Translation/Memory problem

[holy reality]

i'd like to know the same... i just recently had a dream which i've now forgotten, but messages were being communicated to me and immediately upon waking up i could not understand the messages anymore

i remember i was watching the simpsons and subliminal messages were flashing something like "do you think you're being watched?" and it had something to do with the govt spying on me.... then there were people talking about me while i was out of body, it was probably my own subconscious thoughts though manifesting themselves somehow.

maybe the things that can't be translated are in essence meaningless and we just believe that they have a meaning because we are in an altered and accepting state of consciousness where we might see a talking a dog and think nothing of it.

[quetzalcoatl]

I guess they could just be subconscious effluvia.  Random thoughts emanating from our thought patterns.  

What is meaning anyway?  I'd say that something has meaning  if we are able to incorporate it into our cognitive framework or relate it to stuff we already "know".   If I say "I saw  a purple dog in my dream."  We can give it meaning.  We have knowledge of sight, purple and dog.  If I say "99 re;lk \\# - oisdf*//r" it has no meaning because it is too different from what we "know".  If it is too different from what we already "know" then we have no way of incorporating it into our general body of knowledge.  If we can't follow a chain of associations to it we can't access it consciously.  

Hopefully I'm making sense because now I have some questions.  Is it possible to build up "knowledge" in a way completely unrelated to our concept of ego, body or self?  What would this perception be like?  Does consciousness have to have an "I"?  Just food for thought....Buddhist food  

[Tolvor]

Ah...  the things you are talking about - the meanings and importance of messages, and the absorption of knowledge relates to something called 'Information Theory'.  You should do a search on it, its somewhat dry but it addresses your questions.

Now why you can't interpret the knowledge from a dream, that isn't information theory, and I don't know why.  I've had a recurring dream my entire life where I'm in a bookstore, and find a section of books that I've always wanted.  I greatly desire these books.  In the dream I can clearly see the books, the author's name clearly, and the cover.  And I always forget it upon waking.  Frustrating in the extreme.

[quetzalcoatl]

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has this problem and if there is anything that can be done about it.

This has more to do with the hypnogogic state than OBE.  When I take a nap or early in the mornings I notice I'll be thinking about things and at some point the thoughts change into images.  The deeper into the state I go the more inexplicable the images become.  My problem is that if I wake myself up I'm completely unable to vocalize what I was thinking or even what the image looked like.  It doesn't seem that I'm just forgetting what I was thinking or seeing, it's just that I don't think my conscious mind is able to understand it.  Is there any way to bridge the gap.  Right now I'm just trying to refine my awareness by entering this state in a more controlled way.