Lost To The Ages - Monroe-Muldoon-Castanada-Leadbeater

[David Warner]

my biggest nightmare when I dream is when I was at band camp...

actually, believe it or now I was in the marching band and I still every now and then I have dreams in the band room with my fellow band geek friends. either playing music, or being tested by the instructor...

tvos

[David Warner]

Mendel,

How did you come across Robert Monroe? Can you be more specific?

Tvos

[Mendel]

Tvos,

The very first time I bumped into him was when I visited TMI-there,
which is the high-astral version of the Monroe Institute. Apparently,
he keeps an eye on the activities going on there with one of his
many selves. I introduced myself and started pouring on the flattery
and he acted like I was bothering him.

From then on, my encounters have been audio only. One night,
I was just minding  my own business while AP'ing around and I seemed to pick up a radio station with RAM's voice. He was going into a whole dissertation about "double bodies".

Then, a few months later, I heard his voice again talking about some esoteric subject. I asked a question and amazingly he answered. I proceeded to ask several questions. He then gave me a codeword to
reach him should I have more questions.

From what I can gather in my experiences, he would like to teach knowledge about the afterlife to anyone who would like to listen, hence the radio effect. So far I've had difficulty remembering what he says. As you know it can be hard to process technical information while AP'ing.

-mike

[David Warner]

Mendel,

Sounds very interesting and actually shines hope that he's in contact - very cool indeed.

Btw: You said that you picked up a radio station with RAM's voice. Was this in the astral or physical?  Are you in the astral world at the time, meditation, trance, channeling? What level of the astral or higher would you say that you've reached him at? Also, have you used the codeword to verify?

Please advise and keep up the great work!!

Tvos

[Frank]

Hi:

A few people asked me about possibly contacting Monroe recently, which sparked my interest again. I have come across what looks to me like Monroe a number of times, but I still have not been able to prove that to myself yet so I tend to refrain from commenting.

I never managed to find the supposed TMI-There either. Anyhow, I've been giving it a go the past couple of mornings and this morning I made contact with a person again who, to all intents and purposes looked, sounded and spoke like Monroe. We chatted for about half an hour (as it felt like there). We were outside a light-coloured stone building, which I am assuming was his "house". We were sitting talking about his work mainly and I was telling him about the developments that were taking place here. He appeared interested and delighted about particular aspects.

He confirmed to me the importance of the focus 3 state and the need to achieve a deep focus 10 in order to set the process rolling. He confirmed that he created the focus model as a teaching aid and he did not use it himself as he was beyond using it.

I asked him about more technical aspects regarding Focus 4 of my model and explained about my problems in going "beyond" focus 27, which I won't go into here as it's all just my technical research stuff and irrelevant to the thread. But one interesting thing he stated that his focus 34/35 is in the physical (i.e. the wider physical or what mystics would term the RTZ) which was interesting.

In all, though, I did not manage to get any kind of infomation that I could use to objectively check whether this person was who he said he was. The energies can translate in all manner of ways and it is a minefield for the unwary and for those who enjoy jumping to conclusions.

I'll be trying again and perhaps next time talk about more general matters, to see if I can get some snippets of info I can perhaps check with people at TMI for authenticity. Whoever it was I can definitely say was resident within the upper branches of Primary Focus 3 of my model. In other words, I am 100% certain it was not my own construct. But as to whether it was actually Monroe, I cannot say.

Yours,
Frank

[David Warner]

Frank,

Question - what about the other authors we've read their books. Have you ever ran across the following?

Sylvan Muldoon
Carlos Castaneda
C.W. Leadbeater
Scott Rogo
Helena P. Blavatsky

Its good to hear that people are making contact with Robert Monroe and that he's definitely alive and communicating back to the public.

My question is since Monroe is now separated from his physical body and has past on, wouldn't in theory mean that there's that separation then these different levels of focus 1,2,3 etc? I still find it hard to understand that there's no separation during a obe. I've studied Monroe for awhile (long time ago) and many others.  To me, once there's detachment after death - what else could there be? The spirit/soul exists outside the physical body.

Your thoughts are welcomed.

Tvos

[Ben K]

I asked him about more technical aspects regarding Focus 4 of my model and explained about my problems in going "beyond" focus 27, which I won't go into here as it's all just my technical research stuff and irrelevant to the thread. But one interesting thing he stated that his focus 34/35 is in the physical (i.e. the wider physical or what mystics would term the RTZ) which was interesting.

So is he saying that you go in a loop or you enter some "trans dimensional" area of the physical of some sort? Thats very interesting.

[Frank]

MT:

I agree, very interesting.

In terms of the original model, it would be assumed that a focus state higher than focus 27 would be "further out" in terms of an area of mental focus. But it would appear that everything just becomes muddled with this focus 34/35 concept that I always said just didn't add up. Well, not for me at any rate as it simply did not concur with my experience.

In my experience, there is nothing "beyond" focus 27 in the sense of the continuation of a series of objectively oriented focus states that are in some way more profound or meaningful, let's say, than focus 27. Focus 27 is on the "edge" of that area in consciousness that "begins" at focus 23. It was my attempts to go "beyond" focus 27 that led me to formulating the view that the structure of consciousness was laid out into what I now call Primary Areas of Focus.

As you know I'm not religious at all but the very early teachings would appear to concur with this type of structure. That is, when you cut through all the layers of religious conditioning that has been laid on them by generations.

I studied Judaism in some detail and I have had a number of AP members who have come back to me saying how they have looked at other basic teachings. Now they know what to look for, they've been digging through all the mystical and religious conditioning that has been heaped on them over hundreds of generations and, sure enough, in the midst of all the flowery lingo many basic teachings from several sources appear to be talking of this 4-area structure of consciousness as well.

On the surface, then, it would appear that the whole religious "thing" that all these generations have been getting off on the past 2000 years or so, has been a mere distraction, a tangent to nowhere you could say.

Anyhow, getting back to the f34/f35 thing, it would seem this is not a focus state "beyond" focus 27 at all. But the label attached to a particular focus within the wider physical. Ha ha, no wonder I couldn't find it. But it still sounds a tad weird. All those little green men in flying saucers making meep-meep noises monitoring Earth changes. It all sounds more than a little far-fetched to me. But now I know where in the structure of consciousness this focus state is meant to be, I suppose I now have a better chance of checking it out.

The interesting aspect about his, for me, is to do with my investigation into the workings of these Trans-Dimensional areas in consciousness. There are many, many other physical worlds (could be an infinite number) and the weird thing is they all occupy the same physical space. The actual characteristics of the different dimensions can be wildly different but they all have this one thing in common, in that they occupy the same space. Anyhow, what "separates" them, if you like, are these Trans-Dimensional areas in consciousness that allows each physical universe to overlay on one another.

Now, I have it on good authority that it IS possible to "travel" between Trans-Dimensional areas. When I say travel I mean actual physical travel. It is also possible to do this non-physically as well I am told. So my theory is that these UFO sightings are, in fact, a kind of "bleed through" from another Trans-Dimensional area. An area that has people living within it who have already learnt how to design some kind of craft with the ability to travel between physical dimensions.

I also feel I am on the verge of solving the mystery surrounding the mystical notions of reincarnation, and this is wrapped up in the above I feel.

There is something about linear time that just doesn't add-up to me, there's something freaky about it that I cannot yet explain. So many times I have felt on the verge of a major realisation about it, but it won't come through into my area of objective knowing. I can experience it, as a concept, within Primary Focus 4 of consciousness, but I cannot bring it into my area of Primary Focus 2. Linear time could well be completely mind created and every aspect of our lives could actually be occurring at the same point in time. Plus, I'm getting to the stage where I'm becoming convinced that each person exists in his or her very own dimension of existence.

Anyhow, it's all early days yet but it is an exciting prospect (or it is for me at least) that the realisation or the knowing of how these Trans-Dimensional areas function, could hold the key to the eventual development of some kind of interdimensional craft. Not that I am saying that I personally could ever build one (perchance to dream!) but even to just get the theory down on paper would be a major step forwards.

Yours,
Frank

[Hans Solo]

Frank-

This sounds awesome!:

Anyhow, it's all early days yet but it is an exciting prospect (or it is for me at least) that the realisation or the knowing of how these Trans-Dimensional areas function, could hold the key to the eventual development of some kind of interdimensional craft. Not that I am saying that I personally could ever build one (perchance to dream!) but even to just get the theory down on paper would be a major step forwards.

If you could build this craft I could do the marketing.  We could literally make HUNDREDS of dollars!

Han

[Stookie]

Frank -

What about evolution? Do you think that focuses of consciousness change. Perhaps as more humans progress through the focuses, new focuses become available, or others evolve?

Rudolph Steiner spoke a lot about a consciousness that can be found in the RTZ, which he says is the center point of "spiritual" evolution. He also said that it didn't come into the RTZ until the late 19th century, but events here and in the astral have lead up it. Could this be a part of focus 34/35?

Last thing - If travel through transdimentional areas is true, would that mean a ship could leave from one place here, go into a transdimensional area, and comeback somewhere else here, ie. teleportation. That's one sci-fi theory that could work.

(These are ideas and concepts that are over my head. I apologize if it appears I don't know what I'm talking about, or have gotten off topic).

[Mendel]

Tvos,

I hear Monroe and his "radio" when I'm in the astral state but I'm connected to  my body. This is during the time I'm lucid when I'm sleeping at night. Lucid dreaming is my std. technique for starting exploration.
From what I've read in McKnight's book, RAM dwells in the "love plane"
I think this is also the mental plane, right above the astral. The fact that
I only hear his voice means, my state is of a lower vibration, but he manages to connect with me (using his technology?).  Note how Frank can see him also. I'm still working on reaching the mental plane regularly.
I should work with Frank to see if we are communicating with the same person, if Frank can glean my codeword or some other piece of info or vice-versa. Note how we can't verify it's Monroe we're talking to, unless RAM provided us some form of info that we could verify with his family or close friend.

-mike

[David Warner]

Mendel,

How often do you project and when you do are you able to tune into this frequency with RM all the time or by trial and error? I appreciate the info. and this would be great to see if Frank receives the same contact info from RM.

What methods are you using to reach the mental plane?

Tvos

[Mendel]

Tvos,
Thanks for letting me brag about myself
In a good week, I can project as much as 4 days out of the week. On a bad one, I might be able to muster a weekend trip sleeping in. I find the secret to lucidity for me is intention, energy work, not being stressed out in life, and getting plenty of sleep (low to zero sleep debt) Getting in touch with RAM has been a challenge, it wasn't intentional when it first happened. I've only done it now about 3 or 4 times, 2 of them intentional. The unintentional visits were stronger/longer. The codeword doesn't always work. My mental state seems to be more important. He commented once, sorry I can't speak to you, your energy isn't ready.
I think getting more visits with Monroe will require conscious mental plane projection. How do I do that? I'm not an expert, I'm just beginning to break the barrier. Let's see - pure thoughts, desire/request to merge with Higher Self, intention to raise vibrations or raise the "heat" kind of like revving up your energies, intending to switch to my mental body. I've gathered from other people, mental projection is somehow projection from a different chakra or point of the body. I don't have a sense, though, where I'm projecting from because when I  become lucid, I'm already "out" or least my focus is in the etheric body (seeing thru closed eyelids)
Maybe Frank can give us some tips on mental projecting. It's definitely the next challenge for me. Maybe they should start a new sub-forum on mental projection - the world of guides,HS,love,etc.
-mike

[David Warner]

Mendel,

I checked our your web site and am very impressed. You definitely got your s&^t together and are organized. I appreciate you sharing the info. with me and the AP members about RM. Sounds like you are DEFINITELY onto something so keep pushing at it.

I like when people brag about themselves because ya learn a lot and it also makes one think (me) how much I brag and could be a little lesser. But anyways, nothing like self indulgence ehh!

Couldn't ever imagine how to even describe a mental projection or go about it. That would be a total different change from the everyday norm of a astral projection! I've been searching for awhile now to learn how to reach the higher planes and I do thinks its all in the energy and vibrations.

That is very good you can get out 3-4times a week. I was like that when I started back in 1988, but almost projected everyday 3-4yrs solid. It got very tiring, mental, physical, writing the journals blah blah. Took a lot of time from the physical and burned me out, but still had the projections through out the years here and there. Well, I'm fully rested now and my experiences have been incredible. I just recently did my first card experiment and yielded excellent verification. I will probably post the whole experience in the AP section. Some real beautiful elements in the experience like meeting a angel taking form as a bird, rays from the sun beaming down to me, talking to my scottish terrier "Leroy" and of course talking to the deceased....

Lets keep in touch!!

Tvos

[Selski]

Hello everyone  

This happened to me just this very morning and I'm grinning all over my face about it.

By the way, Ted is a dog!
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I woke up at 7.45am and went for a wee.  Back to bed and did the noticing exercise.  Got tired so turned onto my side and fell asleep.

A bit later I was dreaming (but nearly awake) and I had Ted sleeping with me.  I had my arm over his and we were sleeping together.  I wanted to have an experience, because I haven't had one in the new place yet.  I was semi-awake but mostly asleep.  I placed an intent to have an experience and then thought there was no harm in asking Robert Monroe for his assistance.  So I mentally called to him and asked him if he'd help me get out.

Good old Robert!  I felt myself moving away from my sleeping physical body.  Rather than being in my own place, I realised I was in a house, unfamiliar to me.  I walked around for a while and then mentally decided that I wanted to go and visit a friend in another country.  I asked Monroe to help me get there.  Someone else was in the room and they said, "Who's Robert Monroe?" so I started explaining about him, which I knew would keep me lucid and "with it".  Then I looked out of the window and noticed the house was moving, on its way to my friend.  However, it was moving along about the speed of a boat and I thought to myself "hmmm, this could take a long time."  There was some kind of banister/staircase contraption in front of me, so I put one leg either side of the bottom banister and held onto the handrail, in the hope that feeling the solid wood would keep me in the experience.  I continued to look out of the window and could still see land, so I knew we hadn't left England yet.  Then I thought, "I hope I don't lose this before I get there."

What a silly thing to think because I lost it as soon as I thought that.

However, I was back in the dream with Ted sleeping next to me.  I cursed myself and remembered that Monroe had said in his books that if you want to visit someone, you merely have to think of them/their personality and you'd be there.  So, I mentally said, "I'd love a second chance, Robert, please let me try one more time, I know what to do now."

And ta-da!  I rose from my physical and off I went again.  I think it was the same house.  I appeared to be on the first floor.  Just as I was about to think of my friend, I looked out of the window and I saw two men on the pavement outside.  The man in front was looking up at me.  He had a grey suit on, grey short curly hair and a grey moustache.  He had no expression on his face at first.  Instantly, I felt it was Monroe.  It looked like Monroe (certainly like the picture I've seen of him), only a lot older.  He looked very business-like.  I started smiling and mouthed to him, "Thank you Monroe" and he smiled back as the house started moving again.  His smile was warm and genuine.  I continued watching him, all thoughts of visiting my friend gone.

Then I looked away, and was far too excited to remember anything else.  I just kept thinking to myself, "That was Monroe!  You've just seen Monroe" whereupon with all the excitement, I promptly woke up.
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Sarah

[David Warner]

Selski,

Very cool indeed - its those experiences that last a life time. Too bad you couldn't take a Polaroid picture of you with Monroe and bring it back!

It appears that Robert is still active and communicating with fellow projectors and that is great to see!

Maybe the house that you were in was a houseboat of some sort? Will you able to get a good detailed description?

Tvos

[Selski]

Maybe the house that you were in was a houseboat of some sort? Will you able to get a good detailed description?

Sadly, I must admit to not being a very observant person, either in non-physical or physical.  I only see what's in front of my nose most of the time, which means I miss loads of stuff.  

I'm working on it.  

However, all that being said, I'm pretty sure I'd recognise Robert again if I saw him  

Your theory about the houseboat is interesting - I hadn't thought of that.

Sarah

[Mendel]

Sarah,

Congrats on contacting Monroe. "Thank you" that's
the first thing I said to him when I saw him, too.
Now that he knows you're looking for him, he might
unexpextedly pay you a visit like he did for me a
few weeks/months later.

-mike

[Selski]

Hi Mike

I sure hope he does pay me a visit again.  

What is especially nice about it all is that before yesterday when I asked for Robert's assistance, I'd been going through a dry spell, where for about a month or so nothing had happened to me.  

However, even this morning I managed to sway from my lying position to the other side of the bed and open my eyes.  And today I was totally awake.  That was all I could manage, mind you, but after a dry spell, it's enough to know you've still "got it"!!

Sarah

[Mendel]

Sarah,

I know what you're talking about regarding dry spells.

It's nice to know there are different intercessors out
there who can help us back into the astral. That is, there
seems to be certain people like Monroe
who offer their services to projectors who need an extra
push. I've gotten help from other people's guides and
and two energy healer Masters - one alive/one deceased.
Someone on another board, a devout Christian, says
her archetype gives her a big boost.

-mike

[David Warner]

Seleski,

About three months ago I really started hitting the ap's real hard. Focusing my intent, energy, feeling that excitement and working towards these experiences once again. At the most, I've had 3 weeks dry spell during these 3 months. I questioned "why" and what am I doing wrong?

I was getting a little worried until 3 days ago when I hit it big with the card experiment. What I think really helped was setting my alarm clock to go off every 1/2hr. That would force me to slip into the hypnotic state easily. When I did come back from the projection, I was able to determine that it took me 1/2hr to enter or wake up into the trance state and leave. I think by having the alarm clock set and ready to go off every half hour forced me to wake up or into the trance state.


Maybe this will help in the future?
Tvos

[Selski]

Tvos

I've often thought about setting the alarm - but I love my sleep too much.  I hate it being interrupted.  

During the dry spell, I knew they'd come back eventually.  And I also know that I'll be projecting regularly again in the not too distant future - I can feel it in my bones!

Sarah

[David Warner]

Selski,

I understand what you are talking about enjoying sleep! Its a beautiful price we pay for projecting!

Its either our beauty sleep or projection..

But you are right about sensing when a projection will occur. I just knew somewhere in the back of my mind that I would be successfull in projecting last week. I think the alarm clock added to the experience!

Tvos

[David Warner]

Selski,

The night before I tried setting my alarm to go off every 1/2hr and it didn't seem to work as effective like before. Maybe, I should try every 20mins to see if there's a better chance.  

I wish that I knew why some days I can fluently project and others why even bother? There must be something within the physical that can be easily tapped into at will projections.

I started putting together a spreadsheet and am tracking my food intake, hours of sleep, and dates of projections - false awakening, and lucid dreams.

Tvos

[David Warner]

anyone here met up with Castaneda, or Don Juan? what about the others like ledbetter or carrington?

tvos