Vibrations? A theory...

[Xanth]

I guess I'll have to do some deep self-questioning to figure out why I don't experience them anymore.  I don't exactly consider myself an experienced projector... only having experiences once a month or so on average lately. 

Perhaps, Phasing really does just bypass that part... I have no other explanation for it really.  At least no other explanations yet. 

[daytona955]

Have to say that when I first experienced vibrations (approx 14 years ago) I had no idea what was happening to me. I had never investigated OBE or AP before and I never actually projected either, (because I didn't know that I could, or that it was even possible).
I have experienced SP on and off for approximately 23 years, but when the vibrations hit me again for a second time (just about 3 or 4 months ago) I then investigated through the modern wonders of the internet and found you guys! Since then I have only been reading up about the likes of Monroe etc, and it's typical of me that I have not had a fully conscious SP since!!! 
It is this reason that leads me to believe that I must be an energy of some form, but why it seems to have disappeared in some more experienced people is beyond me.

[Volgerle]

I guess I'll have to do some deep self-questioning to figure out why I don't experience them anymore.... Phasing really does just bypass that part...

So you actually DID experience them in the beginning? Doesn't this lend weight to the hypothesis of the "learning curve" / "higher energetic efficiency" effect? I think we should not ignore the fact that many projectors first experience them and then it lessens (which is not expectation related - how could it be)?
Well, and maybe the technique of Phasing is exactly that: it is "advanced" OBEing without energy frictions by more skilled (or naturally talented and thus vibrationless-from-the start-) projectors.

[Xanth]

So you actually DID experience them in the beginning? Doesn't this lend weight to the hypothesis of the "learning curve" / "higher energetic efficiency" effect? I think we should not ignore the fact that many projectors first experience them and then it lessens (which is not expectation related - how could it be)?
Well, and maybe the technique of Phasing is exactly that: it is "advanced" OBEing without energy frictions by more skilled (or naturally talented and thus vibrationless-from-the start-) projectors.

For me personally, I read about the Vibrations long before I actually experienced them myself... so from a personal point of view, I can't really use that as a basis anymore since so many people have experiences that completely contradict that.  As for why people who do classical OBE separations experience them at the start and then those experiences diminish over time... is quite strange, and is, I believe, what we're trying to pin down here.

As for Phasing... I really do truly believe it's something that every human being does every single night of their lives when they go to bed and dream... also many people do it consciously terming it a "WILD" (wake induced lucid dream... ie: Robert Bruce calls this a Lucid Dream Projection) and in a slightly lesser degree, "day dreaming".  It's because of this that I can't really define it as something "advanced"... to me, it actually seems like the "easier" method by which to perceive "there", but that would just be my opinion. 

I think people try to complicate the matter by believing it's "advanced" or "special"... when, again, in my opinion, it's really not.

In the end though... your hypothesis is really just as good as anyone elses and we can definitely mark it down in the 'possibly' column. 

[CFTraveler]

I didn't need to read the entire thread to state my opinion --- because it is all relative to interpretation =). CFTraveler, I read your links and I did not know that! It is interesting how far it goes back. I guess I meant "modern day" adventurers likely get the "Vibration" idea from Monroe.

But as you can see from many of our reports, many of us got the vibes before we read about it and searching for an explanation is what got us to actually read about them.  Except for Xanth and others, who experienced them after reading about them.
It seems to me that if a large segment of the experiencer population has them at least at first, and some of us lose them after cultivation and experience, it should not be considered a self-fulfilling prophecy, instead a genuine phenomenon dependent on the experience, at least at first.
Considering them a case of 'autossugestion' does not serve to explain them, and it makes honest experiencers feel that they have not been taken seriously.

A long time ago I asked a bunch of church ladies about having OBE or OBE dreams, and an astounding amount of them (about twenty percent) admitted having spontaneous OBEs, and all of the experiencers reported vibrations.  What is more interesting is that about ten percent more (including the minister) admitted awakening to vibrations (without the OBE).   Only about ten percent of them pursued the experience and knew anything about projection, one had read books on it and wanted to learn to do it.
I ended up giving a class on OBE at the church.  This was a very openminded group.

ps. I no longer get vibrations, except on the odd occasion when I wake up from a dream or come back from a projection in the middle of the night.
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[Volgerle]

I ended up giving a class on OBE at the church.  This was a very openminded group.

what a cool church 

[CFTraveler]

Indeed.  It was a small church and everyone knew each other.

[jub jub]

Xanth, I think the reason you don't feel the vibrations when phasing is, you are synchronizing your energy field with that of that of the Astral at a slower rate. Whereas, people that spontaneously project, go from the physical to the etheric rather rapidly. I know it sounds like a simple enough explanation but, when you consider everything has a natural occuring vibration, it makes perfect sense.

[Xanth]

I would have actually said the exact opposite.

People who etherically project do so slower... and Phasing is a more "quick change" method.

Funny how we perceive things differently like that.   

[ka0s]

CFTraveler,

I guess I can not relate because I never got vibrations except until after I read about them, as well. Besides "witnessing" separation, the only "vibes" i would ever get would be upon reentry and it was more like distortions of noises such as buzzing sounds.

"But as you can see from many of our reports, many of us got the vibes before we read about it and searching for an explanation is what got us to actually read about them.  Except for Xanth and others, who experienced them after reading about them.
It seems to me that if a large segment of the experiencer population has them at least at first, and some of us lose them after cultivation and experience, it should not be considered a self-fulfilling prophecy, instead a genuine phenomenon dependent on the experience, at least at first.
Considering them a case of 'autossugestion' does not serve to explain them, and it makes honest experiencers feel that they have not been taken seriously.
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I suppose I don't disagree with you considering the evidence of how many people has had them at first and then started searching or reading about them. I read somewhere at one time about a theory of us being on one "frequency" and that if we were to distort from that frequency we would experience vibrations in that distortion -- possibly leading to another dimension. I have not done extensive research on the subject but I do find it quite interesting. At the end of the day i'm not 100% sure where I fall in the subject because of my lack of experiencing them.

My name is Not from an amateur radio call signal, btw =)

[Lexy]

Maybe it has to do with the technique you use? This morning I tried a different technique & experienced intense vibrations like my skull was being electrocuted. I would have never thought that was awesome had I not known what it was. I am not someone who has vibrations so intense, so that was incredible for me. I wasn't expecting that at all.

[CFTraveler]

@ Lexy:
Interesting, I usually tailor my exit to the symptom I am already having- I find that to do an exit technique before symptoms is a waste of time and energy.

@kaos:

My name is Not from an amateur radio call signal, btw =)

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So do you work for Maxwell Smart's enemies?   

[tweed]

Interesting.. Vibrations if you go to the RTZ.

I've never had vibrations in my OBE either and I could also say I never made it to the RTZ. I'm always in some dreamscape even if I phase into my room. There's always something a little off, like finding my mother's furniture in my room. So perhaps I will try to induce them.

Honestly.. my research into all this stuff has been super messy haha. I only got into vibrations when I heard my friend talk about them, he said that they hurt and I was curious about how they felt. So I had a nap and when I woke up, I closed my eyes and then it happened.. I felt electricity go through my body. I didn't know what to do because I hadn't read far enough, so I just laid there in the black with all the wind around me till it was over. I would have never called/expected it vibrations though. Vibrations to me are waves.. but this was electricity 
I've experienced waves when I am meditating. They are like cold shivers going down the back of my body. I'd call those vibrations, but probably not the ones described as part of OBE...

[CFTraveler]

OBE vibrations can vary in intensity, from soft flowing waves like the ocean, a strobing back-and forth reminiscent of those old videos where they strobe different positions to make it look like someone is having some sort of seizure, all the way to buzzing, tingling, and, yes, electricity.

Vibrations to me are waves.. but this was electricity 

Electricity travels in waves (AC), the buzzier the higher the frequency.  That's why high tension wires buzz and hum.
Which goes back to something  someone said a long time ago about it possibly being a brain symptom.

[Pauli2]

Stephen LaBerge's Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming, page 110, states something about the vibrations:


"Watch for signs of strange sensations, vibrations, and distortions of your body image. Theses are the harbingers of REM sleep paralysis...

...physical body has a... ...twin, that is, your dream body...

Now imagine yourself embodied in your airy dream body and imagine what it would feel like to float or roll out of your earthbound twin...

Remember that you are in a dream body and that everything around you is a dream thing too."



Apparently LaBerge only believes in dreams and LDs, but not in OBE. Nevertheless, his book is very interesting, when it states that the vibrations are onset of REM sleep.

[TurtleSnake]

I wrote this in a post before but I shall repost here.

I talked to a friend about vibrations, he's a graduate working with our nations state research institute. Very open minded with a great understanding about waves and lovely things like quantum physics and the crazy things it does.

Anyway, as he explained, the upper parts of our atmosphere seem to contain 4Hz EM frequency wave, basically 4Hz electromagnetic frequencies cannot escape the earth at all. Interesting thing about the 4Hz wave is (as many of you will already know) is the same frequency our brains use when we reach a Delta wave state (Theta is 4-7, Delta is less than 4). Not only that but it's been registered in all animals and plant life. Another interesting point is that babies brains only emit these 4Hz or below Delta waves, as well as it has also been discovered in continuous attention tasks, such as meditation.

Now should these waves be the connective element between all of us (or perhaps even creating the super-consciousness itself of which we all gain ours from) then what may occur in the early stages of phasing into the astral stages is that as we are trying to connect to that frequency in our internal tuning systems, then you would feel a steady pulse at around 4 pulses per second. The sensation would increase in strength of the pulses until we are making an accurate enough connection to that particular frequency.

As for why it stops or isn't felt at all by some, well, the theory I'm kicking around is that it's like a radio. If you're looking for a station you need to keep tuning the frequency until you find it. At first it soft and distorted, the gets stronger and become much louder, before dropping and settling in to the station. Onc you know what frequency you look at, you can tune straight to it and skip that whole part. I think we go through something similar if we are slowly searching for the frequency that is responsible for connection with the astral. Once we have figured it out (or if we already know it.... somehow) then we phase directly, rather than having to find it each time.

Anyway, my friends been quite helpful in looking into this. I'll post a link once I've written this out properly, but to me it seems a good explanation for a lot of things, not just phasing. These include:

Why babies and young children learn so quickly
Why our eco-system seems to effectively self balance
Why two plants of different species root systems automatically grow away from one another

Anyway, a bit of a long post and I apologize but would really love some feedback and suggestions. Please note though this idea really doesn't preclude the ideas of spirituality regarding the astral plane or the Buddhist shared consciousness concept etc., it reinforces them quite strongly.

[bluremi]

TurtleSnake: Interesting theory. I wonder if you're confusing cause and effect here, though, i.e. when the brain is relaxed the neurons fire at slower speeds approaching 4-7Hz, rather than the brain perceives EM radiation in the upper atmosphere. It has been proven that electromagnetic radiation can affect the brain at very close range at at much higher magnitudes (EM helmet, basically), but there's no way the scattered standing waves miles above the earth would have any effect.

If that was true we'd be far more strongly influenced by all the other EM radiation caused by humans in the last 100 years, which appear across the entire spectrum.

Also, babies and young children learn quickly because they have much higher brain plasticity (growing neural connections) than an adult, where the connections are mostly formed already.
Our eco-system "self-balances" due to natural selection, and it isn't always a nice balancing act. There are often cycles of over-breeding followed by mass starvation in the wild (deer, rabbits, wolves, fish, kangaroos, various plants). Sometimes an invasive species arrives on a piece of driftwood and devastates an entire ecology.

I think vibrations are caused by your inner ear and proprioperception disconnecting from your body gradually: for a minute your brain is getting very confusing signals, until it's disconnected entirely and the vibrations stop. That's why sometimes if feels like you're spinning (sense of balance upset) and sometimes your hands or feet seem to be in strange places or at weird angles (proprioperception is wonky).

[T.L.]

I don't agree with the op suggestion it's just an expectation that creates it. I didn't get into projection like a lot of people, hearing about it and reading books about it. I was practicing meditation for a few weeks before I started making some break throughs with it. Eventually I started 'ending up at other places' after these feelings of buzzing/vibration in upper body and head. After of few of these experiences where I ended up in other locations... it was only then I started to search what this was and books about it. Which is when I first read the first book by Robert Monroe that not only listed all the pre-projection symptons I experienced but also experiences that were just like mine. It's more than just a byproduct of expectation (at least in my case).

[Synune]

I rarely experience vibrations anymore. It's just a very subtle almost unnoticeable tingling. For me it's the sound I hear which is a high pitched sort of shriek as if someone played a tuning fork in your ear way too close and then once I separate it goes away. I also tend to project from my head and less from my body if that makes sense. Perhaps I leave through my head...?

I generally return feeling really sort of dizzy. It's a bit uncomfortable like a night of drinking. I usually feel dazed and just generally like half in myself. ANyone else get that feeling accompanied by some hot tingling in the head?

[The Present Moment]

Look around google and you'll find reports of vibrations from people who are not into AP.

Here are a few examples I've collected:

Every morning i wake up im getting a deep vibration (feels like a motor running inside my body) and at first i thought there was a small earth tremor happening ! It makes the bed shake slightly and my partner can feel it if she holds my arms when its happening. i feel that its centered somewhere in my head. but dissapears after about 30 seconds of waking up !!!! Sometimes it wakes me up and it feels like im having some kind of siezure all over my body and head, even though i dont loose conciousness. On some occasions (like the last few days i cant get to sleep. just as im about to drop of i get a strange feeling in my body, my heart beat goes up and i feel rough !!! this can happen 20-30 times in a night. i can sometimes only manage to get sleep if i take a zopiclone sleeping pill. about 6 weeks ago i went 5 days and 5 nights with no sleep because something in my brain wouldnt let me drop off ! im getting real worried now. Thanks for your help in advance.Dead link

The length of these feelings used to be about 5-10 secs and are now much longer, sometimes over a minute. I also seem to have unusual dreams associated with this disorder which I never experienced before. I have difficulty recalling the details of the dreams when fully awake. The weird thing is that there is no external tremors, shaking, or vibrating like I'm feeling internally. The feeling is centered in my chest and upper body, nothing in my lower extremities. I continually check my pulse when awake enough and find no rapidness or irregularity with my heartbeat. A year ago I had a heart catheter and was told everything looks good. The only other symptoms I experience are sometimes my top forearm, thumb, and first two fingers go to sleep, depending on which side I sleep. Has anyone else ever experienced this and can offer some help? Doctors have yet to find a solution to the problem.

It cleared up for a few years and then during the mid 90s I had another bout of it. Only this time it was slightly different, more like a feeling that my bed was vibrating, like I was sleeping on top of a fridge. This time I really didn't realise it was me. I thought it was something in the environment - underground vibration from a factory about a mile from here. I called out the Environmental Health Department and they went investigating all the nearby factories, the electricity board and the sewage works.

I have MS with secondary narcolepsy, and I think it is to do with the narcolepsy. I did find it on one of the narcolepsy websites that some narcoleptics get a feeling of vibration inside them.Dead link

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Has anyone experienced this? I'm used to times when my heart races and usually tapering off the amitryptiline for a while settles it but this sense of internal vibration at night (or anytime I lie down or relax deeply) is new. It's been going on about a month now and it's weird and disturbing. I wake feeling like Sigourney Weaver in Alien!

I've searched the forum and found someone referencing this last year but I'm still very puzzled. Is this yet another fibro symptom or possible something menopausal as my hubby suggests. It's corresponding with almost daily nose-bleeds and some feverishness. I'm seeing my GP this week and will ask for BP check but any other suggestions very welcome.

I have chronic daily migraine as well as fibro but this vibrating doesn't seem to belong to the migraine or medication.
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I had something very similar a few years back. It happened mostly in the middle of the night; I would wake up with it.
It turned out to be an antidepressant I was taking at the time, Elavil, I think. My psychiatrist said it could be "cardio toxic". I stopped taking it, and it hasn't happened since. It scared the heck out of me.
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The other, new and more disturbing sensation is this feeling of my internal organs vibrating. The sensation is centred around the solar plexus rather than the heart and is not completely homogenous ie it's not all vibrating at the same speed or rhythym. It has begun to spread into the top of my thighs but generally is within the torso area. It carries on for a while once I'm awake and up but then seems to abate or maybe I'm just not as aware of it while I'm active.

I think my GP is going to think I've flipped when I describe this. I'm not anxious or stressed; pain levels have been average and life is pretty much as usual. Thanks for your input. I'll report back on what the GP says.
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As for the internal 'motors' he suggested I take out a patent. He didn't think it could be a fibro symptom but four fibromates on the forums have experienced similar so .....

I'll report back if I come to any tentative conclusions.
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I had the vibrating internal thing going on also for 6 weeks, my stomach and entire colon was quivering constantly, I thought my heart was either skipping beats or racing but when I checked my pulse it was normal. I felt like I had swallowed a tunng fork. Still get this on and off in the AM for awhile but goes away shortly after moving around.
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Yes, and it is usually, for me, worse when at rest, like at bedtime or very early in the AM, before I am fully awake, like my spine is 'oscillating'. I am pretty used to it now, but when I first got it several years ago, it FREAKED me out.Dead link

Edit: I tracked down the website where I found these, and it is still full of examples. I don't know why the URL has changed since I saved those posts.

[scaredsleeper]

Old thread I'm sure but I'm new here and just want to put in my 2 cents. LOL.

I get the vibrations head to toe. Sometimes they are super intense to the point of causing real physical pain even afterwards! Sometimes they are more mellow and mild like goosebumps all over.

I can certainly say that I have never had expectations of feeling vibrations. In fact like another post I read, I thought my first experience was an alien or demon attack! I had never even heard of OBE's before let alone vibrations.

One thing is that I can't tell the difference between vibrations. For instance, I was once at the In-N-Out Burger Drive-thru and I just got this sudden realization that there was a spirit in the parking lot. I was fully awake ordering dinner mind you when suddenly it felt as though the spirit had entered the car with me! I felt the same vibrations running head to toe thoughout my body and was certainly not having an OBE while in the drive thru. It scared me out of my mind. I think that some people, like myself, might just be more sensitive to feeling the vibrations....? 

[Xanth]

So yeah... lately I've been watching a lot on Tom Campbell and by extension, his partner in crime, Dennis Mennerich.  They have BOTH mentioned now that back in the 70's when they were doing their explorer work with Monroe that they found that the Vibrations were entirely Physiological in existing.  They found that they could measure them and even predict the exact onset of them.

I found that very interesting.

[spark]

Hello Xanth.  As for me, I had very substantial experiences with vibrational state and probably a hundred or so OBEs before I even heard of Robert Monroe or read anything.  I told a friend about it many years ago, and then he told me that I should read some books by Monroe.  That was in the early 80's. 

But, I do tend to agree that expectations perhaps play a part for many folks.  But, I think it is a point of focus.  If one looks for the vibrations, one will probably feel them. 

I tend to think that at the beginning folks experiences are much involving the vibrational state in a similar manner to sitting outside an strange doorway.  Initially, the doorway will perhaps be very interesting.  "What is this strange thing?"  But, once one learns to step thru the door, one likely does not dwell as much on the vibrational state.  But, i think one could.  However, I also think that we tend to have limited time in that state.  So, unless there is a real purpose to dealing with that state, I expect one will slip thru more quickly.

Anyway, as an FYI, I also tend to think that perhaps the vibrational state relates to sensationsof so called chi.  I now feel that much of the time, even in the waking state.  It is more intense when in a sleeping state, and a bit diffrent.  But, it is very much the same.  So, I think perhaps feelign vibrations is a bit similar to just noticing onesself too.  Just some thoughts from my side too.  I do not read too much so this is just based on my experience really.

Thanks,

[Stillwater]

I always supposed the vibrations had something to do with passing into a sleep paralysis state; we are not really meant to be awake for that, so maybe they are a sort of nerve-firing that happens just prior to that state?

[Psan]

Lately I tend to relate vibrations with the flow of Kundalini energy. It can also be an intense flow of Prana (Chi). The symptoms are similar, if you read about the sensations related to kundalini flow, you will notice that.

Once the Kundalini flow is consistent and strong, you are always in Astral even while awake. It becomes a matter of shifting the focus. You are aware of both worlds.

There are types of meditations to stimulate this energy and these amusingly sound a lot similar to the techniques for inducing vibrations.