Trying Out WBTB Method

+Explorer+ · June 20, 2009, 06:26:32

Hello everyone, I have been trying to astral project for around 9 months now. During these 9 months I haven't had much time to practice though because of school and stress. Now im stress free because I am on summer break for a little more than 1 month. I have a lot of time now so I really want to dedicate myself to astral projection. I am going to try and go to sleep every night at around 7-8 PM and wake up at 3 AM. Then I will stay awake for 1 hour and go back to sleep and try to project.

Today I tried this technique out for the first time. I went to sleep last night at 9 PM and woke up naturally this morning at exactly 2:59 AM. (alarm clock was set at 3:00 AM) I went on the internet and read up on astral projection until 4:00 AM. Then I went back to bed and started to mediate. I got really relaxed, saw hypnogogic imagery, and 2 times my legs twitched really bad. I stopped meditating and it was 5:13 AM. I was meditating for 1 HR 13 MIN. I got tired of meditation and so I just woke up to start out the day.

Does anyone have any suggestions. I really want to astral project. I have tried for 9 months and astral projection has been on my mind 24/7 now. Im also trying to start a dream journal because I keep losing dream recall when I stop writing down my dreams. Should I write down my dreams when I wake up at 3:00 AM and then stay awake for an hour reading up on astral projection?

All help greatly appreciated

+Explorer+

T.L. · June 20, 2009, 14:51:34

Keeping a dream journal helps if you have bad dream recall. Also I think you are going to bed way too early. If you went to bed at 9PM and woke up at 3PM that's six hours of sleep, and it would be hard to make the body go back to sleep. Hence why you decided to get up and start out your day. Why not try to go to bed at midnight and wake up at 3AM. From all the research I've done it seems that body creates the chemicals necessary for projection in the greatest amounts from 3AM - 5AM. Or if you want go to bed around 9PM but have your alarm set to midnight, then put in your attempt. Six hours just seems too long to be asleep and then to try and put your physical body back to sleep, Im sure it will feel rested enough not to fall back to sleep. Good luck.

dbmathis · June 20, 2009, 20:34:51

T.L., I am not so sure about the 3 hours of sleep suggestion. Perhaps I am odd, but I go to bed around 10 PM and always have successful projections around 5 - 7 AM after waking up and then going back to bed.

T.L. · June 20, 2009, 20:46:08

Every body requires a different amount of sleep. If I slept for six hours then woke up I could relax enough, but my physical body would not go back to sleep. I guess it all depends on the person. When I take the first three hours of sleep (which is when a person normally sleeps the deepest) slipping into a projection is really easy. It's all about trial and error though, and obviously the six hours of sleep was too much for the original poster to be able to get his body back to sleep. I find it easiest if you get the body wanting more sleep, and that just doesn't happen with me if I let it sleep 6 hours.

dbmathis · June 20, 2009, 21:01:16

Maybe it was too much who knows for sure. I have pretty erratic sleep patterns, I only wish that my internal clock was so precise. I am up programming till 2 AM some nights and then in bed at 10 PM most of the time. Then my daughter wakes me up at different times and on top of that I carry a blackberry for work and must respond to site issues late at night too.

I remember one night it was around 4 AM and my daughter had just climbed into bed and was rolling over and knocking into me and I was thinking to myself that I would never project again and then within the next 15 minutes I was projectiing. So far I have found no consistent pattern to it all.

I bet my focus would be fantastic without distractions.

+Explorer+, based on your initial post it seems like you have only tried the 9 PM and then up at 3 AM technique once. I would suggest at least trying it for a couple of weeks before drawing any conclusions and then adjust sleep accordingly.

+Explorer+ · June 20, 2009, 21:09:51

Thanks for the input guys. Today was the first day I tried out this technique. I'll try it for a couple of weeks and if I can't project I might as well try out Lucidology 102. I'll go to bed today at around 10:00 PM or 11:00 PM and wake up at around 2 or 3. I just hope I can get into sleep paralysis and have a projection!

dbmathis · June 20, 2009, 21:12:44

+Explorer+, I have Lucidology 101 and 102. I'm assuming you watched 101 already based on the WBTB int he subject line. I found 102 to be very useful as it teaches some visualization techniques that I have not seen anywhere else. It kinda builds on 101.

Good luck with it all.

T.L. · June 21, 2009, 03:48:45

"So far I have found no consistent pattern to it all. I bet my focus would be fantastic without distractions."

The inconsistency of it is why I suggest we are limited by the chemical processes in the brain/body. One day you project without being entirely relaxed and not on the verge of sleep, other times you are completely relaxed hovering on the edge of sleep for almost 40 minutes and nothing happens. I think my best record was projecting four days in a row. There are a lot of variables to account for that interact with the body in such a way to create the chemicals needed for separation Im sure, and perhaps what I was eating, and how much I was eating played a significant role. I have looked forever for a way to consistently project (short of death lol) and I have yet to figure it out. Perhaps one day we will. We all have distractions my friend. I have a daughter also, she is 2 and hell bent on making her father (me) lose his mind.

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