Relaxed VS Tired and AP

bindu · August 28, 2012, 14:32:45

1) How do you know your mind is relaxed enough to astral project? How do you know your mind is too tired to project?
2) How do you know your body is relaxed enough to astral project? How do you know your body is too tired to project?

Is there a relationship between relaxed and tired? Is there such a thing as too relaxed?

TY!

bindu · August 28, 2012, 14:38:21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMkz7lTGzQ8
Check these guys out at around 45 min,

HOW THE HELL THEY SLEEP LIKE THAT

Astralsuzy · August 28, 2012, 18:15:00

1) How do you know your mind is relaxed enough to astral project? How do you know your mind is too tired to project?

It comes down to experience. When your mind is relaxed you know it as you can feel it. The feeling in your mind changes from normal to being relaxed. You can still ap when your mind is too tired to ap.

2) How do you know your body is relaxed enough to astral project? How do you know your body is too tired to project?

When you have been lying down for a while, you are relaxed enough, even if you do not feel very comfortable. I have laid down on a hard floor and I still ap. It has not been very comfortable. You can still ap when your body is too tired to ap.

Is there a relationship between relaxed and tired? Is there such a thing as too relaxed?

It does not matter if you are relaxed or tired. You can still ap. The more relaxed you are the better.

roman67 · August 29, 2012, 02:38:07

Astralsuzy have explained wonderfully about your all questions. I also agree with Astralsuzy.

Stookie_ · August 29, 2012, 12:10:04

I look at relaxation as a skill you can learn. When I started, I did like most, where I first focus on my toes, foot, ankle, shin, etc. and fully relax each part until you move on. Done correctly, your whole body from toes to head should probably take about from 15 - 20 minutes. Though the more often you do this, the quicker your body responds and the less time it takes for full relaxation. And when you get really good at it, all you have to do is lie down, begin to imagine what the full relaxation feels like, and your body responds in no time, slow heart rate and all.

Then you can get to your exercise(s) and not have to worry about your body at all.

Xanth · August 29, 2012, 18:34:23

Quote from: bindu on August 28, 2012, 14:32:45
1) How do you know your mind is relaxed enough to astral project? How do you know your mind is too tired to project?
2) How do you know your body is relaxed enough to astral project? How do you know your body is too tired to project?

Is there a relationship between relaxed and tired? Is there such a thing as too relaxed?

TY!

Eventually, you'll find that "relaxation" doesn't really have much to do with "ability to project"... but for now, it seems like the paramount thing to your practicing.

You don't relax your mind. You can't relax your mind. Relaxation is a purely physical activity used in order to "assist" you in forgetting about the physical. As I said, eventually you won't need to worry about relaxation and you'll "just do it".

You can be relaxed and fall asleep...
You can be not relaxed (even really stressed) and still fall asleep...

Can you be "too relaxed"? hehe That's a good question.

bindu · August 29, 2012, 21:12:40

Quote from: Xanth on August 29, 2012, 18:34:23
Eventually, you'll find that "relaxation" doesn't really have much to do with "ability to project"... but for now, it seems like the paramount thing to your practicing.

You don't relax your mind. You can't relax your mind. Relaxation is a purely physical activity used in order to "assist" you in forgetting about the physical. As I said, eventually you won't need to worry about relaxation and you'll "just do it".

You can be relaxed and fall asleep...
You can be not relaxed (even really stressed) and still fall asleep...

Can you be "too relaxed"? hehe That's a good question.

""relaxation" doesn't really have much to do with "ability to project"."

you are the first to let me know..

So in your view, what are the main factors to at-will conscious OBE whenever you want?

Xanth · August 29, 2012, 22:16:47

Quote from: bindu on August 29, 2012, 21:12:40So in your view, what are the main factors to at-will conscious OBE whenever you want?

Control over your mind...
Being able to ignore all (or most) sensory input to the physical body...

That's really it. Do that, and you *should* be able to project anywhere, anytime.

Astralsuzy · August 30, 2012, 04:29:47

Xanth you mention that you cannot relax your mind. For a long time now, I have noticed that when my mind feels different I am about to ap any moment. It happens when my mind feels more relaxed than normal.

Stookie_ · August 30, 2012, 12:31:13

Uh oh, I feel an issue with semantics a-brewin...

Xanth · August 30, 2012, 19:33:26

Quote from: Stookie_ on August 30, 2012, 12:31:13
Uh oh, I feel an issue with semantics a-brewin...

hehe indeed.

Quote from: Astralsuzy on August 30, 2012, 04:29:47
Xanth you mention that you cannot relax your mind. For a long time now, I have noticed that when my mind feels different I am about to ap any moment. It happens when my mind feels more relaxed than normal.

I do recognize what you mean, and if you feel comfortable calling that "relaxing your mind", then by all means.
Yes, that's exactly what's happening.

Astralsuzy · August 30, 2012, 19:48:38

Thanks Xanth.

bindu · August 31, 2012, 03:52:15

thank you mr xanth

it is I PEGAMOIDE12345, having huge trouble signing in with that user for a very unknown reason.

xanth, that is a very awesome way to look at things. thanks bro, im making leaps and bounds of progress

bindu · August 31, 2012, 03:54:14

Quote from: Astralsuzy on August 30, 2012, 19:48:38
Thanks Xanth.

and thank you too suzy, its very nice to just get the whole issue out of the way with your clear perspective of liberation: "who the __ cares if you are relaxed or tired, it works anyway" tyy

Xanth · August 31, 2012, 10:43:23

Remember though, don't get caught up in the words. As Stookie pointed out, we're talking semantics.

I can say one thing, astralsuzy can say another, bindu can say something else entirely different... yet, we can all really be saying the same thing.
It's important to be able to identify BEYOND the words people use.

This is why I recognize that what astralsuzy said above is quite correct when she says to "relax her mind".

Always look beyond the words.

Astralsuzy · August 31, 2012, 19:00:34

What you said sounds very good Xanth. I am glad I joined this forum as I am learning things and helping other people.
Since we are on the topic of relaxing the mind I thought I would let everyone know what happened this morning.
This morning I was wide awake and I was not tired. I have not ap for a while but that is my fault as I have not made the effort. I thought I would like to ap so I breathed in and out. That went on for a short while and it was not working. I knew I had to relax my mind. I decided to listen to a CD of the sounds of the wind, rain and thunder. I kept listening to it so I could get my mind to relax. While I was listening to it, a few times I let my whole body relax all at the same time. I could feel my mind getting more and more relaxed and I was able to get out of my body. I was wondering if I am able to do this, then I could ap any time of the day. What do you think or do you think it would be a lot harder to do? If you decide to do this technique you need to be aware of how your mind is feeling, otherwise you could fall into a dream.

Astralsuzy · September 01, 2012, 00:51:59

There is a way of knowing if I can ap anytime of the day and that is to try it. I will try during the day sometime. I am too busy this weekend to try to ap. I have tried to ap during the day before but I am mostly not successful. I have tried to ap without listening to a CD. Next time I will listen to the CD during the day and if I am successful I will let you know.

bindu · September 02, 2012, 05:51:44

Quote from: Astralsuzy on September 01, 2012, 00:51:59
There is a way of knowing if I can ap anytime of the day and that is to try it. I will try during the day sometime. I am too busy this weekend to try to ap. I have tried to ap during the day before but I am mostly not successful. I have tried to ap without listening to a CD. Next time I will listen to the CD during the day and if I am successful I will let you know.

I feel I can now AP whenever I want, its just a matter of relaxing the body enough, as simple as that
Then dont move for 2 hours at least, and focus on light energy work/breathing, its easier than its hyped to be IMO

Astralsuzy · September 02, 2012, 09:10:04

It is great that you can ap whenever you want to. I suppose I can to but I need to be able to ap without taking too long. I do not want to be waiting for hours to ap. I think if I want to ap during the day I am going to have to spend some time relaxing myself before I try to ap.

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