Serious Question: Why havent you found Osama?

[kiwibonga]

Well, I don't know... I don't think Abraham is being provocative, rather strongly skeptic, which is easy to understand.

Anyway, about Bin Laden, he's real because his birth was documented by a birth certificate. Whether it's real or not is unfortunately impossible to verify, but even if he has nothing to do with any kind of terrorist activity, there was someone called Osama Bin Laden, born in 1955 in Saudi Arabia, the son of Muhammad Bin Laden. He has over 50 brothers and sisters... Sweet polygamy! :p

Anyway, about finding people/places in the astral -- I've seen the question being asked countless times... Some people claimed that they were able to visit places they had never seen with their own eyes before they astrally projected there, just by thinking of the place's name. Someone even claimed to have won the lottery by simply wishing to see the numbers while astrally projecting...

I just don't think "finding osama bin laden" would be such a difficult endeavor -- it probably takes not much more than the will to do so, and knowledge about the person and their life is only of relative importance...

Once again, this is all gathered from my readings and not actual experience ; finding Osama is however on my "list" of things to do when I become capable of leaving my body consciously, and I will be sure to revive this thread when I find him :p

[WarpedReality]

Hi I'm new here but from what I have just read, you all seem to be jumping on Abraham's back with no valid reason.
He asked a simple question and I for one seem to think he has a point. I was under the impression that if you thought of somebody when you were projecting then you would go to that person.

You do not just go to anybody you think of. It isn't magic. It doesn't work that way.

A person ignorant of the way things work in the astral or the real time zone should not come in here with preconceived notions and religious convictions and then start demanding proof of this, that and the other.

This sort of thing is just plain annoying to me. I think I would annoy the hell out of a Islam forum if I were to burst onto one and start demanding proof of the various believes expressed in the Qur'an.

Actually I wouldnt mind at all. I frequently visit the forum www.revivingislam.com

Ask any questions you would like there!

Abraham,

How would you like it if I came to your forums and said the following:

"If your god, Allah, is real and so mighty...then why does he not smite all non-believers? If he doesn't, then:

1) He is not real and your religion is fake and/or useless in this world.

2) Allah is not as powerful as another God"


Notice how provocative and ignorant that statement is; now try to apply this new understanding to your original post.

[Sepultura123]

Please we dont have to change the subject of the threads and go on a politic/war/other country subject.

[knightlight]

I just don't think "finding osama bin laden" would be such a difficult endeavor -- it probably takes not much more than the will to do so, and knowledge about the person and their life is only of relative importance...

I wish it was that easy.  Believe me.  This is probably the hardest topic of all to explain to someonewho has little or no experience of projection.  I was actually about to attempt to but I wont because its way to f'in hard.  Besides, why is this in Discussion?  Wouldnt this be more of a Chat topic?  

Heres a hypothetical situation:

I lay down and attempt to project to OBL.  Right off the bat I could fail my attempt and simply fall asleep, or go into a lucid dream which is a seperate area of consciousness where dreams take place.  I could locate OBL in my local walmart or anywhere I wished to because thought=action.  Even if I didnt fail my attempt, projection for me and most others is usually a relatively short endeavor.  I could try simply asking to be taken to him but I have had no success with this approach ever.  I could attempt to get to the middle east and comb as much area as I could but that would be the most painstaking and annoying thing I could possibly waste my time on.  Abraham.  If you dont have any problems with attempting AP I would say you should learn how.  Then you can stop coming here and bugging is about it and do it yourself.  Seems a bit simpler to me.  I always say if you want something done right you do it yourself.  Besides, you would get the reward then.

[no_leaf_clover]

If Osama is dead, it would be quite relevant to the subject of the original post.

If US agencies are not actually interested in capturing Osama, then that would also be quite relevant to the subject of the original post.

Like someone else has said, it's fair game in those regards. What I don't get is how you nutters that believe in flying around outside of your body won't entertain why two fake Osama tapes were publicized in the United States, one after 9/11 and the other just before the 2004 presidential elections.

The first post of this thread made assumptions that (a) Osama is still alive, (b) US intelligence is actually interested in capturing him, and (c) people have tried locating Osama via the astral.

I remember that there were threads on finding Saddam in the astral earlier here on AP, and most probably someone has suggested finding Osama on here in the past as well. I think people actually were making attempts on here, if anyone wants to dig back into those threads and see what was posted. This was probably back in 2003 when we had already invaded Iraq and were just hunting Saddam.

Edit: Here is an actual thread of Kakkarot's challenging AP members to find either Osama or Saddam, from August 2003:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6222

It's 7 pages long, so maybe there's some info in that. I found two (identical) posts claiming Saddam was spotted in the astral with his cord severed and therefore dead, but I skimmed over the responses and there was no meat in any of the replies, only the topic posts.

[Tombo]

The Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.

I am just curious. If you truly believe your Astral Projection is worth anything, or that your out of body experiences are real, then why havent you found Osama? It has probably crossed some of your minds.

So my challenge to you all is to find the locatino of Osama bin Laden, and report it to the FBI to get your reward.  And if you cant do such a 'simple endeavor' then either

1) your astral projection is fake or useless in reality

2) God is protecting Osama bin Laden like many think.

Thanks,

Abraham

It is a combo actually. All AP is fake and God is protecting Osama. Hope this answers your question and helps you to move on.

[Ben K]

Why dont you just pray to allah to have him strike down osama with lightning?

if you cannot do this i must mantain the opinion that islam and all other organized religion is a crock of BS.

[Abraham]

The Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.

I am just curious. If you truly believe your Astral Projection is worth anything, or that your out of body experiences are real, then why havent you found Osama? It has probably crossed some of your minds.

So my challenge to you all is to find the locatino of Osama bin Laden, and report it to the FBI to get your reward.  And if you cant do such a 'simple endeavor' then either

1) your astral projection is fake or useless in reality

2) God is protecting Osama bin Laden like many think.

Thanks,

Abraham

It is a combo actually. All AP is fake and God is protecting Osama. Hope this answers your question and helps you to move on.

Thats the best answer i ever heard! Bravo!

[Selski]

And herein endeth the discussion.  Thread locked.

Amen.