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Quote from: lostsole on September 17, 2023, 23:50:07How do you differentiate that you are now ready to move an astral limb/open eyes, or whatever and can tell that you are at that phase, and not just moving a physical limb, or rolling your physical body, etc.? Even if I personally never exit that way, I'm still curious how you know?
Quote from: LightBeam on September 18, 2023, 00:03:36When I know that my physical body is awake and I am just in deep meditation, the differentiation is difficult, at least for me. I do try in occasions to project from that deep state of meditation even when I feel mild buzzing, but I never succeed. My senses are still perceiving the physicals on some level and that prevents me from fully dethatching.
Quote from: lostsole on September 18, 2023, 00:13:23Yep, that's me!So when you succeed, what you describe then sounds like your body is in a state of sleep paralysis,
Quote from: LightBeam on September 18, 2023, 00:18:19I simply start imagining that my bed is swaying from side to side.
Quote from: EscapeVelocity on September 18, 2023, 00:30:14You may be relaxed enough to experience vibrations, but that is no guarantee.
Quote from: EscapeVelocity on September 18, 2023, 01:24:28The key is- as you work to understand your personal method for achieving an exit, these are the qualities to notice and interpret. If you get kinesthetic sensations, go with it; if you are getting visuals, then go with that. In your case, lostsole, you are getting visual snippets, which points toward Dream/Astral experiences. So, to me you sound like a guy piloting a plane down the runway about to take to the sky, and wondering why it doesn't drive like a car...
Quote from: lostsole on September 18, 2023, 10:40:42Xanth, That's great advice and I will add the deepening more so concept to my routine. I mean I'm sort of doing what you said by focusing on the black void in front of my eyes and ignoring my body/thoughts, but perhaps not as deep as I should.
Quote from: Lumaza on September 18, 2023, 12:36:33The best deepening technique I have found to use during the beginning stages of creating a NP focus is initiating a "mental motion" forward. Move into that darkness before your closed eyes.
Quote from: EscapeVelocity on September 18, 2023, 16:09:26If you find yourself there, then great! Just relax and gently observe; don't push or force anything. Just Notice the depth and velvety texture of the Void. The lights are apparently not stars, but they are significant. Many times, as you Notice, the depth and texture of the darkness may begin to shift and swirl slightly. Your attention may be drawn to one light or group that may begin shining more brightly. Continue your detached, casual observation and you may feel a sense of movement towards that light or area of darkness. Allow this to happen at its own speed and you may experience a direct shift into another NP environment. Don't try or expect to go somewhere of your choice; something beyond you will choose your environment and there will be a significant lesson to be learned there; so go with the flow. The Void is a great way to travel and learn! Volgerle has an excellent thread labeled The Void, above in this forum.