Phasing methods

[Aries]

Thanks for the link. So I guess there is still no word back from Frank yet?
-Aries

[Nick]

quote:
Originally posted by Aries

So I guess there is still no word back from Frank yet?

I'll depart from the topic of Phasing Methods for this post to report on Frank. His absence remains a mystery. His last post was in mid-July of 2003. The forum administrator Adrian, as well as a few of the moderators have tried tracking him down in the UK with no luck. []

My hope is that someday we will hear from him, or at the very least, hear of him. Thanks for asking about him. He is really missed.

[Pete]

When I do "phasing", I find that the most important factor is my intention going into it. I get into a meditative state where my mind is quiet and more or less empty, and then I watch and listen in my mind's eye very intently and patiently. I don't concern myself with what level it may or may not be (I have the Monroe Gateway cds and use them sometimes so I am familiar with them. It is not at all necessary to use them to do phasing.) I then have an intention to do something, such as to meet with someone who can answer a question or show me around or to be in a certain place. This can be very general or very specific. The point is it has to be something so that you cause something to happen, cause yourself to go somewhere. You don't want to have the intention to have the buddhist type of "empty mind" as that is what you will get (though you certainly need to have a more or less quieted mind). I find that if I focus too much on Monroe's levels, this or that level, it distracts me from just being out there.

Then if you wait, watch and listen (in your mind's eye), very intently, without talking in your head, something will start to happen, you'll get a flash of an image, a face,  a place, it could be a lot of things. If you focus in on one of these, having the intention to experience more of it, you will. The more you can just "feel" your intention, know it, without saying it, the more likely you are to have a fluid, less interrupted flow. Too much thinking or analyzing or talking during this can throw you out of it, though you can do these things and snap right back in. There are varying depths you can go to, from surface impressions to very real being there experiences.

For me, I don't actually need to go through "phases" at all but can boom just be there. Now, I am not talking about the traditional obe. In fact, for me at least, I think that trying to do a traditional obe and trying to do phasing can interfere with each other. I have to decide which I am going to do in any one session. By that I mean, I can get too deep in meditation where I begin to have the OBE symptoms, shaking, feeling myself lift out of the top of my head, or some state just before that, a very deep meditation, and this can be so deep that I start to have some of the problems that OBE can cause, such as not being able to remember what you just experienced. I think that is the main virtue of phasing, that you remain fully conscious and can remember everything. It seems to me that what I am doing is projecting a portion of my consciousness out into the nonphysical realms. With OBE you take more or all of your consciousness out there and so this causes problems with retaining the memory of your experiences when you return.

In my experience, I also find that this "phasing" can after awhile be experienced very easily, so easily that we dismiss it is happening at all. The thinking goes that we want to go through a long hard meditation process before we can do it or it can't be real. Often, these beginning surface phasing impressions can come when you just close your eyes and are aware of what is happening inside your head.

Now this starts to resemble what other people have called channeling or being a medium or psychonavigation or focused attention, or what shamans do. I think there is only a fine line between these things if any at all. I think the differences are more a matter of what depth you go to, what portion of your consciousness you send out there.

Though I and most people crave the drama of the full classic OBE experience, I think that this "phasing" method may actually be the better one for a number of reasons. The first being the memory issue I mentioned, another being that you avoid the shock of your ego/mind watching you leave your body which is what is holding most of us back. I also think that with phasing, because you are sending a portion of your consciousness out there, it is very difficult, (I haven't been able to yet) project into the RTZ, as if your physical world awareness keeps you vibrating at a higher level which makes dropping down a notch to the lower astral RTZ more difficult. I don't know. I'm still thinking about that one.

Okay, so once you've got your consciousness partially projected out there, I find that I can then have all sorts of experiences while being fully conscious, meet people, go places, find answers to questions. I experience a variety of levels of "real-ness". I'm still working on what determines that. I think it has a lot to do with, again, intention. I have a lot of questions about what I am experiencing sometimes, doubts, and I think that they keep me more here than there and so make the experience less real than more real.

Oh and I wanted to mention imagination. Another way, in addition to intention, of phasing is to use your imagination. Imagine where it is you want to go, who you want to meet, in great detail. At first, it will seem as if you are just making it all up and will be so simple you will think nothing is actually happening. However, if you stay with it, have the intention of making it more real, listen and watch very careful and patiently, the thing you are imagining will start to take on its own life and will become very real. It may take off from what you've imagined to something entirely different, or it may deepen what you've made up. But, you will just find yourself there, easily, no effort. The more you travel around, talk with people, deepen the experience as much as you can, the more you practice it, the more validation you will pick up as to its reality. But at first, you have to suspend your doubts and allow your imagination to work for you. I think that that may actually be the imagination's purpose, to act as a mechanism to ease you in, to phase you into awareness of the nonphsical realms. And again, it can be so easy as to make us think it isn't happening at all.

that's all I've got for now

Pete

[coral1]

Hi Pete

  Great post!I think that`s the best description of phasing I`ve read here.I`ve had some success with phasing but I find it hard to hold the state for more than a few moments.It`s a tricky mental balancing act. I agree about the advantages regarding memory retention.I`ve been having alot of blank spaces in my projections lately probably as a result of staying out too long.I`m going to keep practicing and use your post as a guide.

Cheers!

[Pete]

Thanks coral1. But it does sound as if you are able to project. Is that right? If so, I am really interested in the differences, as I have not been able to do the classic OBE, or at least only once and then a number of times right up until it happens, then I zonk out. If you can project, wouldn't it be easier to just do that rather than phasing? though of course, there are the memory limitations. I find it interesting that someone could find projection easier to do than phasing. Or perhaps I am misunderstanding you. So why choose to do phasing over projecting or in addition to? Is it for the reasons I mentioned in the earlier post?

The main drawback to phasing, I think, is that it can be so similar to imagination when you start and when you are not in really deeply, that it feels like you're making it up and so not as legitimate.

The times when phasing is the most difficult for me is when I have some other things going on in my life that distract me with worry, like the pickup truck needing work or figuring out how to fix a plumbing problem. But I can usually get there. The depth I achieve varies though.

I had one experience lately where I was getting some information for a friend and I kept having trouble with it, drifting in and out and not getting as vivid an experience. The reason I picked up was something to do with the level I was trying to reach being difficult for me, high vibrations or sometehing like that. Also, that the people there were not entirely thrilled to see me (not rude but not basically all that thrilled). They asked me to tell my friend to come there herself as they did not want to tell me her personal information. Kinda funny really. (She did go there and got what she needed).

It sounds like you have made some great progress since I last posted on this site. I'd be interested in hearing an update. Congratulations.

Pete

[Pete]

More on imagination - or perhaps what we do is create in the astral planes the scene we are imagining and it is there for real as thought forms and then those people in the astral planes we are trying to contact or interract with are then able to come to that place and animate it, inhabit it, and if we are willing and able, then take us on from that to other things. Or if it is a place we are imagining and intending to go to, perhaps the thought form attracts us to the place, carries us to it, and then overlaps it more or less, and we then start to perceive the real-ness of the actual thing.

I guess I wonder about it because I have a lot of mistrust of the imagination I am trying to get over, as if I think it is misleading me when the truth seems to be that it is actually leading me.

Pete

[Ultraveil]

Hi Peter, I have only recently joined the Astral Pulse furums and I'm very impressed with your ability to articulate what you see and experience in words. It's a great gift you have.

I stumbled upon something interesting about the imagination a few years back which you may find interesting. If you take the actual word "IMAGINATION" and split it into three - you get "I" "Magi" "Nation" which is directly interpreted as My Magic  World!

Hope to speak to you soon. P.S when phasing and you reach the "3D blackness!!!" try "imagining" the word "ve-ger-bu-rah" in fact, vibrate it using that high pitched noise you "hear" between your ears!

[Haematite]

Hello to all![]
I'm happy to enjoy that international community of people who are trying (and often manage )to reach other worlds. I'm brand-new here and I have to admit that most of the turms you use make me feel a bit confused cause I don't know what they mean, and my english language isn't fluent at all (please, let me be excused [:I]). But after more reading and pottering here I began to realise that I've experienced some of the things you're talking bout - lol I only haven't knew their names...and probably I've thought I was going mad []
It's good to find so many people you can understand and to be understand by
See you around
Blessed be []

[coral1]

Hi Pete

  Even though I can project in the traditional way I`m still interested in learning the phasing technique. The way I understand it is that it directly projects your conciousness to the astral without the intermediate steps of creating a projected double.That right there would eliminate the memory problem.Another advantage is a much greater degree of control over where you end up.I have yet to master any reliable navigation skills and tend to "arrive" at various locations within the RTZ, astral or combinations of the two.The person who impressed me the most who uses a phasing technique was Ginny.She is able to travel at will to various locations with a great degree of accuracy.I think that was why Frank was doing it as well and he`s my hero!Unfortunatly since Frank left the forum the phasing thread has languished.

    When I`m going down through the various Monroe focus levels I`ll see glimpses of astral scenery but when I try to move into them or place an intent to be there they simply fade.I think my problem might be a reluctance to use my imagination, or at least give it free rein.Bruce Moen emphasizes this point as an important part of his focused attention technique and I think it might hold true for phasing as well.Anyway I`m going to keep trying.One of these days I`ll stumble on the proper mind-set to make it happen.

Happy Trails

[coral1]

Hello Heamatite

    Welcome to the forum.Your English is better than half the people here who speak it as a first language!I look forward to reading your posts.

Cheers

[Pete]

Hey coral1,

<<I`ll see glimpses of astral scenery but when I try to move into them or place an intent to be there they simply fade>>

Interesting. Perhaps step back a bit and let one sort of come to you. I mean, a lot of the scenery may not be connected enough to your true desires and purposes to engage you enough to enter them, even though you might intellectually want to. Perhaps step back a bit and see what emerges. Or even ask for someone to help you enter one. You didn't say what your intent was but I do think it needs to be more than only the curiosity to go to a place, at least in the beginning of trying to do it, if not as a general rule.

I don't experience it quite the same way, I don't go down through the levels. My feeling is more horizontal and dimensional, as if things are appearing in front of me and then I enter when something is clear enough. Then I have movement, lateral, vertical, etc when I'm in a place. Though sometimes it isn't as clear as that and I am just in an exchange with someone face to face.

My instinct from what you wrote is to suggest examining your intent, maybe seek out the answers to some question or desire to meet with someone deceased or a guide or something, and then the entering into the scenes happens as a by-product. It's seems a lot like things in the normal physical world - the more interested we are in them, the more real the experience is to us and we are only interested in those things that have some real relevance to our goals, hopes, desires, etc.

Also, since what we find is so unexpected, another suggestion would be to not try to control the experience and just go where you go, but that doesn't sound like what you described. For me, most of these "trips" start with impressions of something that is so out in left field that I don't think it can be related to the questions I have or my intent, an image of a bird flying, then I see its over a valley, then I see there's a river in the valley and some men are riding horses off of ships, etc etc and the it starts to gain depth and real-ness.

Another suggestion is to put out suggestions and questions for what you want to happen. Sometimes, if it is fading a bit, I will say, I want this to be more real please, and darned if it won't get more real. Sometimes just for a few seconds, I'll hear things suddenly when I wasn't hearing anything, and then it might fade again. My impressions at those moments is that I must be having trouble maintaining the level and someone on the other side is giving me some help for a few seconds and then letting me go back to my own efforts.

Anyway, intent seems to be the key, is my impression of your email.

Also, for me, intent comes from the heart chakra area, not from the brain. I often feel it coming from the heart area, so to further define the word, intent might also mean what you desire or feel or want. Communication while phasing seems to all come through the heart chakra for me also. When you want to enter a passing scene, you might try focusing on your heart chakra area and see where it is pointing, or leaning, or takes you. Or throw out a "connection" from it to the scenes and see where it "attaches" itself. Just some ideas to play with that sometimes work for me.

I am envious that you can do the classic obe. It does seem that it is a common feature that it is a bit unpredictable, to do it at will and to navigate once in. I am starting to suspect that there might be some natural protectiveness reasons for it. One thing that comes to mind is that the lower astral planes are not suppossed to be that great to be hanging around in and maybe the mechanism is there to protect us. I don't know.

When you phase and maintain that awareness of yourself here to some degree like you don't while obe, it definitely acts to ground you here and allow your conscious mind to exert some sort of control. Finding that balance between control and interferring with the experience is the art.

I am familiar with Bruce Moen's work. I've read his books and listened to one of his workshops. It is essentially the same thing as what we are calling phasing here (and what a friend of mine calls channeling). I think it is just a matter of degrees, of how real the experience gets. The least real being a medium and the most real being the classic obe. For some purposes, or intents, it doesn't seem necessary to get real real, while other times it does.

all the best
Pete

[Nick]

At this point in this thread I thought it would be appropriate to include a previous post by Frank. He hasn't been here for a while, however his posts have always helped many of us, so here is a post of Frank's from the thread Achieving consciouness state for Astral phasing:

I've had a number of PM's asking similar questions about my comments regarding the mental-rundown given on the monster-thread as being a kind of primer which kick-starts the natural Phasing process.

The questions relate to how you integrate the two and kick-start the process; how can you tell when the process has been kick-started, and what to do then, etc. So I thought I'd post a reply here as it pertains to the thread title.

What is the purpose of creating a mental rundown?

The rundown acts as a kind of mental primer which gets you in the mood and increases your anticipation and expectation levels (very important). The rundown is not what causes you to Phase to the Astral. Phasing is a natural process which comes about under certain mental conditions which I expand on later in this essay. It also gives a person practice in focusing their attention away from the physical body into the expanse of their mind. In other words, what you are basically doing is imagining you are Phasing to the Astral.

What shall I try, and for how long, and how often?

The mental-rundown exercise should be performed preferably at least once each day at around the same time. It does not really matter what kind of mental rundown you use. Simply do whatever feels right for you. Someone posted fairly recently they tried to work out their own but gave up and used the example I gave with a few changes here and there. Others have created their own from scratch. Like I say, it truly does not matter.

You don't actually need the Wave-1 CD either. You can formulate a mental rundown to some relaxing music, or create something using Brainwave Generator, or use whatever suits you. All I would advise is for you to create something of around 30 to 45 minutes duration which you are basically happy with then stick with it. In other words, don't make it too short, or too long, and no chopping and changing.

Okay, I've formulated a mental rundown so what next?

Once you have learnt your mental rundown you are ready to use it as a mental primer. First you go through it. Then simply remove the earphones (if you are using a CD or tape) and try Phasing for real.

In cases where you perhaps haven't got all that much time to spare, what I would suggest is you create a short version of your rundown. Say, around half the duration. Then, every other time, listen to the short version after which you try for real. Once you get more competent then perhaps switch to the short version each morning. Or maybe try a regime of rundown one day and try it for real with no rundown the next. Again, it truly is a case of whatever suits each individual.

What do you mean by "Phasing for real?"

When you come to Phase for-real, you switch from perceiving metal imagery you are imagining as part of your rundown, i.e. where you are imagining you are Phasing to the Astral, to perceiving images that are being created as part of the normal Phasing process. In other words, you are not imagining anything, you are doing it!

After going through my rundown I try it for real and nothing happens, why?

Chances are, your physical-body is distracting you by capturing your attention.

One of the benefits of formulating a mental-rundown to some kind of audio recording, is it takes your mind off both the physical body and the Physical environment. Plus, you know exactly what imagery to perceive as it is you who is imagining it. Without these two mental props it can feel like you are right back at square one.

Main things you should avoid when trying for-real

Thinking about day-to-day Physical-realm matters.

Any kind of thinking about anything to do with the Physical-realm tends to put a *big* spoke in the works. In other words, you can't really hope to kick-start the Phasing process if one part of you is thinking of your dental appointment next day; or whether you'll get that pay-rise you requested; or your birthday next week, etc., etc.

To deal with this what you should do, right at the start of your practice, is imagine a large box and place all your Physical-realm concerns in that box. Then lock it securely and walk away. When you finish your mental-rundown, unlock the box and take them out again. This method is suggested by Monroe on the Wave-1 CD. It may sound a bit weird but it works!

Any kind of internally verbalised thought (even if it is to do with Phasing!).

What I mean here, is you need to switch your inner-thinking so it is working exclusively in a visual way. Speed-reading aside, when we read to ourselves we have this inner voice which reads the words. This voice is probably what you are listening to within your own mind, right now as you read this.

Also, when we think to ourselves in an everyday sense we tend to use this same inner voice. Like, you may think, "Hmm, I've got 30 minutes before I meet my next client, so I'll go and fill the car with petrol and pick-up something to eat on the way back." Thinking that way uses that same inner-voice... which must be silent.

Then you quietly and passively observe what happens next.

When I say "quietly" I mean observe without having that inner-voice comment on anything you may perceive.

When I say "passively" I mean avoid reacting in any way to anything you may perceive.

Both the above I realise are a tad tricky to do. The good news is it all comes good with practice. At first, what will probably happen is you might perceive some kind of vague, fleeting image. At which point your inner-voice will chirp-up saying, "What was that?" or it might make some other comment. Perhaps it may comment in recognition that you are making progress.

Problem is, as it does so, it tends to send you a step back each time. Unfortunately, you can get caught in a self-defeating loop: where you take one step forward, your inner voice recognises you just took a step forward and comments to that effect, and the act of it doing so takes you one step back to where you were before.

Or you might perceive something and react to it. You might get startled, or fearful, or such like. What used to happen to me all the time (which was most frustrating) is I'd perceive some image in mind and, the moment I did so, my physical eyes would try and snatch a glance at whatever it was. This, of course, zapped me right back to C1 each time.

Okay, so you are in a state where you are quietly and passively observing. Don't worry if nothing comes about. Simply curtail the session after your normal time and try again next session. Hopefully, what will soon happen is you will begin to perceive what may seem like fairly weird, totally abstract mental imagery.

Say you perceive some fleeting kind of something or other. Chances are you'll wonder if what you think you may have perceived is what you should be starting to perceive. Then you'll realise your inner voice has just made a comment. But the realisation of that was yet another comment. By which time you'll probably be right back where you started.

The key is to simply roll along with this mental imagery, without your inner voice commenting on it, or having your physical body reacting to it. This is the beginning of Phasing. You don't need any particular "technique" in order to project. You just need to set it going. Once the process gets underway everything happens more or less automatically.

If you can just quietly and passively observe the process you will end up within the Astral as awake and alert as you normally are while within the Physical.

Yours,
Frank


Final note:

One brief mention should be made that Frank, in many of the posts he made along the lines of Astral Phasing, made reference to "focus levels" (as I have in this thread). This is a derivative from the writings of Robert Monroe who first wrote in these terms. They are meant as reference points to certain states that generally most individuals experience. They are also meant as a guide and are not written in stone. Certainly everyone is different as are many of their experiences, however I for one have found an explanation of these so called focus levels to be quite useful.

[eeb]

Great explanation Major Tom, obviously you have the things very clear. I am going to try the approach you just described.

[FrostyRose]

Hello!

This topic is amazingly interesting. A few months ago I started having my first OBEs, and it was actually quite easy. I didn't really have any methods to achieve an OOBE, I would just come obsessed with the idea of having one, go to sleep during daytime and wake up to hear those humming sounds.
And sometimes, when I closed my eyes, I would see various sceneries, and quite often a white table with people seated around it. I didn't understand what this way, until now. Can phasing cause OOBEs?
I took a break from out of body experience, mainly because I turned scared and lost control. Now I'm having difficulties achieving one. Maybe phasing was my key to go out of body?

Thanks.

[FrostyRose]

Thank you for your wonderful reply MajorTom!

I never thought about it that way. Wow. It really feels like I had something wonderful, and lost it.
The reason why I went to sleep during daytime, was because I was less scared then. But later I was also pushed out of my body during nightime, this frightened me, and I stopped. I was quite depressed at that time.  
Perhaps it would be wise to try having an OBE when I'm not dead tired? Make time to take a nap in the middle of the day. I will keep trying!

[Nick]

Originally posted by Major Tom:

quote:Cause really, I can see no greater barrier to astral projecting than fear. That's why it is so important to first dissolve that fear, and be for prolonged periods in this state of awareness of reduced sensory perception.

Well said, Major Tom, and you are so right! The fear sometimes lies in the background, as if held in abeyance, until we are quite close and then rears its head.

I do like your descriptions of what is needed towards success in obe and phasing:

quote:"Focus 12 is a phase state with still less attention to the physial body and more movement into (M) field energy. With the continued lessening of physical sensory input, perception of M) field patterns becomes progressively clearer)."

So there is the baseline that I think everything would be wise to start with if wanting to practice phasing (or leave the body in conventional ways). Get to know these states very well until very comfortable with it. No need to do aythign else, since it will only add to the fear.

Once bored, and waiting for more to happen in these states, things will happen.

And also:

quote:One last comment. I have noticed some complaining about very easily being thrown out of these states when hearing noices and so forth. I think it's true that when seeing images or visions in these states, one will stop seeing them. However, that doesn't mean one has been thrown out of the state. Go back to the baseline to see where you are after you think you have lost the state - the extent of sensory reduction. Often, you will find you will be fully in it.

Great advice! By the way, if you ever decide to put together a short essay on this, please let me know. It would make a great addition to our File Library, and "sticky" topic too.


Very best,
Nick

[Adrian]

Greetings everyone,

We are indebted to Frank for his exceptional information regarding phasing based upon the TMI Wave 1 CD's in accordance with the thread of the same name.

I am sure it would help many people wishing to project if we could collect more true phasing methods of Astral projection.

Please post your phasing methods and experiences here.

Thank you.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Nick]

Excellent post, Major Tom, and a good description of the perceiving of non-physical energies:

Rather, you try to "see" a favorite image for only a very brief period of time as if it comes out of nowhere. You do not try to hold it either. If it's vague (like for example seeing a half-formed image of lake surrounded by mountains) then you do not try to make it more vivid. Rather, get on with the next one! That's it for that particular image and you move on to the next.The as if part is crucial, and the critical reader here will be aware that acting as if is the true meaning of the word imagination, which is an act intricately wound up with intent and self/world bounderies

and also:

Suffice to say, sooner or later, if you stick to this process you will really perceive a version of your favorite image. One that really did come out of nowhere! Expect to be surprised with the detail and beauty of these images. They may be snapshots at first, but once you have seen for example a tree that originates not from your mind, but from elsewhere,

One of the nice things about the early phasing process is when you begin to experience these detailed scenes that begin to appear. Once, early on,  a fantastic looking city appeared with surprisingly intricate detail and beauty.  It was clear, upon reflection, that this remarkable scene was outside of anything I could have initiated. At the time, it was for me a significant point along the way.

Thanks again,
Nick

[Nick]

Major Tom wrote:

Btw...not sure where my essay went, I think it's slowly disappearing in the astral consciousness forum.

It may have fallen victim to the forum changeover, I don't know. I tried a forum search but came up empty.  It's such a good essay and members could benefit from reading it. If you can make it available again let me know. I'll "sticky" it in the astral conciousness forum (or another forum if you prefer).


Very best,
Nick

[Mustardseed]

Hi Tom and Frank
I had a question.This afternoon I was attempting a exit, or phasing as you also prefer to call it (I am still a bit old fashioned I guess ) . I have been reading your comments and will describe try to describe it, to get your input.

After doing my usual energy work and relaxation exercises, I dozed off for a brief time, very brief, I had a small dream and suddenly became aware of my body on the bed again upon which the dream faded. I was left in a pretty deep trance, no body awareness a numbness and heard a few voices and sharp snaps to the right of my head. The swirling intensified and suddenly I started to see these strange signs. They looked like Chinese writing and they appeared as hypnotic images slowly almost in a frame slightly fuzzy at the edges. They kept coming at me slowly drifting toward me in a way.

I kept backing away from them just ever so gently to observe them better. There were signs as if written on a wall, then a landscape appeared and after that more lights and suddenly my wife (we are apart at the time) appeared before me, she sort of was cloudy at first and quickly took shape. I could observe her from her torso and up as she slowly walked towards me. The look on her face was one of absolute love and affection. The image became bigger and she slowly reached out for me and put an arm around my neck and kissed me gently with a big smile. The feeling was other worldly and very pleasant. At this point I got emotional and the image faded pretty fast. Then my alarm went off and I had to go to work. Normally the hypnotic imaging I have experienced have been only visual, but in this I actually felt her hand and she was aware it was me, and I felt her as she smiled and kissed me. Yet it was not a lucid dream, at least not as I know them, and the color swirling was still around the edges and as the image faded it slowly abated.

I know for a fact that at the precise time this happened she was meditating and praying for me, as I am in the middle of some big personal decisions.

For a while I have tried to project to her and have been mildly successful. One time I was able to stand outside her bedroom door, and some one came from an adjoining room and stopped startled and looked toward me. It was as if he saw something but still could not see me, he stood there for a full minute or so and left, after which the scene faded.

Are these experiences solely mine or could there be energies at play from her side as well, could she have projected in a way to me or could this be a sort of remote viewing of a kind.

We are very close, soul mates if you will but separated for personal reasons at this time.

What do you think?

Regards Mustardseed

[Mustardseed]

Thanks Tom
You know there is just something about your posts that feel .............different, familiar.......hey what do I know

Regards MS

[Frank]

"This afternoon I was attempting a exit, or phasing as you also prefer to call it"

There is no such thing as an "exit" with the Phasing approach.

Traditional obe constructs rest on the notion that "consciousness" somehow "leaves the body" and enters what is commonly called an "astral body". The whole process of which the traditionalists term "the exit".

I would argue the whole process of all that is the engagement of a belief construct and bears little relation the facts of the wider reality. Phasing is based on the notion that consciousness is never "in" the body in the first place; and that what we term to be the Physical is merely a particular Focus of Attention that we choose to adopt for the purposes of creating a physical experience, in the place we call here.

Phasing entertains the reality of there being 4 primary focuses of attention, or areas of consciousness, all of which we already occupy. This is the primary reason why there cannot possibly be any kind of "exit". Exit implies separation, the placing of a boundary between here and there. One of the foundation principles of Phasing is there is no separation or boundaries within consciousness (something which your god-friend I'm sure will be happy to confirm).

I could go on to explain much more, but I feel I have given sufficient to present an understanding that Phasing is not merely the adoption of different terminology that essentially describes the same actions in consciousness. Phasing is an entirely different model of consciousness that bears no relation whatsoever to the traditional mystical models.

In fact, it was my dissatisfaction with the traditional mystical models that caused me to define what I would say is an approach that is aligned to the reality of what actually exists in consciousness, but in a wider sense. So the Phasing model was born.

If you'd like to find out more regarding the wider reality then perhaps you might ask your god-friend. The person in question, from the sounds of it, is resident within the area I would describe (in accordance with the Phasing model) as Focus-4 of consciousness. In which case they should be able to tell you all about it. :)

Yours,
Frank

[Mustardseed]

Thank you Frank. Ha that is a very interesting idea, and I will ask the question at the earliest time possible. What I meant was merely to describe that I was attempting to Phase at the time, but to some would be called exit, only terminology. How does Robert see this theory by the way. After all he is the one who I personally first heard use the expression "exit", and he also writes extensively about it using this terminology?

I am starting to understand better the phasing concept, and so far it has been a very interesting ride. Fits very well with his attempt to explain Reincarnation, in his essay on the subject.

Don't know why I never thought of asking "my God friend" as you call it , sometimes the simplest solutions escape our attention. I wonder if we as humans are somehow conditioned by the mind to lay aside simple solutions in favor of the more complex ones. Ha

In any case my question remains. I have on several occasions been able to access or being accessed by my wife, though we are an ocean apart. Could this be telepathy, if so what focus would it be. I suppose I am looking for a down to earth "use" of the whole experience. The personal growth that it brings with it is obvious, but is there areas of this life, this awareness, in which the experience can be useful. I read Edgar Cayce and am very interested in healing etc. Where do you think this occur.

Another question is that I have on maybe a dozen times been approached by people I know in this life, who have told me their innermost secrets almost as if in therapy, maybe in focus 21, what Robert calls Astral sight. Very chocking experiences. Is it possible to help someone else while in this focus level, who is present in only the first focus levels, sort of a retrieval but with people who are all ready alive and active here.

Thanks for taking the time, its very much appreciated

Regards Mustardseed

[Frank]

Ha ha ha, you have the "main man" on tap and you are asking ME questions! LOL. Perhaps I should take that as an incredibly kind compliment. :)

Notions such as "exit" and "separation" are mystical constructs that people engage as an action in consciousness. Bob Bruce openly describes himself as a mystic, so it comes as no surprise that he incorporates these models in his thinking.

These actions are all very well, but the models of consciousness they represent do have particular limitations when it comes to incorporating the entirety of our system. These mystical models were formed based on people's understanding as existed at the times the models were formed. Bob Bruce openly admits to leaning heavily on the more Eastern mystical traditions when it comes to his presentation of a more general overview. Which again is not surprising as his speciality is more real-time zone and astral exploration in the traditional sense. Plus his healing work, of course.

But my background is strictly Monroe School, which is how it all began for me. Plus, I have absolutely no inherent religious bias, as my family did not engage any kind of religion at all and neither did I (I still don't in fact). I've since moved on from the Monroe model and developed the Phasing model. In doing so I have attempted to formulate a model of consciousness that fits as closely as possible to the actual structure of our system. In other words, I wanted to "fill in the blanks" so to speak, of the Monroe multi-focus model.

The traditional models have core differences to the Monroe and the Phasing models. As such, very little can be compared between them. F21 is not "astral sight" as you say. The two are radically different constructs. Astral sight is a construct that is related to the notion of a "third eye". I suppose to the early explorers, that is how it looked in an objective sense. But we don't actually have a "third eye". It's just a construct that came about from people forming a conclusion based on their objective viewing of a particular phenomenon. Like when people objectively viewed the sun moving around Earth. It was obvious to them that the sun revolved around us. After all, anyone could view the phenomenon for himself or herself... so it must be right!

Unfortunately, the traditional mystical models are riddled with these kinds of inherent mistakes in perception, caused by people having objectified the various phenomena; thinking that it must be right, because that's how it looked.

Regarding reincarnation, I have not read Bob Bruce's essay on the matter so it would not be right for me to comment. But I can say the Phasing model incorporates the notion of both Simultaneous-Time and Linear-Time frameworks. My stance is that from people's misunderstanding of the interaction between these two basic time frameworks, the religious notions of reincarnation came about (as I've looked at it all ways and can see no other reason).

All of which your god-friend should be able to clarify for you (along with the other bits and bobs you mention).

Yours,
Frank

[Mustardseed]

Hi Frank

Well I asked him and ....well you can read what he had to say. Besides being cryptic as usual he did seem to admit to something......maybe it makes sense to you, more than me. Ha. He also asked me to ask you about the bits and bobs as you call it. I guess you can read it yourself.

Regards Mustardseed