Attached Negs and Water??

[Mirador]

Depends on your age (say you're under 10 or 12 years old). Immune to water? I guess if you're an inorganic being.



Mirador

[HeadachyMuzikGirl]

Well I am 12 years old...and what exactly makes an 'inorganic' being versus an 'organic' being?

[Ides315]

Hey HAMG,

They cannot become immune, though they do not come off as easily the longer they are attached.

Best

[HeadachyMuzikGirl]

whenever i go into water, it doesn't help any of my neg-induced symptoms. I'm starting to wonder whether or not it IS a neg, if the fact that they can become immune to water isn't possible.

[neg removal5]

Hi everyone


   Whether water will work or not depends on two factors.  How strong the "neg" is or isn't.  And how long the neg has been attached to the person.  It's possible if the neg isn't very strong, that it could still be removed by water even if it has been attached for over 5 years.  

    A person also needs to make a distinction between water that is put directly on a person, and the force or vibrations of powerful water energy such as that from a powerful underground stream.  Simple water techniques may not work against a strong "neg" no matter how many baths or showers you take, and no matter how many times you may cross over some kind of water barrier.

    However, a powerful underground stream that someone is standing above has been known to remove very strong "negs", even Robert Bruce has mentioned that fact about underground streams.

                                 Good luck with everything

[McArthur]

Hi HMG,
     could you describe in as much detail as possible what your symptoms are that makes you feel you have an attached neg. I'll help where i can.

Peace

McArthur

[HeadachyMuzikGirl]

Most of my neg-induced symptoms are plainly pain...none of the disembodied voices or involuntary movements YET...though I fear they'll start soon.

When I was about 1-2 years old, I started screaming in my sleep. My mom would come and rock me, and I would never wake up. IF I did wake up after about an hour or so of rocking, then I wouldn't remember ever waking up the next morning. My parents blamed this on chocolate and chocolate ice cream. (dunno where they got THAT from...[] ). These lasted until I was about 8 years old.

When I was...about in fifth grade? either that or sixth...I had serious bouts of depression, suicidal thoughts, and sexual fantasies that no fifth grader would usually have. i had HUGE amounts of paranoia, and I was extremely uncomfortable with being alone. In the last year, I had started getting daily headaches, a stiff and painful neck (it still cracks every single time I stretch or flex it), and a sore throat. The sore throat was unusual, however, because it's different than the normal sore throat. This feels as if it were raw...as if someone was running a fork up and down the back of my throat. Usually, with sore throats, people experience either more or the same amount of pain when they swallow. Whenever I swallow, it doesn't hurt as much or at all.

Just recently (December) these symptoms flared up and become much, much worse. I stayed home from school 67 days this school year, 59 of those after December.

There's anxiety always, also, that had never stopped since the fifth grade. But I no longer experience night terrors like I had when I was younger.

That's all, I suppose...I can complain, can't I?[] oh well. hope you have 'fun' reading this...

[Laurel]

Hi Jamie,

I'm glad that you are resourceful and have found some possibilities for helping yourself. You are obviously not your average 12 year old, but as a young adult, you are still very subject to your parents, their lifestyle, and their decisions. What do they think about your symptoms? Have you told them about the possibility of entity attack, showed them Robert Bruce's book or given them other information about Neg attacks? What do they think about all this? Are they willing to help you solve your symptoms, even through practical but metaphysical means? If your family practice a religion, even only casually, maybe you can use some of your family's spiritual tools (prayer, going to church/synagogue/ect.) to help.

If not, you're not alone, and your resourcefulness is a source of hope. But if you can get one or both of them to cooperate, it would probably be a great help. (I'm not an expert, unless you count being affected by Negs through childhood without assistance from my parents, so this is just my opinion.) If you can't get one of them to help you, you can still try a lot of the passive countermeasures that Robert Bruce recommends without drastically changing your routine or acting too out of the ordinary.

Anyway, I can't say whether you and affected by Negs or not. It sounds possible, yet there could be other causes to your problems. One nice thing about the steps you can take to get rid of Negs (or diminish their influence) is that they aren't dangerous. Playing classical or "happy" music in your bedroom, saying prayers or reciting poems, keeping your personal space well-aired and bright with sunlight, taking good care of yourself (getting some exercise, staying away from drugs and people using drugs/alcohol, avoiding excesses of junk food), practicing meditation or energy work are good for almost anyone, whether or not they have Negs.

Laurel

[HeadachyMuzikGirl]

my parents are not very open minded people. they have never considered possession at all. ever. i can assure you that much. my father thinks that it's from sleep deprivation (i'm an insomniac, but only because i fear what i might dream) and me being tired. my mother has no clue, but she insists on giving me all kinds of painkillers and antibiotics and vitamn C...i've been visiting an allergist since i last updated (i apologize for not having updated for a while...hectic happenings) and she gives me the allergy pill Zyrtec and rhinocort nasal spray. so i think she thinks it's something concerning allergies.

no...i haven't shown them the psychic self defense book or even brought up that it might be a neg or something...just because i fear the consequences if they don't believe me.

would you mind telling me your story and the countermeasures you useD? i think some of this might help me...

[Laurel]

Hi Jamie,

Not so long ago, I posted pretty extensively about my childhood neg experiences.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5199

The original post is a description of problems, and the third post in the thread describes some innocuous countermeasures I found myself (and almost all of them were things Robert Bruce recommended in his book.)

One of the problems with believing that negs affect me is that I tend to get creeped out too easily. I think it's important to remember that, even if they have achieved some influence over you, you are still the smarter one, the one with the most options available. Once you figure out their modes of influence and learn to adapt yourself so those modes of influence don't work, negs can't hurt you anymore. The more you can stay calm and unobsessed with neg-induced symptoms, the less power they (the symptoms and the negs) have over you. I guess if you read Practical Psychic Self-Defense, you know that already.

Anyway, read my post and if you have questions, just let me know. I'll do what I can to help!
Laurel

[HeadachyMuzikGirl]

Thank you Laurel. While your neg problems are much more severe and evident than mine, I think your ideas and countermeasures can help me. I will try some or all of these.

The problem with me and energy work is that i can't get energy to my head, where all of my neg induced problems are happening. All the pain and pressure is in my head, and no where else. I can move energy pretty freely around my body, except whenever i try to make it go into my head, the energy bounces off and goes through the rest of my body, or back down to my arms. Not "bounces"...it's as if a barrier were right below my neck forcing all the energy back.

[Laurel]

quote:Originally posted by HeadachyMuzikGirl
The problem with me and energy work is that i can't get energy to my head, where all of my neg induced problems are happening. All the pain and pressure is in my head, and no where else. I can move energy pretty freely around my body, except whenever i try to make it go into my head, the energy bounces off and goes through the rest of my body, or back down to my arms. Not "bounces"...it's as if a barrier were right below my neck forcing all the energy back.

One of the things you might not be taking into account is that sometimes the effects of energy work are not immediate. Sometimes it takes a long period of regular work to get much of a budge. What is your technique for bringing energy into the blocked area? Maybe if you describe what you have tried, I and other forum members will have ideas for alternate approaches.

In general, I would say that there's no need to give up on energy work. Even if it seems not to have an impact on the immediate concern, it will be of benefit in the long term. Keeping your energy moving as best you can will be good for your health and overall well-being and less susceptible to worsening neg events if you already have them.

My teacher always says, "stick with success." So if, right now, with the technique you're using, you feel you are not moving energy around your head, don't worry about it. Keep experimenting with your energy in ways that are successful. Everything is interrelated, so it may be that you'll find a "loosening" of the blocks you feel in your head in response to other energy work.

Have you tried any other countermeasures? How's it going for you?
Laurel

[HeadachyMuzikGirl]

I actually know I got energy into my head, now. I felt some healing in my head (though extremely weak and more brief than weak, with my beginner's energy)

It's so hard to explain my energy method...ahh...well, i guess the best way to explain it was that I was lying around one day, and I was cold. I had tried energy work before, to no results. I thought, "Energy creates heat, right? So I guess I should try energy to make myself warm." So I just thought about something rushing through my body and making me warm, giving me a warm feeling inside, and it worked. i can't explain how, but it did. then, a few weeks (months?? dunno...) later, (about a week and a half ago)I tried to get energy into my head like I had been trying for some time, and I didn't feel any heat, and still dont, when I'm working with energy in my head. But if I focused on the part of my head that was feeling painful at that time, the pain would go away for a fraction of a second (literally). but now he pain seems to take longer the heal than it does to stay in one place.

I never had any thoughts about actually giving up energy work, since I only just started a couple of months (weeks??) ago and I know things take time.

i've finished reading psychic self defense. i've tried water fasting with success until my parents noticed i hadn't eaten all day and thought i was anorexic and made me eat something. at least i made up a good lie to cover up what i was really doing. uhhm...let me see...i'm trying to think of other countermeasures i've been doing...oh, i learned how to cleanse core images and cleased some of those...but either that's not working entirely or the neg is getting strong enough to recreate them fast. most likely i'm doing it wrong.

oh, my friend loves me very dearly and she did something wondeful for me. She actually contacted Robert bruce and Nita through Adrian and she's doing so much to try and help me. i feel loved. anyway, my friend sent a picture of me to Nita and Nita said that something isn't possessing me, but...let me find a quote, here..." She is not possessed but she does seem to have something trying to
overshadow her. " I'm going to look up more on this...and in the mean time, thank you so so so very much for taking an interest and trying to help me!!!

Jamie

[Laurel]

Hi Jamie,

Congrats on making some progress in the energy work area.

Water fasting was not very helpful for me. I felt that it weakened my defenses.

I bet Nita and RB will be of great help! I will leave you in their capable hands. Please keep us posted!
Laurel

[HeadachyMuzikGirl]

If a neg is thoroughly attached to you (say over a period of about 10 or 12 years) can it become immune to water or running water?