Today I had a very strange AP. It's remarkable only because I got to talk to someone and extract some value information from the astral.
It started with me slumbering on a afternoon nap. I entered the AP world within minutes.
I found myself in a big gray building flying from floor to floor in amazing lucidity I found an exit and made it outside. The first thing that came into view was a park in maybe... Chicago? I stopped next to someone with an RC plane and went up to talk to him.
"Can you see me?" I asked.
"No," he replied quickly.
"So how do you know I'm right here?"
He just smiled and I moved on. I asked several other people if they could see me and the answer was always no. Were these real people?? Who where these astral beings in this beautiful city?
I found an outside cafe and sat down. The waitress came over and I ordered the menu. That's when it got weird. The hole restaurant staff started going crazy looking for a menu. They where almost worried I would find them out. I moved on.
I found this beautiful girl sitting on the grass in the park. I sat down next to her and asked her if she was Ok. We started a long talk about the nature of herself and the city. She said "We are Negatives. And this city is called New Saint Claires."
"What is a Negative??" I asked. She just smiled. I started kissing her then and it was lovely. All except for that familiar swill taste that all Negatives carry. They taste like a little bitter on the mouth. Some much more than others. I said goodbye to her and lifted into the air. She stood up and waved at me for the longest time. They where all so nice... even if they where "Negatives".
This AP sorta scared me because I could not wake from it. I would wake up in my bed only to be plunged back into the AP world immediately. I could not wake back up! Finally I awoke in my bed and I realized that there was a presence that was vibrating me asleep. It was there on the edge of my awareness. It was like a pulsing green star. I could of been lulled back to sleep and back into the AP world without a second thought if I hadn't forcefully gotten out of bed and shaken myself from my wild experience.
The Negatives huh?? What the heck??? More like the Phantoms! :-o
I've no idea.
Whatever it is, it's something formed from your mind and your concepts.
What does "The Negatives" mean to you?
You seemingly already have the beginning of a concept formed... for you say, "All except for that familiar swill taste that all Negatives carry." That means you have some kind of concept for it, it's just that putting it into English terms for US to understand might be hard, if not impossible.
I don't know either. Several folks at the other AP forum have agreed that the beings they encountered and kissed in their adventures taste awful too. Like some bitter sour swill taste. So I'm not the only one encountering this phenomena.
We surmised that the astral is only a dream realm. There is no shared astral. And that the beings we encounter are phantoms. In this case they came out and said they where Negatives. Maybe that's what they call themselves. And each and everyone of us houses millions of these beings within us... and entire cities and planets and maybe even Universes! Full of Negatives... with only one Positive - ourselves.
Anyway... that's my personal spin on it. Not sure though.
I'm completely lost as to how or why you come to those particular conclusions...
But meh, I'm glad you've got your own personal spin on it.
The next step now is to gather more personal evidence to either prove or disprove your "personal spin" to yourself. ;)
My phantom phenomena isn't isolated to my dreams or astral travels either. They happen in real life. A few years back I was stalked by several people who lived in the neighboring apartments. This happened 3 times in 3 different complexes. I don't know what their deal was. When they confronted me they seemed angry and would jump at any excuse to argue with me. There was almost a desperateness about them as if they wanted something from me.
The last apartment complex I was in some psychic association from the city actually paid me a visit in regard to a complaint from the neighbors below me. They didn't give me too many details... they just asked me a lot of questions about who I was, what my religious beliefs were, and if I was taking any drugs. (?)
Yeah this went on for years... I would come home from work and the "banging" would begin. My neighbors would bang against the walls as if I had the music turned on too loud - over and over. I really wonder what the heck was happening to them and what they where experiencing. I think they where phantoms to me and they wanted something.
I eventually found a house in the country... where I live now and that makes life a lot more peaceful. I still experience the phantom phenomena when I go out though... people around me will be having conversations about the exact same thing that I'm thinking about. So so so strange. There was a time when I was desperate to understand why this was happening to me. I don't care anymore though. The less I think about it the better I guess... but I still don't have an answer.
So that's where I was going with my "personal spin". The phantoms in my astral and the phantoms in real life display the same phenomena.
Don't say it... I'm not mentally ill. This really happened to me. :?
Quote from: shineling on June 29, 2011, 18:37:00
My phantom phenomena isn't isolated to my dreams or astral travels either. They happen in real life. A few years back I was stalked by several people who lived in the neighboring apartments. This happened 3 times in 3 different complexes. I don't know what their deal was. When they confronted me they seemed angry and would jump at any excuse to argue with me. There was almost a desperateness about them as if they wanted something from me.
The last apartment complex I was in some psychic association from the city actually paid me a visit in regard to a complaint from the neighbors below me. They didn't give me too many details... they just asked me a lot of questions about who I was, what my religious beliefs were, and if I was taking any drugs. (?)
Yeah this went on for years... I would come home from work and the "banging" would begin. My neighbors would bang against the walls as if I had the music turned on too loud - over and over. I really wonder what the heck was happening to them and what they where experiencing. I think they where phantoms to me and they wanted something.
I eventually found a house in the country... where I live now and that makes life a lot more peaceful. I still experience the phantom phenomena when I go out though... people around me will be having conversations about the exact same thing that I'm thinking about. So so so strange. There was a time when I was desperate to understand why this was happening to me. I don't care anymore though. The less I think about it the better I guess... but I still don't have an answer.
So that's where I was going with my "personal spin". The phantoms in my astral and the phantoms in real life display the same phenomena.
Don't say it... I'm not mentally ill. This really happened to me. :?
As for the rest of this... you're not the mentally ill one.
Again, you seem to be taking all this upon yourself... why are you doing that?
Why are you making these grand assumptions that all of this is YOUR fault? O_o
Crazy people in neighbouring apartments...
Crazy city psychic... (?)
Crazy neighbours banging on your walls for NO reason...
I don't see how you can blame yourself for these situations... and I certainly don't see any connections between those and your, personally labelled astral phantoms.
Sometimes crap happens. Don't ask why, just deal with it... that's part of life.
once i went to the supermarket as i normally do at night,
as i was entering the spirit said in my ear watch this they are deamons
suddenly the entire place felt different and everybody in the super market had dark brown eyes,
be quiet my spirit said to me, and all of a sudden i could hear what they were all thinking
it was like crossing a parallel, into another world and it was great fun but really weird
:NoY:
I actually see a connection between your meddlesome neighbours and your astral experience with "The negatives". As soon as these people were bothering you, your unconscious formulated an image, a view, and an opinion of them. This world started in your mind from there an then and it is where these characters live...it's where they thrive until you deem them no longer useful...
...wait...useful? Were they ever useful, you might ask me. Yes. I posit that they are there, in your unconscious mind as a representation of something that you dislike, perhaps, or something that you ought not to be. It reminds you of them to provide you with a learning curve.
The Phase can provide you with a good internal picture. Like in Alice in wonderland! You have already made the association between The Negatives and those meddlesome neighbours. The name "Negatives could be a pun for how you feel about them...
Quotepeople around me will be having conversations about the exact same thing that I'm thinking about. So so so strange.
This happens to me AAAAALL the time with the radio, the telly and even people having conversations nearby. It coincides with what I am thinking or what I am writing or even saying out loud. There is a theory which posits that elements in the universe seek each other out in sympathy...then there are coincidences which, in all fairness, happen quite a lot. It would be even weirder if they didn't considering the number of existent things and the wide array of events. Also, let's not forget that the local/known universe started from a massive explosion which is still ongoing...perhaps on an intrinsic level all things are quantum entangled.
shineling, could it be an Aspect of Self (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/retrievals_aspects_of_self_werewolf_amp_deformed_man-t34118.0.html) that wants to reunite with you?
Also the word "Negatives" could be several things from being "the originals", to being a joke on the Negs thema, meaning that you were the "ghosts" at the moment.
I almost forgot. The neighbors banging on the walls, Vicky Short has reported something similar in her book Persephone's Journey (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews/vicky_short_persephones_journey-t33641.0.html).
You may want to look that up.
Xanth: You don't entertain the possibility he was at a real location somewhere?
Quote from: shineling on June 29, 2011, 16:12:41
I don't know either. Several folks at the other AP forum have agreed that the beings they encountered and kissed in their adventures taste awful too. Like some bitter sour swill taste. So I'm not the only one encountering this phenomena....
When I first read this I went, "whoa!". This was something that I had experienced multiple times but had never read or seen mentioned anywhere.
I think 'awful' might be overstating it a bit. But I have wondered about the 'bitter' taste that would sometimes darken an otherwise very bright LD experience but I never could figure what it was about. If you hadn't mentioned it I probably would have just left it as one of those odd things that I never quite understand. Now that I see it is part of broader experience I will keep it in mind as a question to possibly find an answer to some day.
Quote from: c0sm0nautt on June 29, 2011, 21:51:43
Xanth: You don't entertain the possibility he was at a real location somewhere?
I'm not sure what you mean.
I never mentioned anything about his non-physical environment... at least I don't think I did.
Oops I misread what you wrote. My bad.
I know...
I am still learning a lot about these Negatives I have or phantoms. I've become much more comfortable around them. I know for a fact, as an example, that some people I see on the street are not real. They are phantoms or my Negatives. I think the more I've learned to AP the more this phenomena has occurred. It's like I have thousands of these REAL phantoms around me. And I make a phantom out of anyone else who is around me for very long.
Didn't Don Juan say to Carlos... that luminous beings travel far beyond all man? Making a normal person a phantom to them. I believe this is what is happening to me. It takes a lot of bravery and clear headed-ness to live in such a situation. That is why all of us must remain warriors. This is a difficult path to finish.
I wish you all APers good dreams.
.s.
I've been practising the Phase for three years now and so far I don't see anything unusual in the waking state. Are you sure you're not hallucinating? A lot of people are willing to accept the mysticism without question and yet they overlook the brain's potential. Do you have any idea how amazing the brain is and what illusions you can experience if you were to stimulate it? It is virtually a biological supercomputer with more connections than you can imagine.
QuoteI eventually found a house in the country... where I live now and that makes life a lot more peaceful. I still experience the phantom phenomena when I go out though... people around me will be having conversations about the exact same thing that I'm thinking about. So so so strange. There was a time when I was desperate to understand why this was happening to me.
This is an interesting story you tell. I solved the "people problems" in apartment buildings in a similar manner. I finally just rented a room in a house with only the landlord/owner sharing. Neither of us did drugs or drank much and we spent most of our time staying out of each other's way. The worst thing was when he would eat my food and even eat most of my eggs and maybe leave one (1) ! in the carton for me to enjoy on Sunday morning... thanks pal.... :roll:
The one part about the apartment life that I missed was those lazy afternoons by the pool on hot summer weekends.
I think it is good the way you are self observing during the day. One powerful technique taught in some Schools is to take FULL responsibility for ALL that occurs in your universe. This is easy when good things happen but can be a challenge when bad things happen. Searching for and finding when, where and how the seeds were planted can be nearly impossible at times. But pursue this vigorously and incredible Growth of an Eternal nature can begin.