Lucid dreaming or an actual OBE

[Tee1234]

 It seems to me that people are somehow confusing the two. The more I read the more I think that the majority of the people that think they have experienced an obe are actually just Lucid dreaming.

To me the only way to have an obe is to lay there get the vibrations and leave the body. Ive read things like people saying they had obes without vibrations or they did this phasing method but to me thats not an OBE. I believe the Vibrations are everything. If you dont experience that stage how can you even consider it to be an obe? Thats the most important part, thats when you exit.

Dont take it the wrong way, I dont wanna mock anyones techniques, but I wanna know who amongst us has actual had an obe the way im referring.  Like this- Lying on your back, going to sleep. Staying aware till the vibrations come.  They usually last like 30 sec to a min rumbling through your body and head and sometimes you feel like your spinning n such. When the vibrations end, you can simply get up just as if you would get up with your normal body but its not, its your astral body. You can turn around and see your physical body lying there.  Your actually in your bedroom watching yourself sleep. ..example- say if you had your favorite book on a night stand nxt to your bed and it was opened to page 57 you can read it when you have left your body, during your obe.

Also, you have complete control of how long you wanna stay out. Ive read people saying they didnt have their full awareness and it only last for seconds. Now the OBE im talking bout you have 100% awareness, and your senses are even better -way better. Im talking about you can smell a rock, n dirt. Even snow has a smell in the astral. Also you have complete control of how long you wanna travel/explore -unless, an alarm goes off or etc..

Now that to me is an actual OBE -no exceptions

***Who amongst us has experienced this.***  ...and/or what you are considering an obe?

Please no scientific BS, just simply let me know if youve experienced anything like this and if its to personal -just disregard.

[kulapops]

Can't say I have had this experience, but just wanted to say thankyou for the tips.

It makes sense that an experience should have elements that are verifiable by people who have had the same experience.

I guess imagining yourself above, looking down at you is not the same as actually doing it.

So thanks for the tips, very useful.  Look forward to hearing other thoughts.

K

[Bedeekin]

Hi Tee...

Yeah I can absolutely relate to this.

My experiences began doing 1st Phase OOBEs. 2nd Phase is what I call AP.

I'll expand more on this later... I'm eating a crab at the moment.

[Astral316]

Your definition of an OBE is far too detailed for an experience that involves varying degrees of so many elements.

[Xanth]

It seems to me that people are somehow confusing the two. The more I read the more I think that the majority of the people that think they have experienced an obe are actually just Lucid dreaming.

To me the only way to have an obe is to lay there get the vibrations and leave the body. Ive read things like people saying they had obes without vibrations or they did this phasing method but to me thats not an OBE. I believe the Vibrations are everything. If you dont experience that stage how can you even consider it to be an obe? Thats the most important part, thats when you exit.

Dont take it the wrong way, I dont wanna mock anyones techniques, but I wanna know who amongst us has actual had an obe the way im referring.  Like this- Lying on your back, going to sleep. Staying aware till the vibrations come.  They usually last like 30 sec to a min rumbling through your body and head and sometimes you feel like your spinning n such. When the vibrations end, you can simply get up just as if you would get up with your normal body but its not, its your astral body. You can turn around and see your physical body lying there.  Your actually in your bedroom watching yourself sleep. ..example- say if you had your favorite book on a night stand nxt to your bed and it was opened to page 57 you can read it when you have left your body, during your obe.

Also, you have complete control of how long you wanna stay out. Ive read people saying they didnt have their full awareness and it only last for seconds. Now the OBE im talking bout you have 100% awareness, and your senses are even better -way better. Im talking about you can smell a rock, n dirt. Even snow has a smell in the astral. Also you have complete control of how long you wanna travel/explore -unless, an alarm goes off or etc..

Now that to me is an actual OBE -no exceptions

***Who amongst us has experienced this.***  ...and/or what you are considering an obe?

Please no scientific BS, just simply let me know if youve experienced anything like this and if its to personal -just disregard.

I'll point out that your main problem in your post is this statement: "Now that to me is an actual OBE -no exceptions"
You're confining yourself by limiting answers to a subset of a specific type of experience.

What you're describing is only one form of projection... along with a certain type of clarity during an experience.   You're limiting your mind and, by extension, your potential as you're locking away any other possibility from yourself.  When you say to yourself "this is how it is, and this is the ONLY WAY it can be", you're actually making a command to your subconscious mind to lock away that possibility.

My own opinion is that any experience you have that doesn't entail you and this physical reality frame is an OBE/AP/Phasing/Whatever you wanna call it.
The following article is something to explain how I categorize the different "non-physical experiences" that a person can have:  http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/10/04/my-new-consciousness-designations/

[Tee1234]

I'll point out that your main problem in your post is this statement: "Now that to me is an actual OBE -no exceptions"
You're confining yourself by limiting answers to a subset of a specific type of experience.

What you're describing is only one form of projection... along with a certain type of clarity during an experience.   You're limiting your mind and, by extension, your potential as you're locking away any other possibility from yourself.  When you say to yourself "this is how it is, and this is the ONLY WAY it can be", you're actually making a command to your subconscious mind to lock away that possibility.

My own opinion is that any experience you have that doesn't entail you and this physical reality frame is an OBE/AP/Phasing/Whatever you wanna call it.
The following article is something to explain how I categorize the different "non-physical experiences" that a person can have:  http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/10/04/my-new-consciousness-designations/

Somewhat try to disregard the way I state things. I obviously dont have or I am not familiar with the language or terms that you use. Basically all these terms n such are made up by authors and how they/he sees things and obviously for the most part, people are relating to it like its some sort of Astral Bible. I have absolutely zero knowledge of any books and to be honest thats not really what im interested in. Nor do I care to be educated on these terms(sry, dont mean to sound like a dck). For the most part people are reading this stuff and then trying to project and have the same kind of outcome as what their reading. Almost as if its diluting their own experience.

All I know is what I experience 1st hand and what is 100% real. I wrote what happens to me for the past 2days and its real, so why cant the exact same thing happen to someone else. Bottomline is Im looking for someone to relate to by weeding out -per say.

Listen< theres really nothing to specific about it. Its actually pretty simple. All those details I gave, Im just trying to prove the point that when I exit my body im actually in my bedroom in the house I live.  - so far pretty easy

Then the farther I move away from my physical body, I go to the astral. There's like a 10/15ft radius I have, where if I start moving away from my physical body I crossover to the astral..
Let me break it down even easier-
Vibrations--I exit my body--im standing in my bedroom, where I go to bed every night, staring at my handsome self sleep. I take off through my wall and im in the (ASTRAL). Which isnt a specific place, its just not here, where we live everyday -day to day. I shouldnt even say its a place its more like places(multiple).
(my definition for astral)- ill try to explain the the best way I could so if you already have a definition for the word just try to relate to it the way im sayn it is.  -more like describing than a definition i guess, but here it goes..

..Ok so i leave my bedroom and im in the (astral). If Im standing on the street in front of my house and I turn around and look back at my house I can see similarities but its a bit different than how my house really is in reality. Sometimes itl be a different color(my house) or there will be windows where their shouldnt be, basically similar but a tad different. Actually in the astral my whole block is kinda the same but again its a bit different.

As I start flying around(im big on flying, almost never walk unless i go into a building etc..) and go even farther from my house, basically every thing is unfamiliar. Just like how the planet normally is. Theres different types of places- theirs beaches, deserts, mountains -You can look up in the sky and see stars, the moon, you get the picture. Except theres no limitations. If you look up in the sky and see another planet, you can fly there if you want, or just simply be there by just wanting to be. Really its just like another universe just not the one we live in every day. But not just another universe it can be multiple universes, theres really no limit. -So basically thats what i mean when I say astral.

I mean honestly I can go on for hours. From the moment I did that dice experiment I knew no matter what -it was real. And if im visiting this astral place, other people like me are to. Now ive talked to people there(its personal so im not gonna get into that) but ive never talked to someone like my neighbor or a friend down the street while I was there. Ya know, like somebody that I can actually talk to the nxt day and confirm it.

I would love to meet someone on here that does the same thing I do(go to bed-Vibrations-go to the astral) and i can go meet you in the astral. Then we can confirm that it happened. I see that as possible. I mean this is a place where people astral project and come here and tell about it.

Im nothing special. Im not psychic, I have no idea about chakras or blocked energy, I dont even meditate lol. Im just like you. And if I do this and its real n possible, somebody else does. People come to this forum everyday and say they had an obe last night. -Well guess what, so did I.

So if these people are having the type of outer body experience the way I am, where you can go anywhere you want, then lets do it. Ill meet ya there.
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So really im not "You're confining yourself by limiting answers to a subset of a specific type of experience." as u said. All im sayn is I projected and went to the astral. And if other people are on here that can do it to, well... let me know.

But before I end this-- this is why I started this thread/post. Some people say they've had this type of experience -and they go to the astral- but Im just tryn to weed out the ones that I dont think are having the same type of experience as me. Like if you have a time limit on your "obe" then I dont think were experiencing the same thing. -Or if you dont get the vibrations then again, its not the same thing.

Dont get me wrong, I love reading experiences from everybody though, so there's no boundries on who can respond to this post. Im just most interested in the people thats walked where ive walked, someone I can relate to wtfudge is goin on .

---GNight y'all

[Summerlander]

2nd Phase is what I call AP.

AP is what I call 2nd phase.

[Xanth]

Listen< theres really nothing to specific about it. Its actually pretty simple. All those details I gave, Im just trying to prove the point that when I exit my body im actually in my bedroom in the house I live.  - so far pretty easy

This seems to be your main hang up then.

Who exactly are you trying to prove it to?

But before I end this-- this is why I started this thread/post. Some people say they've had this type of experience -and they go to the astral- but Im just tryn to weed out the ones that I dont think are having the same type of experience as me. Like if you have a time limit on your "obe" then I dont think were experiencing the same thing. -Or if you dont get the vibrations then again, its not the same thing.

That's not really your job though.  Actually, it's nobody's job. 
It goes back to my question I asked above... who exactly are you trying to prove this to?

The only answer should be "you".  You're the ONLY PERSON you need to convince that this stuff is real... and honestly, it sounds like you've already done that.

So, my suggestion... just keep having your experiences... keep recording your results... and keep having fun. 

[Astral316]

Like if you have a time limit on your "obe" then I dont think were experiencing the same thing.

I could say I've had the same exact experience as you... up until the quoted words. I struggle to make my experiences last as long as I'd like them to. We could still relate to each other in my eyes, but the way you define everything down to the last detail I'd assume you wouldn't want to relate to me. So you're basically shutting out a whole lot of people by being picky about what constitutes an OBE. Just my 2 cents...

[Bedeekin]

Same here Astral316... I can't make OOBEs last as long as I want. I tried... for 5 years I tried prolonging it in my early 20s. I could prolong the VS... not the ensuing experience. I'm talking 1st Phase here by the way.

If I could make them last as long as I want I'm not sure I would want them to end. 

Based on my own experiences and many other's - I call Tee1234 out on this one.

[Greytraveller]

Greetings
Alright, I just posted a long response (for me anyway) and it mysteriously disappeared. Dam Anyway here is a VERY shorten abbreviated version of that lost post.
First. Vibrations are helpful yet not absolutely necessary for going OOB. In my informal OBE Survey Vibrations were mentioned in only about 15 to 25 % of all OBE reports.
Second Lucid dreams Vs OBEs. Many people Do mistake LDs for OBEs, especially inexperienced projectors. My theory has a "grey area' of consciousness where LDs and OBEs overlap. This allows for dual consciousness, vis experiencing both an OBE and a LD simultaneously. (BTW this is something that happened to me in a recently posted OBE, tilted "New Orleans Phase, which is to be found in this forum).
Third. Phasing. To me Phasing is more like remote viewing that OBEs. Yet I remained open minded. I will admit that phasing out of a dream (or LD) into an OBE is a valid method.  In fact I have managed to do a few times recently. I used the term transition into an OBE but 'phasing' into an OBE is equally valid.

Regards 
Grey

[Tee1234]

This seems to be your main hang up then.

Who exactly are you trying to prove it to?
That's not really your job though.  Actually, it's nobody's job. 
It goes back to my question I asked above... who exactly are you trying to prove this to?

The only answer should be "you".  You're the ONLY PERSON you need to convince that this stuff is real... and honestly, it sounds like you've already done that.

So, my suggestion... just keep having your experiences... keep recording your results... and keep having fun. 

Xanth, Your totally misunderstanding my intentions. Im not hear saying, hey look what I can do. You were analyzing everything I was stating so instead I was trying to give you a step by step process so you/among others didnt have any questions in between. Believe me I didnt want to type that much but I felt it was necessary to get my point across. Anyway, its cool...

Regardless if anybody out there can relate --message me

[Summerlander]

I can relate to most of what you said, my friend...but I'm not so sure about your dubious claim that you have complete control over how long you stay out. Also, with or without vibrations you can bring about an out of body experience in the sense that the awareness is focused on something else other than the physical body. I have separated without vibrations and when I do get them, I like to dulcefy them post-sonorous peak before I fully embrace the OOBE-state.

Another thing...astral body, dream body, meta-body, sexy body...same thing. When you AP you are lucidly entering dreamland...

If anyone can relate...PM me

PS. Tell me how you get control over the duration of your OOBEs. I'd like to know please - you'd make me the happiest OOBE explorer I have been in years!

[personalreality]

I have experienced what you describe.  I have only ever had the exit that you describe and i refer to it as a conscious exit most of the time because i'm aware of the transition from my physical to "non-physical" self.  However, my awareness was not always 100% (though there were times that it was significantly more vivid than waking reality), and I too could not control the duration of my experience to the degree that you describe.

that brings me to my point.  you are a natural, others are not.  it seems that for most people their psychological/physiological characteristics have a big impact on how well they are able to control their awareness.  for you it is easy to be completely "there", for me it is more difficult (because of my own unique set of mental conditions).

i am still of the opinion that all of these experiences are the same thing, but that doesn't really matter here.

[CFTraveler]

Interesting thread.  Summerlander, your new avatar nearly gave me a heart attack the first time I saw it.  Cool!

[Summerlander]

Thanks! I got one of my pictures and decided to make myself look like the Mad Hatter. Me and my kids watched Alice in Wonderland recently! They loved it!

[CFTraveler]

The eyes burn into me, in a very weird and intense way.  Good work!

[Summerlander]

Thanks!