The Astral Pulse

I generally try to remain open minded and respect that other peoples opinions are just that - opinions, but there have been a few bits of text in this post which really just don't seem right, and I apologise in advance to any that might take offence for the following.

Clarissa -
You go girl!! I so agree with you.
If you don't like the idea of your partner seeking sexual pleasures elswhere, no matter what form it takes, respect your partner and don't do it yourself!


Fallnangel77 -
Please be careful of using small portions of the Bible as justification for your actions. What you end up doing is taking it out of context with the rest of the section. Some of the worst atrocities through history have been justified by small verses from the Bible. "in heaven there is no marriage"... the context here is that when we reach heaven, we have died. We have relinquished our physical form and all earthly ties, and out astral bodies move on into the next stage on our evolution. This verse has nothing to do with permitting astral sex!

Jeff -
Good luck running you're website, I'm sure it's not an easy job, but is this really the right forum to be advertising it in??

No matter if you're in physical form or astral, as long as you are still connected to your body it is still you, your conciousness, your feelings, your vows that you made to your partner. If neither you or your partner mind the other engaging in extramarital sex, go for it - at least no-ones going to cop a paternity suite. But if you think for one minute that your partner would be at all upset by it don't do it! This is not something subject to peoples opinions. Not when somebody you love could end up very badly hurt emotionally by your actions.



James S
(Fate amenable to change)

James S,
I agree with you that verses have been used out of context a lot and can be damaging to their original intent. Now I have not studied the Christian Bible in many years, so if I am wrong forgive me, but this seems very clear and straight forward. But then again it may not be. The intent could well have been that this applies after death. But then again astral projection does not seem to be common knowledge or practice to the average person during this time. In all honesty I do not want to use Jesus or the Christian Bible to back up my beliefs. I was merely using the verse to show that marriage on the physical plane does not continue into the next. This is not saying that love does not continue on, because I think that if we continue on then our love for others certainly will too. Likewise if your loved one does not feel that astral sex with another is right, then if you do love her/him you would not do it. But what if your loved one does not think that astral project and such is real? Then in their eyes is it cheating? If it is not to them then should you not do it?

I think what we should look at when saying if this is right or wrong would be to see the intent. Is it done out of lust or love? One can lead to problems while the other can be constructive.

Hi all,
IMO Just a little pointer: The question is not weather astral sex is allowed. the question is if it is ethically right (for married people, of course)

David

Actually I think the original question was just if anyone had any experience with astral sex and had nothing to do with right, wrong, being allowed, or any kind of ethics or morality. So let me concede so we do not let this issue of right or wrong take this topic somewhere nasty. Believe what you wish to believe.

As for experience I have not had astral sex when I have projected. I have had a few rather conscious dreams in which what I would call astral sex took place. Astral sex is much different than physical sex in that it is much more meaningful. Real might be a good word to use though I do not think one would understand that has not experienced it.  It also feels more like energy sharing that physical sex. After all in the astral we do not have physical bodies so how would you have physical sex?


"Let me ask you something. Would you mind if your wife had sexual fun with another man, even though it takes place in the third dimension?"

If I were married, I would not want my wife having sex with another man on the physical plane. As for on the astral, I have sat here and tried to come up with an honest answer. The answer seems to keep being that it would not bother me, depending on the situation. Now maybe if I were married I would feel differently I am not sure, but because of my current emotional state my answer seems to be that it would not bother me as long as it did not effect our relationship. Actually what is throwing my sense of reasoning off right now is the idea of having a mate that would astral project. The idea has not really occured to me, probably because I rarely meet anyone in real life that is knowledgable about such ideas. Maybe after it has sunk in I can better answer the question, though with this thought I cannot seem to dwell on the question but keep thinking of the possibilities of astral traveling with someone.

Hi again,

Fallnangel77, I was worried that I might have ticked you off. thanks for being cool and understanding. After looking more into the words of Jesus you quoted, I think I might be out of context here as well. I believe Jesus was being pestered by pharisees on points of law. His comment was basically to shut them up by pointing out that in heaven, our earlthly laws and regulations don't mean anything. So legally (I use that term losely), your point of view is probably correct.

Astralmaster is right, this is not about wether or not astral sex is permissible, but if its ethical. That's entirely up to the individual. I only got upset at the thought of people doing the wrong thing by their partners, but if they are cool with it, well....

One interesting point of view though came from my wife on this topic - If you could leave your body, do whatever you wanted (almost), and go wherever you wanted, who would want to waste their time going around having sex?
We're all connected to the worlds leading resource in virtual sex.

When I do finally get out there in my astral body, there are places from my dreams, possibly from a long distant past that I often get brief visions of, of increadible beauty that I must see. It has been noted by RB and other authors on the subjet - astral sex will really hold you back.

James S
(Fate amenable to change)

I think you are right, or your wife, in that when projecting astral sex is most likely pretty far from your mind. I have been looking at just the issue of astral sex and not the bigger picture. Standing back looking at it things look a little differently. I do not know about others but every time I have been out of body, sex does not enter my mind, hence why I have not had it except in a lucid dream state. A point I start to hit on in my other post is the intent of your astral sex. From the other posts it sounds like the concern is of the projector going to the astral most of the time for a sexual experience. Now you can have your own opinion but it would really not be good for someone to do this. Such a thing would go beyond marital issues of right and wrong and more into personality and addiction issues, I would think. It would be no different than someone going out every night just to "get laid". But the bigger problem is that someone with these emotions and intent would not be moving to higher astral realms but to the lower ones where others of such addictions go. This would create a blinding cycle that would keep one from advancing. Frank has posted about witnessing such cycles in his travels, where people get caught up in one thing and continue "living" through it again and again because they will not look past it and see the truth. So one that is like this does present a call for concern.

On the brighter side, those that do not get caught up in the act of sex but experience the higher plane act can find this a very rewarding experience. Try to understand that astral sex is not like physical sex. If you are in form in the astral it can appear as such, but feel different. The astral is less dense, more energy like, and more emotional. Sex on the astral plane will be as such too. It will be more like sharing energy, more emotional, and less "physical" (not sure of a good word to use here). So astral sex with your spouse can be a very constructive, very bonding experience. Astral sex with someone you care a great deal about will be very rewarding. If you just walked up to someone and have sex with him or her, though the experience might be pretty darn good, it could never be as good as with someone you share a deep emotional bond. This is pretty much truth on any plane. So regardless of right, wrong, or ethics, why do it with just anyone when it can be so constructive and fulfilling with someone you love?

The humans who are currently living in the astral dimension can have one astral lover or a person can have fifty or more astral lovers, so as far as I can tell from what my astral lovers have told me there is no right or wrong in the astral as far as sex is concerned. They say each lover is equally adored.
You will only get an astral lover if you are opened to this concept.

Dear Members,

When I have astral sex I am not astral projected.  One does not have to leave his body to have astral sex.  It is a hard thing for me to explain, well, the 3rd dimension itself is a difficult thing to explain, at least for me it is, so I won't even try.

Thanks to this thread, I have realized that having astral sex with a married man is wrong.  Even if the man's wife does not believe in astral or anything spiritual, it is wrong for ME to have astral sex with the husband.

My problem has not been solved yet, but is well on its way to being solved, hopefully to a good ending.

FallnAngel says it all when he says that astral sex is NOT the same as physical sex.  The best I can describe the difference is that yes physical sex is an exchange of energy, but on a very very tiny scale compared to astral sex.  My analogy would be to take a scale and put one banana on one scale and then put 20 gallons of milk on the other scale.  See how the milk blows the banana out of the water as far as magnitude is concerned?  THAT, is how it is with astral sex.  The energy exchange during astral sex is magnified 1,000 times, and it TAKES a lot of energy to have astral sex too.   The experience can be draining, if I have too much of it.  For me that could be 2-3 times per day, with him being the initiator.

FallnAngel also says it all when he says astral sex can be very rewarding when exchanged between two people who love each other.  Astral sex doesn't have to be a nasty thing at all.  I've only had astral sex with one person, and it has been a very rewarding experience.

Clarissa

I do not think that you do have to project to have "astral sex", though I do not think i see it as astral sex while you are still in the physical body. Though I do not know exactly what you are talking about as you have not been very detailed about it, I think I understand and have experienced something that is atleast similar, hard to say exactly. We have several bodies that all exist. We are just not aware of them, or most of them. If you become aware of your other bodies as well as your partner then this can enhance the sexual experience, even if you do not go to the astral realm and leave your physical body behind. This is kind of hard trying to explain it like this, but is this what you mean Clarissa?

Something that I wonder about is your lack of energy after the experience. Do you feel physically drained or like your energy has been drained, if that makes sense? I wonder if your lover is actually using you to drain your energy. Or maybe you are just expelling this energy and not mean to. You should try to store your energy as it will make you feel less tired as well as have other benifits.

Could you please try to explain what you are experiencing a little better? If you do not want to post the details publicly then PM me as I find this interesting and want to know more.

I think others originally brought up some of those points, i just went into a little more detail about them. Just want to give credit where credit is due.

FallnAngel,

Astral sex for me is shared in a telepathic sense.   (I've had the gift of telepathy since my early twenties)  Perhaps it is true that I don't go to the astral realm to have astral sex, but I do know there is some kind of 3rd dimension happening here because the connection with my loved one is very intense once its started and it is NOT physical sex, as he is not present when we have this sex.  All he has to do is think sexual thoughts about me and I will get his sexual thoughts and our lovemaking will begin.  Now perhaps this sounds like a sort of simple thing, but I've explained it to you in simple terms.  I am not an expert on telepathy or astral sex and I don't care to research it in depth.  All I can tell you is that what I experience is in some kind of 3rd dimension and it is not physical sex.   If you want to work with me to figure out more of what I'm experiencing, I have no objections.  I'll PM you if need be.

My loved one is not using me for my energy, but perhaps he sucks up more from me than I do him.  Sometimes I feel like my energy bucket runs out of energy, and I have to pause for a few moments until the bucket gets replenished.  Having astral sex while I'm hungry doesn't help either.  There are other things in life that have drained my energy and I'm sure this uses up precious resources as well.

Clarissa

Clarissa,
do you have to be in trance or a meditative state to experiance this?



David

AstralMaster,

I have to be very still and have all my attention on him in order to pick up and feel his affections.

I don't like using the term "trance", but I looked it up in the dictionary and found definition number 3 fit well enough:
(taken from The American Heritage Student Dictionary, definition #3)

Definition 3 -  A condition in which little or no attention is paid to one's suroundings, as in daydreaming or deep thought.

Definition #3 is especially true for me because if I have attention on something other than my loved one, the connection will be broken, even if temporarily.

Clarissa

when i say trance, i mean mind awake body asleep, focus 10, or whatever

:-)

they all seam to say the same thing..


David

David,

No, I do not go into the type of trance you're thinking and my body is fully awake in order that it could feel all the sensations.

I do not know what a focus 10 is and I highly doubt I am in that as well.

Clarissa

Focus 10 is the same as mind awake body asleep. it is from the Gateway hemi-sync cd's.

I've never heard anything like that: making a connection with someone else without being in a full trance. sounds very interesting; is that something that can be learned?




David

Hmmm sounds interesting. I have not heard of anything like this either. So let me get this straight. Basicly, you will sense this lover come to you astrally, or mentally, you then become ... how should we put it ... still (?) and open up to his sexual thoughts. At this point you have "astral sex". I am not sure how much I could help you figure this out, but I will think on this. It is very interesting.

Let me ask you a question, Clarissa. You put this topic under Psychic Self Defense, why is that? Do you feel these occurances are unwanted on your part? Or are you afraid of what this person may do if you wish to break it off?

Also, do you know this person on the physical plane? Do you have a lot of physical contact with him?

You keep talking about this 3rd dimension, what are you refering to? When I hear 3rd dimension I think of the physical world. You seem to be seeing it as something different.

FallnAngel says

Hmmm sounds interesting. I have not heard of anything like this either. So let me get this straight. Basicly, you will sense this lover come to you astrally, or mentally, you then become ... how should we put it ... still (?) and open up to his sexual thoughts. At this point you have "astral sex". I am not sure how much I could help you figure this out, but I will think on this. It is very interesting.

Let me ask you a question, Clarissa. You put this topic under Psychic Self Defense, why is that? Do you feel these occurances are unwanted on your part? Or are you afraid of what this person may do if you wish to break it off?

Also, do you know this person on the physical plane? Do you have a lot of physical contact with him?

You keep talking about this 3rd dimension, what are you refering to? When I hear 3rd dimension I think of the physical world. You seem to be seeing it as something different.
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Yes you have it right that I sense his thoughts for me, sit or lie fairly still, then enjoy the rest!  Call it telepathic sex if you like.  Don't ask me the mechanics of it, don't ask me how it works, I do not know!  All I know is that it works and feels fantastic.

My situation is all coming to a head now, and most of it should be resolved one way or the other by the end of this weekend, but yes, at one point his attentions were unwanted and that's why I posted under this topic.

Yes I do know this person on the physical plane, but we do not have a lot of physical contact, is the reason we have telepathic sex.  By the end of this weekend we should know though whether we can be together or not.  I'll be glad for that.

When I think of the third dimension I think of something OTHER than the physical universe.  To me it is another dimension out there different from this planet called Earth.

I'm having a hard time right now with myself because I told this forum that it was wrong for me to have sex with a married man, yet I continue to do so.  My justification is that I love him and its sooooooo easy to "hop in bed" with him at a moments whim.  I don't have to drive over to see him, or make plans or get a babysitter.  He's just a hop skip and a jump away.  I'm a bad girl, and I can't help myself to say no to the sweet delicious pie of an astral climax.  Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!  Such ectasy! - ( especially with a loved one.)
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AstralMaster says

I've never heard anything like that: making a connection with someone else without being in a full trance. sounds very interesting; is that something that can be learned?
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Hi AstralMaster.  I am not a guru on telepathic communication, but I am quite sure you could learn of this by doing some research.   You could type in "telepathic communication" in MORE THAN ONE search engine, and get results to read.  Please let me know how your search comes along, as I'm a researcher and am willing to assist you should you run into any trouble.

Clarissa

After much thought I think I will have to agree that, in a situation like the one Clarissa is involved such "astral sex" is not right. There is little difference in two people on the physical having astral or physical sex, as far as right and wrong go. I doubt that his wife would approve of him thinking about another woman much less taking it to this extent. Then again, who knows. But I am wondering what the situation is really like. (Not expecting an answer) I mean if this man is cheating on his current wife, what kind of morals does he have? If you two can be together, what are you expecting from him? Will you expect him to be with only you? Do you think that you are his one and only other right now? I find it funny how people tend to delude themself with the idea that it is ok to cheat if they are no longer in love with their partner or that they are just not happy. The truth of the matter is, it has little to do with any laws but instead about your morality and personality. To cheat on a spouse hurts them. Reguardless if you are "in love" with them, I would think that you should atleast have enough respect to atleast be honest and trustworthy with them.

My original view on astral sex was somewhat different than this. I was thinking about one person being on the physical traveling the astral then meeting a higher astral entity and wishing to bond with them. In this sense I am not sure. But for two physical people that are commited to others  to astral travel and have sex, especially if they have the intent of getting together on the physical, then I would say that this is also cheating.

Thinking about it, I will agree with everyone else. Married couples should not have astral sex if the other person feels it is wrong. This is out of respect, love, and honesty for your partner, and not so much about laws. For even if the law of marriage does not extend past the physical, does that make it right to hurt your spouse? I say no.

I am not passing any judgement on you, Clarissa. I do not do that. I am curious, if you two cannot be together will you both continue your astral or telepathic sex? Do you feel you can have this with someone else?

Clarissa-

There's one thing you haven't mentioned, or maybe I missed it: does he experience this in the same way you do?  For example, when you do talk to him on the phone or whatever does he say "Yeah, that was great last night- I liked it when...."  I am not trying be funny or crude, I just want to understand this.  I feel I speak for nearly everyone when I say that I have never heard of this.  Astral sex yes, in the sense that one is out of body and in a deep trance state.  But it seems you simply lie down and he does too and then you meet on some mental level to make love.  

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fides quaerens intellectum

As you went deeper into your descriptions, it brought up a similar experience i've had.  I never tried to make it sexual, but maybe if I had I'd experience the same thing.  I found a guy online that seemed very much like me in every way, and I started dreaming about him, and connected very strongly through it.  It felt like he was my soulmate, and I'd skipped a lifetime of the getting-to-know-you connecting it usually takes people to fall deeply in love.  I had an extremly strong telepathic connection and could feel (good)burning sensations if I pictured our energies meshing.  Does this sound familiar?
Like the last post asked, does the guy acknowledge the sexual meetings?  It's possible youre having a relationship with his higher self instead of the actual person.  
As to the moral issue:
People fantasize all the time.  It's known, it's expected, and its ok.  But rarely do people stop to think a fantasy could be real.  So, if the spouse is skeptical and sure it isnt possible, they'll just consider it a healthy fantasy and be fine with it.  If they know its real, that could be different.  
From your first posts and other people's, I thought the issue was astral sex with random strangers.  Personally I dont see anything wrong with that, even when married.  You dont have control over your mind as well in the astral.. think=do.  Here, everyone has those thoughts, and its fine as long as they dont act it out physically.  
But, if its the same partner again and again, And they're alive physically?  Sounds like its in the same category as phonesex/internet sex with someone you know.  Some couples dont mind the other acting out fantasies online, some do.  Depends on the rules of the relationship and trust.
I'm guessing this guy's wife has no clue.  That alone should push it over the edge into cheating.  Especially since it sounds like he's planning on leaving her for you...
Consider the possiblity of getting together with him, then him developing a fantasy of some new woman he routinely dreams about.  Then maybe leaves you for her.  If you're not soulmates or something, this is very likely.


-Person

telepathy - Communication from one mind to another through means other than the senses.  (taken from The American Heritage Student  Dictionary)

FallnAngel says

"I doubt that his wife would approve of him thinking about another woman much less taking it to this extent."

You are right Astral, his wife does NOT approve of him thinking about another woman.  She told me last night during an unexpected 2 hour conversation (a very nice one) with her that she has seen him "thinking" about me.  I don't know if she believes in astral sex or telepathic sex (or even knows what it is) but she just knows her husband "thinks" about me and doesn't like it.

This weekend I will find out whether they are getting a divorce or not.   If they are getting a divorce, then we will continue our telepathic sex until we can be together and get married. If they don't get a divorce, then I will have to cut the telepathic sex out.  This will probably be a gradual thing though, knowing all the complexities involved.

I am not above myself to admit that yes, I CAN have another relationship like this one with someone else, should he and his wife not get a divorce.  Since I've had the creme of the crop as far as sex and soulmates go, I'd prefer another soulmate and another man who could have telepathic sex.  I prefer someone who can match my abilities.  And I'll come straight out and say that if he doesn't get a divorce I'll be hunting for a new man right away as the pain will be unbearable.  (oh lordie how did I ever volunteer myself to be the guinea pig of this thread!!)

FallnAngel you're wondering what the situation is really like.  I have bonded with this man as deep as my soul will go and know in my heart he is my soulmate.  Without going into extreme details of our relationship, just know I am the only one for him and I have never had any thoughts or fear of him "finding" another woman.  Ever.  In my opinion, soulmates are not cast out easily.  A lot can be said of soulmates, and outcomes are another entirely different subject which I won't go into here because this thread is not the topic of soulmates but from other stories I've heard being involved with a soulmate can change a person considerably.

You are right FallnAngel and I agree, he should have gotten a divorce long ago if he knew he wasn't in love with his wife anymore.  This would have made everyone's lives a lot different, but the fact of the matter is that he didn't choose that route, and I have decided to accept it.  We discussed this matter and I told him myself that he should have divorced long ago.  All was said and done.
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PeacefulWarrior

Yes he experiences telepathic sex much like I do.  He recently told me something like, "if it feels this good in person then it will be fantastic."  I think he underestimated what he was trying to say.  I will tell you that our relationship has gone so deep now that sometimes when we get on the telephone we both get so excited that we practically climax within seconds.  Now to me that is deep.  And yes, there have been many emails and conversations wherein he has stated his particular intensity for one of our lovemakings.

Oh and PeacefulWarrior?  I took a bit of offense at the way you described my lovemaking with my beloved one.  "But it seems you simply lie down and he does too and then you meet on some mental level to make love."  Let's see if you can perform this same thing, telepathic sex, and tell me it is on "some" mental level.  Telepathic sex is not a simple action by any means, and the average human cannot fathom what the heck it is, let alone perform it.  I cannot be with this man physically at this time, so I am extremely grateful that we can share our love in another way. (telepathically)  Please be careful how you speak of other's lovemaking, whether it seems simple or dumb or whatever, to you.
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Person

Well now, we finally have a woman who is not afraid to come out and speak!!!!!!!!!!!  Horray!

Yes Person the burning sensations are familiar to me, along with other sensations.  I didn't want to start spilling details, but as long as you have put them forth first, I'll admit what I can.  If you were feeling those burning sensations, then he was probably having sex with you in his mind.  I don't doubt that at all.  The only way you will get these burning sensations is if you create them, or he creates them.  That's my opinion, of course.

I'll have to agree that fantasy is one thing, and acting sex out with another person whether online or astrally or telepathically is another thing entirely.  And becomes a moral issue if one is married.

Clarissa

Clarissa, has he ever had this kind of experience with anyone else? You said that he came to you, so I guess that he knew what he was doing. How did he learn about this, or was he just experimenting and got lucky? (no pun intended)

Good Morning FallnAngel,

I do not know if he has experienced this with anyone else.  My estimated guess would be no, and I'll tell you why.  One of the very first nights we had telepathic sex he mentioned something like he didn't know he could do this.  I know he can astral project, that I do know, so yes he does come to me at will.

I am not entirely sure but I think he learned how to astral project by researching it.  (He's a researcher as well, and spends many many hours on the net.)   As far as his knowing how to have telepathic sex, I think that was more due to my part, not his.  I very strongly believe because of our bonding we were able to reach higher levels of communication than the norm.  It was ME who first told him I could feel his climax, and I think he was shocked to learn of this, that I could feel him.  I was the one who had the gift of telepathy, while he had the gift of astral projecting.  I never learned anywhere how to give and receive telepathic communication.  I was born with the gift and realized I had it when I was in my early twenties.

Clarissa

WOW!

I never come over to this forum because of the whole 'negative' spin on AP.  this thread is amazing.

hi Clarissa, you mentioned being glad that another woman had chimed in, so I thought I would chime in, too.

I've had two different sorts of experiences that relate here.

One was a "Wham Bam Thank you Ma'am" sexual thing a few months ago.  This related to a living person - we had occasional personal contact and I had felt for months or years that I was trying to keep him psychically/mentally/telepathically (whatever) at a distance. I'm married, so is he, I really didn't want to go down that road, but the effort of keeping a mental distance was draining. I finally decided to let my guard down one night, and BOOM.  You know the song "I want a man with slow hands"? Well, that was sort of what I expected, but I guess the years of repression made things manifest a little differently. Heh. It was intense though, full body blast, like I was thrown against a wall.  And very satisfying --- it reminded me of Monroe's explanation in book 1 for male/female being like positive/negative charges that can't help themselves but collide.

Anyway, I doubt hubby would make much of it, skeptic that he is, but I still don't want to dally there. It would consume me. I don't want to hurt him, even if he thought it was all in my mind, the fact that it was in my mind would hurt him. I make a point to not have personal contact with this person any more. After a few months of disciplined abstinence, the yearnings are starting to get out of my system, and I find I am able to shift any remaining spontaneous thoughts/desires into a harmless fantasy about someone (anyone) I don't know.  Which feels much less problematic.

The second sort of experience happens now and then on its own - not during a projection but during the trancework. Sometimes I try to be open to guides etc. Usually these are not living people. Sometimes they are living people who I have not met but trust, and feel can teach me something.

This doesn't really feel like sex, but it feels incredibly intimate. Like they are getting into my heart chakra and permeating through the rest of my body. I have to consciously let go of control  if I want the experience to deepen. It takes a real effort. Very satisfying, no physical climax, but very intimate. Far more intimate than sex, more like inhabiting the same space precisely. But like I said, no climax. Sort of dissipates slowly and leaves me warm.

Anyway, brave soul that you are for posting, now I have another forum to check every time I visit! This thread is hot!

Patty

Dear Patty,

I completely understand what you mean about the negative spin on AP.  I just unsubed from a group because of the negativity and also I wasn't learning anything.  I really don't mind SOME negativity, but when a group is made up of it, i'm out.

You say you kept this man at bay for months or years.  For me, if my beloved one remains in his marriage, I will do everything in my power to remove his attentions on me, for not only will it be wrong to have telepathic sex with a married man, but I will want to get over him as quickly as possible, knowing the pain I am in for.  And you're right about the mental draining trying to keep someone at bay.  It's not as simple as just letting the answering machine pick up for you.  There is physical contact involved, which makes it extremely difficult.  How I wish it was that simple, just to be able to "turn it off," but the temptation is great.  Sometimes I wish I could just wake up and hope this is all a dream, but alas, life is not always easy, eh?  

It's good that you're keeping astral/telepathic sex out of your marriage, for it CAN become addicting in a way.  It feels so different than physical sex that one can only want to experience the wonderful pleasures telepathic sex can bring.

I am sure your husband would not like your having astral/telepathic sex with another person/entity if he knew what it was and believed in it.  You are wise to give it up, and I admire the courage you have practiced in ridding yourself of this, for I know all too well how much work it takes and how much resistance it takes.

You say -  "After a few months of disciplined abstinence, the yearnings are starting to get out of my system, and I find I am able to shift any remaining spontaneous thoughts/desires into a harmless fantasy about someone (anyone) I don't know."

A few MONTHS of abstinence????  Oh geez!  That is too long for me to resist him.  If I end up having to cut the sex out I hope I could end it sooner, much sooner than a few months.

I'm not sure if I have had experience with your second experience listed here.  So far I only desire telepathic sex with those that I love.  It really seems rather cold to have telepathic sex with someone I don't know, but then again, I've only had telepathic sex with one person in my whole life so I can't speak from experience.

Clarissa

Hi Clarissa,

I should clarify - the second type of experience - when I say I was trying to be open to guides - it's not in the context of sex. My intent is more along the lines of my energy system being blocked or something, and sometimes I ask for help from a guide in clearing it. The results can end up feeling very internal and intimate. Sort of like a very deep full body massage from the inside out --- but I wondered if that was similar in sensation to what you had, or not. It sounds like you are experiencing something different.  Maybe more similar to the first, but even then the specifics seem different.

You know - the other situation I mentioned - there wasn't really any phone contact. The occasional personal contact was face - to - face and we have spoken on the phone only a few times. If he or I were in the habit of calling one another ---- that would really make things hard. And obviously we didn't have the history that you have. What I am trying to say is that I don't think I was all that strong, because my situation wasn't as involved as your own.  I wonder if he was as surprised as I was by the event I related. I never asked and don't intend to - but things seemed to ease off considerably after that.  So maybe we were both a little stunned and realized we were playing with something that was best left alone.

Still, you're right when you talk about addiction. Some people really are addictive. I tend to get hooked, and that's probably why it has taken a while to get back to some level of rationality about it. You might consider getting an unlisted phone number if you need to cut the contact. You might have a different situation though; maybe I tend to get addicted more easily. It's sure to be a personal thing.

Good luck with your situation - I will be thinking of you over the weekend and hoping for the best possible outcome for all parties.

(((hug)))

Patty

Clarissa,
You are wise to not wish to have sex with someone you have no emotions for. Astral sex, or whatever we are calling it now and this includes all non-physical sex, transmits much more than just physical desires. Emotions, atleast from what I have experienced, are also very present. So to me it would not be a very pleasant experience having astral sex with someone that was just "using you" with no care whatsoever about you and vise versa. Then again if you enjoy that sort of thing ...

Clarissa,

I am sorry you took what I wrote to be a bit "offensive", I didn't mean to come off that way at all.  I was speaking theoretically in order to try to understand what you are talking about.  Like I tried to explain, most of us here do not understand how your meetings take place.  If it is not in the "astral" and not phsyically, then it has to be in some other "dimension"- When I said "mental" level, I didn't mean to take anything away from what you to have, whether it be adulterous and wrong or not, but obvsiously it's not in the spiritual realm/Out of Body, so it must be on some mental level- there is nothing wrong with that, so please don't take offense.

fides quaerens intellectum

This type of love has nothing to do with the mental dimension.
It is just a matter of her astral lover visiting her while she is in her physical body.
This was a common way for two lovers to meet before the Christian church came to power.  
Actually it is how the Pagan Gods and Goddess'  had human lovers, but those Gods and Goddess could come through from their dimension in a much stronger fashion, so it was easier for the human lover to interact with them.


Qball

Hello Patty,

Thanks for that hug.  I needed that.  I have all my "astral" battlefield ready to go should I need it.  Hope I won't need it though.

I can't say I've experienced the same thing as you - having my energy system being blocked or feeling very internal and intimate or a very deep full body massage from the inside out.  No, mine is quite different.

When I spoke about addiction, I meant that telepathic sex can be addicting, not the person involved.  Is that what you were talking about?

It sounds as if your situation was a lot easier to break away from than mine.  Yeah, being more emotionally involved tends to complicate things as far as breaking off any telepathic sex with a loved one.  Since you were both married it was probably the right thing.

Thanks for thinking of me this weekend.  Closure will be a great thing, no matter which way it goes.

A (((hug))) back to you...

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FallnAngel

We are calling it telepathic sex now because I do not astral project before making love to my loved one.

You're right, there is a certain degree of emotion emitted during telepathic lovemaking.  I never really thought of it and maybe took it for granted that emotions WERE being emitted but now that I think of it I AM emitting emotions at the time of telepathic lovemaking.  Hmmm, interesting but if you think about it emotions should be emitted because one is afterall, making love to his/her loved one.

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PeacefulWarrior

Thanks for clearing up the offense.

I'll try explaining this in another way.  My telepathic lovemaking is done through spiritual communication.  Obviously I believe I am a spirit, not a body, therefore I can communicate via my spiritual self.  And I can make-love with another spirit (who inhabits a body) via our bodies.  In other words it's like two spirits bonding through lovemaking, which is done via telepathy.  Did I put this in more understandable terms this time?  Well hopefully I did.

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QBall

You say, "It is just a matter of her astral lover visiting her while she is in her physical body."

Well yes you are partially correct in this statement.  He does come to visit me at night, (he sometimes let's me sleep)  but during the day we make love via telepathy as I stated above to PeacefulWarrior.  Now to my knowledge he  sometimes comes to me during the day, it just depends upon how busy he is.

Clarissa

Hello
I'm new to this forum but I was just wondering what the difference is between astral sex, and lucid dream sex? Another thing is how to you meet a lover in the astral world, I havent had a obe yet but im trying I have had lucid dreams? So when you project out of your body you actually see other people??? Please let me know.

OK, now I have to join in.  Several years ago, I divorced a very good man, because he had no spiritual depth.  The deeper I progressed with my magical/spritual work, I found myself linking up telepathically with both men and women, and sometimes it felt very sexual.  I felt bewildered and SO guilty.  

Once I found out that my husband was having an "emotional" (not physical) affair with another woman, I decided that perhaps it was best to move on, let him go.   I thought it wise for our domestic situation to reflect REALITY . . . we were roommates, co-parents, but we did not have the spiritual bond that husbands and wives are supposed to have.

About "astral cheating"  . . . I think lovers need to come up with their own agreements early in their relationships.   Without a spiritual connection or even similar beliefs about the supernatural, it can be REAL hard to find common ground, and it puts you both at risk.  So it is worth it to do your best to connect with your lover's SOUL.  Once you connect, you kind of know what's OK, and what is NOT.

About slam-bam Astral sex:   Most men dream about sex every night.  Say TESTOSTERONE, everyone!  We all have it!  And here is some news for you ladies:  Most of the time, he is NOT dreaming about YOU.  Does that mean he's cheating on you?  Nah. The slam-bam imagery in his head is meeting a physical need he can't do much about.  It's not a threat to your relationship at all.  Ditto the slam-bam experiences (expected or unexpected) that men and women experience on the Astral.  Sometimes they just happen . . . and sometimes your experiences are in this wobbly no-man's land of what-the-heck-is-this?   Let it all just go.

Purposeful, repeat instances of transcendant sex tell a completely different story.  My advice to lovers everywhere:   Let go of the idea that you have to corrall your lover's mind and soul . . . . because if you feel as though you have to impose boundaries, well, you're kind of closing the barn door after the horse has left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   If he or she loves you, and feels connected to your soul, he/she will keep coming to YOU to get his/her soul needs met, on the physical AND the astral planes.    If there is NO soul connection, however, you are both in trouble . . . because your souls will then seek transcendence elsewhere.  This is natural . . . probably in accordance with some kind of cosmic law.

As for astral lovers . . . if you try to turn your relationship into an earthly marriage, you may be in for some major disappointment.  Astral love is free and unfettered.  Human relationships are messy and full of obstacles.   It's like dreaming of flying, and then deciding to jump off your roof after you wake up.  SPLAT!  


Tisha

"As Above, So Below"

Tisha, I pretty much agree with you. Except when you say astral lovers may be disappointed. This is true depending on what they are expecting. But I think this contradicts what you have mentioned above. Assuming that the astral lovers have connected in a spiritual way then would they not have a good relationship like the one you talked about needed above, just that they are kind of working backwards. Instead of meeting someone, having a relationship with them, slowly getting to know them, then start connecting spiritually, they start more spiritual and work the other way. Of coarse you are very much right in that when the physical relation occurs it will be more limited than what they are use to, but they will already have a strong spiritual and emotional connection.

I am a man and I rarely have dreams about sex. Sometimes I wish I did have more sexual dreams, as I think it would be fun and a good learning experience to explore my sexuality in such a manner. Maybe I do dream about sex and just do not remember, if so what a rip off!! LOL

Note that I didn't say that earthly relationships with astral lovers don't work out.  It's just that they can be DISAPPOINTING if you go into it thinking that "reality" will be as transcendant as your dreams!

I've enjoyed (?) a 15 year transcendant dreaming relationship with a married man.  My experiences with him have been spotty . . . perhaps one or two experiences per year.  Fortunately, his wife knows, and she and I are friendly.  She KNOWS about the limitations of earthly relationships and does not fear me at all.

My dreaming relationship with this man has been fulfilling.  However, my attempts to bring our relationship "to earth" (even as a friendship)  brought me nothing but loneliness and disappointment, as long as I held out for what I was feeling on the Astral.  Spouses, kids, distance, jobs . . . plus his PERSONALITY and CHARACTER DEFECTS, heavens!  I would have left him years ago had we had a chance to be earthly lovers.  Now, I simply accept the relationship for what it is.  I don't try to make something of it.

Funny, I'm going to Massachusetts to visit him and his family this weekend.  See you all next week!


Tisha

"As Above, So Below"

Tisha,
I did not mean that I totally disagree with you. People can be physical lovers and never get along to have a relationship. So should we expect anything different from astral lovers? I just ment that the relationship does not have to be totally disappointing. But it will if they do expect it to be the same as it is on the astral.

Got to go, post more later.

Hey Tisha -

You made a good point - I guess one part that I forgot to mention was this: In trying to sort through how to handle the situation I found myself in,  (A long process!) eventually I had a dream revolving around this person. It wasn't a sexual dream, but it was a sort of dream about how we could still interact in a positive way (through non-lucid dreams) without any conflict (no questionable ethics.) It was a pleasant sort of "We've known each other through many lifetimes and that will never change" kind of dream.  That dream was a big part of my decision to cut the conscious whatever-it-was in THIS lifetime. It was a dream about how we respected each other - and that included respecting our families because they are a part of us.

I've had a couple similar dreams since, again not sexual - but rather affirming.  

Also I agree that there are all sorts of aspects to physical sex/relationships that could potentially lead to dissapointment. Lots of times a little thing, like getting your hair accidentally pulled by your partner, or some other small physical thing, can take a splendid experience and make it simply "OUCH! Stop that!" And the personal traits as well - could present a challenge to the developing relationship to say the least.

Hi again Clarissa,

If you decide to cut the sex, you might add another weapon to your astral arsenal - try to program yourself to dream about this man non-lucidly. It could serve two purposes - It could be a weaning sort of transitional thing, or it could be a means for your subconscious to talk to you about it, help you sort through the situation. If  this sounds like a bad idea, then don't do it.

And if you ever want to talk about your situation feel free to pm me. I haven't been exactly where you are by a long shot, but I do care.

Patty

I just want to make one more comment in regards to everything that has been discussed in regards to to this subject.  I am a young man and was recently married.  I love my wife more than anything but God.  We have made covenants/promises to strive to progress spiritually and we pray, meditate and study together everyday.  We imagine our relationship as a trinagle, with God at the top point and both of us as the bottom points; as we strive to understand and love God more we find ourselves moving towards him and if can imagine, eventually it brings us closer together until we are one.

We are in love physically, mentally and spiritually.  We have decided that nothing can come between us.  We readily admit that we have faults but we also know that part of the challenge of this life is finding someone to love and then doing what it takes to make it together and hopefully raise a family.  

We did not have a "wordly" ceremony when we were married, in fact the words "till death do us part" were not uttered.  We were married in a sacred place and were married together for time and all eternity.  Everything about the ceremony pionted to the eternal, spiritual worlds that await us.

Yes, what Tisha said regarding uncontrollable dreams/OBE's is true, but I love my wife with all that I am and always strive to respect her and deserve the undying love she has for me.  

-Daniel



fides quaerens intellectum

Well everybody, I am getting married!  They called me last night and they said they are getting a divorce.  I am still in shock at the whole thing but am relieved a final decision has been made.

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XTC user420

I haven't really thought about the difference between the two.  You might want to consult Robert Bruce, the owner.

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Tisha

As far as a spiritual bond that husbands and wives should have, I agree with you on that but I can tell you that many millions of married couples on this planet do not have that and should.  Perhaps a spiritual bond present in a marriage would make a marriage stronger and the marriage would then be able to withstand anything that comes across its path.  I should think a spiritual bond is akin to super glue...

You say -  "If he or she loves you, and feels connected to your soul, he/she will keep coming to YOU to get his/her soul needs met, on the physical AND the astral planes."

You're probably right on this one.  More research would probablly have to be done on this and maybe the information  is already out there and if anyone finds it let me know.  In my above paragraph though, I wrote along the same lines by saying a marriage really does need a bond to make it stronger.  I know for a fact that I have that bond with my fiance, and its a pretty strong one.  I kept telling my friends,  "I'd be very surprised if he chose to stay with his wife, because he does not have any bond (spiritual or otherwise) with her whatsoever and they have very very little in common as well."  I have been through 2 fiance's, and neither of them had a bond present like the one I have currently.  It really does make a world of difference.

Your "spotty" relationship with this man is admirable.  I don't think I could handle something like that, given that I get too involved with a man and would seek to have more of him.  I've never had something like that, so I'm speculating, of course.

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FallnAngel

I am sorry you got ripped off!!!!

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Dearest Patty,

You are so sweet.

Thanks a million for the additional astral arsenal, but I won't be needing it now, thank goodness!!!!

It's been a long, tough road of eight months with my fiance, but alas, I have victory in my favor.  I asked him last night if he ever mentioned our telepathic sex to his wife and he said no.  I didn't think he would, as it is an extremely precious and private thing to us, and besides, she'd probably think both of us nuts if he did!!!

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PeacefulWarrior

Thanks for sharing your beautiful story.  I thought about your marriage vows not containing "till death do us part" and decided I might try this myself when I get married.  I will certainly bring it up with him and we will decide which words to use.  I especially like that you were married "for time and all eternity" and that everything pointed to "the eternal, spiritual worlds that await us."  Now that is deep, and very very special too.

Clarissa

Clarissa,
Congratulations. Are you getting married soon? I would advise caution in rushing into things too quickly. I am not sure how well you know this man besides of this bonding that you have been doing. But let me remind you of Tisha's words "As for astral lovers . . . if you try to turn your relationship into an earthly marriage, you may be in for some major disappointment. Astral love is free and unfettered. Human relationships are messy and full of obstacles. It's like dreaming of flying, and then deciding to jump off your roof after you wake up. SPLAT!" Just be aware that there will be obstacles. You can also have a spiritual bond with someone and still not get along with them very well to have a good marriage.

"Til death do us part"
I wonder how many people go into marriage with the same ideas as you Clarissa, but when things get hard it ends up like this man of yours. Not to pick on you and I truly hope you have a wonder marriage with this man. I am just saying I wonder if this man and his soon to be ex thought the same things when they got married. It just seems to me that marriage is actually meaningless now. I mean so many people get marriaged and then divorced. It is like the words, the vow, means nothing. To me if you are making the vow to be with someone for the rest of your life then you should stick to your word. Of coarse I understand that excrement happens and nothing is going to be all roses. It seems like the marriage vows should be changed to "I promise these things as long as it is convienent for me and as long as I remain happy."

'Love is blind", or how I like to put it Love is blinding. Be careful and do not go into this blind, Clarissa. Trying having a relationship with this man on the physical plane for awhile.

Congratulations!!!
I think you'll do just fine.  With that strong a connection, you can get over any physical shortcomings.  Tell us how well it goes.

I'll try to answer other's questions on how telepathic sex is possible based on my crude knowledge...
First of all, I've been told by both quantum physicists and spiritualists that space does not really exist.  We're all one massive point of consciousness in a huge illusion.  I'm not sure I completely believe this yet, but at least it answers the question.. you dont really have to go OBE to meet somebody.  It just feels more real that way.  Notice remote viewers see the same things OBE'ers do, yet only a small portion of their mind leaves their body.. or a clairvoyant may not leave their body at all.  
Also, consider just what an orgasm is.  The base chakra (maybe second too) charges up with energy to the point where it can't handle it all, and forwards the excess up to the rest in one big burst.. at least thats how I see it.  (Maybe projected outward in the case of a male orgasm, leaving him tired).  Therefore, having telepathic sex is just a massive exchange of energy.  Sound logical?

-Person

I just wanted to make clear that I was not making any judgements or trying to be harsh in my last post. Just wanted people to think. I hope I did not upset anyone.

FallnAngel - I wasn't upset by your post at all, just found more negativity in it than I cared to read.  The only thing I found positive was your congratulations, which seemed a bit skimpy in itself.  I trust my judgement on this person very much, but thanks for your warning.

Person,  Thanks for the happy congrats!  Yes we'll do just fine, with our connection.

As for the explanation on telepathic sex - I am not an expert on the mechanics of it.  I just know it works and its fun!

Yes, I will definitely keep you updated as to what's going on.

Clarissa

Yes I guess my post was rather negative. My intent was not to send out any negativity though, but to make people stop and  think. I think alot of people, myself included, rush into things because we get caught up in our feelings. I am saying things from experience, though I was lucky enough not to get into a bad marriage. I have fallen in love and rushed into things when if I had taken things slowly and actually use my brain a little I would have seen some things that I was blinded to because I was caught up in being in love.

I truly do hope that you and your man will be happy together and have a great marriage if this is what you feel you should do.

If you do not mind me asking, what is your sex life going to be like now? Are you going to continue as you have or are you going to bring in some physical contact? Both acts together should make for a rather awesome experience.

We cannot bring any physical contact into our sex life because we are in different countries.

What is our sex life going to be like now?  I'm not entirely sure, but I can tell you that right now at this moment his concentration on sex seems to have shifted from having lots of it to having hardly any at all.   I know most of his concentration is now geared towards my move and getting the house ready, so I really don't mind the significant change in our sex life.  Now mind you, I still feel his presence throughout the day and night though, that hasn't changed at all.

It's funny - all I used to want to talk about was my move, and he, sex.
Now the opposite is true.  All I want to talk about is sex, and he, the move.  Weird!  Interesting phenomena, huh?

I'll see if I can get a private conversation with him so that I can ask him more detailed questions.  But for now, we're doing pretty good.  Don't forget, although we're doing good, things will be better once we're completely alone and by ourselves away from his wife.  His wife is friendly, yes, but she's still a third wheel that lies right smack in the middle of our relationship.  I will look forward to the day when we can be completely alone and in our own house.  Ah - patience my dear, patience!

One comment though - I do realize his wife is still in love with her husband and that's got to be tough on her, so I don't make any demands upon either one of them.

Clarissa, hangin in there in USA

I have had the chance to haveastral sex at least I do belive
It is very entense !Is it cheating? I can do this all the time
whenever my "friend" and I talk wether on line or meeting in astral
we just seem to be able to.I can "call' him up even while im at a break from work..or at work? what does this mean??

Though you may be able to get out of your body, the silver cord is still attached. Does this not indicate that one is still alive? I mean, if your silver cord were to be cut, you'd die, wouldn't you? But while it's still attached, you can get back into your body. I think astral sex is cheating, but ONLY when you have control over it. If you are untrained and unintentionally have an OBE and do have sex with someone in the astral dimension, because you are unable to control it (it is a trap to keep us from ascending to the higher planes, isn't it?), then I don't think it is cheating, as one would not have the ability to prevent it, and would not do it on the physical plane. (whew, talk about your run-on sentence).

Wow, this is an old topic. I've been wondering about Astral Sex for a while now. Not because I want to do it, but because I think I may have experienced it (not intentionally at all).

I have (or more so 'had') serious Sleep Paralysis. A lot of the times I would end up being 'forced' to have sex (in any manner or fashion, details, I think aren't necessary). Anyways, the more I objected, the more pain I received, until I'd orgasm anyway.

My question is, (not sure if this was asked, I skimmed through the other posts), is SP sex considered a form of Astral Sex? And almost the same, if someone is paralysed (planning to OBE and is getting out) and can see their surroundings, ends up being 'attacked' sexually(and I don't mean a neg or anything, but I'm not sure if it IS one...), without wanting it...is it, again, considered Astral Sex?...

I'll understand if no one replies, seeing how old this topic is. Thanks to anyone who does though.

Wow, this is an old topic. I've been wondering about Astral Sex for a while now. Not because I want to do it, but because I think I may have experienced it (not intentionally at all).

I have (or more so 'had') serious Sleep Paralysis. A lot of the times I would end up being 'forced' to have sex (in any manner or fashion, details, I think aren't necessary). Anyways, the more I objected, the more pain I received, until I'd orgasm anyway.

My question is, (not sure if this was asked, I skimmed through the other posts), is SP sex considered a form of Astral Sex? And almost the same, if someone is paralysed (planning to OBE and is getting out) and can see their surroundings, ends up being 'attacked' sexually(and I don't mean a neg or anything, but I'm not sure if it IS one...), without wanting it...is it, again, considered Astral Sex?...

I'll understand if no one replies, seeing how old this topic is. Thanks to anyone who does though.

Wow that isnt a good thing.  

I personally would probably consider that more astral rape.  Or at least an astral sexual attack.  Astral sex as its used most places I've heard is consentual.  

Im sure you've read about succubus type entities?

ooh to answer the other part of the question from what i know that would be more of a real time zone thing.  So i guess technically it wouldnt be "astral" sex.

Oops. I didn't realise I posted my post twice..err...

Thanks goingslow for responding. It's been bugging me for some time now.

I guess you could be right, about it being Astral rape...I'm a little reluctant to believe it, though (probably because it scares the excrement out of me[xx(]

I thought that it was probably myself (even though I wouldn't have sexual thoughts at the time). The thing that confuses me NOW is...if it is, like you say, Astral rape, then how is this possible? I'm confused aout this because I've been told (and believe) that you can not be possessed while you are OBEing. Soooo, then wouldn't this 'astral rape' be just that (or something similar). Cause its' controlling you somewhat and 'forcing' you... *bashes head on keys*

About the Succubus thing. Yes, I've heard. Though, in my case, it would be an Incubus. ...I thought these weren't real.

Ah, I didn't think there would be much of a difference between sex in the Astral and in the RTZ. Heh. But it's still sex the same, I guess.  

The more questions that are answered, the more confused I become.

Well the only reason I answered about the technicallity of "astral sex" was I wasn't sure if you were asking if it was technically "astral sex" or if you were asking more about the entity.

From what i've read they're very real.  Have you read Mr. Bruces book on psychic self defense?  In it he gives a description of one he saw himself while meditating and while he had real time vision.  And gives accounts of other people who have had them attack.  

Ive never encountered them personally, but i see no reason to believe they're not real.  His explaination was as we all know these beings are after energy and their way of getting it is just different.  Instead of scaring people to get it they use sexual energy.  He also states its not an ugly creature its actually kinda beautiful and its only considered a neg in that its effects on people are usually negative.

I have had a astral lover for 17 years. He won't tell me his true identity.This is causing problems in my life, because I love him and would like to marry him. Anyone have any solution to my problem?

I thought something was attacking me, so I looked at the articles, and  read the one about astral sex, and I think what's happening to me is someone is having astral sex with me, while I'm awake, and don't want it.  Could someone help me make them tinkle off, they've been doing it for days now!

Hello Members,

I'm brand new, just registered today.  Pardon me for being a bit blunt, but I want to know if there is anyone out there who has had experience with astral sex?

Clarissa

Quote from: ShannonI have had a astral lover for 17 years. He won't tell me his true identity.This is causing problems in my life, because I love him and would like to marry him. Anyone have any solution to my problem?

You are right this is a problem...
I guess you could hold the picture or knowing who he is firmly in mind in the astral that would probable do it..

I have had sex within dreams, but wondered if this is the same thing as astral sex (as some say that when you dream you're in the astral planes somewhere... whether that's true or not, I don't know)?

Can someone explain?

Lol I NEVER play with myself when dreaming, it's always with someone else. So I guess I was having astral sex if you're correct.

I know what you meant. ;)

Quote from: G3MM4I know what you meant. ;)

lol

Well you could always create a thought form :D

"And you know the best about all of it? I can have any kind of sex i want"
- Waking Life

I think that movie has many great point and not just about this topic :D

I for one must admit to being an experiencer of astral sex ... in the past with fellow female magickal participants at a mutally agreed time and place on the astral ...

Recently I was contacted by a seeming unknown entity ... and enticed into the act ... to find out who it was after the event ...

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Quote from: G3MM4I know what you meant. ;)

lol

Well you could always create a thought form :D

"And you know the best about all of it? I can have any kind of sex i want"
- Waking Life

I think that movie has many great point and not just about this topic :D

I don't need a thought form. People in my dreams seem to be quite happy to oblige where sex is concerned... of course some of them might be a though form, but more often or not, they are people who I know in real-life, which in a twisted kind of way is scary... not that I'm twisted or perverted lol, I'm not.

Because I see them. But sometimes they are strangers. I don't have these dreams too often, just that when I do,  I tend to see people who I know from real life. Don't forget I also sense whether they are familiar to me or not. It's not just by sight.

i wonder how things went with Clarissa.  it would be interesting to hear of her experiences, good or bad, three years later.

as for the concept of "cheating" i've come to believe this is an artificial construct of physicality.  the only problems here are fear (of losing a loved one) and jealousy.

so, the classic answer is "up to you", but the points made about hurting a loved one are worth considering.

Okay, I have an astral lover it first happenned to me about 13 years ago. First it started I was very attracted to this female. Next thing I

Quote from: Clarissa on July 23, 2002, 19:26:28
Thank you to all who posted in this thread.   Below I have written responses to them:

QBall's 1st Post

You are correct, you don't have to astral projection to have astral sex.  You are also correct that astral sex is far more intense than physical sex, and the love felt between two astral partners can be of astounding magnitude.  My own personal humble opinion is that two astral people who are very spiritually inclined and who are also intense people will naturally magnify everything tenfold.

Thanks for the book reference.  I hope to get it soon.  I am sooo overloaded with the writing of my own book and doing research for it I do not have much time to read.

QBall's 2nd Post

You are correct that you have to be "open" to a certain degree to be able to receive astral affections.  This is where a person's psychic abilities comes into play.  I'm not speaking necessarily as an expert, but rather from personal experience.

LLmariL

How does one find an astral lover?  Much like one would do normally.  You might run into someone at a party, or meet someone on a board/list/group/singles group, or meet someone through a friend.  How well can they communicate?  That depends entirely upon the psychic abilities of both parties involved.

Tom

Why did I post astral sex in this "Psychic Self Defense" thread?  Because I need to learn self defense tricks that's why.  I do not wish to go into too much detail about my current situation just yet.  I wanted to first find out if anyone on this forum has had astral sex, so that they'd know what I'm talking about.

Jeff Mash

Naughty boy Mr. Mash.  That evil smile gave me a chuckle for some reason, though.  You haven't had astral sex yet, but you get worked up giving it.  Wait until you receive it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ah man, get ready for some mind-boggling intensity.

Now take a look at this interesting experiment I conducted not long ago:  I gave a male friend of mine an astral "hug".  This male friend is not psychic and he did not "receive" my hug.  The next day I gave a female friend of mine an astral hug, and she "received" it just fine!  This female friend of mine though is psychic, so it appears that both parties have to be psychic to give and receive astral affections and other things....  And Jeff, I'm wondering if those women you "touch" can feel your fingers in there...  Do you see any reactions???

Clarissa

With all due respect to the views, perceptions and belief systems of all who have posted in this thread.  Here is my question:  :? what if your not married and your partner does not believe that OBE or Psychic abilities etc exist?

Quote from: LadyTes on August 08, 2009, 23:58:18
With all due respect to the views, perceptions and belief systems of all who have posted in this thread.  Here is my question:  :? what if your not married and your partner does not believe that OBE or Psychic abilities etc exist?

As long as they respect your beliefs, there's no issue.
If they're belittling your beliefs, THEN you have a problem that needs resolving.

If they don't believe, then they don't believe.

My girlfriend thinks I'm partially crazy for believing what I do... it doesn't interfere with our relationship though.  :)

Yes, periodically for a number of years. There are some things about it that are a bit different than many may believe.

First, it is almost always related to a state of sexual frustration--the tension seems to attract any number of willing participants. The more tension, the more willing (and the greater the number of) willing participants.

Second, it may be "romantic" in the sense of one person being psychically attracted to another, but this is rare--it is much more frequently a simple case of "energy imbalance" (as Monroe described in JOB). That is, there is a sexual tension that "attracts" another (compatible) partner, who "balances" the energy. Specifically, in many cases astral sex is a very pleasurable "balancing of energy" that is translated to the nearest equivalent in the physical form, which is sex.

Third, it may be "exclusive" in the sense that one person can focus so intensely on another that he or she is able to have shared astral sex with the other person, experienced as fully and pleasurably by the other as by the "instigator." I have encountered a number of people who were able to "interact" with others during astral sex almost as completely as if they were having physical sex. That is, for all practical purposes, the emotional, psychic, and physical stimulation, pleasure, and satisfaction is at least equivalent to physical sex, and in most cases, better.

The "how you do it" part is a bit more difficult. In essence, you want it to happen. That wanting creates a tension, or pressure, that attracts others. The more tension, the more attraction.

I am definitely not talking about dreaming, lucid or otherwise. Astral sex is interacting with another, while dream sex is just dreaming. They are totally different experiences, and if you have ever had astral sex, it is so much more intnese, and so much more pleasurable, that "dream sex" pales by comparison.

Very important consideration, just as with every other type of OOBE or psychic experience--external verification and validation is essential. If you perceive that you are having astral sex with someone you know, that validation should be easy. Validation may be more difficult if you don't know your partner(s), but it is no less essential. Specifically, if you are having astral sex with soomeone, it should not be a major problem to discover that persons name and location, for verification. If you cannot communicate well enough with your partner(s) well enough to discover such information, you might question whether or not you are actually having astral sex, rather than an erotic fantasy.

While all the talk of "soul touching" sounds very romantic, it is much more a simple case of energy balancing. Remember, the more tension, the more attraction. Sexual frustration is a deplorable (and totally unnecessary) state in the OOBE state.

Finally, is it necessary to be "out" of your body to have astral sex? Not at all. The tension will attract eager and willing partners every bit as strongly if you are "still in the physical."

Quote from: traynor on September 25, 2009, 22:01:19
Yes, periodically for a number of years. There are some things about it that are a bit different than many may believe.

First, it is almost always related to a state of sexual frustration--the tension seems to attract any number of willing participants. The more tension, the more willing (and the greater the number of) willing participants.

Second, it may be "romantic" in the sense of one person being psychically attracted to another, but this is rare--it is much more frequently a simple case of "energy imbalance" (as Monroe described in JOB). That is, there is a sexual tension that "attracts" another (compatible) partner, who "balances" the energy. Specifically, in many cases astral sex is a very pleasurable "balancing of energy" that is translated to the nearest equivalent in the physical form, which is sex.

Third, it may be "exclusive" in the sense that one person can focus so intensely on another that he or she is able to have shared astral sex with the other person, experienced as fully and pleasurably by the other as by the "instigator." I have encountered a number of people who were able to "interact" with others during astral sex almost as completely as if they were having physical sex. That is, for all practical purposes, the emotional, psychic, and physical stimulation, pleasure, and satisfaction is at least equivalent to physical sex, and in most cases, better.

The "how you do it" part is a bit more difficult. In essence, you want it to happen. That wanting creates a tension, or pressure, that attracts others. The more tension, the more attraction.

I am definitely not talking about dreaming, lucid or otherwise. Astral sex is interacting with another, while dream sex is just dreaming. They are totally different experiences, and if you have ever had astral sex, it is so much more intnese, and so much more pleasurable, that "dream sex" pales by comparison.

Very important consideration, just as with every other type of OOBE or psychic experience--external verification and validation is essential. If you perceive that you are having astral sex with someone you know, that validation should be easy. Validation may be more difficult if you don't know your partner(s), but it is no less essential. Specifically, if you are having astral sex with soomeone, it should not be a major problem to discover that persons name and location, for verification. If you cannot communicate well enough with your partner(s) well enough to discover such information, you might question whether or not you are actually having astral sex, rather than an erotic fantasy.

While all the talk of "soul touching" sounds very romantic, it is much more a simple case of energy balancing. Remember, the more tension, the more attraction. Sexual frustration is a deplorable (and totally unnecessary) state in the OOBE state.

Finally, is it necessary to be "out" of your body to have astral sex? Not at all. The tension will attract eager and willing partners every bit as strongly if you are "still in the physical."

What if you were interested in having astral sex with a higher level being instead of a person of the physical world, such as a Goddess or a being that only exists in a higher dimension? Call it strange, but one of my fantasies is to have sex with a higher level being. I have thoughts of beautiful alien women coming down to Earth to abduct me lol.

Is this sex safe, could I impregnate someone or get any diseases from it?

Quote from: Chubysnow on January 09, 2010, 15:32:04
Is this sex safe, could I impregnate someone or get any diseases from it?

Pregnancy... Diseases...
These are Physical attributes/ailments only.

You could get the astral clap, or the crap.
*Sorry, I couldn't resist.*

Quote from: CFTraveler on January 11, 2010, 16:10:11
You could get the astral clap, or the crap.
*Sorry, I couldn't resist.*

ROFL!

Quote from: Xanth on January 11, 2010, 09:59:54
Pregnancy... Diseases...
These are Physical attributes/ailments only.

So being that this is an astral realm they do not apply...?
Kinda new to this stuff

Quote from: Chubysnow on January 12, 2010, 20:10:56
So being that this is an astral realm they do not apply...?
Kinda new to this stuff

That is correct.  :)
There's no "physical" on the astral... so none of it applies.

Lol

"it's not cheating because your astral lover is in a different dimension.
When a person is on the astral that person can have as many astral lovers as he or she wants." - Qball

:-o of course its like Road trip and the different area codes..

Whats the chances i'll meet Cheryl Cole in the astral?  :-D

I had astral sex last night and feel so guilty about it! I also tried to initiate astral sex with another male entity I was attracted to in my lucid dream, but I remember my higher self ended it before I could. I'm in a committed relationship and I vowed to my lover I would be faithful to him on all dimensions.  :oops:

Quote from: Valkry on January 16, 2010, 11:33:51
I had astral sex last night and feel so guilty about it! I also tried to initiate astral sex with another male entity I was attracted to in my lucid dream, but I remember my higher self ended it before I could. I'm in a committed relationship and I vowed to my lover I would be faithful to him on all dimensions.  :oops:

your higher self ended it?

Usually, I noticed if you get too excited in the dream you will wake up.  Lots of people wake up during sexual activities.  You have to learn to get excited without letting your physical body react or wake up.  (Your physical body will have increased respiration and other things, you need to try to control while you're dreaming, if you don't want the fun to end.)  :wink:

This might be a little X rated but I want to know: what happens when you actually orgasm in the astral?......do you wake up and find you have done it in the physical also?

Quote from: lily moonsong on January 17, 2010, 22:55:56
your higher self ended it?

Usually, I noticed if you get too excited in the dream you will wake up.  Lots of people wake up during sexual activities.  You have to learn to get excited without letting your physical body react or wake up.  (Your physical body will have increased respiration and other things, you need to try to control while you're dreaming, if you don't want the fun to end.)  :wink:

Well, the dream with terminated with a voice telling me that the dream was going to be ended now, for my sake.

Quote from: Valkry on January 18, 2010, 08:08:33
Well, the dream with terminated with a voice telling me that the dream was going to be ended now, for my sake.

CooL.  Well, I guess your higher self ended it then. 

Quote from: SkepticBoy on January 18, 2010, 06:56:14
This might be a little X rated but I want to know: what happens when you actually orgasm in the astral?......do you wake up and find you have done it in the physical also?

Most wet dreams are not connected to actual dreams of sex.  Lots of men who dream of sex do not wake up and find any "evidence".   Wow, this is getting graphic.   :-P

This might be a little X rated but I want to know: what happens when you actually orgasm in the astral?......do you wake up and find you have done it in the physical also?

There was a study done on lucid-dream sex, and apparently if you orgasm in a lucid then you do in your physical body too, but I'm not sure about Astral sex?
Since you do while you're lucid I don't see why you wouldn't in the Astral  :-)

 Hello Members,

I'm brand new, just registered today.  Pardon me for being a bit blunt, but I want to know if there is anyone out there who has had experience with astral sex?

Clarissa



Uhh.. what? lol you were on here talking about your Astral lover, remember? :-P Go back a few pages lol

Quote from: Chubysnow on January 09, 2010, 15:32:04
Is this sex safe, could I impregnate someone or get any diseases from it?

Use astral Condoms  :-D  :-D  :-D

Quote from: mon9999 on March 04, 2010, 05:26:11

Use astral Condoms  :-D  :-D  :-D

i hear astral mart is having a sale....

When I astral project and meet with women they always want to have sex because they know it's 'safe'. They can't have babies and they can't get some kind of strange disease. I usually have to run away before they try raping me!  :-o

Quote from: kurtykurt42 on March 05, 2010, 00:03:45
When I astral project and meet with women they always want to have sex because they know it's 'safe'. They can't have babies and they can't get some kind of strange disease. I usually have to run away before they try raping me!  :-o

Well! I guess you should just let them rape you   :-D  :-D

 Can't believe people still talk about this (or am I annoyed I ain't getting any). I have the occasional dream, but I did project in the morning once, and was pinned by a Succubus. (Or did I create it?). Scared the crap out of me, but manged to escape.

Don't think I've ever met a 'Succubus'... Funny word.  :-D

Quote from: kurtykurt42 on March 05, 2010, 13:34:50
Don't think I've ever met a 'Succubus'

Same.. what exactly is this 'Succubus' anyways?
Isn't sounding very nice lol

They are demons that take the form of a woman to seduce men to have sexual intercourse.

(http://th06.deviantart.com/fs8/300W/i/2006/163/9/2/succubus_by_olei.jpg)

Quote from: kurtykurt42 on March 06, 2010, 04:35:56
They are demons that take the form of a woman to seduce men to have sexual intercourse.

(http://th06.deviantart.com/fs8/300W/i/2006/163/9/2/succubus_by_olei.jpg)

Succubi draw energy from men to sustain themselves, often until the victim becomes exhausted or dies.

 Thinking about it now, I'd wished I'd gone along with it.

Yea, some are probably prettier than others.  :-D

(http://www.uotreasurehunters.com/quest/succubus.jpg)

Artists conception only.
True identity may vary.  ;)

glad I'm not a man lol

Glad I am lol

Quote from: missym on March 06, 2010, 21:00:54
glad I'm not a man lol

For woman there are Incubus.  :)

Oh lord now what is this 'Incubus' lol

:evil: ??

Glad I'm not a women.  :lol:

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/Faeden/Incubus.jpg)

LOL! reading your posts makes me laugh hilariously!!!!  :lol:  :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succubus

Enjoy :)

Quote from: Xanth on March 09, 2010, 12:12:47
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succubus

Enjoy :)

Oh thank you..
I'm sure I will XP

Thats old had syndrome, Im sure a demon would be smart enough to look better. Or else no one would give him their "precious bodily fluids"

Quote from: Chubysnow on April 16, 2010, 22:48:16
Thats old had syndrome, Im sure a demon would be smart enough to look better. Or else no one would give him their "precious bodily fluids"

In my opinion, Demons don't exist.

Astral sex? Who hasn't delved into lurid and steamy dreams. "Sex" is physical only. I don't care what any person says on this subject. "Passion" and "Love" exist to be shared astrally. If you are "horny" when you sleep or project you will be biologically driven to satisfy that primal urge. It is a distraction. Satisfy those urges prior to a projection and you will most likely be assured of a succubi/incubi free experience.
Sex "demons". LOL. I've been called worse.

Enjoy!

Question: did a horny person start this topic?

actually addict, astral sex is a big topic in general.  mostly because it's not anything like physical sex, but also because people tend to be oversexed these days, what with advertising and porn and whatnot.

sex is kind of a crude word for it though, it's so much more than what we think of as sex (in the physical).  it's a merging of being.

at the same time though, astral sex can inhibit people from really exploring the OBE environments.  like John Magnus.  he has some repressed sexual stuff that he couldn't seem to get over when he projected.  it took him a while to finally move past it and explore. 

i recently read "Astral Travel" by Gavin and (don't remember the woman's name) Frost.  they propose using sex as a "necessity" to motivate a conscious exit.

Hmmm in that case i should call up valeri next time XD Isn't TOO much sex in the realm bad though? where did i hear that at? NoY i think....

Now now guys, you shouldnt be encouraging minors to engage in sexual activities of any sort.

Tisk tisk

*wags his finger at the addict*

I don't think there are many minors here.

Quote from: AlanRK on December 21, 2010, 19:24:42
I don't think there are many minors here.

But there are some... and some = enough.  :)

I don't think those few will be encouraged to have sex based on what they read on a metaphysics forum. Even so, this is about ASTRAL sex. It's not something I agree with, but it's at least completely different from physical sex. Not to mention encouraging astral sex does not = encouraging physical sex.

besides, who are we to dictate anyone's sex life?

Old thread...
Pertinent question.

Is it possible to be having sex with someone you know on the astral and not be fully aware of it later...if say, you have Astral Alzheimers as I do?  I get feelings that I've done things.  Fractured pieces always flash back to me once I am awake...not enough to know for sure.  And I'm not about to ask this person if I am doing...what I think I am doing. 

I'll just say that it's "possible".
But, you'll never know unless you ask.  :)

You could just be "remembering" flashes of dreams which are just that... unconscious projections with subconsciously created people who don't really exist.

I never have sex dreams, because I always decline every proposition.  It's weird, though brief, what I can recall most with these instances is my feeling a profoundly deep love.  I also have zero recall on the initiations or the endings.  All of my memories take place in the midst.  The place is always the same.

I can't prod it now.
He mentioned it first...Stunned, I blurted that I never remembered the astral very well.  Still, it could also be an amazing coincidence, where we have the same experiences so far on a similar time line with completely different astral partners.  As he described his own accounts I felt myself rapidly begin to remember my own.

I remember the place most.  It's like a tomb, with walls so black I'm not sure anything even surrounds us except space, but there is one large, open window.  The window is always behind him so he's only a silhouette. a warm light pours through.  I have tried to focus on his face to see his eyes...everything either fades with the warm glow or else I close my own eyes.  The contrast between the light and the dark is so striking, besides the intense waves of emotion, that part is easiest to remember.  Though I'd say I remember maybe the equivalent of five or six seconds...broken apart.

In response to the discussion as to whether astral sex should be considered 'cheating':

I project, and my wife is still working on it. But we've both read quite a bit on the subject and both agree that astral sex would be no different than sex in a dream (albeit a lucid one). That being the case, we really wouldn't consider it cheating at all. In fact, we encourage each other to experience as much as possible in the 'astral' and are eager to tell each other of our experiences.

I wouldn't say that your astral self has no bearing on your physical self, but to limit your experience in the astral seems absurd to me.

Im a single, overworked woman and who is just starting to phase, though I have not yet astral projected i feel closer and closer every day to it. So Im wondering if lesbianism exists on the astral plane? I am one and I certainly only want to attract female entities. Also an earlier question about if its possible to have astral sex with higher beings like "Goddesses" ? How about some help for us singles ;)

Still Im curious, do you perceive Astral Sex like dream sex or when you project your astral bodies eyes are opened and you see things nearly as clearly as you see when awake? Admittedly, Im rather interested in this and find myself glad I somehow have awoken spiritually that Im on the verge of projecting.

Quote from: VampLena on June 26, 2012, 21:46:10
Im a single, overworked woman and who is just starting to phase, though I have not yet astral projected i feel closer and closer every day to it. So Im wondering if lesbianism exists on the astral plane? I am one and I certainly only want to attract female entities. Also an earlier question about if its possible to have astral sex with higher beings like "Goddesses" ? How about some help for us singles ;)

Still Im curious, do you perceive Astral Sex like dream sex or when you project your astral bodies eyes are opened and you see things nearly as clearly as you see when awake? Admittedly, Im rather interested in this and find myself glad I somehow have awoken spiritually that Im on the verge of projecting.

Put it this way... in an existence where you're simply "consciousness"... what is "gender"?
Gender is your physical body identification.  In the non-physical you have no physical body.

You simply "are".  :)

Quote from: Xanth on June 26, 2012, 21:52:12
Put it this way... in an existence where you're simply "consciousness"... what is "gender"?
Gender is your physical body identification.  In the non-physical you have no physical body.

You simply "are".  :)

That really opens the door to some interesting explorations in the planes. Why do you hear alot about bodies and people taking forms and shapeshifting in the astral plane if you become just energy?

Iäve had sex in lucid dreams which are very intense, I feel... but my lates astral experience I had not too long ago, which is a higher astral realm but still physicality or maybe the physicality was created just for me... I don't know... but anyways...

A) This man there, we first spoke, telepathicly and I heard him clear as day in my head, and he showed me things, it felt as if we were with each other for hours.

B) And then by the end of it he asked me how far I wanted to take this and I answered him in a question like, how far are you willing to go. *Naughty me* This ended up with us having sex, which I wanted. He seemed to really enjoy it, me too but I kept bouncing back and forward in councsiousnes.

I do not know this man but I think I might know who he was, but, this is where it gets tricky for me (I still haven't gotten this question answered)

All i felt was love, from me and everywhere else, I just know this was somewhere higher.
But I could not see this mans face, as if he was blocking me from seeing him, but at the same time I knew all along who he was while I was there. He asked me if I wanted to have sex, and I wanted it. And during sex when I moved up towards his face I think he was very... "relaxed" ;) and I happened to see half his face almost up to his nose which just confirmed to me who he was... is...

This was when i began bouncing back and forward in consiousnes, my guess is I got excited...

I want to know if higher realms can be manipulated and/or lower entites can project themselves as someone else and inflict those emotions on to for example me and mimic a higher realm...?

This person have entered my lucid dreams at 2 times before, all of which this year. ONLY.

I am open to spirits and all these things so if they could come in astral form into my lucid dream would not surprise me.

any thoughts?

So what does astral sex feel like, exactly? Can someone give me a clean description? I'm curious how it differs from dream sex. Or is it the same sort of tingly feeling?

Some people might disagree with me, but astral sex can be experienced here in the physical as well.

If you've ever been so completely in Love with someone else, that they make you feel all warm and tingly inside.  You and this person mix on a different level... so much so that your energies become one beating, pulsing heart bursting with Love.

It's not "sex" as we know it.  Physical sex, as we know it isn't Love... it's not making love, it's just sex.  It's purpose, beyond making yourself and another person feel good, is procreation.  Of course, the act can include this 'different level' though.  The level of sharing all that you are with someone else, but it's definitely not limited to this act.

Making Love is something you do 24/7 with the person you share your life with.  You share your life... your heart... your consciousness... your Love.  You share everything with someone else with absolutely no fear what-so-ever.  It's not even limited by just a single person, although it might not be as strong with others, but it's still something that comes from the same level.

This is Making Love... this is Astral "Love".  This is accepting everything as it is, and giving everything you have to give. 

This is how it feels.  It's not something you 'do'... it's something you 'are'.  What I've described above is also what "astral sex" is and feels like... the merging of two.

Quote from: Xanth on January 12, 2013, 22:03:39
Some people might disagree with me, but astral sex can be experienced here in the physical as well.

If you've ever been so completely in Love with someone else, that they make you feel all warm and tingly inside.  You and this person mix on a different level... so much so that your energies become one beating, pulsing heart bursting with Love.

It's not "sex" as we know it.  Physical sex, as we know it isn't Love... it's not making love, it's just sex.  It's purpose, beyond making yourself and another person feel good, is procreation.  Of course, the act can include this 'different level' though.  The level of sharing all that you are with someone else, but it's definitely not limited to this act.



Making Love is something you do 24/7 with the person you share your life with.  You share your life... your heart... your consciousness... your Love.  You share everything with someone else with absolutely no fear what-so-ever.  It's not even limited by just a single person, although it might not be as strong with others, but it's still something that comes from the same level.

This is Making Love... this is Astral "Love".  This is accepting everything as it is, and giving everything you have to give. 

This is how it feels.  It's not something you 'do'... it's something you 'are'.  What I've described above is also what "astral sex" is and feels like... the merging of two.

Xanth,

First off, thank you for such a lovely description. You are always so helpful. And I can not agree more with the making love aspect. True love. Sharing everything you are without fear or ego. I don't truly know if I have ever felt this intense warm tingly love in which the two energies become one. But, I sounds amazing. Maybe I just haven't met that person yet. Or maybe that connection just isn't developed yet in this point in time. :) But I feel like I am on the right path. Thank you again for your response. :)

I must be doing something different.

The more I read about 'Astral Sex'... the more I realise this.  :-D

I already have the physical part Xanth... I've been with Kathryn for 23 years. I say 'physical part' in the broadest term. You are describing pure unconditional 'love' for another being. It can't be actually put in words... so I'm not going to try.

Astral Sex is nothing but totally different... to me... compared to my physical reality sex.

I'm not disagreeing with you by the way Xanth... I just have a different experience of it.

Couldn't re-edit my post by the way... had to double post.

Quote from: Bedeekin on January 13, 2013, 07:40:21
Astral Sex is nothing but totally different... to me... compared to my physical reality sex.

I'm not disagreeing with you by the way Xanth... I just have a different experience of it.

Couldn't re-edit my post by the way... had to double post.

Do Beedkin, if it's not too personal of a question, whatsoever it like? Is there a way you can describe your experience?  Of not, I understand! :D I'm just curious.

you could have astral babies  :-)

Has anyone said that? there's too many pages and i don't have time to read the whole thread sorry :?
:-o

The meeting of souls, love, its purest form,
To lose eachother, your hearts, so torn.
This 'will die for', the feeling, the passion, the trust.
Irreplaceable, oneness, forever, no lust.
The merging of bodies, so crude, intertwined,
Compares, not one millionth, to  melding of minds.
True love, you know this?, your visit to Earth,
Somewhat it's closer, inherent?, no worth.

When two become one, when NP is claimed,
The physical, the return, no likeness, defamed.
The tears, the longing, again two discarnate.
Lifes blood to stop flowing, is worth it, but wait.

So strong is the calling, admonished, this need,
Succumb not to this feeling, offer no greed.
The time, its still passing, desires, await,
It's within all our oneness, past those pearly gates.

Szaxx

D'you know what, just love what you posted. Wow, great sentiment. Have felt all this myself. Nice one

I wanted to put the feelings into words in an attempt to explain the totally different aspects from each side.
Without much success in creating the correct frame of mind, I realised the power of words as presented above, far exceeds just plain text.

Ange. I'm glad you know the feeling too. The message methodology obviously works.
I hope you know this in the physical at present. You've been torn to shreds in the past. I also know that feeling too.
There's no real comparison to the typical physical action much the same as the environmental state is rigid here but pliable when NP.
It puts an extra dimension in the saying "when two become one".
:-D

Szaxx

Yes I have felt all the above in the physical. Its such a wonderful feeling when you are so close to another person. And yes, if I lost that person I would be torn apart. I have been through so much, as have you. And its not always the person you are with, its like, the person you are meant to be with. And I do know who Im meant to be with and he knows it too. Thank you

I think this almost happened to me while I was at my friends house a week ago. I feel asleep on the coach, then I woke up in an OOBE, then all of a sudden someone was touching my legs. My legs started to spread apart ect. It felt really sexual. It was pretty intense, but I panicked, and woke up. Someone obviously wanted me lol.

Quote from: darksidessj25 on February 21, 2013, 16:07:32
I think this almost happened to me while I was at my friends house a week ago. I feel asleep on the coach, then I woke up in an OOBE, then all of a sudden someone was touching my legs. My legs started to spread apart ect. It felt really sexual. It was pretty intense, but I panicked, and woke up. Someone obviously wanted me lol.

Sorry... I thought you were someone else.  :oops:

:lol:

Rofl
:-D

Quote from: Szaxx on February 21, 2013, 17:42:05
Rofl
:-D

Sex seems to be a very dominant focus - it is quiet an animal thing at a base physical level - maybe even unknown thing until experienced and then transformed into its ...non physical rendition...

I remember quiet a startling encounter...I was doing things which had no obvious sexual connection in a lucid dream state in a kind of underground but well lit environment - like a huge car park only no concrete - rather stone and no cars....and all of a sudden I felt a presence I seemed to recognize and I looked up to see the form of this woman move about 150 yards from my own position - she was moving across from right to left and it was only a glimpse before she moved behind one of the many rock pillars but in that instant I immediately felt an intense joy and excitement and literally came....and then woke up...

The interesting part was that there was no actual sex or even thinking about sex - I was occupied with some thing or another (maybe examining maps)  it was just an instant moment of joy which translated into the physical world as an orgasm.

Its intense unlike anything physical.
Indeed William, right place right time for a flirtatious moment.

Quote from: Szaxx on February 28, 2013, 18:01:09
Its intense unlike anything physical.
Indeed William, right place right time for a flirtatious moment.

Hmmm...wasn't even any opportunity to get flirtatious Szaxx :D - really it was like a reflex...an instantaneous thing...I was reading maps...not pornography!  I was with others in what was rather a serious gathering...anyhoo...twas your poem which prompted the memory...so thanks for that.

xx

Exactly that. YOU were there. The LADY was flirtatious.
Had it been both party to the act, your post woukd have been longer.

Quote from: Szaxx on February 28, 2013, 20:25:45
Exactly that. YOU were there. The LADY was flirtatious.
Had it been both party to the act, your post woukd have been longer.

That's just the thing...she was doing her own thing...The impression I got about it all is that...we are connected deeply on many levels and our proximity sparked the...reaction :)  The feelings (for want of a better word) were not sexual but the reaction through the body in this physical dimension was, as if the body in bed could only respond sexually with orgasm - that is as far as the body was able to go as it were - in the cavern her presence was felt and you know...a deep familiarity and all the feelings and memories and other things associated with our connection - I feel right now to put 'ancient connection' - happened in an instant and perhaps she picked up on it too and in that 'place' we flew together and embraced but by then my dominant reality was in the physical universe - pondering as I got about cleaning up me mess :D...

When two become one. The melding of minds. Two aspects covered. Its powerful in that you can be apart from eachother and still have the experience. Id say its mental by far as opposed to physically attributed. You melt together in a oneness sharing everything. Total bliss, no idea of time even if it exists.
You never want to leave, that is an understatement. You scream at walls punching yourself for more time until you get ripped back to your body. Yep very angry too, but it doesn't last when the memory starts to regenerate in the physical mind.

Or on the RTZ? maybe you sneaked into Megan Fox's early morning shower with her. Joke sorry lol! has anyone had any sorts of sexual feelings or encounters or glimpses of their own fantasies when projecting?

Have you read this thread... or just plonked your question on the end of a thread about the question you are asking?  :lol:

I have not heard the Megan Fox joke , but the late actress Mae West is said to have invited ghosts to have sex with her . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mae_west   

Quote from: Qball on July 21, 2002, 10:07:17
There is a book by DJ Conway called Astral Love.
There are also a few other books around about the subject of astral love as well as explaining the subject of having a pagan God or Goddess as a lover.

the alchemy of ecstasy
http://www.tantraworks.com/sexsecrets.html

The most I have ever done in ture astral was kiss a guy; that's it. When I am in astral, I am usually much more interested in going to places and exploring than to do anything like that.

Though I certainly understand the curiosity involved, for me there is a huge barrier so I never pay this subject too much thought. My physical arousal is always enough to wake me up and this is an annoying thing to deal with at two in the morning.

I know it sounds crude but I'm just being honest.

Relax grasshopper, the arousal should be your mind. Your body will play it's part in the daytime. If it parts your play, your mind wasn't your own and being so, your body took you away from your game.
Emotion needs to be controlled, this is an important lesson.
To fully gain the 'one' from 'two', the minds meet then the meat doesn't mind.

I am pretty sure I read somewhere or maybe even from multiple sources you can sexual explore in lucid dreams and have control over most situations allowing you to live out desires (I know some people class projection as a lucid dream but still please don't jump at me :p) anyway at the moment I am more curious about the astral ,its inhabitants and exploring :) from what I have read on astral sex it sounds very interesting though on the fact I can not imagine sex as anything but physical obviously with a loving partner there are emotions but if you break down the act its quite physical and from what I read Astral sex sounds quite opposite :) sorry just ranting