well, this forum changed a lot too, from what i saw reading older posts, spiritual forum evolved, too
as for your monologue, it doesn't change me becouse i already think this way, good to see someone with similiar beliefs
one thing:
how can you distingush when person can deal with NEG infestation ??
what if they can't even feel it (or know about it), but it indeed fuels their fear, most of the problems come from them, not from the neg, neg just spots good meal
the chances that from feeling fear and obsessive thoughts they will start working is nil, but when there is nothing they will just sit where they are, ease the symptoms and the disease will be left untroubled
maybe just leaving them alone in their suffereing will give them chance, in a few years that is, when it becomes unbearable
have you found a solution for that ???
thx
all things balance out and all people suffer the same total amount of pain in the end.
taking into account previous and future incarnations, that is
one nagging little thing - weren't we created in the beggining, i mean all things, and if, why there are such differences between us (stone (as a being) was created at the same time as we, why we are humans now and it is just stone
two explanations:
there are new souls created all the time (i don't mean new to earth, they just come from other dimensions, but are at least as old as we), progressing from stones up to humans and to the source
karma - our actions balance out, we use karma to incarnate good and screw up, some pain in future
i don't view arrangements we made between lives as only stimulating growth, but rather as hammurabi's law, it has to balance out
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Originally posted by EnderWiggin
who no longer sees helping others by slaying their psychic tormenter spirits as the main area to focus on. I have learned that we are the only ones who can help ourselves, and destroying a neg for someone isn't really helping them at all, just making room for another to take its place. It might buy them some time, but ultimately they are the only ones who can help themselves.
That's like saying I won't help someone if I see some attacker stabbing someone to death, because heck, too bad you didn't learn kung fu like I did. And if I help today, heck another criminal might come and you still won't know how to deal with it, so I'll just leave a neg criminal to attack you. It's silly logic, actually this is utter foolishness.
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Darkness, like light, is a part of every pe/rson. Both are products of duality, which is, of course, an illusion.
Very good! You know basic philosophy. But do you REALLY KNOW philosophy? So you are telling me that if you encounter a wild 1000 pound tiger in the jungle you will simply say, "hey 1000 pound tiger, you are only an illusion, be on your way oh great teacher" and the tiger will just disappear?
Again theory is very different than reality, and reality is only an illusion for a master...and all your philosophizing will not alter forces, only practice and supreme inner understanding does that.
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When an evil 'neg' comes at you, tell it you know what it is and why it is there. Honor it by thanking it for what it has taught you, and tell it that you have released it.
Better than that, I'll sing it the Barney song, " I love you, you love me, we're a happy famileee....with a great big hug and a kiss from me to you ***smoooch***, won't you say you looooove meeeee tooooo." laaa, laaa, i'M AN AIR HEAD...LA, LA, LA...
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All evil stems from fear. Whether it stems from your fear, someone else's fear, or the collective fear of all people, that is where it stems from.
Yes, indeed tell that to the police force...heck if noone had fear, there would be 0 crime, and no police would be necessary. We would have a crime free society, why negs would just disappear...so simple.
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However, I know that I cannot help them unless they help themselves. I can only offer new perspectives.
Yes, you can. You can try helping a helpless child under attack, handicapped, you can help the elderly who have no idea how to meditate and you can help others who don't know what the heck is going on. If everyone could help themselves, there wouldn't be a problem. But the fact is not everyone can, so stop living in some la la land.
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The real question, I suppose, is why do we as spiritual beings experience psychic attacks from others or from negs, demons, etc? Is it necessary that we have this experience? It seems that not everyone goes through it.
the real question is why are there so many air heads in this world who don't make any practical sense? Not everyone suffers from a murderous satanic demon, I ask myself all the time, why not me? Why do I not get a real neg demon, like Satan in my karmic resume that I can learn from, am I karmicly challenged?
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Enderwiggin,
Some parts I agree with,but most of what you wrote I do not agree with.
Evil spirits can be destroyed and they do not come back. I have seen angels destroy evil spirits on many occasions. Honour your guardians and yourself. Do not honour evil spirits. They deserve no honour since they have no sense of honour.
The only thng I have learned from lifetimes of battles against evil spirits is this: Either you destroy them or they will destroy you.
Down is where your feet are.
How many people like having their reality challenged? This forum would be rather thin if all the posts that were wrong were deleted. There are many more just plain wrong that right. So does that mean the ones that are wrong have no value? No. A child makes many mistakes before they learn what is right.
If you tell someone that most NEG attacks are their own fault, what does that do? It pushes them into panic and makes the problem worse. If they believe that the source is outside, then it helps them deal with the problem. At some point in their path, they realise the true nature of NEG's and once that happens, they learn how to deal with them.
True protection comes from within, just as true healing comes from within. True help comes in the form of guidance, not neccesarily in lobbing energy about.
This site is about AP/OBE, everything else is given less consideration. The tail wags the dog.
hmmmm, it seems that i understood ender differently than you
he's not talking about high level spirits, demons etc, but low level negs that can whisper in your ear or drain you a bit, most people experience only this "attacks" and get to know more when dealing with them, it can cause positive change and understanding
if you just do it for them they won't learn anything except ask for help in similiar situation, when you leave them with it leaving traces for development they could learn how to deal with them, and with themselves
fear = food, no fear no food, why bother
that doesn't include babies, or old sick people who have no means of development, at least this is how i see it
high level are different matter, i think, haven't met any (well, except mahakala, but that's buddhist gaurdian)
Everyday I got insight from here and there, there is a synchronicity happening and I am learning or re-learning something here.
As I am typing now, I am slowly working on the fear that struck me so hard two minutes ago. I learnt to recognise it, know which part of my body it arose, and the possible causes of it. But now instead of fighting it and suppress it with anger, I acknowledge it, I observe it, and I question it. Like you said, I too believe that enemies or nasty things that happened are our true benefactors. They benefit us more than any worthy teacher would. You truly learn with direct experience and these nasty experiences are just the opposite side of the coin, you only need to flip it.
I see many people married and divorced over and over again and each time the same problem happens and the lead them through another cycle. Problem will never cease, as long as the condition that cause it to arise, prevails.
I am not giving advise, I am the least qualified person to do this. I am sharing what I've learnt over the past months about myself. The "neg" taught me and sharpened my mindfulness. I am aware of almost every thoughts that arise in my mind, and I have a choice whether to react to them or discard them. In any case, unless it's a divine inspiration, no thought is worth chasing after. Everthing boils down to zero.
The "neg" has ingeniously manipulated my emotions to weaken my defense, by implanting a negative thoughts that cause negative emotions or releasing the emotion by direct exertion on the chakras that store all my emotional traces.
If energy is all it wanted, then it is unlimited from the Supreme source. The more I give, the more I get. If it ever triggers a karma effect, then it would have to pay back in multiple times. In any case it requires no action from me.
All forms are illusion. These include emotion, pride and ego. The real challenge in everyday life is to perceive "reality" in its ultimate reality, that is, emptiness, illusions. We are not as awake now as we were in dreams. I just feel that every experience in life is teaching us about this ultimate reality. As long as we see illusion as reality, we are causing our own sufferings.
The difference between you and me, is the same difference between me and the same me split seconds ago.
Thank you once again.
Choon
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That's like saying I won't help someone if I see some attacker stabbing someone to death, because heck, too bad you didn't learn kung fu like I did. And if I help today, heck another criminal might come and you still won't know how to deal with it, so I'll just leave a neg criminal to attack you. It's silly logic, actually this is utter foolishness.
Are you talking about physically on the street you see someone doing this? If this is the case, those are two different things. I "think" what Ender was saying was people have to slay their own demons. Let us do a what if... People come to these forums and ask for help, they recieve it, yet it won't go away. That is when they need to figure it out, because it is obvious our advice isn't working, due to a lack of information or honesty, OR..they don't want to be done with their demons, they hold on to it. quote:
Very good! You know basic philosophy. But do you REALLY KNOW philosophy? So you are telling me that if you encounter a wild 1000 pound tiger in the jungle you will simply say, "hey 1000 pound tiger, you are only an illusion, be on your way oh great teacher" and the tiger will just disappear?
Again theory is very different than reality, and reality is only an illusion for a master...and all your philosophizing will not alter forces, only practice and supreme inner understanding does that.
I'll be honest and say that your quote has a bit of sarcasm in it..[;)] and once again you bring up something (tiger) that really doesn't go with what is being said. I've had plenty of dreams and projections where I encounter what you would call a tiger, and I embraced it only to have it not show up again. quote:
Better than that, I'll sing it the Barney song, " I love you, you love me, we're a happy famileee....with a great big hug and a kiss from me to you ***smoooch***, won't you say you looooove meeeee tooooo." laaa, laaa, i'M AN AIR HEAD...LA, LA, LA...
Hehehehe..boy, I use to want to kill Barney, but my kids loved him, and what did Barney teach children? To love one another and why in the world do people find that so offensive? I'd sooo much rather have my kids thinking kind thoughts for another than trying to form a ki-ball to kill what they feel in their minds is out to get them. quote:
Yes, indeed tell that to the police force...heck if noone had fear, there would be 0 crime, and no police would be necessary. We would have a crime free society, why negs would just disappear...so simple.
Once again, you remind me of someone whom loves to hold on to that fear. In my opinion, fear does not equal crime. People do crimes because they have no morals, or conscience (sic) and are too lazy to get out there and live in society the way it was meant, thus taking from others when they have no right to. quote:
Yes, you can. You can try helping a helpless child under attack, handicapped, you can help the elderly who have no idea how to meditate and you can help others who don't know what the heck is going on. If everyone could help themselves, there wouldn't be a problem. But the fact is not everyone can, so stop living in some la la land.
People choose to live in whatever land they want..some like peace others like conflict..just get in the right line, tis all.[;)] People are not as helpless as we would like to think. I'm not saying to NOT offer your help, but there comes a time when people have to walk their own path....alone. quote:
the real question is why are there so many air heads in this world who don't make any practical sense?
That comment was just rude, plain and simple. I just love it when people have differences of opinions that don't jive with their own, then they start spouting out how stupid the other people are..very sad indeed. quote:
Not everyone suffers from a murderous satanic demon, I ask myself all the time, why not me? Why do I not get a real neg demon, like Satan in my karmic resume that I can learn from, am I karmicly challenged?
That just proves my point that you thrive on the dark side of things.[;)][:D]
P.S..I just had a heck of a time with all the quotes..LOL..sheesh, hope ya'll can make sense of this post. [:P]
Nay
I've got a link to a classic self-help book around here somewhere... Let me dig it up while I write this post.
William Atkinson, anyone? In this classic e-book entitled "Thought Vibrations," he deals with fear and systematically lays out how it's the root of all negative thought.http://www.xehupatl.com/download_files/freebooks/classics/William%20Atkinson%20-%20Thought%20Vibration.pdf
It's a very interesting read and a great way to get on the road to making you the master
of your fear, instead of letting fear be your master.
I'll let the book speak for itself, to those who care to take a look.
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Originally posted by Nay
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That's like saying I won't help someone if I see some attacker stabbing someone to death, because heck, too bad you didn't learn kung fu like I did. And if I help today, heck another criminal might come and you still won't know how to deal with it, so I'll just leave a neg criminal to attack you. It's silly logic, actually this is utter foolishness.
Are you talking about physically on the street you see someone doing this? If this is the case, those are two different things. I "think" what Ender was saying was people have to slay their own demons. Let us do a what if... People come to these forums and ask for help, they recieve it, yet it won't go away. That is when they need to figure it out, because it is obvious our advice isn't working, due to a lack of information or honesty, OR..they don't want to be done with their demons, they hold on to it.
What do you think a demon is? What is reality but a projection from yourself? So someone dying from a neg died of his inner demon and someone killed by a criminal outside to you is a different situation? There is no inner, no outer. You "send love waves from the heart chakra" types don't understand what you are talking about -- you contradict yourself in logic and in the end help hurting others with misinformation or incomplete understanding. Sorry if this sounds rude, but you really need a reality check.
I'm dealing with witches who are attempting to kill their own little boy/sons NO MATTER HOW MUCH LOVE THE POOR BOY projects to the mother, so please don't tell me about demons and your ridiculous Barney the purple dinosaur philosophy in dealing with demonic forces and my "inner fear", you're darn right, I have fear for the little boy's life and future and that very fear is what is drives me,and I'm not some self righteous ignorant fool as to not admit it.
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Very good! You know basic philosophy. But do you REALLY KNOW philosophy? So you are telling me that if you encounter a wild 1000 pound tiger in the jungle you will simply say, "hey 1000 pound tiger, you are only an illusion, be on your way oh great teacher" and the tiger will just disappear?
Again theory is very different than reality, and reality is only an illusion for a master...and all your philosophizing will not alter forces, only practice and supreme inner understanding does that.
I'll be honest and say that your quote has a bit of sarcasm in it..[;)] and once again you bring up something (tiger) that really doesn't go with what is being said. I've had plenty of dreams and projections where I encounter what you would call a tiger, and I embraced it only to have it not show up again.
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Better than that, I'll sing it the Barney song, " I love you, you love me, we're a happy famileee....with a great big hug and a kiss from me to you ***smoooch***, won't you say you looooove meeeee tooooo." laaa, laaa, i'M AN AIR HEAD...LA, LA, LA...
Hehehehe..boy, I use to want to kill Barney, but my kids loved him, and what did Barney teach children? To love one another and why in the world do people find that so offensive? I'd sooo much rather have my kids thinking kind thoughts for another than trying to form a ki-ball to kill what they feel in their minds is out to get them.
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Yes, indeed tell that to the police force...heck if noone had fear, there would be 0 crime, and no police would be necessary. We would have a crime free society, why negs would just disappear...so simple.
Once again, you remind me of someone whom loves to hold on to that fear. In my opinion, fear does not equal crime. People do crimes because they have no morals, or conscience (sic) and are too lazy to get out there and live in society the way it was meant, thus taking from others when they have no right to.
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Yes, you can. You can try helping a helpless child under attack, handicapped, you can help the elderly who have no idea how to meditate and you can help others who don't know what the heck is going on. If everyone could help themselves, there wouldn't be a problem. But the fact is not everyone can, so stop living in some la la land.
People choose to live in whatever land they want..some like peace others like conflict..just get in the right line, tis all.[;)] People are not as helpless as we would like to think. I'm not saying to NOT offer your help, but there comes a time when people have to walk their own path....alone.
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the real question is why are there so many air heads in this world who don't make any practical sense?
That comment was just rude, plain and simple. I just love it when people have differences of opinions that don't jive with their own, then they start spouting out how stupid the other people are..very sad indeed.
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Not everyone suffers from a murderous satanic demon, I ask myself all the time, why not me? Why do I not get a real neg demon, like Satan in my karmic resume that I can learn from, am I karmicly challenged?
That just proves my point that you thrive on the dark side of things.[;)]
[:D]
P.S..I just had a heck of a time with all the quotes..LOL..sheesh, hope ya'll can make sense of this post. [:P]
Nay
errr, both of you are talking about different situations ...
the love wave works for weaker ones (or aspects of yourself, thoughtforms you created), but there are some that are unconvertable, and need to be terminated
different tools for different uses ...
fear is a bad (bad as unconvienient and troubling) thing, though ... sucks to be motivation but if there is nothing else around ...
Interesting....
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and destroying a neg for someone isn't really helping them at all, just making room for another to take its place. It might buy them some time, but ultimately they are the only ones who can help themselves
Like others have already said, what of children? A different situation? But, aren't most adults just big kids in disguise, when it comes right down to it? (um...)
There are only one distinction I make - if the negs is already attached, or if it isn't. Former - banish away. Latter - banish and help.
But while it is in some ways true to say that people can only change themselves, you can definately give them a hand. To reverse the old addage, true you cant force a horse to drink (not easily, anyway [;)]), but you sure as hell can lead it to water.
The tiger analogy - IMO all the airy healing stuff has merit, but it has to be done before the fact. Embracing the ideal of a tiger and letting your fears drop away "might" help it not to show up in the forest at all, but if it does, them loving it (lol) wont help matters (certainly! Oh dear..). Same with negs - once its there, you have to have an effective strategy for dealing with it. Sending it your love and thanks just isn't effective, IMO, which is why people who actually get into this in a big way to help folks, dont use it. They spend *YEARS* learning how to banish, or have faith like a mountain, etc.
I once prayed for an entity that woke me up in the middle of the night, only to get "f*** your god, f*** your god" back telepathically. Neg is still attached, btw...
The only exception is by raising your base consciousness level through spiritual practise that the attachments just drop away, or so I'm told, but thats a long term thing. Raising you consciousness for 2 minutes wont cut it.
Kalratri well maybe your post was rude, and I know I shouldn't say this, but it did make me laugh [:)]. I like people who speak their mind, dont you Nay????!! [:D]
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People do crimes because they have no morals, or conscience (sic) and are too lazy to get out there and live in society the way it was meant, thus taking from others when they have no right to.
Not a very loving philosophy!! Another option, they commit crimes because they have no choice, and nobody has tried to help them?
laterz...?
Rob
Love is good, but action is also sometimes necessary.
Hehehehe..I'll try and get this out fast, the cable guy is here and messing up my internet..[:)]
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What do you think a demon is? What is reality but a projection from yourself? So someone dying from a neg died of his inner demon and someone killed by a criminal outside to you is a different situation? There is no inner, no outer. You "send love waves from the heart chakra" types don't understand what you are talking about -- you contradict yourself in logic and in the end help hurting others with misinformation or incomplete understanding. Sorry if this sounds rude, but you really need a reality check. I'm dealing with witches who are attempting to kill their own little boy/sons NO MATTER HOW MUCH LOVE THE POOR BOY projects to the mother, so please don't tell me about demons and your ridiculous Barney the purple dinosaur philosophy in dealing with demonic forces and my "inner fear", you're darn right, I have fear for the little boy's life and future and that very fear is what is drives me,and I'm not some self righteous ignorant fool as to not admit it.
I'm gonna have to break down your post, soooo much easier for me.[:D]
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What do you think a demon is?
In all honesty, I'm not sure, I know it isn't some dude with horns and a red tail that whispers evil things in our ears while asleep or awake..but more of inner demon..aka..our fears, hostilities, and guilts..those are demons to me...and those can whisper in your ear, but you must know that YOU are in control of how much CONTROL they get.[;)]
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What is reality but a projection from yourself?
EXCATLY! Our reality is but a projection from ourselves. We provide our reality..in how we think and act..so..see? We are not too against each other..[:D]
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So someone dying from a neg died of his inner demon and someone killed by a criminal outside to you is a different situation?
I'll be honest I've never heard of someone dying from a neg, and plus that gets us into what the definition of Neg is..aka..what is the definition of "is"..lol.. I may not be understanding what you're saying..(and please understand while I'm typing, I'm also talking to the cable guy..[:P] can you say, multi-tasking..?) But if someone was killed by a criminal outside of me..yes, that is a different situation.. because that is PHYSICAL..I can run up and smack him. You might hear alot of talk on these forums of people going into the astral and slaying negs for others, but in all honesty, that is very, very, hard to do, and takes years to get good at. I'll be the first to say, I have not got the skills for that, hence why I stick with the physical side of neg influences.
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There is no inner, no outer. You "send love waves from the heart chakra" types don't understand what you are talking about
When you say send out love waves...I've never said that, because frankly, I don't see it that way. I don't say.."ok, gonna shoot you out some love from my heart chakra" it comes natural, I don't think in those terms at all.. so I guess I really can't answer this question without failing you...nothing I say will help you understand unless you've felt it the way I've felt it. And PLEASE, I do not mean that in a "I'm better than you way" just a matter of different perspective, and your own path.
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you contradict yourself in logic and in the end help hurting others with misinformation or incomplete understanding. Sorry if this sounds rude, but you really need a reality check.
I try not to contradict myself, and I don't think I have, but if you think I have then so be it. Actually, I say what comes to my mind at the time and how I feel at the time..so, yeah, I guess sometimes it might seem like that, but lacking logic?..naaaaaah..you're being silly..you silly girl..[:D] I do find your EMOTIONS behind what you say rude, but not your actual words..you are searching and seeking just like the rest of us, so how can I find THAT rude?
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I'm dealing with witches who are attempting to kill their own little boy/sons NO MATTER HOW MUCH LOVE THE POOR BOY projects to the mother, so please don't tell me about demons and your ridiculous Barney the purple dinosaur philosophy in dealing with demonic forces and my "inner fear", you're darn right, I have fear for the little boy's life and future and that very fear is what is drives me,and I'm not some self righteous ignorant fool as to not admit it.
This reeks of ego and attitude..are those the same thing? How bout you just say, you are dealing with crazy people whom are attempting to make an excuse for being a bad parent..that would make ALOT more sense.
OI..Cable guys is gone..Still haven't fixed the problem, but ya know what..that is JUST FINE!! [:D] He was still a nice guy, and enjoyed his complete honesty in trying to help fix our problem..till the next time..[;)]
Nay
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I like people who speak their mind, dont you Nay????!!
Heheheh..Squeek would have my hide for me saying so little, but....
YEP! [:D]
Hugs to you Rob~ Nay [;)]
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Originally posted by Cheyyne
I've got a link to a classic self-help book around here somewhere... Let me dig it up while I write this post.
William Atkinson, anyone? In this classic e-book entitled "Thought Vibrations," he deals with fear and systematically lays out how it's the root of all negative thought.http://www.xehupatl.com/download_files/freebooks/classics/William%20Atkinson%20-%20Thought%20Vibration.pdf
It's a very interesting read and a great way to get on the road to making you the master
of your fear, instead of letting fear be your master.
I'll let the book speak for itself, to those who care to take a look.
I totally forgot to mention your link...so far I like it, not all the way through, just 10 pages or so, but good! Thanks for that! [:D]
This isn't the atkinson diet guy is it?..[:P] Doesn't matter, just wondering.
Nay
another topic wasted on personal battles, why don't you just PM each other ??
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Originally posted by daem0n
another topic wasted on personal battles, why don't you just PM each other ??
Awwwwwwww, I didn't see this as a personal battle..sheesh, I don't know her from Adam..[:P] but just a difference of opinion or perception..nothing more, nothing less.[^]
People can discuss without being personal..as long as they are willing. I've got plenty friends that see differently, but that doesn't hurt our relationship at all. The key...respect, listen and learn. Well...ok, within reason..[:D]
Nay.[;)]
well, Nay i know this is a play to you, it's quite entertaining to read some of the posts, but we're causing traffic here [:P], and good questions are lost (i mean mine, heh [:D]), at least answer if new souls are created or not, or your view on it
distance, heh [8D]
where is ender anyway ??
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Originally posted by daem0n
well, Nay i know this is a play to you, it's quite entertaining to read some of the posts, but we're causing traffic here [:P], and good questions are lost (i mean mine, heh [:D]), at least answer if new souls are created or not, or your view on it
distance, heh [8D]
where is ender anyway ??
I'm not sure where Ender is, but...why would you say such a thing to me, about being a play?
I do agree that it is entertaining, because alot of people I find, genuinely fantastic, and make my heart smile. Have I been rude and off topic? And what traffic? Heck, I've been on the forums today alot, because of being away, and missed everyone.[:)] and can't wait for more conversation.. I'm confused as to why this makes me....not genuine?
My opinion on the new souls...do I need to say, this is MY opinion? I pretty much think everyone was created at the same time, but got "pushed out of the nest, if you will, at different times" Maybe some souls wanted to stick around on the...what shall we call it?..the "other side" and enjoy that, before coming to this hell on earth. Does that help, and make it ok for me to post?
Nay
EDIT: OOPS..typed my name twice..[:O]
hey, i'm not judging you, chill out
i'm not some control freak but we drifted off at some point, as usual [:D]
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Originally posted by Nay
I'll be honest I've never heard of someone dying from a neg,
Wowwww, there are plenty of cases. Neg don't take a knife from your kitchen and stab right through your heart. They can lead to you death, by depression, sickness by weakening the aura, accident by lack of concentration or hallucination, in trance or in extreme anger that you throw your kids out of the window. There are just so many example.
I knew of one incident when a broken hearted lady eventually took the life of a man with hex after torturing him for months and making him literally a mad man.
We need to get rid of negs, that is definite. But there many ways of getting rid of neg. While Sun Tzu said that the best defense is offense, he also said that the best battle won is one without the fight.
Negs are useful in two ways. Firstly, they bring a message telling us where we were most vulnerable and weak. Secondly, by taking care of these weakness we not only remove the negs but also became a better person.
Well, don't be a neg by letting this beautiful post ends so ugly.
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Wowwww, there are plenty of cases. Neg don't take a knife from your kitchen and stab right through your heart. They can lead to you death, by depression, sickness by weakening the aura, accident by lack of concentration or hallucination, in trance or in extreme anger that you throw your kids out of the window. There are just so many example.
How can you say this for sure? How do you know that all these things are negs, and not just the doings of their own soul/being? I believe people do not take enough responsibility in their own doings but look for other reasons or excuses because they can't face that just PERHAPS, they made their own reality.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't a Neg that made my stepmother kill herself in my room..it was all her doing. It was meant to happen that way, she incarnated to teach and learn lessons, all the while growing. I admit it took me some years to understand the why's about it, but once I got past my anger, I really learned some good lessons and grew as well.[:D]
My two cents.
Nay [:)]
EDIT - I am editing this post because I was being a little grump earlier. Silly me! I was in an unspeakably foul mood aka "bit stinky" [xx(][;)]quote:
How can you say this for sure? How do you know that all these things are negs, and not just the doings of their own soul/being? I believe people do not take enough responsibility in their own doings but look for other reasons or excuses because they can't face that just PERHAPS, they made their own reality.
We know these things from experience, both inner and outer, by using logic and by keeping our eyes open.
Cases are numerous of possession leading to death, and not just of the possessed - they, perhaps unfortauntely for them, often survive. Eyes open! You hear obvious cases in the news occasionally (and RB could tell the story of when he was possessed, and nearly ended up dead along with his son). But these are just the most extreme cases, like cprince mentioned, its more likely to occur through ongoing influence and corruption.
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It was meant to happen that way
IMO, if everything is supposed to happen, there there is no "not supposed to happen". A condensation of this argument is therefore - everything
IS, as was the creators intent.
Rob
Well, I guess this is why everyone has their own opinion..[:D]
I don't necessarily think everything is written in stone, but there are certain trials that I think happened because while I was still on the "otherside" I wrote it out that way. I wanted to learn certain things while in this incarnation, and my stepmother was, in my opinion one of them.
And yes, I know there are extreme cases with Negs, but I'm thinking half of when people keep saying are negs, is only within themselves.
P.S. I'm in a stinky mood too, but could you tell?..[;)] [:D]
Nay
I have never seen a negative with horns or a tail,but I have seen them whisper into a person's ear while that person slept.
If I ever do see a negative with horns and a tail I will assume it is someone's thoughtform. These can be banished much like actual negatives can be banished.
You know what? Ya'll are right, I don't know what the hell I was thinking.
Nay
[:D]
Hmm... yep, pretty much exactly the responses I expected. Once again, I would just like to say that THESE ARE MY PERCEPTIONS, and that they don't have to be yours. I'm not telling anyone what to believe, just offering a few perspectives and perceptions to consider. I thank you for sharing yours with me.
Now, to answer what I can of your questions (for now), first I would just like to state that I never said that I would not help someone who was in need of help. Better to teach someone kung fu than to obliterate the thug that one time and then leave the person defenseless for the next attacker (if there is one). Fear LOVES fear. It feeds on itself. If you are afraid, you will likely draw something you fear to you at some point in your existence (or physical life), if you do not resolve the energy. It will keep coming back, no matter how many times you fight it, destroy it, beat it to a bloody pulp, etc. It will keep coming back because that fear that you have is keeping it what it is. Your fear actually traps negs that are drawn to it.
As I have said before, all evil seeks resolution. They want a path in their existence, just like you do. All of us are really striving towards the same thing, though we do not realize it.
There is no such thing as "levels" of philosophy. Levels are an illusion. To think that you understand the Universe better than someone else is like elevating yourself and saying that you are in some way better. The wise man is still a fool in one way or another. Perhaps the wise man does not know how the mechanics of his car work, or perhaps he does not know how the banking system works. Perhaps the wise man knows more about one particular thing. As they say, "an expert is someone who knows everything about nothing" (i.e. all of their knowledge is primarily of one subject, and they know nothing about anything else).
I know how to destroy negs effortlessly, including arch demons (but not effortlessly. Now before I share this next part with you, I must inform you that I am not trying to brag or show off. I am simply stating that I am aware of astral combat, therefore I have chosen a different path for myself. Why should I have to fight if I do not have to? Now here is what I was going to say. Once again, I am NOT trying to brag or be egotistical: I had an encounter with Balam not too long ago and, though I must admit he almost had me beat, I managed to shatter his coherence in the astral and send him back to hell after many days of struggling (it's a long story I don't feel like getting into), and it was only because I got so sick of dealing with him that I decided it was time to end the struggle- in my favor. So I still battle negs I encounter when I feel that it is right for me to do so. It's not like if someone came to me for help I would say, "Sorry that neg is sucking your sou dry but I can't get rid of it because it wouldn't really be helping you." Of course I would help them. Why wouldn't I? I have sympathy for others' pain because I know what pain is. I know both emotional and physical pain. I'm not here to share my life story, but I have experienced both, and therefore it is possible from those experiences to relate to others and understand what they are going through. I help them in the best way I can, I offer them comfort and healing, and I try to understand their situation and why they are going through it. I then offer them whatever perspectives I have that I think might be helpful to them.
I feel a lot of assumptions have been made about me there, but that's okay, I can understand why. I am also not great with my communication skills, but I think I conveyed most of my thoughts accurately enough. As for making fun of me (this is directed to those whose comments were intended and would be taken in such a way as to lead one to feel that they were being made fun of, in the U.S. cultural context), I feel that it was unnecessary. I am also a part of you (being that everything and everyone contains everything and everyone else), so essentially what you've done is made fun of yourself. And I thank you for it (I'm not kidding). You have wounded my ego and now I can see where I am weak. Do it some more if you feel like it. Now I can work on resolving that part of myself (and you), and therefore, you will get something out of it.
Your reality is all based on your perception. In my last post, I have given you my perception. My perception isn't wrong, it isn't right, it isn't better or worse than anyone else's. It just is what it is, and that's all.
A soul cannot be destroyed, as far as the scientific laws have proven. Imagine, if you will, a line. This like goes on for infinity in both directions. The line has no beginning and no end. You are a point (as defined by mathematics/geometry) somewhere on that line. Each point represents a wavelength. If a soul were to be destroyed, that would be like taking red out of the rainbow and still calling it a rainbow (which, obviously, it would no longer be). The line would no longer be infinite, and would become two rays, as defined by mathematics/geometry (starting at one point and going on for infinity in only one direction). This would negate a lot of what already exists, because nothing can relate to that which does not exist. And since everything is tied to everything else, to destroy a soul would be to destroy part of everything and everyone. That would be like taking a hologram and destroying part of the whole image. This is simply not possible without destroying every part of it all at once. Since a hologram is a hologram BECAUSE all parts contain the whole image, part of it would always exist. Chop the hologram up, and you don't get parts of it, you get smaller wholes. This is exactly what would happen if someone's soul were to be "destroyed." They would simply continue to exist within everything and everyone else, and they would eventually be re-created.
As for law, that is a man-made thing. Following or not following a law has nothing to do with morals. It has to do with how far into society's trap you have fallen. We are living in an era where the systems we use (like government and religion) are based mostly on fear and control. They want to control people, and they want to do it through means of fear. That is why there are consequences for laws. People get the idea that people would break laws all the time and be evil without a government. This is simply not true. Why would I want to go out and kill people, or rob them, or lie to or cheat them? This does not make much sense to me. All I would need is food, water, shelter, and love. Existence is actually very simple. Our laws complicate things a great deal, all for control. We don't have to go to work and toil away for most of our conscious time of the day just to survive. Of course, the governments of the world would not want you knowing that.
www.stuartwilde.com Although I feel that not all of what he says is true, I do believe a great deal of it is. Have a look for yourself and read his articles. You can also read about the holographic Universe paradigm here.
I just wanted to add one more thing to my comments. Though we contain all within us, each of us is still only PART of the whole. We are certainly capable of altering things outside of us from within, but we ourselves remain only part of the whole, while we also contain the entire image of it. This helps us to understand what we affect and how.
Now that I have posted all of my thoughts that I care to post, I will leave you with my perceptions. I wish to discuss one other thing first, however. To those of you who vehemently disagree with me, thank you. I value your input. And to those of you who deliberately insulted me, I do not feel insulted by the remarks some of you made, even though it was clear to me that they were meant as insults. No matter what anyone posts, as long as it is different from what the majority thinks, there will be flaming, and insults will be flung. Therefore, I think it is best for me to simply ignore the insults, as I gain nothing from them and don't feel like flinging them back. The way I see it, if you think I am such a lowly fool and that you feel you are somehow better than me in some way, then to make fun of me is to make fun of yourself, because you are implying that you care about what I have to say and that you value the input of a fool. By doing so, you give validity to what I say. This lowers you to my level and I lose nothing in the process. Therefore, I don't have to insult you because I know you have already done it to yourself, and I sit back and laugh becasue I find it amusing. Therefore, if you are trying to achieve some goal by insulting me, I wish you luck, but please know that I'll be laughing at every insult you throw at me, because they're so gosh darn funny (really, they are).
You cannot teach a blind man to see.
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Therefore, I don't have to insult you because I know you have already done it to yourself, and I sit back and laugh becasue I find it amusing. Therefore, if you are trying to achieve some goal by insulting me, I wish you luck, but please know that I'll be laughing at every insult you throw at me, because they're so gosh darn funny (really, they are).
Good for you boy. Laughter is a great thing!
So, er does anyone else here find the utmost amusement in laughing at themselves??
[:D]
Rob
I believe that 'banter' as we call it here in the UK, makes the world go round! i.e. taking the p*ss out of one another!
that sounded like self-defence, didn't it
why any "controversial" post is attacked so viciuosly, without reading between lines (couse lines are illegible[;)])
some of you dwell in emotions and are messed up pretty badly, you haven't forgiven and the pain is still there, the post itself wasn't that bad, but your unresolved issue hurt like hell, weren't they
of course you'll reply with even more anger, hmmm, why am i writing here
why people dwell in magic, obe, ap, kinesis, you name it, before resolving their problems (now, don't misunderstood me, i'm talking about turning problems into situations to be dealt with, not monsters), thinking that it will resolve their problems, and in the end making these problems even worse
what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, you keep what you kill (resolve), if someone hands you a tool, great
off topic, move along, off topic, move along
It has been quite some time since I have last posted, so I thought I would just share some of what I have learned while away. Some of what follows I have learned from friends and others who I have talked to, and some of it I have learned from my own experiences. No doubt some of you are going to think I've gone nuts because much of what I am about to say is contrary to what I have said in the past. I no longer see myself as a 'demon-slayer' (label courtesy of Fat Turkey), though I still retain my abilities. Rather, I see myself as a spiritual scientist, who no longer sees helping others by slaying their psychic tormenter spirits as the main area to focus on. I have learned that we are the only ones who can help ourselves, and destroying a neg for someone isn't really helping them at all, just making room for another to take its place. It might buy them some time, but ultimately they are the only ones who can help themselves.
I have changed a lot since I last posted, so much that I probably won't sound much like the old me anymore.
Darkness, like light, is a part of every person. Both are products of duality, which is, of course, an illusion. In the end, there is only experience, and it is up to you whether or not you choose to learn from your experiences. How you perceive them will determine what you learn. This is often why repetition of certain experiences is necessary. One must change their perception of the experience in order to learn new things.
Psychic self-defense comes into play here because even if you are being attacked, you must learn about the attack. In the end, no one can help you but yourself. This is not meant to put fear into people, because that is the last thing I wish to do. Simply realize fear for what it is: a teacher, a beacon of where one's divinity may be guarded. There is nothing for no reason. When an evil 'neg' comes at you, tell it you know what it is and why it is there. Honor it by thanking it for what it has taught you, and tell it that you have released it. This will not only get rid of the neg, but will transmute it (or at least part of it) as well. If it comes back to you, it will come back as something else. Maybe not something bad, but it will return as something that has been changed by you. You will often get a confused look from the neg when this happens. This is quite normal, as it does not understand that it is a part of you, nor does it realize that it seeks resolution. All evil stems from fear. Whether it stems from your fear, someone else's fear, or the collective fear of all people, that is where it stems from.
A lot of people believe in a heaven or hell type of place which spawns light and dark beings. However, my experiences have taught me differently. Getting rid of my fear has allowed me to become more free. I still get fairly angry when I read about someone under psychic attack because I do not like to see others suffer. However, I know that I cannot help them unless they help themselves. I can only offer new perspectives.
The real question, I suppose, is why do we as spiritual beings experience psychic attacks from others or from negs, demons, etc? Is it necessary that we have this experience? It seems that not everyone goes through it.
We all perceive reality differently, so of course we are going to have disagreements as to what is true and what is not. From what I understand, truth is obtained only from experience, and knowledge from perception. I do believe, however, that we experience our truths inside of a bigger truth. There are probably rules somewhere, but only time will tell what scientists and spiritual scientists discover about reality, about what is real and what is not.
Currently, scientists are playing with the idea that this reality might actually be a hologram, e.g. each part contains all information about the whole.
If you took a hologram picture and cut it up, you would still see the whole hologram in each fragment of the picture. The science is hard to explain for me because I am not very good at conveying concepts and ideas with words. The reason scientists think the Universe is a hologram is because they have managed to send information from one electron to another instantaneously. They have noted that no matter what the distance, the electrons always corresponded with each other instantly.
Anyway, I am getting off-topic here. The reason this relates to negs is because if every single being that exists, physical or spiritual, is inside of us, then we contain information about every single neg that anyone could ever possibly encounter. I suppose that if this is the case, then the best question to ask is, what are negs and why do they exist? What purpose do they fulfill? What does that say about reality?
I know things now that I only believed before. I won't post them here because it is not for me to say what you know, but I have my knowledge of reality and that is good enough for me. If I choose to share it at a later time, I will share it only as an offering of new perceptions. I am not here to tell you what is real and what is not. That is not for me to decide. If I posted what I would have originally posted, I think there would be a lot of insults. I really don't care about the insults, I just don't want to be the cause of another flame war. I think a lot of what I have to say would offend many who are under attack. To those of you who are, I offer something to consider: all negativity stems from fear. Fear is the opposite of love. While under attack, how do you feel? Watch your negative emotions and try to trace their origins. Look deeper than just "I am afraid because I see creepy demon shadows crawling up my wall." That fear stems from something deep inside you. Whatever it is, try to resolve it if you can. This will eliminate the fear, thus cutting off the food source for the negs.
Another thing to consider: a neg unwittingly teaches you something when it attacks you. Whatever it is, learn from it. Do not be afraid of it. When you find out why, confront the neg and tell it that you know what it is (a teacher, part of your own shadow, part of someone else's shadow, etc.) and that you thank it for what it has taught you, but that its presence is no longer necessary and that you have released it.
I have allowed my imagination to run wild with fear. It has taught me a great deal, even though I was filled with pure terror. At one point, it felt as if someone was standing above me, ready to stab a sword through my tired body. The presence felt very real. This showed me something about myself. I am afraid of suffering. This is a fear I wish to overcome. We are all afraid of something, and only by confronting those fears can we overcome our own darkness. Once we overcome our own, the rest probably shouldn't be too much of a problem, as we will probably not have to deal with it as much.
Fear attracts fear. Most people here probably know that. As Robert Bruce says, "like attracts like." If a person works on their fears and resolves them, then it is far less likely that they will be attacked by negs.
Anything is possible, especially when doubt is not present.
I cannot think of anything else to say here. I am just offering my view. I hope some of you find some kind of value in them. To the rest, sorry for such a long post, but if you feel your time was wasted, well, change your perception of time and you should be able to gain back whatever time you lost. Really though, everything happens at the same time, and there is only now. We can decide the order in which things happen. You can decide that before your watch ticks another five seconds, you will go down to the store and do your weekly shopping. As you pull into your driveway, your watch finishes ticking its five seconds.
Now is the only time that exists. All other time does not exist. Besides that, even if it did exist, what would it matter? Now is the only time in which one can affect the future (and therefore the past, eventually). One can change their perception of time with enough practice. There are exercises for this. I'm sure Robert Bruce has already experimented with this. I have not read many of his works, but of what I have read, I like what he has written.
I will stop typing now. (cue applause here)