a combination of diabetes (type 2) and mental illness. Last night when I tried getting up I tried to go to sleep with an intention to wake back up during the night. It didn't work. I'm going to try to do the alarm technique (which means waking up with an alarm).
Here is Raduga's verision of what he did
http://obe4u.com/how-to-astral-project-micro-sleep/#more-3010
Thanks.
Last night I got up and stayed up for 25-30 mins. I then went back to sleep. The first two times I tried cycling and nothing worked. By the fourth/fifth time, I was fully awakened.
Quote from: luffy28 on March 18, 2018, 23:30:16
Last night I got up and stayed up for 25-30 mins. I then went back to sleep. The first two times I tried cycling and nothing worked. By the fourth/fifth time, I was fully awakened.
I thought that Raduga advised "cycling" immediately after you awake, before making any physical move.
Quote from: baro-san on March 19, 2018, 05:12:11
I thought that Raduga advised "cycling" immediately after you awake, before making any physical move.
Well, the trick is not moving upon waking. Literally, not moving a muscle.
It's a lot harder than it sounds. LoL
Quote from: baro-san on March 19, 2018, 05:12:11
I thought that Raduga advised "cycling" immediately after you awake, before making any physical move.
Well that night I got up with an alarm (alarmy is the app on the play-store). I then set it up for every 45 minutes with another app called AlarmDroid. The first two times the alarm awakened me I forgot to separate and tried to do cycling techniques. Between the 3rd and 4th time I ended up fully awakening.
Any advice?
Thanks.
Hi,
I just got adventures beyond the body in the mail. I've been reading a version I checked out at the library. I want to know whether I can do the techniques Monday through Friday and then do/try the obe4u techniques on Saturday / Sunday? The reason I'm asking is that I think it's my favorite book about astral projection (the only other books I would consider on its level are Robert Bruce's writings / the free obe4u book). I know he says in the book to do it every day for 21 - 30 days, but I have school now until May and can only do the obe4u techniques 1 to 2 times a week. Also, could anyone tell me their experiences with getting obes with adventures beyond the body? Does William Buhlman teach how to do what Raduga calls direct techniques where you can do it without having to do indirect techniques? In other words, doing it without sleep.
Thanks.
Quote from: Lumaza on March 14, 2018, 08:06:53
Each and every one of us have our own "internal clocks". I see you are using affirmations. I wonder some time if people just go through the action of just thinking a quick mental affirmation or if they really put "effort" into it. There is a difference. Just saying mentally saying without feeling, is going to have you go back to sleep no matter what clock is used to awaken you. Thinking and focusing on it with real meaning, purpose and emotion will have you staying awake.
When I use a affirmation, I visualize the letters in the chosen affirmation as well. I spend a bit more time on my chosen focus, then just going through the motions. I notice there is a big difference between going through the motions of just saying "I will be aware in my Dreams" and really "believing it" and putting a charge into it.
Looking back at this this is what I remembering using the last time I was recalling 4 to 5 dreams a day. Can you offer deeper information / links to websites that explain this?
Thanks.
Quote from: luffy28 on April 17, 2018, 18:24:56
Looking back at this this is what I remembering using the last time I was recalling 4 to 5 dreams a day. Can you offer deeper information / links to websites that explain this?
Thanks.
:? :? :?
I don't know how I can explain it any simpler than I said above. Try reading it again. It's basic common sense! :wink:
Hi,
I just got off school (still doing some work but not too much) and now I have more free time. I posted under another name zolo89 on Reddit and this topic was created.
Tell me what you think especially about the part of putting classical music as an alarm waker-upper.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/8f48f4/cant_attempt_to_project_ld_with_wbtb_technique/
Hi,
I didn't want to start another thread because I think it would be a waste of time. I wanted to ask how to catch myself awakening during the night while/before trying to do the obe4u techniques? I want to know if anyone thinks recorded affirmations (with a robot voice) is good?
These are my affirmations:
I stay still immediately upon awakening.
Immediately upon awakening, I practice the phase.
I awaken multiple times during sleep to practice the phase.
The first thing I do when awakening is practicing the phase.
I don't move upon awakening.
Every day upon awakening I practice the phase.
The first thing that's on my mind when awakening is the phase.
During sleep, I automatically awaken to practice the phase.
I automatically awaken during sleep to practice the phase.
Should I focus on
I awaken multiple times during sleep to practice the phase.
mostly?
Thanks.
Quote from: luffy28 on October 25, 2018, 04:23:43
Hi,
I didn't want to start another thread because I think it would be a waste of time. I wanted to ask how to catch myself awakening during the night while/before trying to do the obe4u techniques? I want to know if anyone thinks recorded affirmations (with a robot voice) is good?
These are my affirmations:
I stay still immediately upon awakening.
Immediately upon awakening, I practice the phase.
I awaken multiple times during sleep to practice the phase.
The first thing I do when awakening is practicing the phase.
I don't move upon awakening.
Every day upon awakening I practice the phase.
The first thing that's on my mind when awakening is the phase.
During sleep, I automatically awaken to practice the phase.
I automatically awaken during sleep to practice the phase.
Should I focus on
I awaken multiple times during sleep to practice the phase.
mostly?
Thanks.
If you use affirmations, then use them for whatever you want to achieve!
Your above affirmations seem to focus
on the process of initiating phasing, and not on
actually having successfully phased.
If your above affirmations are fulfilled by your subconscious you'll try a lot to phase, but might not phase at all.
Quote from: baro-san on October 25, 2018, 04:36:57
If you use affirmations, then use them for whatever you want to achieve!
Your above affirmations seem to focus on the process of initiating phasing, and not on actually having successfully phased.
If your above affirmations are fulfilled by your subconscious you'll try a lot to phase, but might not phase at all.
Could you or anyone else edit the affirmations so they could be more effective? I would like it to be all of them, but it could especially be
I stay still immediately upon awakening.
Immediately upon awakening, I practice the phase.
I awaken multiple times during sleep to practice the phase.
Thanks.
I enjoy phasing
I phase easily
I remember my phase sessions
Phasing comes easily to me
When I phase I enjoy the process
...
Try those. Maybe someone else will have some suggestions. You don't want your sessions to be about trying. You want them to reflect success. Baro-san is right about that.
Thanks,
If anyone else could make more affirmations that would be good. I like the first four.
My affirmation is
I remain aware while falling asleep
The most important thing is not to just repeat it a hundred times, but as you are saying it in your mind really THINK what does it mean. What does it really mean to remain awake and aware as you fall asleep. You have to believe that the affirmation is working and not just hope that it will work. Just like you know without questioning that the sun will rise tomorrow, apply the same firm believe as much as you can (I know it is not the same, but try with intent)
The second important thing is to think of this and repeat it WHILE you are falling asleep. Let that be your last conscious thought.
Quote from: LightBeam on October 26, 2018, 06:50:07
My affirmation is
I remain aware while falling asleep
The most important thing is not to just repeat it a hundred times, but as you are saying it in your mind really THINK what does it mean. What does it really mean to remain awake and aware as you fall asleep. You have to believe that the affirmation is working and not just hope that it will work. Just like you know without questioning that the sun will rise tomorrow, apply the same firm believe as much as you can (I know it is not the same, but try with intent)
The second important thing is to think of this and repeat it WHILE you are falling asleep. Let that be your last conscious thought.
Thanks,
I think that's the technique where you watch yourself go to sleep. I've tried that technique and most of the time it didn't work/made me stay up and I couldn't sleep until I had no thoughts.
Edit: Could you or anyone else explain the second important thing in more detail?
Thanks.
Just a quick reply with something ive had success with Luff AND I have sleep apnea. As far as sleep apnea goes simply lay on your left or right side so your throat doesnt collapse. As far as technique do you have a phone with a voice memos app for voice recordings? Record 4 hours of silence and then edit the recording where one alarm goes off in 20 minute intervals after the first hour or so of silence. You dont want an alarm that blasts you out of bed and fully awakens you that you need to turn off yourself. You want an alarm that gently rouses you from sleep and awakens you so you are slightly aware. Then relax as if going back to sleep and monitor/explore that sleep/wake line for sounds or energy sensations. After the first hour of silence in the recording set several alarms in 20 minute or less intervals so you have seberal chances to awaken at the sleep/wake line because that is where the obe ohenomenon resides. With trial and error you can adjust the volume of the "ramp timer" alarms so they only gently rouse you from sleep. Also-you will need to change the actual sound of the alarms after your mind becomes accustomed to them because it will sleep thru them knce it has. My ramp timer had several different sounds in each recording and i have several recordings with different incremental alarms so as to switch things up. Ive had much success with this technique but im semi retired so i dont always need to get a solid 8 hrs. sleep either! You must be diligent in doing this so as to familiarise yourself with that area of consciousness. Good luck!
Thanks,
I'd need to know what app to use to do this? I have four Android phones. Can you recommend an app that'll do this? Also, I have Audacity on my computer. I thought this board was gone forever because of the error that kept coming up. Thank goodness it was fixed.
I also wanted to ask if anyone could post a guide (or a link) so I can make certain characters/people appear in my dreams?
Thanks.
I bet you could use javascript to get this done... I do not know about apps
Tried learning Javascript once my math skills are too low (around middle school level).
Thanks anyway.
You need a "tape recorder" luff. It is very simple. Its called "voice memos" on the iphone which the app store has a zillion tape recorder apps which im sure google has even more. Or simply buy one of those cheap digital recorders at walmart. The point of the "ramp timer" is to gently rouse you from sleep without blowing you out of bed. If you have 10 alarms set in a four hour period, five of them most likely wont even wake you up at all because they must be gentle alarms so as to not awaken you fully. But once you do gently rouse from sleep from one of the alarms and become conscious, you MUST then immediatley relax as if you were going back to sleep. It is in that small window that you will sometimes experience enrgy sensations or strange sounds, which turn into vibrations IF you relax and dont fully awaken. You are trying to stay awake and aware during the theta brainwave state. If you really wanna do this then get creative bro.
Quote from: Windwalker. on November 05, 2018, 18:23:33
You need a "tape recorder" luff. It is very simple. Its called "voice memos" on the iphone which the app store has a zillion tape recorder apps which im sure google has even more. Or simply buy one of those cheap digital recorders at walmart. The point of the "ramp timer" is to gently rouse you from sleep without blowing you out of bed. If you have 10 alarms set in a four hour period, five of them most likely wont even wake you up at all because they must be gentle alarms so as to not awaken you fully. But once you do gently rouse from sleep from one of the alarms and become conscious, you MUST then immediatley relax as if you were going back to sleep. It is in that small window that you will sometimes experience enrgy sensations or strange sounds, which turn into vibrations IF you relax and dont fully awaken. You are trying to stay awake and aware during the theta brainwave state. If you really wanna do this then get creative bro.
Thanks. Can't I just use the tape recorder on an android? Also, I wanted to know the type (or name) of an app I can get on google play.
I was going to also post this before I caught your response.
Found a couple of hours of silence from YouTube. Can someone guide me (or give a link) of what types of sounds I should put onto/ into/between the silence once I've downloaded it for personal use?
Thanks.
Edit: Is this the app you were talking about?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.skl.voicememos&hl=en_US
Quote from: Windwalker. on November 03, 2018, 18:25:54
Just a quick reply with something ive had success with Luff AND I have sleep apnea. As far as sleep apnea goes simply lay on your left or right side so your throat doesnt collapse. As far as technique do you have a phone with a voice memos app for voice recordings? Record 4 hours of silence and then edit the recording where one alarm goes off in 20 minute intervals after the first hour or so of silence. You dont want an alarm that blasts you out of bed and fully awakens you that you need to turn off yourself. You want an alarm that gently rouses you from sleep and awakens you so you are slightly aware. Then relax as if going back to sleep and monitor/explore that sleep/wake line for sounds or energy sensations. After the first hour of silence in the recording set several alarms in 20 minute or less intervals so you have seberal chances to awaken at the sleep/wake line because that is where the obe ohenomenon resides. With trial and error you can adjust the volume of the "ramp timer" alarms so they only gently rouse you from sleep. Also-you will need to change the actual sound of the alarms after your mind becomes accustomed to them because it will sleep thru them knce it has. My ramp timer had several different sounds in each recording and i have several recordings with different incremental alarms so as to switch things up. Ive had much success with this technique but im semi retired so i dont always need to get a solid 8 hrs. sleep either! You must be diligent in doing this so as to familiarise yourself with that area of consciousness. Good luck!
Do you (or anyone else) know what app I can use to play this during sleep once I have it edited?
Thanks.
Quote from: Xanth on March 05, 2018, 04:32:30
Phildan1,
Yeah, it's kind of driving me mental lately. LOL
They are their own worst enemy.
It's exactly why I try so hard to get people to lose the labels. In the end, they only hold you back.
The goal one should try to have is to simply "be consciously aware while you're non-physical"... that's it. That's the holy grail right there, and when they do it, they still don't believe it.
Xanth....
Reading your posts about loosing labels.... is there any sticky or other details post you have put out?
I have been thinking this lately and its funny I come across your posts like this. And everyone is looking for a "technique" to help them through.
I myself am guilty of the as well up till about a month ago I realized that its not the tips, tricks or technique that works... Its all in your mind!
Luff
Why do you need an app when you already have a recorder in your phone? You can easily do this by yourself without getting an app. You can record silence by yourself without getting an app. Record the silence and then edit the recorded silence to install the alarms in the intervals you want. Here is a quick example of a ramp timer. This timer is 60 minutes of silence followed by five minite incremetal alarms which i believe is way to close together but again, get creative with what you think is best for you. You can even use the alarms from this youtube ramp timer as the alarm on your self created ramp timer by recording the sound. Understand? Good luck!
https://youtu.be/CDii1W60HBg
Quote from: Windwalker. on November 05, 2018, 21:53:49
Luff
Why do you need an app when you already have a recorder in your phone? You can easily do this by yourself without getting an app. You can record silence by yourself without getting an app. Record the silence and then edit the recorded silence to install the alarms in the intervals you want. Here is a quick example of a ramp timer. This timer is 60 minutes of silence followed by five minite incremetal alarms which i believe is way to close together but again, get creative with what you think is best for you. You can even use the alarms from this youtube ramp timer as the alarm on your self created ramp timer by recording the sound. Understand? Good luck!
https://youtu.be/CDii1W60HBg
I was just asking about the app because I don't know how to play the audio while asleep.
For the example you gave the first alarm came in at 1:09:50
Thanks.
Maybe there is a place for "code" on the forums? I gave writing a script to wait 4 hours then play an audio file over and over every 20 minutes a hack. It works but its not very refined like an experienced programmer would write its more something I would use myself (maybe).
<!DOCTYPE html>
<!--
Author: Smertrios
Date: November 5, 2018
Purpose: javascript for delays and sound files. this script
(after editing) will wait 4 hours then start playing an audio
file every 20 minutes. check the comments for information on
how to edit.
Note: its more complicated than it looks because of "policies"
which are basically hidden rules secretely imposed on new
scripters to make life more difficult by forcing the scripter
to search for reasons why the "simple" script they have typed
in is not working.
For instance I had to add a start button so there would be
"interaction with the page" before playing a sound file and how
the element reference returned by getElementById was defined
at the "global" level before it could be used in a function.
Rumor has it that "one does not simply play... an audio file"
How to use this script?
create a directory with this file saved as test.html and 2 other
audio files named testing.wav and audio1.wav. When you open
test.html in your browser and click the start button it will
play testing.wav to show that audio is working and then start
playing audio1.wav every 20 minutes (after a 4 hour delay *and*
after this file has had the delays I used for testing changed)
-->
<html>
<body>
<button onclick="fn0()" type="button">Start</button> Reload page to "STOP"<br>
<h1 id="timer">Time: 0:0:0</h1>
<!-- define the audio -->
testing.wav<br>
<audio id="testing" controls src="testing.wav" type="audio/wav"></audio><br>
<script>var testing=document.getElementById('testing');</script>
audio1.wav<br>
<audio id="audio1" controls src="audio1.wav" type="audio/wav"></audio><br>
<script>var audio1=document.getElementById('audio1');</script>
<!-- some "helper" vars and routines -->
<script>
var counter;
var hours=function(t){return t*minutes(60);}
var minutes=function(t){return t*seconds(60);}
var seconds=function(t){return t*1000;}
</script>
<script>
var fn0=function(){
counter=0;
// change to hours(4) for 4 hour delay before running fn1()
setTimeout(fn1,seconds(5));
counter++;
document.body.innerHTML+=counter+" initial 4 hour delay started<br>"
// make sure audio is working by playing a "test" sound
testing.play();
counter++;
document.body.innerHTML+=counter+" playing \"testing\" sound file<br>";
// START TIMER
setInterval(onTimer,1000);
}
</script>
<script>
var fn1=function(){
setTimeout(fn2,0);
counter++;
document.body.innerHTML+=counter+" initial 4 hour delay finished<br>"
}
</script>
<script>
var fn2=function(){
// change to minutes(20) for a 20 minute delay before running fn2() again
setTimeout(fn2,seconds(5));
audio1.play();
counter++;
document.body.innerHTML+=counter+" playing \"audio1\" every 20 minutes<br>"
}
</script>
<script>
var Timer=0;
var onTimer=function()
{
Timer+=1;
var temp=Timer;
var hours=Math.floor(temp/3600);
temp-=hours*3600;
var minutes=Math.floor(temp/60);
temp-=minutes*60;
var seconds=temp;
var ele=document.querySelector('#timer');
ele.innerHTML='Time: '+hours+':'+minutes+':'+seconds;
}
</script>
</body>
</html>
Thanks,
Would I be able to turn the code into an mp3? Also I'll try making my own on / with Audacity.
Thanks.
Quote from: luffy28 on November 06, 2018, 14:01:10
I was just asking about the app because I don't know how to play the audio while asleep.
For the example you gave the first alarm came in at 1:09:50
Thanks.
You play the audio directly from your phones recorder by pressing "play." Put your phone on "speaker" mode so you can actually hear the alarms. Then you lay your phone close to you while you sleep with the recorder running. Im not sure why this is so difficult to understand Luff.
Thanks,
I'm just not as good with technology as I am with computers.
Thanks.
Quote from: luffy28 on November 06, 2018, 16:57:59
Thanks,
I'm just not as good with technology as I am with computers.
Thanks.
PM me if you need assistance. Its super easy to do. Good luck!
Quote from: Windwalker. on November 06, 2018, 17:18:35
PM me if you need assistance. Its super easy to do. Good luck!
One clarification should / could I play it on an mp3 player app?
Thanks.
changing the .wav to .mp3 and the audio/wav to audio/mpeg for both files should do it
<audio id="testing" controls src="testing.mp3" type="audio/mpeg">
Instead of just downloading from YouTube (or having 4 hours of silence) I think I'd be better if I just got 1 hour of silence and then repeat that for four to six hours.
Thanks.
Edit: Just finished putting together a simple track in audacity for an hour I got from YouTube.
Tried doing the technique last night. Didn't get anything done. I set the alarm for 5 hours after I awoke. I just turned off the alarm and went back to sleep. The alarm I used is called Alarmy.
Any advice?
Thanks.
What do you mean you "turned off the alarm?" You have an alarm set that continues to ring until you turn it off?
Quote from: Windwalker. on November 11, 2018, 23:00:50
What do you mean you "turned off the alarm?" You have an alarm set that continues to ring until you turn it off?
I tried doing the technique on obe4u where you awake after 6 hours and stay awake / read and think about the phase.
https://obe4u.com/how-to-lucid-dream/
The first two steps can be skipped.
Any advice?
Thanks.
Quote from: luffy28 on November 14, 2018, 16:49:27
I tried doing the technique on obe4u where you awake after 6 hours and stay awake / read and think about the phase.
https://obe4u.com/how-to-lucid-dream/
The first two steps can be skipped.
Any advice?
Thanks.
Theres been a lot of advice on these 3 pages, but you seem to move on to something else before using advice. How often are you attempting this method? What part IS NOT WORKING? If you look at the link you shared above, after step 5, it has a small sample of issues/suggestions. (PS- Raduga's downloadable "book" spends a huge amount of pages to examples/issues and what he suggested to fix them.)
The link you shared has suggestions to these issues and more:
QuoteTypical mistakes when performing indirect techniques include:
– Lack of an attempt to separate
– Lack of aggression
– Fewer than 4 cycles
– Unnecessary Change of Technique
– Unnecessary Continuation of a Technique
– Forgetting to Separate
...
Which of these address your current issue - I didn't copy them, but he gives suggestions for each issue through out STEPS 1-5.
Quote from: Yodad on November 14, 2018, 23:48:40
Theres been a lot of advice on these 3 pages, but you seem to move on to something else before using advice. How often are you attempting this method? What part IS NOT WORKING? If you look at the link you shared above, after step 5, it has a small sample of issues/suggestions. (PS- Raduga's downloadable "book" spends a huge amount of pages to examples/issues and what he suggested to fix them.)
The link you shared has suggestions to these issues and more:
Which of these address your current issue - I didn't copy them, but he gives suggestions for each issue through out STEPS 1-5.
I'm probably having a problem with forgetting to separate. I also have a problem separating. It feels like I'm stuck to my body. I couldn't / didn't have time to play the audio because I had to watch a younger relative.
Thanks.
Quote from: luffy28 on November 15, 2018, 16:56:47
I'm probably having a problem with forgetting to separate. I also have a problem separating. It feels like I'm stuck to my body. I couldn't / didn't have time to play the audio because I had to watch a younger relative.
Thanks.
Luff
Im not referring to Raduga. Im trying to explain how to use a "ramp" timer that gently disturbs your sleep with a single alarm sound to hopefully awaken you enough so you can explore that sleep/wake area of consciousness because that is where ap resides. Rather with Raduga or any other author the point is to experience that area just before you fall asleep or just as you are waking up. A 3-4 hour recording with one or two beep alarms interspersed will slightly jar you from sleep so you can explore that "groggy" state while you are fully conscious. Look for any strange sounds or electroEnergy/vibrational energy sensations. They dont happen all the time Luff. In fact they RARELY happen at all which is why you should familiarize yourself with that "groggy" area of consciousness. Also look for hypnagogic imagery or any images you see in that groggy state. Again-it rarely happens. It may take a month for you to notice anything strange or unfamiliar. Or it may be tonight. Thats why you must remain diligent and continue to familiarize yourself with that groggy state of consciousness. When an alarm does awaken you, immediately relax as if you were going back asleep then pay attention to any noises or images etc. Let it unfold naturally. You seem to be putting the cart before the horse if you dont mind me saying that. Create a timer that has single beeps that you dont need to turn off yourself. Im not sure you are understanding the concept of the ramp timer.
Quote from: Windwalker. on November 16, 2018, 17:31:22
Luff
Im not referring to Raduga. Im trying to explain how to use a "ramp" timer that gently disturbs your sleep with a single alarm sound to hopefully awaken you enough so you can explore that sleep/wake area of consciousness because that is where ap resides. Rather with Raduga or any other author the point is to experience that area just before you fall asleep or just as you are waking up. A 3-4 hour recording with one or two beep alarms interspersed will slightly jar you from sleep so you can explore that "groggy" state while you are fully conscious. Look for any strange sounds or electroEnergy/vibrational energy sensations. They dont happen all the time Luff. In fact they RARELY happen at all which is why you should familiarize yourself with that "groggy" area of consciousness. Also look for hypnagogic imagery or any images you see in that groggy state. Again-it rarely happens. It may take a month for you to notice anything strange or unfamiliar. Or it may be tonight. Thats why you must remain diligent and continue to familiarize yourself with that groggy state of consciousness. When an alarm does awaken you, immediately relax as if you were going back asleep then pay attention to any noises or images etc. Let it unfold naturally. You seem to be putting the cart before the horse if you dont mind me saying that. Create a timer that has single beeps that you dont need to turn off yourself. Im not sure you are understanding the concept of the ramp timer.
Thanks,
I'll google it. I just tried to do the obe4u technique. I woke up and stayed awake for 10 to 15 minutes. After this, I tried setting up the audio but it didn't wake me up. Thanks.
Quote from: Yodad on November 14, 2018, 23:48:40
Theres been a lot of advice on these 3 pages, but you seem to move on to something else before using advice. How often are you attempting this method? What part IS NOT WORKING? If you look at the link you shared above, after step 5, it has a small sample of issues/suggestions. (PS- Raduga's downloadable "book" spends a huge amount of pages to examples/issues and what he suggested to fix them.)
I'm glad you noticed that too. I fear this is the reason that other members here aren't jumping in to help out here either. You can lead a Horse to water, but you can't make them drink.
Recently, Escape Velocity created a new "Astral Hotline" thread to help people experience the NP consciously aware, using any technique or methodology they prefer. Yet, no one here is using it and still they can't find any success. :roll: :-o :-(
I woke up last night and was awake for 10 to 15 minutes. I tried playing the file but the phone didn't want to play it. The total silence was 6 hours.
Edit: I got the sound from this website
https://www.zedge.net/find/ringtones/gentle
I don't know if I can post the file because of copyright.
Any advice?
Thanks.
Luff
Please explain what you are trying to do and how you are trying to do it in step by step detail. Again, from your posts it doesnt sound like you are understanding how a ramp timer works. Explain in step by step detail exactly what you are doing and then I will advise you on how it defers from my technique. It is difficult to advise you when it seems you may possibly not be understanding the concept of a ramp timer and doing it to its full benefits. Good luck!
Quote from: Windwalker. on November 18, 2018, 17:29:02
Luff
Please explain what you are trying to do and how you are trying to do it in step by step detail. Again, from your posts it doesnt sound like you are understanding how a ramp timer works. Explain in step by step detail exactly what you are doing and then I will advise you on how it defers from my technique. It is difficult to advise you when it seems you may possibly not be understanding the concept of a ramp timer and doing it to its full benefits. Good luck!
The obe4u technique I'm doing is where you try to separate for 3 to 5 seconds. Then if you don't separate you then do cycling techniques. The two techniques I'm doing is phantom wiggling and hands visualization. You do each cycling technique for 3 to 5 seconds. If a LD or OBE is reached then that is what doing the cycling techniques are for. The cycling techniques are then done in back to back for the seconds and then done in total for 4 cycles. A cycle is the two techniques done 4 times in total for a total of 40 seconds. If you need additional explanation reply back to this post.
https://obe4u.com/how-to-lucid-dream/
Quote from: luffy28 on November 22, 2018, 20:23:22
The obe4u technique I'm doing is where you try to separate for 3 to 5 seconds. Then if you don't separate you then do cycling techniques. The two techniques I'm doing is phantom wiggling and hands visualization. You do each cycling technique for 3 to 5 seconds. If a LD or OBE is reached then that is what doing the cycling techniques are for. The cycling techniques are then done in back to back for the seconds and then done in total for 4 cycles. A cycle is the two techniques done 4 times in total for a total of 40 seconds. If you need additional explanation reply back to this post.
https://obe4u.com/how-to-lucid-dream/
I wasnt referring to how are you using Radugas obe4u technique Luff, I was referring to how are you using the ramp timer. I thought that is what we were talking about. Good luck!
Quote from: Windwalker. on November 24, 2018, 15:28:24
I wasnt referring to how are you using Radugas obe4u technique Luff, I was referring to how are you using the ramp timer. I thought that is what we were talking about. Good luck!
Last night / earlier this morning. I woke up stayed awake for 5 to 10 minutes. I then set the timer audio I made and used it for 2 and a half hours. The ramp timer played every 15 minutes. Every time it woke me I ended up trying the separating technique and the cycling techniques. Every time I tried doing the separation I felt stuck to my body. The only dream I had was a vivid dream about a train that only lasted 20 to 30 seconds.
Quote from: luffy28 on November 24, 2018, 21:47:12
Last night / earlier this morning. I woke up stayed awake for 5 to 10 minutes. I then set the timer audio I made and used it for 2 and a half hours. The ramp timer played every 15 minutes. Every time it woke me I ended up trying the separating technique and the cycling techniques. Every time I tried doing the separation I felt stuck to my body. The only dream I had was a vivid dream about a train that only lasted 20 to 30 seconds.
Are the alarms fully awakening you? Maybe adjust the alarms volume so it doest awaken you as much. You only want to barely awaken, just enough so you have slight awareness where you are as close to the sleep/wake line as possible. If you awaken to much you lose your window. If you dont awaken enough you wont have enough awareness to remember that you are attempting to project. Also-instead of trying Radugas techniques all the time try instead to remain aware in that sleep/wake twilite state of mind and monitor what happens. To do this, after one of your alarms awakens you and you become aware, IMMEDIATELY relax as if you were going back to sleep. So 1. You are sleeping and boom, you hear one of your timers alarms awaken you. 2. As soon as you remember that you are attempting to project, immediately relax as much as you can as if you were going back to sleep. Dont worry, you wont fall back to sleep. The excitement of trying to project will keep you from falling asleep. 3. When you are relaxing deeper and deeper after the alarm awoke you listen for any sounds and monitor for any electrical energy sensations. If you notice sounds or energy sensations continue to relax even more. You need to firmly set the intent to "immediately relax" upon hearing your ramp timer so it becomes second nature. Understand? You are getting close bro so remain deligent. It may happen tonite or next week but it will never happen if you give up. Once it does happen and you familiarize yourself with your process it will become easier for you. Good luck!
Quote from: Windwalker. on November 25, 2018, 21:11:53
Are the alarms fully awakening you? Maybe adjust the alarms volume so it doest awaken you as much. You only want to barely awaken, just enough so you have slight awareness where you are as close to the sleep/wake line as possible. If you awaken to much you lose your window. If you dont awaken enough you wont have enough awareness to remember that you are attempting to project. Also-instead of trying Radugas techniques all the time try instead to remain aware in that sleep/wake twilite state of mind and monitor what happens. To do this, after one of your alarms awakens you and you become aware, IMMEDIATELY relax as if you were going back to sleep. So 1. You are sleeping and boom, you hear one of your timers alarms awaken you. 2. As soon as you remember that you are attempting to project, immediately relax as much as you can as if you were going back to sleep. Dont worry, you wont fall back to sleep. The excitement of trying to project will keep you from falling asleep. 3. When you are relaxing deeper and deeper after the alarm awoke you listen for any sounds and monitor for any electrical energy sensations. If you notice sounds or energy sensations continue to relax even more. You need to firmly set the intent to "immediately relax" upon hearing your ramp timer so it becomes second nature. Understand? You are getting close bro so remain deligent. It may happen tonite or next week but it will never happen if you give up. Once it does happen and you familiarize yourself with your process it will become easier for you. Good luck!
Thanks, I don't think that the ramp or the obe4u technique is for me. The reason is that to have np LD's you need to first be able to recall dreams. The obe4u technique isn't working for me because I sleep very deeply (I don't have sleep apnea officially but I still to a certain degree have a snoring problem). I'm going to try to make another thread on trying techniques from adventures beyond the body.
Thanks.
Hi,
I've been noticing that every time I did say the affirmation for William Buhlman's technique I would awaken once a night in my sleep to recall a dream (I haven't done it in a week or two) I wanted to ask how people make themselves get up with subsequent awakenings using Micheal Raduga's technique? I know I said I didn't want to do his techniques but I remember having a very vivid lucid dream where I was Spiderman and was swinging throughout New York City. I also want to know how people using Raduga's technique are able to make themselves get up multiple times throughout sleep?
Thanks.
How? ...would you agree with practice and determination? :wink:
Listen to his video!
"Leave Your Body in 3 Days (1/3) - A Michael Raduga Seminar"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQjAIlFZWWc
Raduga has a pinned post at top. Most important sections of video for you will be at these times of video:
32:18 - Indirect method theory
1:20:02 - Indirect method practice
Quote from: Yodad on February 04, 2019, 16:42:57
How? ...would you agree with practice and determination? :wink:
Listen to his video!
"Leave Your Body in 3 Days (1/3) - A Michael Raduga Seminar"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQjAIlFZWWc
Raduga has a pinned post at top. Most important sections of video for you will be at these times of video:
32:18 - Indirect method theory
1:20:02 - Indirect method practice
Thanks I already saw that video / took notes on it, but I'll watch it again and re-take notes.
Thanks.
Hi,
I wanted to ask if someone can tell me how to solve a problem? Every time I don't take my psych meds and go to sleep and awaken with an alarm clock after 5 or 6 hours for attempting to do the Micheal Raduga technique I end up staying awake. This is the second time doing this and I can't go back to sleep. He says in his tutorial to stay awake for 3 to 50 minutes. This morning I stayed awake for five minutes and immediately before / after I can't go back to sleep. Any advice?
Thanks.
You should set ur alarm for only 2-3 hours. As it is now your body is getting enough sleep after only 5-6 hours so you cant get into the phase state. Do you ever wake up naturally during the nite to pee or whatever? Those are the best times to try techniques bro. Every time you naturally awake at nite. The 5-6 hour technique is trying to catch your last and longest rem cycle of the nite. It isnt an exact science. It is only trying to remain aware while you are in that drowsy state upon waking. Remain awake and aware while your body goes back to sleep. Then you will experience energy sensations or hypnagogia..... RARELY. But when you do those are the times to phase. Its that simple.
Quote from: Windwalker. on February 09, 2019, 19:04:41
You should set ur alarm for only 2-3 hours. As it is now your body is getting enough sleep after only 5-6 hours so you cant get into the phase state. Do you ever wake up naturally during the nite to pee or whatever? Those are the best times to try techniques bro. Every time you naturally awake at nite. The 5-6 hour technique is trying to catch your last and longest rem cycle of the nite. It isnt an exact science. It is only trying to remain aware while you are in that drowsy state upon waking. Remain awake and aware while your body goes back to sleep. Then you will experience energy sensations or hypnagogia..... RARELY. But when you do those are the times to phase. Its that simple.
Can I still try Raduga's technique but with the 2 to 3 hours of sleep? I have notes I took of his technique but I don't know where / how to share it on this forum.
Thanks.
I awoke after two and half hours. I couldn't stay awake and went back to sleep. I'm going to try it Sunday and Monday.
Thanks.