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Quote from: missym on March 15, 2010, 01:59:00Sounds like the sensations that happen before experiencing the vibrations.Trust me, when you get them, you will know The first few times I got them, I had to stop (It felt like my mind was enduring an 8.0 earthquake) and was shaking violently afterward, I believe this is because my energy body was not used to so much energy flowing through it. Gradually, they become less and less strong and now all I feel is tingly/buzzing..I have stopped a session halfway through and opened my eyes many times, it interrupts your focus point and your state of consciousness, although if you close your eyes again right away you can get back there fairly easily.
Quote from: RisingSonThey are unmistakable though - very different from other sensations I get when going into a light trance, say during meditation. As for the other sensations you may get together with the "vibes" - increased heart beat, noises, touching, falling/floating sensations - that is all potentially a part of the transition state and should simply be accepted, not fought against, IMO.
Quote from: Koyaanisqatsi on March 15, 2010, 17:56:20So i wanted to start a thread on Vibrations but then i noticed this one. Okay, i have a problem. HOW DO YOU REACH FOR THE VIBRATIONS?
Quote from: CFTravelerForgive me if someone else said this already- I confess I didn't read all the posts- but you don't reach for the vibrations. 'Reaching' for the vibrations was a concept Monroe coined at the beginning of his experiments. His views about this changed after he had some experience.Vibrations are transitional sensations. This means that you are at a certain trance state, still aware, and your consciousness is changing. This change is felt as vibrations (with sounds sometimes). This shows your awareness is changing. You don't 'make them happen', you experience them as you make the trance happen.
QuoteThe way you get to the exit state is to maintain conscious awareness as your body falls asleep- there are many meditational methods (including energy work) to help you achieve this state without falling asleep. The technique Central thread has many of these- pick and choose.
Quote from: Koyaanisqatsi on March 16, 2010, 10:24:47First of all, what is a WBTB situation?
QuoteI have to say i have never tried to do meditation. It has always seemed to be pointless to me. Although i understand the concept of energy work i figured it would be a lot cooler if i could get out of my body and go somewhere.
QuoteNow as far as the other sensations are concerned, i have experienced Heart pounding, noises(but not internal, instead i hear noises in my room when i practice, they always scare the crap out of me, but they always are something normal(i.e. my air condition cooling off, making noises from the temp difference that sort of stuff).), no touching, falling i have encountered oftentimes during my sleep. I get the sensation that i am falling eternally and then suddenly i wake up. Floating now i have never experienced.
QuoteIt is the acronym for Wake Back To Bed. The basic idea is to sleep long enough to give your body an adequate delta wave deep sleep and then wake up for a while, hopefully near a REM cycle, and then go back to bed and use your visualization methods and so on to enter a trance and hopefully an OBE or lucid dream. You have to figure out the best time for you since each person has different needs. For me, about 4 hours of sleep is perfect. I wake by alarm of course and then meditate for a half hour or so. Another option is to listen to a binaural beat recording. Then I go back to bed in full awareness, but also in a half trance already.
QuoteMeditation is a practice of focus, and focus is critical in attempting an OBE as far as I can tell. I too used to think that meditation did nothing for me (actually that is it's major point, to not do). I learned early on that practicing it alongside physical energy work made both more effective. By practicing meditation you can enhance your ability to enter trance states, find mental and physical blocks in your mind/body, and also learn to balance your energy. I've never actually projected from sitting meditation (my preferred stance), but I've had some pretty amazing hypnagogic imagery and sounds. You have to practice it like any other discipline to find what it can do for you. Soon it will become as easy as falling off the proverbial log.
QuoteThese all are common symptoms of "the vibrational state" and my opinion it is best not to fight them or put any negative spin on them. The heart pounding can be a result of being really afraid and having your physical heart actually going like mad, or it can just be another "phantom" sensation like the sounds you're hearing (please don't ask me about the heart chakra on this one). Don't worry, they will pass, or you'll learn a way around fearing them. The big trick is to not fear what happens during the transition - the more you resist, the more likely those sensations will amplify or keep you stuck. When I get uncomfortable in there I laugh or simply flow with whatever is happening. I don't think anyone has ever died from them, so fear not! I would add that vibrations are very gentle anymore for me, soothing really, not the violent ones I used to have when I was younger.
QuoteThe amygdala, for example is a structure which is implicated in "emotional" memories, like those which create fears, panic attacks and post-traumatic stress disorder. All these problems appear after a very frightening experience takes place and are imprinted upon the brain. Because the cerebral system in which they depend functions independently of conscious, rational thinking, those problems resist to treatments via conscious, logical arguments. If someone has a flight phobia, it is useless to say, "Calm down-Every year more people are killed by bicycles than by airplanes".
QuoteKoyaanisqatsi wrote:Trance for me is a state of being where first of all you are laid in a bed or a (comfy armchair) comfortably, and you try to relax all your muscles so you in a way cancel your body awareness, leaving you only with the awareness of either your conscious or your subconscious factor. That is my definition of trance. Let's compare notes and see how we can communicate from there on.
QuoteGenerally last night i felt i was really close to achieving something and before i can make progress i think i have to change a few things on the physical part. First of all i need a better pillow(Sorry guys for my babbling, i know it doesn't interest anyone but i want to make a point) because my head gets tired after a while and i have to move it(Somehow i get the feeling that the less you move during an effort to exit the better for the whole experience) and i have to do something about my watery eyes and my yawning. Any recommendations would be welcome.
QuoteI call this very light trance- you are relaxed, very unaware of your body, but you can hear ambient sound and can move your body. Medium trance (for me) is when ambient sound becomes muted by your own 'inner' sound, but still can move, and Deep trance is when all outside stimulus is gone, and it's all you, and you are if not paralyzed as close to paralyzed as you can be.The problem with these classifications is that they sort of make you take notice of your body- so I recommend that you focus on your perceptions and how your mind reacts to them. For example, if you click out and know you did, that is good- it means you are aware. If you can keep discipline to 'stay' in it, the transition will come soon.
QuoteIt sounds like you may need a different position. I usually project on a recliner I have in my bedroom.This is good for me, because I keep my sleeping space and my projecting space different, ritualizing the operation, and also keeps me from having sleep problems. But it's in my bedroom, so I can shut the door and keep the cats out, which have really great timing, when it comes to my trance.If you are so uncomfortable that you need to move, do it, and then dedicate the rest of the time to your practice, because you don't want to focus on your discomfort.
QuoteSo the way i understand it is that progressively you have to drag yourself to a deep trance to release from your body. Is that right?
Quote from: Koyaanisqatsi on March 17, 2010, 07:20:32@RisingSonSo i have a question here, what if instead of sleeping i could use a brainwave generator and artificially induce delta waves? If i do that then isn't the WBTB a redundant process?
QuoteI've been trying to deepen my concentration(i am sure that we are talking about the same thing(?)) ever since i was a kid. I am fairly fair at it nowadays. Although there are a few things that turn me up and a few things that turn me down. Meditation is a practice that's in between for me, it conjures neither hot nor cold. Well, dunno, if all else fails i might take up on that advice. It's just that i want to focus on the thingie i REALLY want to experience, and that is an Out of Body experience. Been wanting that for AGES.
QuoteWell, please allow me to tell you a few things about fear that you might or might not be aware of. Fear is NOT a product of logic. You cannot tell a person to stop fearing something, because it is physiologically impossible for one to go beyond fear using logic. The only thing you can really do is grow courage(or a sense of adventure as i like to call it), and act while you still are afraid. I have recently read a neurology book that mentions exactly that. I think the same applies here. In order to go beyond your fear you have to cross it. So i guess that summarizes it.