Demonic Possession: need some help about that

[Kazbadan]

Hi guys! There are many experienced obers and many sage people used to the paranormal life. These guys that i speak about are so good that they do not accept everything, every theorie. And even if they use paranormal as explanation to a lot of things, thay still use scientific explanations first, if thats the best option. Thats the kind of people that i need to this thread, and another similar that (if i have the time) will create later. That thread, will be related with this one, but 1st i need you guys to honestly answer this question (later i will explain the reasons for the question, maybe on the second thread):

1What are your beliefs about demonic possession? How do you see it?
2IF its a paranormal stuff (demons indeed, atacking people, etc) how do they  happen and why?
3Is there any real protecyion against it?
4what about people that are attacked while meditating (i read that somewhere)? is that possible?
5do obes help or do worst against possession? how can you help someone with that?

this is not just simple theorical questions. I am trying to understand what happened with a person that i know. Thank you (my sedond thread will be about that specific case...not crazy stuff like movies, but something to wory about)

[itheblaze]

My ex-husbands sister, who is a witch, went to a party. As she walked into the front door, a demon jumped in her. She, who has never played an instrument in her life, suddenly felt an urge to play the piano there in the living room. As she sat down she said the demon took over, and into 3am she played song after song, while everyone sang. Then she felt the demon jump out, and she could play no more. Not only do demons exist in her life, she summons them to do her bidding. For someone who hasn't given their soul over to satan they aren't going to be so friendly. Thats why God's Angels and Higher Guides proctect and assist us whatever plain we are in. You know if a negative entity or in this case a demon has latched on or possessed a person. You will have thoughts and ideas and feelings that are not your own. If your life is filled with hate and bitterness, your are opening a dark doorway. Love and forgiving your fellow man is the key. Sprinkle the person with Holy Water,Annoint where the third eye is with olive oil in the sign of a cross. Pray The Lord's Prayer and in Jesus's Name command the demon to leave. If the demon doesn't leave fast for a day and try again.  Good Day, and blessings.

[Mydral]

My ex-husbands sister, who is a witch, went to a party. As she walked into the front door, a demon jumped in her. She, who has never played an instrument in her life, suddenly felt an urge to play the piano there in the living room. As she sat down she said the demon took over, and into 3am she played song after song, while everyone sang. Then she felt the demon jump out, and she could play no more. Not only do demons exist in her life, she summons them to do her bidding. For someone who hasn't given their soul over to satan they aren't going to be so friendly. Thats why God's Angels and Higher Guides proctect and assist us whatever plain we are in. You know if a negative entity or in this case a demon has latched on or possessed a person. You will have thoughts and ideas and feelings that are not your own. If your life is filled with hate and bitterness, your are opening a dark doorway. Love and forgiving your fellow man is the key. Sprinkle the person with Holy Water,Annoint where the third eye is with olive oil in the sign of a cross. Pray The Lord's Prayer and in Jesus's Name command the demon to leave. If the demon doesn't leave fast for a day and try again.  Good Day, and blessings.

If it would be that easy we would all be happy and eat cherry pie don't you think?

How come the most peaceful people don't have a God?
Did you ever see a Buddhist monk battle a demon or do an Excorsim?

Before linking all your troubles to some outer source and then believing that some water and some sign will  help you get over it look inside yourself first. How can you have thoughts, ideas and feelings which are not your own (Empath not included here, although thats also highly sceptical to me)?? They are your own, its called human nature.
How come everyone always tries to find someone or something else to blame stuff on? I guess thats human nature too.......

[CFTraveler]

Hi guys!

Well, let me tell you I'm no expert at anything, can only offer what I've seen and what I thought/believed about it at the time.

1What are your beliefs about demonic possession? How do you see it?

If you mean a demon demon (not just a simple astral wildlife neg) it's a mystery to me.  I have dealt with what seemed to be demonic and got out ok (I think) but never dealt with possession issues, so IDK about that.  I have met a person with Multiple Personality Disorder, and it seemed like possession- at the point in my life I knew her some bad stuff was happening and I just got away from her.

2IF its a paranormal stuff (demons indeed, atacking people, etc) how do they  happen and why?

In her case, she was (IMO) already not dealing properly with her problems, and I believe it opened her to it.  (In other words, emotional pain and problems with perception.  But I couldn't be sure it wasn't mental illness).

3Is there any real protecyion against it?

In my case I tried passive countermeasures (wards and such) but what finally stopped the stuff was talking to it face to face.  I had to get over my fear and tried communication.  After that the situation changed considerably.

4what about people that are attacked while meditating (i read that somewhere)? is that possible?

I don't know what's possible, but I don't think so.  I think meditation is a discipline that makes the conscious mind and subconscious mind blur, (in other words, it brings in consciousness where only subconscious proccesses were there before).  The result in someone who is unbalanced can be disastrous, since it can bring awareness of things that were blissfully hidden.  It's like being afraid of the dark not knowing why, and suddenly being confronted with what you're really afraid of- in the dark and while paralyzed.  Any instability is bound to bite you.  I think that the idea of meditation as dangerous comes from the (wrong) idea that you can empty the mind, and then something can slip in.  Frankly, you can't empty the mind, you just adjust how you perceive your processes.  "Quiet" is not the same as empty, and the brain won't stop unless you're dead.

5do obes help or do worst against possession? how can you help someone with that?

This goes back to how stable you are.  The OBE state brings not only the subconscious creations to you 'in living color', but it also may make you confront the scary stuff that you don't know was in there.  Add an external beastie- if you want to handle that more power to you, but you better be very stable.

this is not just simple theorical questions. I am trying to understand what happened with a person that i know. Thank you (my sedond thread will be about that specific case...not crazy stuff like movies, but something to wory about)

Well, I hope that this helps you in some way and blessings to your friend.

[CFTraveler]

Mydral wrote: 

How come the most peaceful people don't have a God?

Because they meditate daily and a lot.  Studies showed that people that meditate regularly are more peaceful than others that didn't, and of all the religions buddhist monks scored highest.  I can't remember but I think IONS ran the study.  But I could be wrong about that.  But belief in a deity had no effect.

Did you ever see a Buddhist monk battle a demon or do an Excorsim?

Actually, Tibetan Buddhists do have exorcisms and believe in demons (tulpas coming to mind here) and they are a kind of buddhist.
BTW, not all kinds of buddhists are atheists.  Mahayana buddhists believe in the Atman.  Most others don't.

[Kazbadan]

In Atman? whats that?

So, in your opinion  guys, having and healthy mental life is enough to fight possession?is that so?

[CFTraveler]

In Atman? whats that?

So, in your opinion  guys, having and healthy mental life is enough to fight possession?is that so?

The Atman is the primordial unchanging transcendental reality.  In other words, God. For more info, see:  http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/GLOSSARY/ATMAN.HTM

[CFTraveler]

Kazbadan asked: 

So, in your opinion  guys, having and healthy mental life is enough to fight possession?is that so?

I don't know if it's enough, but it certainly is a good place to be in if you're going to tangle with it anyway.  And a heaping helping of Love is good too.

[Kazbadan]

but i still dont get: which are the conditions for one being possessed?

what can someone do to fight that?

and preventention? is there anyone?

[itheblaze]

Would you please post the 2nd thread so we all can get a better understanding? Blessings.

[Mydral]

but i still dont get: which are the conditions for one being possessed?

There are no conditions. There is just human nature. If you feel alot of anger, frustration etc. for no apperant reason there is something wrong inside of you but your not beeing influenced by an outer force.
Self analysis is BS anyway since theoretically if you are possed you would not know about it and if others told you you would not believe it.

what can someone do to fight that?

Find the problem and deal with it. Find it in yourself and DO NOT try to link it to outer sources, especially when those forces are paranormal. Meditation makes you more peacefull.

and preventention? is there anyone?

A positive look at life, staying away from stress, meditation, staying away from people which can influence you negativly, a healthy diet, a healthy body, a healthy mind.


Oh and btw: Tulpas are not demons.
"Tulpas are more or less ephemeral creations which may take different forms: man, animal, tree, rock, etc., at the will of the magician who created them, and behave like the being whose forms they happen to have. These tulpas coexist with their creator and can be seen simultaneously with him. In some cases they may survive him, or, during his life, free themselves from his domination and attain a certain independence."

"Gods, demons, the whole universe, are but a mirage which exists in the mind, springs from it and sinks into it"

Quotes taken from: http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/tulpas.html

[Kazbadan]

thank you for the answers so far

[CFTraveler]

Mydral wrote: 

Oh and btw: Tulpas are not demons.
"Tulpas are more or less ephemeral creations which may take different forms: man, animal, tree, rock, etc., at the will of the magician who created them, and behave like the being whose forms they happen to have. These tulpas coexist with their creator and can be seen simultaneously with him. In some cases they may survive him, or, during his life, free themselves from his domination and attain a certain independence."

Tulpas (thoughtforms)  may not be demons in the christian way of looking at them but they are or can be considered negative entities, as the modern way of looking at negs can be, since modern theorists consider many or most types of negative manifestations to be thoughtforms created by the projector.  In fact, some of us believe the whole of creation is a thoughtform in itself, but we still tend to call the extra-nasties 'demons', which BTW is greek for 'spirit'.  This is why in my initial reply I asked:  Do you mean demon demons?  The point in my reply is that we shouldn't apply blanket statements to whole groups of people because there is usually some variation that will disagree with the statement, especially when the statement may be meant to declare a group as 'superior'.

[Sentinal]

Hi guys! There are many experienced obers and many sage people used to the paranormal life. These guys that i speak about are so good that they do not accept everything, every theorie. And even if they use paranormal as explanation to a lot of things, thay still use scientific explanations first, if thats the best option. Thats the kind of people that i need to this thread, and another similar that (if i have the time) will create later. That thread, will be related with this one, but 1st i need you guys to honestly answer this question (later i will explain the reasons for the question, maybe on the second thread):

1What are your beliefs about demonic possession? How do you see it?
2IF its a paranormal stuff (demons indeed, atacking people, etc) how do they  happen and why?
3Is there any real protecyion against it?
4what about people that are attacked while meditating (i read that somewhere)? is that possible?
5do obes help or do worst against possession? how can you help someone with that?

this is not just simple theorical questions. I am trying to understand what happened with a person that i know. Thank you (my sedond thread will be about that specific case...not crazy stuff like movies, but something to wory about)

1. I have seen it. You do have to try and seperate those with a mental disturbance from the real thing though.
2. There are entities that are drawn to negative emotions and situations.
3. Yes, it takes time to learn though. If you have an imediate problem you would do better getting help from someone more experienced.
4. Meditation can sometimes open up abilities and create disturbances that will attract attention.
5. obes will not help the situation, it may make it worse.

A good energy worker is best equiped to deal with the situation. You should also look up information on shielding.

[Kazbadan]

i do not disagree with you but now i am getting confused because i read opposed answers here or in other sources...wowo! lolbut thanks!

[Hagethuriel]

1What are your beliefs about demonic possession? How do you see it?

Imho ,
full possession is extremely rare and includes posession of the will , body and soul but not the spirit which may remain unattached at the source . Negative attachments however are prevalent and may be temporary , longstanding or teratogenic in nature . I do not believe it is a desired or permanent state . I feel that neg attachments are much more common than realised . The true neg attachment is generally a consequence of choice and action but innocents can also be attached or attacked through opportunity by lower chaotic negs . Higher demonics do not afflict the innocents but target so that the punishment fits the crime . That is a rapist has a particular demon and a child abuser has a particular demon .
ie ;
It is not random that a child is born into a child abusing family . They can choose then to heal the family or perpetuate the terror . Teachers are taught that 1 in 3 children will be interfered with in this manner . A huge number of societal problems begin with the enabling mothers and the abusing fathers who create criminals and sociopaths . The victim and the abuser are both negatively attached . The victim can heal self and others and become stronger . The abuser is punished in this life and the next as is the enabler . One method of punishment is to become the victim in the next life and hopefully see how much this hurts and begin the healing process .

2 IF its a paranormal stuff (demons indeed, atacking people, etc) how do they  happen and why?

Teratogenic possession may occur so that the neg infests parasitically in the dna and in these cases the parents are both attached at the time of conception . The demon grows on the spine of the embryo and becomes linked to it symbiotically . More commonly occurring attachments occur when people are violent  and or substance abusers . Those who black out with alchohol or recreational drugs are especially prone to negative attachments . Those who have been sexually abused may be attached . Those who are abusers and rapists are generally attached . Many criminally insane are attached . Negative emotions are hate , fear , rage , grief , anxiety , despair , thoughts of violence towards others . Negative emotions are food for the negative entities and attract them .

3Is there any real protecyion against it?

Yes , right thought , right action .Those who live lives of love and service are able to sustain attack and not become attached . The more that one serves humanity the stronger one becomes . Through love , light , service we become stronger and our energy body becomes stronger and less prone to attack , influence or attachment . Also we are better able then to protect our homes , our bodies and our loved ones .Metaphysical  Service includes , healing , teaching , sharing , generosity , exoricism  etcetera . Community service of time , money and loving attention is vitally sustaining  also . 

4what about people that are attacked while meditating (i read that somewhere)? is that possible?

Evocation of demons , working without protection , meditation under the influence of narcotics and alchohol ,and projecting to lower realms are examples of activities that will cause attachment during meditation . But one who is protected and enters a meditative trance while thinking of higher positive emotions such as love , generosity , compassion , tolerance and kindness will not be attacked .

5do obes help or do worst against possession? how can you help someone with that?

All practice if done in love and light helps . All energy work ie meditation , projection , healing , manifestation , magick , exorcism , etc. will help to increase the light quotient of the human energy body and thus sustain and protect it and help you to protect others too . Right thought , right action and projecting to the higher realms to learn from avatars , mahatma and angels will help you to protect and increase prosperity and wellbeing . To be healthy , heal others . To be prosperous , be generous . To be loved , love with all your heart . To be safe , protect others . As you do so shall you be . No one ever asks for help to exorcise an angel . Angels can help us learn to heal , project , protect and learn .

How come the most peaceful people don't have a God?Did you ever see a Buddhist monk battle a demon or do an Excorsim?

I agree with CFT on this completely . First Budda spoke about demons and their dangers . Secondly Buddhas of both genders are called upon for exorcism and today as in the past Buddhist monks do perform exorcisms . It is a prevalent myth that Demons are an Abrahamic construct . Demons are eternal and are part of the belief system of many cultures and religions across time including the most ancient belief systems . A simple googling will demonstrate that , semantics aside . ie try googling with the keywords Buddha demons exorcism .

But most importantly , I do not believe that most peaceful people have no God . I do not believe that it is possible to have peace and love without a connection to the Godhead from which these emanations derive . The light is sentient consciousness enter into it and know God . The shadow is confusion and negative emotions ; turn away from it and know God .  How far can a bear run into the woods before he is running out again ? "There are two paths you can go back but in the long run , there's still time to change the road you're on .-Led Zeppelin  " All paths lead to God eventually .

[Sentinal]

i do not disagree with you but now i am getting confused because i read opposed answers here or in other sources...wowo! lolbut thanks!

Like many subjects, you will get a lot of conflicting information. It will be up to you to decide which is accurate. My suggestion would be to see what rings true with what you feel

[Kazbadan]

What i feel its always the best choice...thats the reason for my preocupation. Anyway, thanks to all of you guys

[Mydral]

Look God is always two-sided.... great love on one side, the cause of millions of deaths (look at the wars fought in the past and today) on the other side.
If you don't have a God, but are still spiritual, you eradicate the bad side.
Hence the most peacefull people on earth do not have a God.

[snowkiwi]

I guess I'm too late for this thread.  Hagethuriel  are you still there?  I'm not fully possessded, but partially possessed and trying to fight it.  It's been about 4 years now, but it seems like it's just been getting stronger over the years.  I feel it as a pressure in my head, and anytime I want to think good thoughts, it's almost like there is a barrier being constructed in my mind that I have to break myself through to think those good thoughts - does that make sense?  It's like altering or channeling my mind (by constructing direction barriers) to think lower frequency thoughts all the time, and pressuring my mind in that direction. To think good thoughts, I have to break through the direction barrier, met with a lot of pressure in my mind.  I read Practical Psychic Defense by Robert Bruce, but I really feel to weak, undetermined and undisplined to do it every day to win.  I am a good person, and always try to change myself to do good.  Every thing wrong in myself I know about, I try to change.  But I feel I only have a 2 years before it takes over.  I live near Seattle Washington.  I've been trying to find exorcists to help me.  But so far, no luck anywhere.  I was also thinking about hiring Sylvia Browne to help me to understand what is going on and to suggest who to call, and know my future, but her waiting list is about 4-7 years, and Chris Dufrane is also in the months to years.  Anyone can help?  Meditation is so hard now that I can't do it.  Everytime I just to settle into a calm state, I've overloaded with sexual discomfort.  It hurts I guess you can say.  I pray to God more than I use to now, but I don't feel I fighting a winning battle.  I don't know what to do.  Any help would be good.

Donnie

[DejaClaireVoyant]

1What are your beliefs about demonic possession? How do you see it?

I've been possessed before. I don't know if it was a "demon". It was a negative entity, I'll say that much.

2IF its a paranormal stuff (demons indeed, atacking people, etc) how do they  happen and why?

I can't speak for other people. It happened for me because I let my guards down in a big way, was going through a very vulnerable time in my life, and they have always been around me, waiting to jump on if they can. It's like moths and the flame, these things and myself. It truly seems I get attacked whenever I let my guard down. I was so messed up during this time I just totally let it in, and then didn't do anything about it for such a long time that it gradually took over my actions, and by the time I noticed, it was too late and I lost the will to care (I only survived because a friend of mine, a healer, "demon fighter" and fellow "see-er" took me after I collapsed in front of him and banished the thing out of my body). Crazy huh? Yeah I do sound crazy. It's crazy to have lived it, but it really happened. Possession sounds so hollywood. But yeah. It does happen. Like I said before, the thing that took me didn't really feel "demonic". It's hard to explain, it was more like a "leech" with a conciousness.

3Is there any real protecyion against it?

Yes. God. The light. God. (To me "God" is just universal love, I don't really have a religion or anything. I believe there is truth and fallacy in all religions and the truth comes from letting go and seeing the big picture)

4what about people that are attacked while meditating (i read that somewhere)? is that possible?

Of course. Why wouldn't it be? I guess you could be attacked anytime.


5do obes help or do worst against possession? how can you help someone with that?

I'm not sure I can answer this question. The only OBE's were not under my own control but at the hands of God or some sort of positive influence (I guess what people would think of as spirit guides or angels). I've never chosen to have an OBE. I wouldn't, based on my experiences in life. I know I probably have the power to do so, but I want to give my life up to God. God can lead me, and in return I'll have protection and love and guidance along my path. I don't feel like I should "try" to have visions..they come to me when they are supposed to.