QuoteThe Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.
I am just curious. If you truly believe your Astral Projection is worth anything, or that your out of body experiences are real, then why havent you found Osama? It has probably crossed some of your minds.
So my challenge to you all is to find the locatino of Osama bin Laden, and report it to the FBI to get your reward. And if you cant do such a 'simple endeavor' then either
1) your astral projection is fake or useless in reality
2) God is protecting Osama bin Laden like many think.
Thanks,
Abraham
Shut the bonk up. I or anyone here has nothing to prove to you. You practice your own religion/spirituality and we'll practice our own. People like you are intolerant douche bags.
And in regards to your comment about God protecting Osama: God would never protect a murderer and a manipulator who justifies his murderous actions by distorting the practices of Islam to suit his needs. This comment shows me the lack of depth or morality you encompass.
Quote from: WarpedRealityShut the bonk up. I or anyone here has nothing to prove to you. You practice your own religion/spirituality and we'll practice our own. People like you are intolerant douche bags.
And in regards to your comment about God protecting Osama: God would never protect a murderer and a manipulator who justifies his murderous actions by distorting the practices of Islam to suit his needs. This comment shows me the lack of depth or morality you encompass.
I made a simple challenge that should expose the reality of the situation. Im here to get the truth out, and to expose what is real and what is our own imagination. If you dont like reality then live in yoru dream world deceiving yourself. But as for me, I will strive to live upon the truth from my Lord.
"So woe that Day to the beliers,
Who are playing in falsehood .
The Day when they will be pushed down by force to the Fire of Hell, with a horrible, forceful pushing.
This is the Fire which you used to belie.
" [Surah At-Tur (from the Qur'an) verses 11-14]
Abraham, please read more about the ransom, and you'll see it's pretty much impossible to claim it without -solid- proof.
Also, I have reason to believe that "proving" that astral projection is real is not a good idea. It is actually pretty dangerous, and the world isn't ready.
In any case, perhaps you can arrange for a simpler verification experiment. If you post a challenge and someone feels like it and feels confident they can do it, they will accept your challenge.
You make it sound like it would be a piece of cake to locate a man going out of his way to stay hidden in an unspecified location somewhere. Buddy, looking for specific people or locations without very accurate information is not a 'simple endeavor' at all - in this world or any other!
Not to mention the fact that dedicated special forces types with high tech gee wizz hardware have been looking for Osama for years - without success.
It is not magic, allright? Maintaining lucidity in one's own back yard in the real time zone is hard enough, so please... if you don't mind, Im going back to my meditation.
Hi Abraham
This topic comes up on a fairly regular basis.
I would suggest that you use your curiosity to read some other threads regarding proof and challenges. If you use the search function and use words such as "Randi" and "proof", you'll find lots of information and discussion.
Also, it would be appreciated if you read a little about astral projection before asking questions such as yours. If you took just a few minutes of your time to read the Astral FAQs, you then would understand more about the subject and realise that what you are requesting is highly unlikely. To assist you, here is the link to the FAQs
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=46&sid=0a07100116375d70b1015750c05b1ba2
Edit - in addition - use the search function and search for posts by the author "gbeac" - some interesting studies going on there. :smile:
Sarah
QuoteGod would never protect a murderer and a manipulator who justifies his murderous actions by distorting the practices...
That's odd i thought god supported bush :wink:
But on a serious note Abraham, i agree with everyone else here. Firstly it hasn't Really been on my mind to look for osama, secondly it doesn't really work like that. Learn more about something before you critisise it, or at least before you ask us to "prove" it.
as WarpedReality said, we have nothing to prove to you.
Your entitled to your beliefs just as we are entitled to ours.
Quote from: Abraham
I made a simple challenge that should expose the reality of the situation. Im here to get the truth out, and to expose what is real and what is our own imagination. If you dont like reality then live in yoru dream world deceiving yourself. But as for me, I will strive to live upon the truth from my Lord.
Wow it's like talking to a very stupid brick wall. Go on and worship God as you see fit. I and the others here will achieve spirituality and worship God as we desire. People like you are the ones who start wars and oppress others if their beliefs differ from yours.
And the best part is that our beliefs do not hurt or take advantage of others...unlike Christianity's followers who distort it to stem social progression and Islam's followers who distort it murder and rape the innocent.
And everyone else...You know this idiot isn't going to search the forums to learn how a physical body exit works. He read a passage from the Koran and is going to try and be 'Gods Holy Warrior' by provoking everyone who doesn't worship Islam. I should make the challenge to him to have Allah appear before me and tell me that my spiritual beliefs are rubbish. But I won't because I am better than that.
Hi I'm new here but from what I have just read, you all seem to be jumping on Abraham's back with no valid reason.
He asked a simple question and I for one seem to think he has a point. I was under the impression that if you thought of somebody when you were projecting then you would go to that person.
On another note I am not 100% convinced that Bush was not in involved with 911 but that's for another forum.
Quote from: dreamerukHi I'm new here but from what I have just read, you all seem to be jumping on Abraham's back with no valid reason.
He asked a simple question and I for one seem to think he has a point. I was under the impression that if you thought of somebody when you were projecting then you would go to that person.
You do not just go to anybody you think of. It isn't magic. It doesn't work that way.
A person ignorant of the way things work in the astral or the real time zone should not come in here with preconceived notions and religious convictions and then start demanding proof of this, that and the other.
This sort of thing is just plain annoying to me. I think I would annoy the hell out of a Islam forum if I were to burst onto one and start demanding proof of the various believes expressed in the Qur'an.
Lookie there! It's frakkin' SUPERMAN coming to save the day for skeptics, muslims and victims of the Abrahamic religions everywhere! Frakkin' A, man! Now we can all relax 'cause he's just proven to everyone that AP isn't real 'cause no one can AP to Osama's location and then come back and tell the authorities all about having discovered the location of Osama by AP'ing to his position in the Real Time Zone and how they want the money really frakking quick. If that's what it's called. I think it's the Real Time Zone. Whatever the frak it is.
How do we even know Osama's still alive? How do we know he's not relaxing back at the ranch in Crawford? Hell, Osama could be right here in Texas-- that's where I am-- he could be here drinking iced tea and talkin' baseball with the First Lady. How would THAT discovery go over with the authorites?
And who's to say someone HASN'T located Osama by using AP? What if one the long standing members of Astral Pulse did exactly just that-- located Osama-- and then reported it? And then instead of getting the cash, he's taken away by the Men In Black. Maybe that's what happened to Frank.
Quote from: interceptionQuote from: dreamerukHi I'm new here but from what I have just read, you all seem to be jumping on Abraham's back with no valid reason.
He asked a simple question and I for one seem to think he has a point. I was under the impression that if you thought of somebody when you were projecting then you would go to that person.
You do not just go to anybody you think of. It isn't magic. It doesn't work that way.
A person ignorant of the way things work in the astral or the real time zone should not come in here with preconceived notions and religious convictions and then start demanding proof of this, that and the other.
This sort of thing is just plain annoying to me. I think I would annoy the hell out of a Islam forum if I were to burst onto one and start demanding proof of the various believes expressed in the Qur'an.
Could be fun, though. Which muslim forum does Abraham frequent?
Quote from: interceptionQuote from: dreamerukHi I'm new here but from what I have just read, you all seem to be jumping on Abraham's back with no valid reason.
He asked a simple question and I for one seem to think he has a point. I was under the impression that if you thought of somebody when you were projecting then you would go to that person.
You do not just go to anybody you think of. It isn't magic. It doesn't work that way.
A person ignorant of the way things work in the astral or the real time zone should not come in here with preconceived notions and religious convictions and then start demanding proof of this, that and the other.
This sort of thing is just plain annoying to me. I think I would annoy the hell out of a Islam forum if I were to burst onto one and start demanding proof of the various believes expressed in the Qur'an.
Actually I wouldnt mind at all. I frequently visit the forum www.revivingislam.com
Ask any questions you would like there!
I think what we are trying to say, religious bs aside is that you shouldn't be asking us to prove some thing you know very little about, if you did you would understand that it doesn't really work like that.
QuoteHi I'm new here but from what I have just read, you all seem to be jumping on Abraham's back with no valid reason.
He asked a simple question and I for one seem to think he has a point. I was under the impression that if you thought of somebody when you were projecting then you would go to that person.
Dreameruk its not really that simple a question, sure it may seem that way but it is the same as asking anyone to 'prove' their religious view (not that ours is a particulary religious one) but it is the same general concept. Also one of the great things about humanity is that when someone questions someone elses beliefs, that person is predisposed to get angry, frustrated and to defend that belief to the very end, so that is pretty much why we are all attacking Abraham so easily.
Quote from: AbrahamSo my challenge to you all is to find the locatino of Osama bin Laden, and report it to the FBI to get your reward.
They're not looking for Osama, and he's probably dead anyway. At least, that was what was reported in the Mid-East some time ago – complications of some illness he had, which was respiratory in nature if I remember correctly, but I may not. We still need a boogey man here in the West, though.
Don't the states have an annoying habit of saying people are dead when they are really not?
Mabye im just misinformed, highly possible :grin:
Quote from: KallasDon't the states have an annoying habit of saying people are dead when they are really not?
Major media? Not that I'm aware of, but if Osama was to release some authentic tape in the future I would believe he is still alive.
And he had kidney problems, not respiratory; my mistake. Here's a page showing why there is reason to believe he may be dead: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html
Fair enough... wasn't one realeased just a while ago. I didn't see it but someone was telling me that he was "making a stand" again.
Quote from: KallasFair enough... wasn't one realeased just a while ago. I didn't see it but someone was telling me that he was "making a stand" again.
The last three tapes I'm aware of were in 2001 and 2004 and they were mostly fake (2 of the 3), unless Osama's cheek bones have sunken into his face, and his nose widened and etc., then fixed themselves back to the way there were before, then sunk into his face and etc. again.
(http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/fake-to-real.gif)
The dude in yellow is from the 2004 "Osama" tape that came out just before elections here in the United States (October 30th)... :roll:
It's even more interesting when coupled with this link (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/12/17/15126.shtml).
The first 2001 tape (December 17th) featured the same guy (shown as letter E in the image below), whereas a second 2001 tape (December 27th) shows an Osama more resembling earlier photos (shown as letter C below).
(http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/binladen8.jpg)
Others have pointed out that in the Dec. 17th tape (which was allegedly found in the basement of a home in a bombed-out city in Afghanistan by US forces) 'Osama' apparently uses his right hand to write whereas he is known to be left-handed, and there are some other inconsistencies that it make it further doubtful.
Please don't turn this thread into
- Conspiracy theory talk
or
- A religious argument
... Because this was not meant as one.
Osama Bin Laden is a real person, or WAS. Whether he is dead or alive, it is possible to locate him with astral projection, or it will eventually be. It takes a lot of experience so not many people can do this. The people who can might not want to, because Astral projection isn't a toy to prove things to people on message boards, and especially not a tool to turn someone against their own religion.
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Many people have precognitons about things that are related to there own interests and circle of friends and family, i have had only a couple of these and thankfully notified people before they happened, thus gaining proof and confidence with the lucid state of mind and the content with in them and they just don't compare with normal dreaming.
Osama bin laden has never had no emotional ties or connection with me, and i have no interest in him that could be played out in the unquantifiable land of lucid dreams.
Quote from: AbrahamQuoteThe Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.
I am just curious. If you truly believe your Astral Projection is worth anything, or that your out of body experiences are real, then why havent you found Osama? It has probably crossed some of your minds.
So my challenge to you all is to find the locatino of Osama bin Laden, and report it to the FBI to get your reward. And if you cant do such a 'simple endeavor' then either
1) your astral projection is fake or useless in reality
2) God is protecting Osama bin Laden like many think.
Thanks,
Abraham
Hi Abraham,
It seems to me that you may be a supporter of Bin Laden and his efforts and are just going around trying to promote and justify his cause.
It seems silly to me that you would think that just because nobody reading your post here is able or chooses to comply with your idea, that all astral projection is fake or useless. That is not a logical assumption.. at least in the way my mind works. :scratchy: I suggest you rethink your idea and see how this is definitely not the case.
And as far as God protecting Bin Laden... I don't think you could prove this by this little experiment either. Maybe you could ask God yourself and find find out... if this is really what you want to know.
I'm not trying to be rude, my friend, but I just wish to point out the nonsensicle nature of your assumptions. :wave:
Good Energy...
:color: Covelo :color:
Quote from: kiwibongaPlease don't turn this thread into
- Conspiracy theory talk
He mentioned Osama. Fair game. You can't talk about Osama without talking about conspiracy. Forget about it, Dave.
http://control-alt-delete.ca
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com
http://911.freelancepartnership.com
http://www.letsroll911.org
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
http://www.lonelantern.org
http://www.infowars.com
http://www.prisonplanet.com
And even Jack Cafferty for frak's sake:
http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2006/cyb20060120.asp#1
I have followed many conspiracy theories and I do think there is a lot of shady stuff going on with the US government in regards to the 9/11 aftermath.
For this thread, however, there is no call to talk about the conspiracy theories, because we are not trying to prove or find out anything about government cover ups or justifications for wars, etc ; the man exists and is america's most wanted terrorist, period.
If you want to talk about conspiracy theories, it would probably be wise to open a different thread...
Quote from: kiwibongaI have followed many conspiracy theories and I do think there is a lot of shady stuff going on with the US government in regards to the 9/11 aftermath.
For this thread, however, there is no call to talk about the conspiracy theories, because we are not trying to prove or find out anything about government cover ups or justifications for wars, etc ; the man exists and is america's most wanted terrorist, period.
Are you certain he exists? There's little doubt he existed at one point in time, but can we be sure he does now? Like, as a flesh and blood religious fanatic / terrorist?
Quote
If you want to talk about conspiracy theories, it would probably be wise to open a different thread...
WRONG. I suspect if an APer wants to find Osama, they're gonna need all the information on him they can get. Some of it may be correct; some of it may be disinformation. If the APer can get to the truth by using all information available, then frakking post it. Besides, Abraham's just here to provoke. Why should anyone take him seriously?
Well, I don't know... I don't think Abraham is being provocative, rather strongly skeptic, which is easy to understand.
Anyway, about Bin Laden, he's real because his birth was documented by a birth certificate. Whether it's real or not is unfortunately impossible to verify, but even if he has nothing to do with any kind of terrorist activity, there was someone called Osama Bin Laden, born in 1955 in Saudi Arabia, the son of Muhammad Bin Laden. He has over 50 brothers and sisters... Sweet polygamy! :p
Anyway, about finding people/places in the astral -- I've seen the question being asked countless times... Some people claimed that they were able to visit places they had never seen with their own eyes before they astrally projected there, just by thinking of the place's name. Someone even claimed to have won the lottery by simply wishing to see the numbers while astrally projecting...
I just don't think "finding osama bin laden" would be such a difficult endeavor -- it probably takes not much more than the will to do so, and knowledge about the person and their life is only of relative importance...
Once again, this is all gathered from my readings and not actual experience ; finding Osama is however on my "list" of things to do when I become capable of leaving my body consciously, and I will be sure to revive this thread when I find him :p
Quote from: AbrahamQuote from: interceptionQuote from: dreamerukHi I'm new here but from what I have just read, you all seem to be jumping on Abraham's back with no valid reason.
He asked a simple question and I for one seem to think he has a point. I was under the impression that if you thought of somebody when you were projecting then you would go to that person.
You do not just go to anybody you think of. It isn't magic. It doesn't work that way.
A person ignorant of the way things work in the astral or the real time zone should not come in here with preconceived notions and religious convictions and then start demanding proof of this, that and the other.
This sort of thing is just plain annoying to me. I think I would annoy the hell out of a Islam forum if I were to burst onto one and start demanding proof of the various believes expressed in the Qur'an.
Actually I wouldnt mind at all. I frequently visit the forum www.revivingislam.com
Ask any questions you would like there!
Abraham,
How would you like it if I came to your forums and said the following:
"If your god, Allah, is real and so mighty...then why does he not smite all non-believers? If he doesn't, then:
1) He is not real and your religion is fake and/or useless in this world.
2) Allah is not as powerful as another God"
Notice how provocative and ignorant that statement is; now try to apply this new understanding to your original post.
Please we dont have to change the subject of the threads and go on a politic/war/other country subject.
QuoteI just don't think "finding osama bin laden" would be such a difficult endeavor -- it probably takes not much more than the will to do so, and knowledge about the person and their life is only of relative importance...
:shock:
I wish it was that easy. Believe me. This is probably the hardest topic of all to explain to someonewho has little or no experience of projection. I was actually about to attempt to but I wont because its way to f'in hard. Besides, why is this in Discussion? Wouldnt this be more of a Chat topic?
Heres a hypothetical situation:
I lay down and attempt to project to OBL. Right off the bat I could fail my attempt and simply fall asleep, or go into a lucid dream which is a seperate area of consciousness where dreams take place. I could locate OBL in my local walmart or anywhere I wished to because thought=action. Even if I didnt fail my attempt, projection for me and most others is usually a relatively short endeavor. I could try simply asking to be taken to him but I have had no success with this approach ever. I could attempt to get to the middle east and comb as much area as I could but that would be the most painstaking and annoying thing I could possibly waste my time on. Abraham. If you dont have any problems with attempting AP I would say you should learn how. Then you can stop coming here and bugging is about it and do it yourself. Seems a bit simpler to me. I always say if you want something done right you do it yourself. Besides, you would get the reward then.
If Osama is dead, it would be quite relevant to the subject of the original post.
If US agencies are not actually interested in capturing Osama, then that would also be quite relevant to the subject of the original post.
Like someone else has said, it's fair game in those regards. What I don't get is how you nutters that believe in flying around outside of your body won't entertain why two fake Osama tapes were publicized in the United States, one after 9/11 and the other just before the 2004 presidential elections. :P
The first post of this thread made assumptions that (a) Osama is still alive, (b) US intelligence is actually interested in capturing him, and (c) people have tried locating Osama via the astral.
I remember that there were threads on finding Saddam in the astral earlier here on AP, and most probably someone has suggested finding Osama on here in the past as well. I think people actually were making attempts on here, if anyone wants to dig back into those threads and see what was posted. This was probably back in 2003 when we had already invaded Iraq and were just hunting Saddam.
Edit: Here is an actual thread of Kakkarot's challenging AP members to find either Osama or Saddam, from August 2003:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6222
It's 7 pages long, so maybe there's some info in that. I found two (identical) posts claiming Saddam was spotted in the astral with his cord severed and therefore dead, but I skimmed over the responses and there was no meat in any of the replies, only the topic posts.
Quote from: AbrahamQuoteThe Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.
I am just curious. If you truly believe your Astral Projection is worth anything, or that your out of body experiences are real, then why havent you found Osama? It has probably crossed some of your minds.
So my challenge to you all is to find the locatino of Osama bin Laden, and report it to the FBI to get your reward. And if you cant do such a 'simple endeavor' then either
1) your astral projection is fake or useless in reality
2) God is protecting Osama bin Laden like many think.
Thanks,
Abraham
It is a combo actually. All AP is fake
and God is protecting Osama. Hope this answers your question and helps you to move on.
Why dont you just pray to allah to have him strike down osama with lightning?
if you cannot do this i must mantain the opinion that islam and all other organized religion is a crock of BS.
Quote from: TomboQuote from: AbrahamQuoteThe Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.
I am just curious. If you truly believe your Astral Projection is worth anything, or that your out of body experiences are real, then why havent you found Osama? It has probably crossed some of your minds.
So my challenge to you all is to find the locatino of Osama bin Laden, and report it to the FBI to get your reward. And if you cant do such a 'simple endeavor' then either
1) your astral projection is fake or useless in reality
2) God is protecting Osama bin Laden like many think.
Thanks,
Abraham
It is a combo actually. All AP is fake and God is protecting Osama. Hope this answers your question and helps you to move on.
Thats the best answer i ever heard! Bravo! :lol:
And herein endeth the discussion. Thread locked.
Amen.