The Astral Pulse

Hello gang,

I have started this post so that we can have everyone's personal techniques all in one spot. Post what works for you and share it with the rest of the community. :)

Jen

Since no one replied... I'm gonna start it :)
Keep in mind that I am still trying to get out (it's been a yr now).

I start by laying down in my bed on my back.  I look at the ceiling for about 10 minutes.  I concentrate on the radom thoughts that are coming in my head.  After 10 minutes, I close my eyes and I get all thoughts out of my head.  i imagine my self falling in the dark.  I keep falling and falling.  eventualy the vibes hit and I imagine my self grabbing a rope on top of my bed and pulling....

So yeah, I use the rope technique to get out.

Entering the astral from a dream:

Most people don't realise this, but it takes several years of practice (for most people) to enter the astral straight through meditation (sometimes referred to as a "Fully Conscious Projection".) Instead, most people's projections are pulled from a dream (because you need to be relaxed to the point of sleep to have one). That is why I have posted the following technique in the Astral FAQ:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19319

I have had some good success recently with a combination of techniques.  I start with basic relaxation.  I do some concentration on my breathing.  I then try to feel that on my in breath I am expanding to fill the room and on my out breath I am shrinking to nothing.  After doing this for a while I will enter F10.  At this point I try to look straight up or straight down with my third eye, when I get a sense that I am projecting some sort of ray of awareness I move it up and down, left and right until one of the directions gives me solid exit sensations, eventually its like I pick up a radio signal to trigger projection with my antenna and I forget about my body and BAM I dissolve into F2.

The best thing that works for me is to simply lie down, get the mind as clear as possible and then breath and mentally count like this...

breath in......count
exale slowly
breath in......count
exale slowly
...

and continue counting like this:
1 to 10 back to 2
2 to 10 back to 3
3 to 10 back to 4
4 to 10 back to 5
5 to 10 back to 6
6 to 10 back to 7
7 to 10 back to 8
8 to 10 back to 9
9 to 10 back to 9
9 to 10 back to 8
8 to 10 back to 7
7 to 10 back to 6
6 to 10 back to 5
5 to 10 back to 4
4 to 10 back to 3
3 to 10 back to 2
2 to 10 back to 1

over and over as long as it takes  to get your mind so tired that it cant even think anymore, and when this happens just sit there and experience the "Now" and any quirky vibrations that may come of it.

practice this on a semi-regular basis and soon you will become more sensitive to the largely ignored strangeness you will come to know well :) enjoy!

not sure where I read it but I used something that was very useful last night.  I wrote a C on my right index finger and every time I would wake up or think to look at it I would.  I had 3 obes last night.  It worked so well I think I will do it tonight as well.

^i don't get it?????  explain please.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19400

thanks... Cool technique, will try it tonight :)

Here are some posted by Selski in the FAQ section:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18095

All of my projections started during afternoon naps. I'm not sure why. My theory is that there is a short window of opportunity between waking and sleeping in which you can make an exit. This window seems prolonged during naps.

Generally, when I make my exits, I've entering a state of quasi-dreaming, but haven't quite lost contact with my senses. I can still hear and feel my environment. If I'm still aware, I focus on synchronizing my escape with my breathing. As my chest rises, my astral body does as well. When my chest falls, my astral body maintains altitude. My astral body continues to rise with each inhalation. Gradually, a sense of warmth and weightlessness develops.  After several moments, my exit is complete. That's when I bumble/float around like a drunk idiot, get too excited, and wake up.

Quote from: tryptamineThat's when I bumble/float around like a drunk idiot, get too excited, and wake up.

Ha ha ha - I know that feeling!!

Sarah

It usually takes me about 5mins or less to put myself under the hypnogogic state to leave when I'm very relaxed. I've been able to time track this along with one time with video recording.

I'll wake up physically and back to bed, a trip to the bathroom during the night or setting the alarm clock to go off. I've found also naps are good place to start where the body needs to reset but the mind is definitely active at that time.

But during the initiation process I'll feel myself reaching or rolling off the bed and onto the floor. Sometimes, I will imagine this or I will awake in the hypnogogic state.

Hope this helps..

Tvos

well it's my first post here ...
I knew about astral projection 2 years ago and it's really interesting me but I don't know why, it seems like I'm not really motivated to AP (...?!)
I sometimes spend weeks trying to Astral Project every night and suddenly it feels like i'm "tired of it" (indeed I get very strong feelings when I try to do it!! I don't have these method problems, you know, like when you spend 15 minutes trying to AP but you don't know how)( I'm ABLE to astral project , I'm sure of it, but I don't have the patience)

... And about this post:
I don't know if I use the rope technique to AP, but it's something like this: I lay in my bed, (I never make relaxation exercises because I fall asleep!)
I close my eyes and try to get the same feeling that when I'm in an elevator, without visualising anything

I wonder if this can give some results?

It's really near to the rope technique. I tried to change the rope technique into something more familiar to me (I never climbed any rope, in my whole life)

Greetings

Teal'c,

Welcome to AP and its good to see that you've questions..:) Hopefully, I can offer some suggestions.

What you need to do is trick your body and your awareness. The best method I can suggest and will take some practice and patience is to set your alarm clock a good couple hours before you awake for the day.

Set the alarm clock to go off every 15 minutes for 1-2hours. This is the part that you'll have to be disciplined in and have patience. Its easy to just say "screw it" and turn off the alarm clock completely and go back to bed. During the 15min periods, while you fall back to sleep, imagine yourself like a log spinning around. What usually happens is that your lower physical consciousness transfers to your higher awareness causing the vibrations to occur.

There will be no mistake not knowing when the vibrations will hit. Just try to be as relaxed that you can and not to get excited. Since you are still rolling in circles, imagine your whole body rolling right out of the bed and onto the floor. Sometimes, this can be tricky and concerning because its questionable will the physical body truly land on the floor or the astral. Still there's that uncertainty, but time and time again I've had no problems with this.

Once you are on the floor and out of body - try to open your eyes slowly to get acclimated to the world around you. Take everything in baby steps and stay within the boundaries of your home or close to outside if you can. You'll crawl at first but after time it will become running for you and then flying.

Everyone has their own technique and not one is wrong - what works for some doesn't mean it will work for you. read as much that you can, exercise daily with talking to people in this forum, study different authors, and have fun....

Hope this helps

Tvos

hi this is a method i use in my daily life not only in what i call step one of a obe

it is to clearer your mind by mentally writing everything in your mind then mentally erase all those things you wrote  

i found it a vary hard method to learn because i am not the best one to come up with good training methods  but this is great for making your self forget something some one told you than just not doing what they asked if you are mad at them  :lol:  but that is off the subject

any way's if some one has something i could put this in effect with as in add to this to some other method to  achieve a projection that would be great

Quote from: chrishillit is to clearer your mind by mentally writing everything in your mind then mentally erase all those things you wrote  

Hey - that's good.  And if you wanted to be really thorough, you could literally write down on a piece of paper everything that is on your mind.  And then erase it all, or tear it into lots of little pieces and chuck it in the bin.

Hmmm, on the other hand, that might be too effective.  You could end up forgetting whole swathes of stuff...

Sarah

make sure that you shred the paper that you write everything down, otherwise you wouldn't want mental identity theft..:)

but I do like what you suggest. it is good to write what you are thinking, it does allow one to let out the thoughts, worries, cares and organize them.

i think the act of throwing it away is symbolic. starting a new, getting a fresh lease on starting over again..

tvos

I've never actually gotten out yet, but i came close a few times.

i have a clock in my room that ticks pretty slow, so i keep my breathing going at the same pace as the clock.  i visualize myself lifting up from my body with my body still laying there.  then i keep saying in my head "i am slowly lifting out of my body"

hasn't gotten me out yet, almost though.

I havent managed to get out yet either, but heres what it try: I lay down in bed on my back with palms facing up along side of my body. I breathe in for 5 seconds, hold it for 3 and exhale for 5. In through nose, out through mouth. I then on the inhale imagine im on a ladder, but dont move down the ladder until i get to the exhale, when i go down approx. 5 steps. i keep doing this and keep my eyes open just over the coveres a tiny bit, then it seems weird to try and close my eyes, because they feel resistent. I feel a tiny bit numb, but most of the time hardly anything happens. After a while of doing that i imagine a rope at my chest and i imagine me climbing up the rope in the same blackness that i imagined the ladder to be. After a while i stop, because nothing happens apart from i seem to twitch and move a bit while im climbing the ladder.

That sounds like a lot of work with the ladder but if it gets you out and there are results cool, go for it!

Either way you look at it, this boils down to mental/physical work. You have to kinda of let the process happen naturally with a mental carefree attitude.


Tvos

It seems like a lot of work ? Possibly why i cant project then, any tips on how i should "tone it down" ?

Xiaolin,

Everyone is different in their technique's and methods. To me that approach seems to be way out there. I understand the principles and objective, but never in my life I've tried using the rope technique. To some, my approach of using the trance state might sound complex, challenging to summon and difficult.

If I were you, read up on all the different methods, techniques and feel them out for yourself. What ever is comfortable to you and that results are positive, stick with that plan and develope it. Try a different technique each week and see what works and what doesn't. A lot of this is trial and error until you're in the clique.

Tvos

Hmm, ok man seems like a good idea, ill try that.

Sorry to double post but... what technique do you use tvos ? Ive seen your post, something about rolling out of your bed ?

Xiaolin,

Here's a few extracts from previous posts on AP that might give you some ideas and help you out.

Set an alarm clock to go off every 15mins and when you start to fall asleep imagine yourself rolling inside like a log. Once you feel the vibes come on, roll yourself out onto the floor.

The last 3 months(4/27 - 7/25) - I've been keeping track of my experiences and I believe this helps the overall picture. With keeping a journal what I eat during the day, time tracking of the experience, along with journal notes.

So far to date here's the breakdown

Conscious Astral Projection - 19
False Awakening - 4
Lucid Dream To Astral Projection - 2

I'm constantly mentally thinking of astral projection, reading, listening to the subliminal tape, talking with people on-line here at the astral pulse, mental affirmations to myself during the day, reciting, crystals, and acting out my intent, setting up experiments and with goals in mind.

This is what it takes for me to be successful at projections. Its a lot of mental/physical work and its paying off.

Hopefully, you can use this information to further your own studies and practices.

Tvos

Tvos, thanks alot for your very detailed responce, ill definitely give that a try.

Xiaolin,

Let me know if that helps you out and sets you straight. Feel free to email me anytime.

Tvos

Here is quote I wrote and pulled from the metaphysics forum.  I'm posting it here, maybe it would be of some help.

QuoteJames, you said that you never wear glasses when you meditate. Do you meditate with yours eyes open or closed?

The only reason I say this is because I know most people meditate sitting down with their eyes closed in a quiet room. I'm just using this as a generic description of meditation. In my meditation sessions I usually stand in the middle of the room and I have small tv stand/alter that I place a candle on and I stare into the flame. I have trained my self to meditate with eyes open. Even when I project astral and travel I use the aforesaid procedure. To go even farther I take a small radio and turn up the volume all the way. I've trained myself to block out my surroundings when I meditate or travel. I don't even notice the radio or anything else in the room for that matter.

Another method I do is I stare at myself in a mirror until it goes black. Once black I know I'm projected, but for me this method demands a little more concentration.

Maybe I'm more advanced than most, or maybe I've found what works for me.

Only in the most demanding situations of concentration do I sit and close my eyes.



"A wise man sees with his heart, not his eyes"

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OK, I just joined this site and wanted to post a method that works for me. I work at a freight dock and do a lot of heavy lifting for almost 14 hours a day nonstop which makes this method real easy. No charts, or drugs, or bar graphs, or pie diagrams, or any hoo-haa like that. Step one: one must become physically exhausted while mentally awake and alert (energy drinks do the trick nicely here). Weight training will do. I'm not just talking a little tired but to the point that one would put considerable conscious effort in not falling asleep on the spot. You'll know you're at this point when you move your astral limb and your body limb soon follows as if attached by rubber bands. From what I understand, your astral form and physical form is supposed to occupy the same time and space. When you reach the prime time point they're slightly off from each other. Almost like a bad trace drawing laid offset over the original drawing if that makes sense to you. Step two: this is the prime moment. Get in bed somewhere quiet alone comfortable and protected. I like to use a small fan blowing softly on the bed to give the feeling of floating in water  :) Anyways, from here on use any relaxation method you're most familiar with whilst staying off falling asleep. If it works you should be able to leave your body with simple ease.

Cowboy,

It sounds like sleep deprivation that you are performing. It is a good method to inducing oobe's, but also might be tiring and can cause your physical body damage. I think its important to have equal balance between the physical and astral for mental,health, and spiritual reasons.

Tvos

hi astral bodies

i m new to this forum and i don't know how to use this forum, i don't know even how to ask question and get answers but i m trying and here is my request  i don't know about focus 1-10 12-15 . what do we mean about focus and how can know about it. plz help me

thanks

http://www.onelight.com/astral/

the methods I use are at these pages

Quote from: deepurohillahi astral bodies

i m new to this forum and i don't know how to use this forum, i don't know even how to ask question and get answers but i m trying and here is my request  i don't know about focus 1-10 12-15 . what do we mean about focus and how can know about it. plz help me

thanks

Hi deepurohilla, and welcome.

Check out the Astral FAQ:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=46

There is a post in there which answers your question.

Best,

Jen

A technique that is described often in astral proj. books and has worked for me is while falling asleep at night (on nights youre not too exhausted), think about standing next to your bed.  Keep this thought on your mind , putting all other thoughts aside.  Continue to do this until you fall asleep.  You just may find yourself out.

Ive been trying to have an OBE for a couple of months. Its really easy for me get to the sleep/awake state. I could do it sense I was like 5, I just didnt know what it was really for, or what it was really called until recently. The only thing I cant do is get out. But do get to the tingle sensations or vibs i guess, i listen to Boxed NIrvane, and just visualize a square or keep telling my self Im Gonna Project lol.

Hi benrachor,

I use Hypnosis been using it for 8 years on my own then went to school for it and got Certified in the Advanced Level.

Glad I did, doing it on my own without the right training I found I was doing some techniques a little off lol.

Now for me I can use the newer techniques and go into Ultra Depth in 1 to 2 seconds.

Post Hypnotic Suggestions using words or sensations (sight, smell, touch, hearing or even taste) to go into trance. Or a KEYWORD

Yes, meditation can be done with eyes open and even standing up.  Meditation is only a Heighten State of Awareness.  Focusing one a single thought or idea or image.

When we put groups in hypnosis they to will not hear other sounds that are around them as they are in trance unless they allow it.

My 2 hypnosis scripts are posted in a website if anyone would like to try it?

It can be read by yourself as you record it or have another person read it to you.

Used it on my mother-in-law her first hypnosis session and I guided her into her first AP trip.

With the first session she accomplished her first astral.  I guide her half way to the moon then back above the earth.

When she opened her eyes she was surprised that she actually had one lol.

She Said the view was too beautiful to come back lol.

Frank (hypnotist1)

Though I haven't managed to separate as of yet, this is what I usually do.

Basically, relax myself, then straight in with climbing that rope, with every tug, I make a "huaa" sound in my head, and then I usually start chanting something like "I'm coming out I'm gonna kill the rope!!" you know, motivational stuff...so then I get to the vibration bit quickly. But then I get stuck, I can't get out, I keep climbing, and then eventually I get really stressed and just stop.

i think here is a good technique but i suggest you being in a relaxed state, the mantra LA RA SS not really sure if any one tried this on here but you just pronounce out the words like for LA is Law for RA is Raw and SS is like ssss, i havent tried this out yet but hopefully some one else can confirm this :) i think saying it out loud a few times and just keep saying it in your mind till the vibes hit or something good luck  :smile:

QuoteBasically, relax myself, then straight in with climbing that rope

Opera, you have to get to the trance state first before the rope climbing, because the motivational stuff and the effort can stress out your body and move, and that'll kill the projection.
other than that you're doing fine.

What I do: relax, energy work, and focus on a blank spot in front of my eyes until I feel I'm in trance- when I feel "loose" then I try an exit technique.  Of all I've tried the rope is what's worked.

It was only my first time using this technique, and my first time in general going for an OBE. In fact, it was my first night dealing with this stuff. When I used it I had 3 seperate "dreams", as I think they were. They were very VERY lucid and I ended up getting sleep paralysis for a few minutes.
I just breathed in deep for a good three seconds, and while inhaling I said:

                           "I will seperate from my body"
I then exhaled another three seconds and said:

                           "And I will remember everything"

After a good 15 minutes I felt vibrations and I felt myself actually going into a "dream". I was lying either next to my bed or on it, but my tv was in a different position. I was paralyzed in the "dream" so I couldn't look around. It just felt like a very comfortable matress underneath so it leads me to believe I was still in my bed and hadn't exited yet, but the tv in a different position really threw that off.

But it worked well for my first time doing ANY of this.

i think you had an obe since you felt the vibes

Um, about the "C" method or looking at your hands...
Would you think you could examine a ring of sorts??Ive got a pentagram ring, so would it help doing "reality" checks on that???

Thanx all ya
((((((((((((((((0))))))))))))))))))))

Its funny how its similar , because I done almost the same thing as xsgtpepper !

The first time I tried it , i gotten at the state of transe and I seen too my television at a different place. But I was viewing my chamber not from my Astral eyes but physic , they were like open.

this was my television at a totally different place that coulnt be putted there ... It would be impossible.
The channel was changing like the speed of my vibration  :smile:

I experienced 2 transe after that , one in normal self suggestion and one in Lucid Dreaming . But i can't get out yet . Hopefully i will get it soon.
But its just like 4 to 5 days Im into astral projection , so I got plenty of times.

Hello, i don't if this fits here but i will just spill it out here.

Althought i had never had a obe althought i am not sure i had lucid dreams but not that often.
Now however i am practising the F10 state.
And what i find usefull when i practice before i go to sleep, to place my arms above my head, and because i am not used to sleep this way it is very difficult for me to fall permanently asleep.
However i can relax with my arms this way so it does not interfere with the process.

It is not much of a technique but perhaps it may help some.

Much luck :grin:

Astraluminated

where do you see the F*something* state ?

Hello Sepultura123,

To answer your question, the F10 state of consciousness is very clearly explained in the Permanent astral topics section, It made me really understand it and with it i was not a failure at astral projection.

Hope You'll learn something from it to.

Bye

Thank you I never checked this part of the board I will check it tommorow because I go sleep in a couple of minutes.

Thanks again...

I astral projected for the second time, on accident.  While visualizing a rubik's cube in my head just for fun, it happened.  It's really hard to visualize what happens when you twist and turn that darn cube.  I guess the stress made me project.  Also the fact that I did not want to move because my girlfriend was hugging me while sleeping, and I didn't want to wake her up could of influenced the projecting as well.

Well anyways I freaked out because I had forgotten about projecting and thought I was deaf because I could not hear anything, so I woke back up.

It would be great to see your girlfriend after astral project and try to go in contact. Maybe you can go in his dream if you think about getting in his head  :lol:

i've heard of some people actually using magnets. like tying them from the ceiling. i dont know if this would work- but ive read a few places that your astral body can be highly sensitive to magnets.

It look like a brillant idea... but I dont think astral body is sensitive to magnet if yes , not in the same way as in our world.

Spiritual growth and enlightenment, there you will find answers to all you will ever need, plus A.P psychic abilty are an easely ataind by product.

Best  Marcus x

QuoteCereal-N-Milk : Ive been trying to have an OBE for a couple of months. Its really easy for me get to the sleep/awake state. I could do it sense I was like 5, I just didnt know what it was really for, or what it was really called until recently. The only thing I cant do is get out. But do get to the tingle sensations or vibs i guess, i listen to Boxed NIrvane, and just visualize a square or keep telling my self Im Gonna Project lol.

I usually find it very easy to get to the sleep/awake/sensations stage too. I get it quite often without even trying or wanting to get to that state. From there to get out of my body I concentrate on the sensations which are often really strong, almost overwhelming. I then try to get out of bed..as I usually would if I was awake. In fact I try not even to think about the fact that its my astral body I want to get up and not my physical body. I try really hard to get my physical body out of bed and usually, providing I'm still feeling the sensations really strongly it is my astral body that gets up.

I can sometimes also project through one of my chakras. Once feeling the sensations I concentrate on one of my chakras..usually my heart or solar plexus. I continue to concentrate and the sensations build up a lot on that chakra..to the point where it almost unbearable. Once its got to that intensity I usually visualize myself standing by my bed and then I kind of spring out of my chakra. This feeling is very intense and I often feel a kind of pain around the chakra on my astral body...its not pain exactly but almost and I also feel a kind of resistance..its much harder for me to move when projected through my heart chakra. I'm not going to try it again anytime soon, it was far too intense and draining afterwards for me.:shock:

If I plan previously to project, I get up on first waking (usually at 5am ish) and go to the toilet. I then lie back down (ensuring I lie on my back, not side).. and attempt to go back to sleep and not long after that the sensations come into play and I use one of the two above methods to get out.

much love xx

Most people don't realise this, but it takes several years of practice (for most people) to enter the astral straight through meditation (sometimes referred to as a "Fully Conscious Projection".)

Why is this?

Quote from: DonalMost people don't realise this, but it takes several years of practice (for most people) to enter the astral straight through meditation (sometimes referred to as a "Fully Conscious Projection".)

Why is this?

Because it's pretty damn hard to do!

Yes, but for what reasons is it?

My inexpert opinion is that successful OB projectors are people that (like me) are light sleepers and are prone to sleep paralysis.  I believe that people that are deep sleepers have more trouble staying at the 'body asleep/mind awake' long enough to be able to be conscious of any separation that may be happening.  But people who half/wake with any stimulus (like me) and are prone to sleep paralysis (which technically is a body asleep mind awake state, only naturally induced by the brain,[I suppose]) tend to be 'awake' for the event, and then can remember and report it, giving it enough familiarity to be able to repeat it. But that's just my unproven theory.

I believe that control of breathing (ie slowing it down) is one of the most important aspects relating to my ability to project. I can usually enter some kind of light trance after 10 minutes of reducing the rate of my breathing. However, having said this, please please be careful, I am sure there must be some risks involved.

 after this, I have to admit to loving mr bruces rope technique, a technique I used to advocate when I used to post here before.


                                          Lysaer.

Hm...
I think I'm having trouble with getting to the vibration stage. I know I could get out if I'd get to that point, but I have trouble reaching it. I end up falling asleep I think.
Either way, I've tried setting my alarm clock for like 15 min later but the problem is that I have to re-set it every 15 minutes and I always end up waking up however long later with my alarm off. I don't remember shutting it off... I don't think the alarm clock thing would work for me.
Any tips on getting to the vibrations stage? I get a strong feeling I'd be good at the rest, but it's like I'm not even being given a chance here.

Quote from: knightlightnot sure where I read it but I used something that was very useful last night.  I wrote a C on my right index finger and every time I would wake up or think to look at it I would.  I had 3 obes last night.  It worked so well I think I will do it tonight as well.

dude i read that link you had with The C on the index finger method

Yo That Is Genius     i tried a method like that i used paper
and i drew a large triangle
it almost worked    i got out my bed and was about to go through the sliding glass doors in my room   but when i tried to do that    then window started bending and i was afraid it was gonna shatter and cut me up real good       yo i'm trying this tonight
thanks for sharing  KnightLight :cool:

Quote from: CFTravelerMy inexpert opinion is that successful OB projectors are people that (like me) are light sleepers and are prone to sleep paralysis. I believe that people that are deep sleepers have more trouble staying at the 'body asleep/mind awake' long enough to be able to be conscious of any separation that may be happening. But people who half/wake with any stimulus (like me) and are prone to sleep paralysis (which technically is a body asleep mind awake state, only naturally induced by the brain,[I suppose]) tend to be 'awake' for the event, and then can remember and report it, giving it enough familiarity to be able to repeat it. But that's just my unproven theory.

You just explained me exactly. Ive been spiritual since birth, I was born with some knowledge of my rebirth, but its only been a few months since my reality shattering epitome. I think it was due to the astral. I keep having this urge to spill everything I know (I was told to even). But this isnt the place. Anyways, on the subject of AP.. First of all I guess you could call me a light sleeper, as in I know everything that is going on while I sleep. Even with my eyes closed I know. At boarding school my friends decided to wake me up by dumping water on my head while I was asleep. As the water was in the air I dodged it with my eyes closed, I didnt get a drop on me (and they kinda freaked) :roll: . Another time I was sleeping and a friend sneaked up to my window silently and looked in at me for some reason, I snapped my eyes open directly at his, he pretty much died of fright :lol:. Oftentimes I go to sleep thinking of something and come aware again in the middle of a sentence.
I've had quite a few experiences with sleep paralysis, it was a horrifying experience for me before my epitome. Infact the last time I had It I had an OBE where I embodied the form of a black spectre, flew across the house, and tried to knock down my own door attempting to scare myself to death lol. The door definitely rattled, but it was possibly something else. Its very funny now but it was the most terrifying thing that ever happened to me by a hundred fold then (maneating Grizzlies dont come close).
Other than that my most intense OBE/AP was when I was (of course) laying in bed. I was pondering something while mostly asleep when I (not very seriously) thought 'I know enough.' I willed my spirit to levitate (something I sometimes do just for exercise) normally it doesnt do much but this time I could distinctly feel myself leaving my body. I was somewhere between my body and 4 feet above it when I freaked out. I thought I was dieing. I thought god was teaching me a lesson in arrogance and was bringing me in, I said(in my mind) 'I didnt mean it, please dont take me, I have alot to learn' and I snapped back to my body. Im still a little afraid to use the levitation technique because I havent seen anyone say theyve tried it. Ive heard of people taking thier ethereal bodies with thier astral before, but that sounds very dangerous. Im not afraid to die but I still have alot to discover and I dont want to start over again.

Also, this might blow you guys away but I found you dont have to be quasi asleep to leave your body partially. Along with the levitation exercise I also try to move out of my hand, you know when you do it because you cant feel your physical hand. I came about that idea because once I accidentally 'moved out' of my hand, both me and my friend saw it, I was embarrassed and he just stood there paralyzed with his mouth open unable to say anything. Not every day you see your friend with an extra forearm I guess :shock: Dont expect other people be able to see it regularly thought, that particular time took a huge amount of energy, I felt like I had been electrocuted. But anyways the point of my post was going to be if you think Im a candidate for AP with my seemingly light sleep pattern, being that AP takes place in deep sleep.

I forgot having posted that.  :smile:   The part about separating without paralysis: Wow!  Something like that happened to me while awake only one time in my life, and I thought I was having some sort of seizure.  You must definitely have talent for AP if you could do that.  Was your friend 'sensitive'?  You know, does he see ghosts or other type of phenomena? (About Alaskans>'s quote)

I wish I could explain it more but It was a spontaneous accident when it happened visually. I can tell you it was before I ever read up on anything 'paranormal.' I felt my energy and I knew I was sent back to earth, thats it. It does make me wonder if you really have to be sleeping to leave your body though, at least partially.

Hey Alaskans, I had a similar experience once..

I had my astral finger "out" while I was fully awake. It just came out of my physical finger. Both fingers looked just the same.

Freaked me out a bit..even when I knew I was going to see something cool..

-Pete

Glad to hear im not the only one  :grin:  I'm having trouble moving my energy out lately though. (Exept for my head chakras). I think its because I used to be really clumsy and could 'move out' pretty easy (its also when I accidentally had an obe). But I told my subconcious to be more agile, immediatly I began to see results, now I have acrobatic coordination (I can jump 5 feet between 2/2 poles, and I never practiced  :shock: ). I cant prove its related, but I think focusing on being in tune with my body stunted my ability to move my astral body out. I have to be in the deepest sleep stage to even try. Are there martial artists who can OBE?

This is something I also have thought about. I have great difficulty to get anywhere with these practises. I was able to lift myself up when I was 10, but now it seems I can't get anything done.

I have a very good coordination and I am athletic, so could that mean that I'm very much "in sync" with my body and that means it takes a very relaxed state to get out(which seems I can't get to). So could it be that I'm sort of glued to my body harder than some of you who can get out easily.

-Pete

I can astral project whether i'm awake or tired, i guess that's down to experience. But lately i've been doing it much more then usual and my physical ability has dropped dramatically. however when i have a break from astral projection i become more efficient in physical tasks. I strongly believe it is all related. If your focus is on the spiritual your physical ability will suffer for it and vice versa...

loppoppy ,

I understand what you mean about how one of the other will suffer because of constant focus. This is why its good to incorporate a diet to balence out time efficiency with physical and astral.

Tvos

Definatly something thats good to know about. My coordination has been noticably dropping since I started gearing for obe, I think it will be a pretty good tradeoff though.

yeah, like anything in life its balence, which is the key... i've noticed a few things in my life fall off the deep end because of projecting and spending so much energy, but this is not hurting anyone or causing problems.. but if OBEs started causing problems at work, home family life etc.. then I would have to re-evaulate.

tvos

Quote from: Soltis on May 01, 2006, 01:19:35
Hm...
I think I'm having trouble with getting to the vibration stage. I know I could get out if I'd get to that point, but I have trouble reaching it. I end up falling asleep I think.
Either way, I've tried setting my alarm clock for like 15 min later but the problem is that I have to re-set it every 15 minutes and I always end up waking up however long later with my alarm off. I don't remember shutting it off... I don't think the alarm clock thing would work for me.
Any tips on getting to the vibrations stage? I get a strong feeling I'd be good at the rest, but it's like I'm not even being given a chance here.

Same here mate, I've heard a ringing sound in my ears once, a fair while ago, but other than that I've never gotten the vibrations and I've been trying every now and then for the past year.
I can't keep trying all the time, because I don't have time and frankly it isn't very rewarding because nothing ever happens   :-(

i think if you're having problems reaching the vibrational state, try and switch to lucid dream projections to obe's. if i had to depend on lucid dream to a obe as a measure to project as a living, i would be poor.

the one thing that i will point out is that many people expect to fall into sleep and the vibrations occur that results in a obe. from my own personal experiences, normally, i fall into sleep, the body completely relaxed and resting then i snap back to conscious awareness in the trance state. i am then able to bring on the vibrations and leave the body at will. this occurs within the first 15-20mins of sleep.

during the night,  set your alarm clock to go off at random times. when you drift off, imagine yourself spinning around in circles or feel the vibrations flow thru your body.

tvos

For members who are using this forum to learn a method of exit, you must understand that what will work best for you is the most COMFORTABLE method of exit. After effort is invested you will eventually become programed to be aware during OBE's. While most of us can agree that OBE's are in fact REAL, it is important to realize that our experiences are completely subjective.

A trance state and deep physical relaxation are imperative in OBE's.  It is however my oppinion that the main problem with OBE's arises in MEMORY. OBE's are natural.  Most of us are just so deep in sleep that we are not aware we are having one. For example, dreams are slippery if not documented. A very important aspect of OBE experiences is raising energy. This becomes extremely vital in higher level projections, above the astral plane. I'll try to explain. Your mind works at only 24 frames per second.  If a strobe light is flashing faster than 24 times per second our mind only recognizes it as a single stream of light. OBE's involve a shifting of consciousness from level of existence (3rd dimension) to the astral. Your mind is not able to compute the instantaneous nature of the astral realm. This is why trance is so imperative to CONSCIOUS exit. You need to have a particular frequency of consciousness to experience levels higher than the physical realm.

So how do you work on obtaining a higher level of energy? This involves exercising your bioenergetic body. Major and minor chakras etc. Developing these formerly "undertrained muscles" will greatly assist in OBE remembrance and spontaneous experience. I cannot emphasize enough how important your energy body is in Astral Projection. The margin is really drawn in to the seriousness of the projector.

Don't hestitate to ask for me to clear anything up, or ask for more information on anything mentioned.

-Awakened_Mind

Hi,

you obviously have a lot of experience with OBE, could you please tell me how to stop it.
I'm sure it is an amazing thing when you have control, but i don't and it freaks me out.
Thank you for help.

C

How to stop an OBE? I have never really investigated how to stop them from occuring to be honest. If you don't want to happen and it keeps occuring I would advise you to accept that you may be a natural projector.

What happens that scares you?

-Awakened_Mind

Crescent24,

Back in the day when I projected (almost everyday) I needed to take a break from OBE'ing, not because I was nervous, or feared it. But because I had to focus on physical earthly issue's like getting my degree, work, and love.

It was VERY hard to stop projecting and when I didn't want to it happened anyways. What helped me get thru it is prayer, sometimes a little alcohol (one beer or two) and not over doing it. Relaxing the mind, intent, and focusing on sleep, then projecting.

Another useful tip during the day  you can try is a real good hard work out. Also, get up earlier then normal, stay up, no naps and then go to bed when you are scheduled. Normally, the physical body will be so tired that you will skip over the trance state and land directly into the dream.

Now, changing gears. What freaks  you out about projecting? Would it be the vibrations, sleep paralysis|, flying, looking back at your body, voices speaking into your ear during the exit?

I would imagine that these would be the key factor of fear for you? Before I go any further, please share so that I can help.

You can also visit my web site www.invisiblelight.us to learn more about my experiences, scarry and beauty, scientific, video, technique that can help.

Tvos

This method helps me a lot to disasociate my astral body from the physical one.

It is quite based on the NEW technique and I found it by chance, and it is a modification of the rebouncing exercise.

Just imagine a sheet of energy (sort of a plane) that goes through your neck up the top of your head and then it goes down again till your throat (so to explain more visually, take a piece of paper and put on top of your head and it it would be a "bonnet", then imagine it going down through you; or as it is seen in sci-fi movies, like a scanner passing up and down your head). Repeat this yo-yo movement till you start to feel dizzy, the separation will start to happen.

The trick, as in new, is to be mentally calm and shut and just to feel the energy sheet up and down, so you feel its passing through your head.

I've even felt nausea occasionally, but it's a bit weird it to happen.

I've never felt nausea or difficulty breathing during the trance / vibrational state. At times, after the vibrations start to go away and I immediately wake up, I can still feel the ackwardness between the two bodies realigning.

never a less, cool technique Andonitxo.

tvos

New to the site, thought I'd share my style.

I have never been able to get out, but twice I have opened my eyes while in trance state I guess?? im not sure. The first time was my Tv was right in front of me when I opened my eyes and the picture was just snowy but i could see the tv set clearly.  Opened and closed my eyes and the same image appeared then i realized I had to be in trance.  Second time was laying in bed I opened my eyes and saw the sky.  As though the roof had been completely ripped off of the house, blue sky white clouds, double looked again and then lost it.  Not sure if those 2 qualify as being the start of an OBE or Lucid Dream?? Any Insight??

The method I started recently using has been similar to the one rikter mentioned on page 5.  Ive done research on a condition called tinnitus (which is where you can pick up frequencies from the air, low pitched hums or a high pitched rings.  Mine are mostly noticable with a tv on and muted.  Other times is just when im laying silent they come and go in different pitches.  I like the tv the best because its consistant and puts out a high frequency that I use and focus on till my mind is relaxed.  I try to pull the highest tone out of all the ones that I hear and focus on changing the pitch to as high as I can.  When I know im close to something I can feel my feet tingle.  Last night i felt my feet tingle and then my lower body went numb.  Got excited and lost it again, Each time keeps getting more and more exciting. 

Every now and again, throughout the course of the past decade or so, I will get a sudden impulse to begin anew with my attempts to astral project.  I have thus far never had a successful conscious exit.  I have, however, had many succesful experiments with lucid dreaming over the years.  Some of these dreams would be very lengthy and very detailed as well.  In the morning I will usually have little difficulty remembering even the most seemingly insignificant aspects of the dream.  I imagine that some of these dreams may have actually been projections?

Anyhow, recently there has been yet another upsurge in my life of astral experimentation.  About two weeks ago I had the following experience.  I "woke up" to the sound of my step father calling me.  I didn't want him to know that I was awake because I wanted to stay in bed a bit longer and was in no hurry to get up and begin raking the leaves outside!  As I lay there I heard him say quietly to my mother, "He's still sleeping".  After I heard him walk away I opened my eyes.  Everything looked as it normally does in the room that I was spending the night in.  I went to lift my arm and it felt as though I was lifting it through air as thick as honey!  My hand and arm looked as though it was in stop motion.  I could see that it was breaking up into multiple hands, one following the other as it moved.  Then suddenly I heard an extremely loud buzzing sound.  It sounded like electronic bees.  I could not locate the source of the sound.  Then I began to hear all sorts of other horrifying noises that sounded like clanking metal.

I became very excited at the prospect that I was about to have my first conscious out of body experience!  I tried rolling over and in doing so fell directly onto the floor.  The room looked as it usually does but seemed like it was full of some sort of strange energy.  I could see all sorts of string-like waves all around that seemed to be attached to me.  I crawled a short distance and then lay flat on my back.  I didn't look back at the couch in order to verify that I was out of my body.  My assumption was that I had simply fallen onto the floor physically.  As I lay there attempting to project, I suddenly heard a strange loud noise like clapping.  The sound startled me into waking up and I found that I was still on the couch!  Terrified!  Words cannot describe the sheer terror that I was feeling at this time.  I was certain that anything could happen at any moment and the laws of physics and reason would no longer remain firmly in place!

What happened?

one technique i use is simply trying to go to sleep in a position I hate and wouldn't want to go to sleep in to get into paralysis.  once im paralyzed and aware i then try to astral project.  Problem is that everytime i feel the vibrations and actually start leaving, I get nervous and say ok thats enough, stop.  The next time I try, I will  go through with it and then record my experiences.  My worst position is lying on my stomach, works like a charm.  Hopes this helps anyone

Quote from: Ssilent on November 14, 2006, 01:45:31
one technique i use is simply trying to go to sleep in a position I hate and wouldn't want to go to sleep in to get into paralysis.  once im paralyzed and aware i then try to astral project.  Problem is that everytime i feel the vibrations and actually start leaving, I get nervous and say ok thats enough, stop.  The next time I try, I will  go through with it and then record my experiences.  My worst position is lying on my stomach, works like a charm.  Hopes this helps anyone

Very interesting. Do you get sleep paralysis sometimes anyway, without sleeping in an uncomfortable position? I'm asking because I don't, so I was just wondering if it would still work for me, even though I don't have sleep paralysis in a regular position.

Quote from: Cowboy on September 08, 2005, 23:09:15
...I'm not just talking a little tired but to the point that one would put considerable conscious effort in not falling asleep on the spot. You'll know you're at this point when you move your astral limb and your body limb soon follows as if attached by rubber bands. From what I understand, your astral form and physical form is supposed to occupy the same time and space. When you reach the prime time point they're slightly off from each other. Almost like a bad trace drawing laid offset over the original drawing if that makes sense to you...

Hmm, I have been wondering something: Does this mean that people like quadrapeligics who are physically paralized all the time can easily exit their body without having to be in a trance?

This is moreso a technique to induce a trance than for projecting.

This is just from my experience, but whenever I try to sleep durring the daytime, or when there is a very bright light in the room, there is a hugely greater chance that I'll find myself in a concious trance. I slept with my light on in my bedroom until I was around 11, and so I've found myself paralized too many times to count. In fact, every time I find myself paralized, I can see the room around me. Maybe the light causes my eyes to open, or its the third eye. Unfortunately, now that I sleep with almost no light in the room, (which I might change) I never experience wake paralysis unless I am reminded of somehting I need to do before I sleep.
I think the light stimulates a chain reaction in the brain which might be why I can bring myself into alertness while asleep. It's just a theory.

Try going to sleep with the light on tonight, and I think that if you fall asleep the light will eventually irritate you enough to wake you up ever so slightly to bring you into a trance, where you can then OBE.

Hmm, I tried it. I turned on two lights, and one was a lamp which I shined directly in my face. It didn't work -- it took me an hour and a half to fall asleep, and when I did wake up, the light was so annoying that it woke me up almost instantly, not allowing a transition for wake paralysis.

I think the key is to have the correct level of brightness in the room, or "annoyance" to allow slow waking, but enough to keep yourself from sleeping through it.

Quote from: Dragon #103 on December 29, 2006, 18:55:58
Hmm, I have been wondering something: Does this mean that people like quadrapeligics who are physically paralized all the time can easily exit their body without having to be in a trance?

That's a great question, I'd like to know the answer to that myself!

Quote from: Kodemaster on June 09, 2005, 19:09:50
Hello gang,

I have started this post so that we can have everyone's personal techniques all in one spot. Post what works for you and share it with the rest of the community. :)

Jen

Chant this mantra while in a lucid dream according to jonathan nassaw, to have an obe or 10 simultaneous dreams that possibly will be shared with people you know:

Gaom-Raom-Om-bour-bu-mama-papa

BRIEF MIND PROJECTION

This technique revolves around the basic idea of a spontaneous projection. Throughout the night, as the sleep cycles end and repeat themselves there is a brief moment of consciousness which nearly resembles that during waking life. With enough subconscious enforcement, the mind can learn to take advantage of this state. If you can build the intention of out of body travel strong enough within your subconscious, your mind can take focus during the brief moment in between sleep cycles. Your body will already be relaxed and at the border of deep trance and the exit can happen within seconds of this realisation.

I use a simple technique that requires no stilling of the mind or visualization (too lazy for that)

All I do is focus my attention on a highpitch whistle in my head, as time goes by it becomes louder (no effort)

I relax, stare at my innervision and contemplate on how safe I'll be and what it is I want to do, or where I'd like to go.

After a while I can sense my physicall body falling asleep, I start to buzz... (what a rush)

A lifelike picture forms, it becomes bigger and pop, I'm there. I do a lot of space flying.

I normally ask my Divine Mother or Father to take me where I need to be, I then do my superman thingy (transporter with me)   

I chat to my guide, whenever she feels like responding to my call (once I caught her sunbathing)

My technique:  :|
*Sorry if this is a repost in any way, lol, thread is thick and I'm lazy.
This is for getting into the "process" of going to have a projection.
1.Have a afternoon nap!
-works almost 90% for me to get into the "process", success rate not so good, im new but.. point is it pretty much like your on "preheat", like a oven basically your ready for whatever...if you follow what I am saying.... :?
-anytime during the day, maybe its 12 or maybe its 6
2. Usually when I wake up, I dont move at all, or get excited. I just focus on being paralyzed or feeling that way, in a way going back to sleep(which also sometimes works anyways), other methods work like not even focusing on anything, I'm sure your own ideas will work here also. 
*The rest is kind of blah blah
3. Usually once I do I'll hear the cool/scary noises, which pretty much sends me to the vibration state...
4. once you get there I guess your set to exit, but make sure the vibrations are fairly strong, if not focus on increasing it.

****
requires a good amount of time, at most 1-3 hours free time, so its for you kids like me or weekends with not much to do. Although i usually go to bed late, and somewhat tired in the first place, I sleep some times for about 6 hours at nighttime. Also naps are good before you go to a party  :evil: , Team Rowdy, woooooooo. :lol:

Quote from: Clinton on March 31, 2007, 10:12:32
I use a simple technique that requires no stilling of the mind or visualization (too lazy for that)

All I do is focus my attention on a highpitch whistle in my head, as time goes by it becomes louder (no effort)

I relax, stare at my innervision and contemplate on how safe I'll be and what it is I want to do, or where I'd like to go.

After a while I can sense my physicall body falling asleep, I start to buzz... (what a rush)

A lifelike picture forms, it becomes bigger and pop, I'm there. I do a lot of space flying.

I normally ask my Divine Mother or Father to take me where I need to be, I then do my superman thingy (transporter with me)   

I chat to my guide, whenever she feels like responding to my call (once I caught her sunbathing)

This sounds like you have a good method, relaxation is the key anyway. and you caught your guide sunbathing - thats great haha!

Quote from: lily moonsong on January 18, 2007, 12:44:20
Chant this mantra while in a lucid dream according to jonathan nassaw, to have an obe or 10 simultaneous dreams that possibly will be shared with people you know:

Gaom-Raom-Om-bour-bu-mama-papa

Would love to have an audio clip of this being done correctly...can never "read" these things the way they are supposed to be spoken....

This is what I use to get to the hypnogagic state quickly, so I suppose it would come in handy when using the phasing technique.

I lay down on my bed, and look at my ceiling. I start breathing very slow and very deep, as soon as I am accustomed to the slower breathing, I start to breath in six seconds, hold it for six second, and then breath out for six seconds. I didn't pay much attention to breathing exercises stated by others though, because I just tried to find the most comfortable for me, and it works way better.

Remember holding your breath too long for comfort can be damaging, so it can be anywhere from three to six (or even more if you like).

As I am doing that (still looking at the ceiling in my dim lit room) my sight starts to fade out of focus, and eventually my eyes will want to close. As soon as I feel that, I close my eyes and stop my breathing exercises, but continue to breath slowly, and I continue to breath 'manually'. Which means you have to really feel the breath entering and leaving your lungs.

I then shift my focus to my body, and make it feel like it is getting heavier every second. I can actually feel it getting heavier. When I feel that I've reached the max (can't feel any heavier), I take the focus away from my body, and I notice I can now barely feel it.

This is when I attempt to see if I can float. I heard a lot of people talk about a technique, where you had to feel yourself above your body. I don't know about other people, but this was a near impossible task in the beginning. Sounds familiar? This is how I solved it.

I start knowing (yes knowing, don't attempt and don't visualize, know) that when I breath in, I go upwards, and when I breath out, I go downwards. Now you shouldn't think about how many inches you should go up or down, just know you will feel it. After a few breaths you will feel a slight movement. Keep at it, and before long you will feel yourself go upwards and downwards with every breath.

When you feel your 'movement' is steady, know that you every time you go a little higher. For example you rise 10 inches and go down 8 inches. You will then feel that indeed the downward movement will be a little shorter. When that is steady as well, feel that with every breath you are getting further out of your body. Remember, all the time you have to pay attention to your breathing, breath manually!

I can't say it will work well for others, but it has reduced the time it takes me to reach the hypnogagic state by 20 minutes!

Beyond this I cannot help, as I have yet to have my first OOBE. Good luck.

Lastly a short list to make it easier:

- Lay down eyes open, breath slowly.

- Once accustomed to the breathing, start breathing exercises that work well for you. Breath in X seconds, hold breath X seconds, breath out X seconds. See what works well for you.

- Once relaxed close your eyes, keep breathing manually, slowly and deep.

- Focus on your body, feel it getting heavy, to the point where you can't get it any heavier. Go slowly.

- Take focus away from your body. Know that with every inhale you go up, and with every exhale you go down. Nothing else should be on your mind. I found that if you say "rise up" "float down" to yourself, it's easier to not get distracted.

- When you've got a steady motion, know that you go up a little further then you come down. You should feel that the down motion is slightly shorter.

- When you feel that steady as well, now know that you are getting a little further away from your body with every breath. Nothing should distract you. I find myself thinking for instance "If I float up any further I'm at the ceiling" and thoughts like that. Try to keep them out, we don't have to mind the ceiling where we are heading (or walls for that matter :-D).

- Keep doing the previous step, and you will reach the hypnogagic state fast. I'm still figuring out what to do after that myself.

Quote from: french_hustler on June 09, 2005, 22:03:52
Since no one replied... I'm gonna start it :)
Keep in mind that I am still trying to get out (it's been a yr now).

I start by laying down in my bed on my back.  I look at the ceiling for about 10 minutes.  I concentrate on the radom thoughts that are coming in my head.  After 10 minutes, I close my eyes and I get all thoughts out of my head.  i imagine my self falling in the dark.  I keep falling and falling.  eventualy the vibes hit and I imagine my self grabbing a rope on top of my bed and pulling....

So yeah, I use the rope technique to get out.

You mean, you have to have a technique?  Ah man!
That rope technique sound good.
Seriously, I have tried that before and it did work.  But, it has gotten to the point that I don't need a technique.  I guess what led me to that point is trying different things.  The most successful is visioning myself as a surfer in Hawaii and everything around me is waves.  I don't even have to close my eyes and it happens quicker if I don't.  I just cannot be looking at anything until I'm on the wave.  Then when I get on the wave and I stand up on the surfboard and I rise above everything.  I don't know that it is actually true that when you do that you can appear to somebody else; I haven't got that power.  But, what I do is go anywhere that I have seen and it is in my memory. 
Now, a split-second way that I do 'go out' is just step out the back of my head and shoot straight up and go where I do.  What I do is study Google earth maps on my computer and that gives me a memory reference.  Of course, it helps if you have been living in the same city for about 42 years or more.  

The way i get to the astral plain, is i start with a simple meditation. I just close my eyes and close my third eye, so i don't see any energies. After i completed that i focus a small blue spot of energy in the middle of my forehead. After I've done that i release my spirit from my body and go through that blue spot. As I go through it, i enter astral.

Oh one other thing, I am actually from the astral plain ^^.

What i do to get the closet I have ever been to an OBE is that before i start i stand
In the place that i would like to start of at.. i stand there for a 1-3 minutes and see how it feels
to stand there. i Then go sit/lay down some where else. i Than close my eye and Do a Breathing
meditaion(inhale through the nose, exhale through the mouth). After that i Imagine(feel like type of imagining) i can Inhale and exhale thoughout my body. After all of that you should feel Totally relaxed 8-).
I dnt get Vibes so i cant tell you what to do if you get them(only time i had Them was when i go to the Dentist and i am given laughing gas[that was when i had my first ever OBE] and those vibes hurted kinda :cry:). Your entire body should be numb except for your chest(because of your breahting) and head. i than try to get the felling of gravity when you stand up and imagine your start off Place. If you try hard enough you should be able to transfer to the Start off area(Iv gotten there many times but get excited and mess up). when you get to the astral body you may not have sight, so you may have will your astral sight to happen if successful then you have done it! :-D

I noticed when I meditate I put to much effort into trying to project and would fail 90% of the time. So I just lay down and watch the show behind my eyes. I don't try to quiet my mind at all. I lay there without moving and my body feel extremely heavy. After about 30 minutes I get intense vibrations and hold on to them until they are no longer comfortable and then just sit up out of bed. My vibrations always start in my hands and I hear hemi-sync sound a lot of the time as well.

Quote from: knightlight on June 15, 2005, 16:04:10
not sure where I read it but I used something that was very useful last night.  I wrote a C on my right index finger and every time I would wake up or think to look at it I would.  I had 3 obes last night.  It worked so well I think I will do it tonight as well.

im new to the forum, and i was interested in that ''c'' method, but the link doesnt work, could i get more info?


thanks in advance

Quote from: akadrase on July 25, 2008, 22:39:12

im new to the forum, and i was interested in that ''c'' method, but the link doesnt work, could i get more info?
thanks in advance

It's a reality check.  The theory is, write on your hand, go to sleep, and when you wake into the dream, look at your hand.  If the c's not there, you know you're dreaming, and you can then change or escape the dream.
Of course, you have to remind yourself to check on your hand, preferably do it during the day to get used to it, in the hopes that you'll continue doing it with your dreaming mind.

Thank you, Ill try entering an obe through a lucid dream next time I have one!


THANKS AGAIN!!

I've been asked for mine; since I can't rewrite mine, I'll just post it again, with more detail.
1-Relaxation exercises, physical (progressive muscle relaxation) and mental- Color breathing. (Breath in different colors, breathe out whatever you like, change colors as you do it, or 'balloon breathing', which is breathing white in, black out.
2-More pranayama- that is, more 'directing the air' breathing exercises, maybe counting, do your own version of it.
3-Energy raising- the full-body circuit, (NEW) or the Microcosmic Orbit (eastern).  If you're so inclined, you can work on other more esoteric exercises, like Regardie's techniques.
4-Trance Techniques:  Usually the elevator thing, or the air balloon thing, mainly anything that makes you feel like you're going 'up.'  After a bit of that, do the opposite, like 'walking down steps counting', or the 'slowly falling leaf' visualization, or any other that makes you feel descent.
5-Energy body loosening- mainly offshoots of 'bounce' techniques, or meditative techs that exteriorize awareness.  There are many, google is your friend.
6- At this point you should be fairly tranced.  If not, repeat 4 or 5.
7- Go on to 'noticing'.  This is where you passively observe the blobs (or lack of them) in front of your eyes.  If the mind wants to chatter, let it for a short time, then actively silence it by dividing your attention between between the 'space' in front of your eyes and the earhiss you hear.  This tech was invented by a fellow named Birm (or something like that, and he called it the 'Triangle' tech.  I thought I had 'discovered' it until someone disabused me of that notion.  So hear hear, Birm.
At this point you should start to hear 'stuff', or see 'stuff'.  If so, you can prepare to phase or have an OBE.  If you are having some sort of symptom (vibes, visions) start working on an exit technique (there are many: Rope for vibes, waterski or 'rocking' for the sensation of movement, 'leaning' into or 'rollout' for slow movement- you decide.
If no dice, go back to trance techs and energy body loosening.
If phasing, 'lean into' the landscape that you are slowing down or making closer.

One of three things should happen.  You project, or you fall asleep, or you become awake.
If projection happens, give yourself a pat on the back.
If you fall asleep, change your schedule.
If you wake up, then you need to possibly change your schedule, or do longer relaxation and other preliminary stuff.

Good luck.

This may sound silly, but the best technique is need. If you actually need to do something that requires an OOBE to accomplish, you are far more likely to be successful than laying on your bed wishing and hoping.

Necessity also tends to bypass the ritualistic "techniques" that seem to go on endlessly with little or no effect. Unfortunately, OOBE is like a lot of other things--practicing failure is not a good way to succeed. Specifically, there seems to be little point in continuing to "practice" a technique or process that has been a failure for weeks, months, or hundreds of sessions. What, exactly, makes you believe that "today will be the day that it works" when it has failed dozens (or hundreds) of times before?

I know a number of people who are adept at OOBE. In nearly every case, the initial experience resulted from need, not desire--they needed to do something, be somewhere, learn something--impossible under ordinary circumstances. Of that group, not even one was able to achieve OOBE through ritualistic practice of techniques. Further, in years of associating with people who do OOBEs, I have never encountered even one who was able to develop the ability--they either had it or they didn't. If they had it, it could be developed, but if they didn't, all the training and practice in the world can produce little more than a subjective experience impossible to externally validate. Internal experiences are not OOBE.

In that sense, OOBE is a bit like remote viewing; as Joe McMoneagle observed, if a prospective remote viewer doesn't have the ability coming in the door, he or she is unlikely to have it walking out--regardless of how many hours of training and practice are involved.

Does that mean that only a realtively few may be capable of OOBE? I don't have a clue, but it would be an easy conclusion to reach, given the number of people who intensely desire to do it, and the relative few who succeed.

Well I think it really blows that Traynor's post is the last one in this thread so I'm posting.

I haven't had a controlled OBE and the two times I've gone OBE I was not using a technique, but I am certain that whatever I did can be replicated. The moment of slipping out is the big mystery for me. The closest I got to getting out consciously was when I first read JOTB by Monroe and I tried his technique for several nights then I had just nodded off and I woke up in the middle of the most intense vibrations I could ever imagine. It scared me beyond all words...And I'm sure that old fear has an effect on my ability to relax fully. I believe any one can do it and that if someone says only a few can then I say it's like trying to figure out how to ride a bicycle by reading a book about it, rather than being able to watch it and have someone show you how its done. Just because it is a tedious process doesn't mean you should give up unless you want to. I know plenty of people who have taught themselves to do this and I know some who do it naturally and are totally freaked out by it.

Just my two cents because I hated for this thread to end on a downer-- No offense intended, Traynor and I do agree with those who say if you are not ready it will not be given to you, at least not in a meaningful fashion, but I don't think it has to be a conscious need to learn that governs the process.

Yours,
Beau

I use a couple of techniques to get out.  First I will say that I have a floating problem.  Many OBEers try to float or fly or visualize getting lighter, I can't do that for whatever reason.   Even when out of body I can't "fly" easily, but I can bound or jump.  Its kind of like walking on a very low gravity planet or moon if you want to imagine that.

Because of this some of the techniques where you visualize floating up or rising don't work for me.  I eventually gave up on them after numerous failures.  Instead I use the following:

1.  Sinking/Lead technique - I've heard shamans use this method, though I have no other info on that than stories.  Its simple enough, once you get your body into a super relaxed state with mind awake, imagine yourself being very, very heavy.  Sink down through your body, the bed, the ground etc till out.   Works pretty well.   Though I have had a few experiences where I just kept sinking uncontrollably through I don't know how many layers of rock strata.   But usually once down I can redirect myself elsewhere easily and go from there.

2.  Rubber Band technique - Once again get into the relaxed body mind awake state.   Then I start gently pushing back and forth with the astral body "loosening" it.  The trick here is to do so without moving the physical body.   Each cycle I push a bit further out so that I'm "rubber banding" back and forth stretching the astral out of the physical and then bouncing back.  Eventually I pop out of the physical entirely.  This can be used with other techniques too.  Rubber band to "loosen", then use another technique to get out.  The rubber banding seems to make it easier to get out.

3.  Roll out technique - This is a standard which I first read about from Monroe's books.   Works but not always.

As for mental projections I've tried that method, but I can't always visualize (as in actually SEE see) where I want to go and thus can't "push forward" to get there.   So I have had limited success with that.   But I find if I can get out another way I can redirect myself to where I want to go once out anyway.

Also of note is that I find that I can get out using these techniques on the right side of my body.   So sink through the right side, or rubber band out of the right side, or roll out of the right side.  I have no idea why I have success on the right side, it feels to me like there is some kind of "hole" or negative space there, not sure how to describe it.  But I thought Id mention it as users might find that there is a particular direction that works better for them than simply going "out the front" or "top".

The technique I use is pretty simple for those used to the energy body. I will put numbers below on how and when you do each step.

1.Stay sitting up and focus on the energy in your hands don't force it just let it flow

2.Once the energy is in your hands focus on your elbows and then your shoulders

3.Focus on your neck then your head then your chest and then your stomach

4.Focus on your thighs then your legs and then your feet and each toe

the reason I brought this technique to the table is once you get better at it when you start focusing on just your hands.
Your whole body will begin resonating making it a lot easier for you to reach the vibrational state.

Happy Projecting!

Tell me if this helps you guys!

HOW TO ACHIEVE AN OUT-OF-THE-BODY EXPERIENCE

GETTING PRIMED FOR INDUCTION:

Wake up earlier than usual and keep active during the day. Have a nap or sleep in the evening when you are tired. Preferably, the nap or sleep should be dreamless. For example, you can nap for two hours in the evening and then stay awake for an hour and a half before induction, OR, you can go to bed late and sleep to wake up between 4am and 6am to induce. This doesn't have to be followed strictly but it may serve as an initial guide.

INDUCTION:

Relax:
Lie down comfortably and close your eyes. Your eyes are to remain closed throughout the induction. Relax as deeply as you can and take your time. Be patient and don't rush it. Make sure that you are not disturbed. There are many books about the various effective techniques you can use to acquire a deeply relaxed state, but, because you have biologically primed yourself for the experience, it should be fairly easy for you to do so without having to read up on it.

Focus on something:
It could be a mantra or a familiar object (the latter does not have to be visualised to perfection). Do this as you sense that you are drifting off to sleep or when your mind starts to wander. Keep bringing your mind back to focus whenever it gets 'lost'. Keep still and relaxed and do not fall asleep! Whatever you focus on will start to take a life of its own as you relax deeper and deeper. Focus on your 'something' until you reach the hypnogogic state (the state near-sleep).

The Hypnagogic State:
You will know that you have reached this state once its imagery or potential dreams begin to invade your point of focus. Being aware in this state is already an achievement. Prolong this state by passively watching its imagery, and then, slowly begin to clear your mind until you see nothing but blackness. When this happens you have gone beyond the hypnagogic state and are still conscious.

Sleep Paralysis / Vibrational State:
Remain still and relaxed. Let go of any worries relating to the physical body. The trick is to let your body 'switch off' as your mind is still very much awake. This may involve resisting any urges to move or scratch itches as the physical body sends signals to the brain in a test to determine whether the mind is asleep or awake. Your body will start to feel extremely heavy  and there will come a point where you will not be able to move it. Remain relaxed nonetheless and have no fear. Eventually you will lose all sensory input and only your thoughts will remain. Robert A. Monroe describes a technique for kick-starting vibrations in his book "Journeys Out of the Body" but they tend to occur naturally at this point. The vibrational state can be mild or strong. It can vary from mild tingling, warmth, and the sensation of low voltage electricity flowing through the body. Strange sounds are reported during this stage. Hissing that seems to pulse in your head, sparks, thunder-like sounds, rumbling, wind, electronic sounds, a person moaning (I have likened it to a woman giving birth), ocean waves, something like a train running, a helicopter etc. - people tend to describe the same thing in different ways but the state itself can vary too. It tends to peak before it gradually fades. Vibrations are strange but remain calm and don't analyse what is happening to you. Just act as a beholder or go with the flow. The level of sleep paralysis seems to determine the mode or type of experience you'll get or at least they appear to fit in with the classifications I've come up with according to certain distinctions I've made.

Separation:
You can try partial separation first as practice before attempting full separation. Partial separation is optional. There are many ways of achieving a successful disassociation from the physical body. Here's a couple of examples:
- Think that you are getting lighter and how nice it would be to float upwards. Alternatively, you can imagine that the ceiling above you is a huge magnet that counteracts gravity and pulls you upwards.
- You can slowly roll over and out of the body. Do this subtly and as though you are moving physically but without using muscles. It is best to start by rolling over from the head and the rest of the body will follow. This movement is not imagined, it is done with intent. Once out of body you will realise that you did not move physically, you moved incorporeally.

What happens next?
Once you are out, explore! Do not get overexcited and have no fear or doubt. Stay out for as long as you can and don't worry about getting back because you always do in the end. A variety of experiences are there for the taking and open to interpretation. From inter-dimensional travel, space exploration, alien encounters, meeting strange spiritual entities, visiting the living and the dead, time travel etc. etc. Remember: whatever the nature of your experience and however profound it may be for you, try to look at it from a viewpoint free of preconceived ideas. For instance, seeing a luminous being who starts singing the most beautiful melody you have ever heard does not mean that you have just met an angel. Consider both subjective and objective perspectives. Record your experiences in a journal. Feel free to carry out experiments of your own to try and determine the nature of your experiences for yourself.

Mode 1 OOBE:

Your awareness seemingly remains in the physical realm, or what could be interpreted as an accurate simulation of the waking world upon separation, and, therefore, is able to see the physical body (autoscopy experienced). Sometimes the colours of the physical world will appear strangely muted, as if the world is being observed through a faint mist, and other times the colours will be clear. Vision can be hard to describe here, almost mixed with a feel of the environment and appears somewhat different to vision in the waking state. You can obtain information in the physical realm which was previously unknown to you, or information of events which at the time you couldn't possibly have known about through your physical body. This statement, of course, has to be taken as conjecture if one considers the nature of coincidences and cryptomnesia. Nevertheless, in this type of experience you are usually a floating point of consciousness and movement seems constant and gradual as though one moves through 'frames of space' or "mouse-trails". At times, the experiencer may consciously or unconsciously manifest a transparent or shadowy body. One can phase into a more metaphysical type of experience from here. In other words, from Mode 1 you can shift into the realm of thoughts.

Mode 2 OOBE:

You may find yourself in what appears to be an inaccurate emulation of the real world. Familiar objects may be out of place or absent, sometimes unfamiliar objects are seen, and other structural anomalies may be observed. This is the metaphysical realm where dreamland and anything that the imagination can conceive can manifest. You can visualise an environment of your choosing as everything appears to be representations of thought, or even visit what appears to be the worlds of others, the latter being that which you believe you have not imagined. The environment can seem extremely real, sometimes displaying a crisp and bright hyper-real quality that outshines our waking reality. Some experiences here seem to indicate that one is also capable of perceiving what's on the minds of people who are awake, thus this type of experience would enable telepathy if the experiencer peruses the minds of the visited. One may also perceive an inaccurate replica of what the person is doing in the physical realm because, even as we think during the day, we are constantly projecting thought forms in that frequency. Mode 2 is easier to achieve than Mode 1. My experiences suggest so as well as indicating that there is a whole other reality or more appropriately, perhaps, more to reality than meets the eye.

I induce next to my sleeping wife too. Sometimes she fidgets and ruins it all. If you find this too much of a hindrance, just make an "OOBE bed" on the floor or do it on the sofa when you plan to have one.

During the sleep paralysis stage and when you get hypnagogic imagery, try not to get excited. Just act as an observer... :wink:

Don't worry about vision until you are out. Once out, vision relies more upon the wish to see rather than the 'tactile' feeling of opening your eyes. Don't worry so much and have a relaxed approach. Sometimes vision is there already. Sometimes it's partial. And sometimes you come out in darkness.

You're welcome. :-)

Quote from: Cowboy on September 08, 2005, 23:09:15
When you reach the prime time point they're slightly off from each other. Almost like a bad trace drawing laid offset over the original drawing if that makes sense to you.

Yes I've been watching this for some time--when i move my arm no matter how slowly,it leaves some sort of foggy trail.are you saying that one can see his astral body?

So, im new to AP, but have been doing LD for some time. But for several reasons ive not practiced for a year and now im rebuilding my skills. Ive been drawn to start practicing AP and for that ive started my meditation practice again as i realize it is paramount to learn to be able to go deep into different states of consciousness to AP. While practicing meditation, i also read up A LOT andfill my mind with everything AP related, so its possible i will have spontaneous AP, since i realize it takes a lot of practice to induce one from waking state.

What i then do while waiting for the spontaneous AP, is to practice at least 30 minutes of meditation each day and also get up early in the morning around 6 to try to meditate myself into a consciously induced AP. Been feeling sensations of expanding, floating and also of a presence, but not heard the buzzing sound. Also, i think ive felt small tinglings in my body, but i get excited and must start somewhat over :wink:

If anyone can help me to improve this protocol, feel free to reply.

I have two techniques that seem to work well with me. These might take a little practice to get right. They sound simple but it's amazing what the mind does to keep you in the physical. As I naturally travelled astrally as a kid anyway, I don't need these techniques - I just take off. But sometimes I do this to make sure I still can go into the astral if I for some reason can't just will my body out.

T1 :

I go to bed, semi-tired, and lie down on my back. I focus on a point in the room until I feel the need to shut my eyes (normally after 10 minutes but sometimes I will close my eyes if my brain doesn't send signals to do so). Normally at this point I will lie on my side with my legs bent in my natural sleep position. I then focus all my energy on keeping still to try and trick my body into thinking it's asleep (the hardest part of this is to not fall into the trap of moving when your body says it's uncomfortable as it's your body way of testing that you are indeed asleep). I focus on my legs until they go cold and numb, then I work my way up the body. Next I try and wiggle a finger to make sure I've hit sleep paralyis and if it proves difficult, I will move on to the next stage. The next stage is pretty easy. I imagine myself sitting up and then *POOF!* I'm out.

T2 :

I normally do this one in the day around noon but have done it at night and in mornings too. Sit in your chair or lie down, make sure you aren't disturbed or have background noise like the TV on. Just be natural - don't lie down in an unnatural position because, contrary to popular belief, this won't work.
You need to focus on the silence around you - if you are new to this technique it's best to shut your eyes so you take away any visual distractions. Your brain will automatically fill the silence with noise known as 'white noise'. Focus on that white noise. It will probably sound quite faint at the start but will get louder the more you focus on it.  If you are lucky you might hear someone call your name (that'll be your guide) but don't be afraid. Next, when you have established the white noise and can focus on other things, you need to focus on your forehead. You should see an eye staring back at you after a while or you might feel your head tingle.
You now need to imagine your head getting bigger and your perception broadening. You will notice the white noise you heard so faintly at the start is now sounding like a jet engine next to your ears. Don't fear it. Try to move your astral limbs and get up.

Oh and I forgot to add - everyone is different so you might get all or none of the warning signals like breathlessness, tingling, buzzing or anything else. Personally only after T2 do I get the buzzing. I normally have signs in that I'm astral by the colour and perception of the room (like seeing hues rather than a solid colour). As weird as it sounds, I don't always realize I'm astral until I get a sign like seeing my body in bed or seeing something non physical. As of this moment, I know by immediately finding myself on the lower planes...ugh. 

After reading all about various techniques in the early 2000's,  I settled on a few that worked for me.

1) Induce sleep paralysis, raise the static in my ears to fever-pitch, then just roll out.

Inducing sleep paralysis is sometimes as simple as going to sleep on my back if I'm already fairly well-rested--like if I take an hour's nap around 8pm, then go to bed around 11. Or take an early-afternoon nap after a good sleep the night before. No special effort required, but sleep paralysis can be hit-and-miss and often eithet doesn't happen, or isn't 'energetic' enough for a decent OBE (lots of dragging myself through dim, treacle-like versions of my room).

2) Like 1), but instead of trying to go via sleep I sequentually relax my body (feet, hands, legs, arms...) until I can no longer feel my limbs and torso. Then, I just wait. If I have an itch, I scratch it. If I need to stretch, I stretch. But the key is just getting as relaxed as possible, getting numb, waiting 5 minutes to an hour, then recognising the sudden weightlessness and either stepping out or rolling out.

3) Meditation. Probably the most productive technique in the long run. Again on my back and comfortable, I focus on the sensations of one part of my body as I breathe. E.g with my hands on my chest, I feel my hands rise and fall, and keep my focus on that as much as possible. Give it time. That leads to extraordinary experiences, not just the OBE. I once felt myself rise out of my body but maintained my focus, as an experiment--meditated in the 'astral', if you will...and that body fell away too. I entered a new space, was given a whole new perspective.

I should mention that nothing worked for the first year or so of trying, until I had a dream that a friend was at the top of a dark flight of stairs, inviting me to walk up. I took one step and the dream dissolved, I was in my bedroom, had partially left my body and had rotated 90 degrees at the hips--my legs had gone through the bed, and I was waving my arms in the air. I looked at my hands and saw just a faint electric outline. Amazing sensations that first time. The next day, or very soon after, I had my first fully-controlled exit...went running down the driveway to make as much space as I could between myself and my body, and was scared sh*tless by a small grinning asian man who told me to relax and slow down.

Those first experiences lasted about as long as a single held breath...remember to breathe.

I've had the most success with disrupting my normal sleep pattern. I'll set my alarm to go off in the middle of the night, then I'll sleep in a different position on the bed, like sideways or something. This usually let's me be more aware of my body falling asleep. What also works for me as well is taking a nap after thinking about leaving my body and reading heavily on the subject and being focused on projecting.

Background: I am a novice at OBE's but I have gotten out on 4 separate occasions and moved around my house. I have been meditating for about 2 years and specifically got into aiming for an OBE around 1 year ago, inspired by Robert Monroe's works.  I have been through the first 4 waves of his Gateway CD's, doing each of the 24 exercises several times over the course of a week before moving onto the next.  I had some success in particular with remote viewing.  However, my OBE's were not directly related to listening to these CD's. 

My method: I wrote down all conscious OBE's that I recall in my diary immediately after the experience.  Here is what they had in common:  I have only been able to project in the hypnopompic state i.e. while coming out of sleep, and in general have had many brief but unusual experiences during this state aside from OBE's.  My method is:
1.   I verbally repeat an affirmation 5 times to myself as I am close to falling asleep for the night: "I wake up slowly and deepen my hypnopompic state to have conscious, positive out of body experiences that I remember." 
2.   My alarm rings a couple hours before my normal wake-up time in the morning.
3.   I get up briefly and go to the bathroom.  Others advise being active for more like 45 min. so you don't just fall back asleep, but I personally find it hard to fall back asleep even with just a bathroom break.
4.   I lay back in bed and repeat my affirmation 5 times again.  I also try to get into the borderland state but typically not much happens before I fall asleep.  Sometimes, I fitfully go between dreaming and waking.
5.   On a successful morning, I begin to wake up around 15 min. before my usual wake-up time, and my dream merges into an OBE.  For example, in my first OBE, my dream ended off with falling into water and my legs then floated up above water.  Then, I woke up to find my astral body in the same position with only my head still integrated in the physical body.  From there, I exited and "walked" slowly around in my bedroom, with pretty good control of movement and thoughts.

This method does not usually end up in an OBE, but with persistence for a few weeks it finally did work a few times.  I think it's also important that I spend 1-2 hours every day on reading/watching material on the subject and meditating.  I am wondering if anyone has more advice on hypnopompic OBE's i.e. while waking up, as this seems to be what works for me at the moment.  But it's hard to remember to try for an OBE when you are coming out of sleep (unlike having an OBE while falling asleep i.e. hypnagogic, where you lie down and do a method right before the OBE).

Welcome to the Pulse metaphysicist,

The early-morning technique you are describing is often the most productive technique even for more experienced projectors such as myself; early am is still my best time to try. I suspect it has to do with the energetic balance between the wakefulness of the conscious mind, the tiredness of the physical body and the trick to separating the two in order to facilitate an OBE is a subtle thing to learn, but that's what you need to aim for.

Some few people can just lay down in the evening and a few minutes later, phase into another dimension. God bless them, I can't do that; except when conditions are exactly right. In the evening, my body is simply too tired that it just drags my consciousness down along with it, into the depths of sleep; I think that applies to most of us. If that is the case, then the rest of us have to be on the lookout for opportunities, and the best of these are middle of the night, early morning or daytime naps. The key is to get yourself ready to notice the opportunities.

Yes, remembering to try for an OBE in the early morning can be a frustrating thing; but it always happens with a kind of ironic smile for me.  :-D. This is part of your subconscious programming actually working...well done! It's also a challenge to your seriousness to this undertaking. You are being questioned and tested at many levels. All at the same time, it's fun, exciting and serious and demanding.

Pre-sleep affirmations would work well for you like they already are. Experiment with this. Keep it simple and just state what you want. The journal is priceless! This is all inner communication with your subconscious and higher self. Dreams merging into projections are perfectly fine, go with whatever presents itself. Here's a small mind-blower: you are being introduced to different entrance methods to the Non-Physical Realities...have fun thinking about that!