evil eye & psychic attack

[Winged_Wolf]

That very much depends....much of the time "evil eye" is little more than superstition, usually directed against some innocent person who seems odd.
In the occasional culture where persons try to use it deliberately, it's as likely to be a magickal attack as a psychic one.  (That is, utilizing associative actions/elements and drawing on outside energies).


--Winged Wolf

[Murphy]

I don't follow.

I was told by totally separate seers at at different times and places, that I was given an evil eye as a child.

The way I understand it, people with the power to cast an evil eye are often unaware of their power, & do so unwittingly by feeling resentment or jealousy at any given time.

Children are supposed to be particularly vulnerable.

Indeed, since childhood I've suffered unusually uncanny & too-overstimulating jinxacles involving precision-timing working against me. Either NO action or tons of action. It wouldn't just rain, but also pour - in spades. Countless, endless times.

The jinxacles took a terrible toll on my life in terms of stress. (in addition to all sorts of genetically inherited chronic conditions, probably triggered prematurely by stress.)

Everyone keeps talking of psychic attack in terms of satanism & possession, without acknowledging those in society who've had the above type of manifestations.

And you better believe, I'm not the only one. A number of people have contacted me that they have had similar experiences as myself.

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[Winged_Wolf]

My mentor once said that synchronicity follows psychics like flies follow ...well, you get the point.
"Extreme luck", it's called--extremely good, or extremely bad, often alternating.  MANY psychics "suffer" from this.  What is it?  Perhaps it's random probability alteration effects.  Truth is, we don't know--but we ARE pretty sure it isn't "the evil eye", nor anything someone did to us as a child--it's far too ubiquitous.

Other common psychic traits:  "Weirdness magnet"--odd things happen to you more often than to others.  And of course, shorting out electronics, that's common, too.

My grandmother and mother both had something like the ability you describe, but they were fully aware of it.  If someone ticked them off enough for them to hold a grudge, that person was NOT going to have a good time.
The "cure"?  Train your abilities, and thus gain control over them.  Half of control is NOT doing something when you DON'T mean to do it.


--Winged Wolf

[Rob]

Hi Murphy,
I read you site, and you do indeed sound like a very unlucky person. I think something like this is similar to a curse, and if I remember right you have to find out who did it to you and why. For this you will either need to find a real pro, or go looking yourself. Perhaps the akashic records could tell you - if you can project. Or get someone who can to do it for you.
Good luck!

[Murphy]

Inguma, it looks like you're the only one on-target with respect to my situation. I mean, WingedWolf is talking as though I'm psychic or have psychokinesis or something. Why are people so quick to draw conclusions?

His theory might explain why something happens simultaneous to thinking it, or why electronics might go haywire. It does NOT explain bad luck such as:
JUST in the week when I'm due to go somewhere, that's when something I'd been looking for for years in the classifieds becomes available, causing frustration. And people never getting back to me. And buses or grocery vans not showing up ONLY at the times I'm waiting for them (as I know cuz I verify from bystanders that "this has never happened before - it's the first time") while those bystanders (at separate times & places of course) don't realize that I might as well be hearing a tape recording of what I'd heard countless times before.

Regarding what you said about finding out who gave me the curse & why, one of the seers had told me I was given the evil eye as an 8-year old child, but absolutely refused to divulge any more info other than the fact that it was a young woman who gave it to me. He said it's forbidden for him to divulge the info. (I noticed that he had the ability to roll his eyes until they disappeared & only the whites of his eyes showed.)

It infuriates me that the bad people (in this case the curser) win against their victims. Joe was right for asking "where's the angelic defense?"

Since I'm not psychic, I can't access the akashic records.

I wonder why there isn't ONE website which advises people how to deal with long-standing curses that had been given them as a child? Or is there? (Is there a way to negate long-standing curses without resorting to witchcraft - which I'm wary of?) Also note that I had been told by separate seers at separate times & places that there's a negative spirit in my house.

P.S. So I guess curses & evil eye are one & the same? correct?
I.E. curses are evil eyes
BUT psychic attack is neither a curse nor an evil eye?

(I realize that this is just a matter of semantics, of course.)

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[Rob]

Hi Murphy

"Inguma, it looks like you're the only one on-target with respect to my situation. I mean, WingedWolf is talking as though I'm psychic or have psychokinesis or something. Why are people so quick to draw conclusions?"

I think the definitive answer to this is that people draw conclusion with respect to what they know from personal experience. If your problem lies outside these bounds, they will try and give advice which relates to what they know, which might not be entirely accurate. I do not know whether the "evil eye" and curse are the same, but strongly suspect that this is simply a matter of different vocabulary.
I have NO idea why that seer you saw refused to divulve more information, to me this seems quite inhumane. I mean, what damage could giving more info cause, especially when compared to the possibility for positive change.
With respect to the akashic records, you would only need to be able to astral project, so if you like you could see this as a sort of test. Once you can get there, it may be that your potential to change your situation is greatly enhanced. I am sorry but I have no experience in this area, and so cannot help you further. Perhaps RB may be able to add something (?), I do not know.

Though I do think that psychic attack is a very different animal, in that what you are exeriencing is a long standing continuous force, where as an attack is a sudden temporary situation, very noticeable for what it is.

Again, I wish you all the best

Rob

[Murphy]

Attn. Inguma (Rob)

(by the way, thanks for your listening ear!)

In response to what you said:

I'm nowhere near being able to astrally project. I'm like at the other end of the pole.

One seer had mentioned that "everything is closed off to me" (whatever that meant). He had also clenched his fists and was vibrating (as if fighting against something).

A number of them seemed scared (as if they were able to see something scary beyond my shoulder that was invisible to me).

I've tried contacting Evelyn Paglini (she gave out her email address on Art Bell) but she never responded to my email.

So you see? I tried to get help - but no dice.

In fact, one of the numerous diabolical aspects of my luck is that nobody gets back to me (as if my communications are tampered with).

Furthermore, most of the time, the ones who do respond to me are either imbeciles, or else argumentative, non-empathetic types (who use sophistication as a weapon). It's as if the goal of my invisible torturer(s) is to deplete my energy & disillusion me.


P.S. Regarding what you said about RB responding, that's up to him. Thus far, he hasn't responded to any of my posts, perhaps because they're outside his realm. Perhaps for some other reason? who knows?

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Edited by - Murphy on 01 March 2002  03:22:51

[Rob]

Hi again!

I had another thought: when you get up in the mornings - banish your bad luck, before you eat lunch - banish your bad luck, before you go to sleep....well you get the idea. You are human, and I do not know your psychology but everything is most certainly not closed off to you. Some things may be more difficult, but everyone and everything living has its own inherant power and energy. I do not know whether you know anything about banishing, but the lesser banishing ritual of the pentegram is supposed to be very good for general clearing, I am learning it on and off at the moment. I find it very hard to visualise a pentegram though, so have made a few picture files (which I use as a background - just uploaded it for you, can be found at www.blanc.demon.co.uk/realpentagramblack.bmp ).
Oh, and pray every night, strengthen your connection to your higher self, learn to love yourself, etc.

"(by the way, thanks for your listening ear!) "
Hey, I am here to help! Interesting, I felt a certain lack of inertia to respond to your last post, and so ignored it and made a greater effort to write back.


"I'm nowhere near being able to astrally project. I'm like at the other end of the pole."
How so? You have the ability to do whatever you set your mind to my friend! Nothing in life has so far convinced me otherwise of this, but hours may need to be put in...

"A number of them seemed scared (as if they were able to see something scary beyond my shoulder that was invisible to me)."
This is very odd. If you want to send me details about yourself (full name, age, photo perhaps, location, etc) I may be able to get in touch with some skilled scryers who could perhaps tell us more. I could even try a bit of divination myself, eg to see if I can identify who it was who did it to you (I am not sure how accurate this will be, I am sure a photo would be helpful though)

"It's as if the goal of my invisible torturer(s) is to deplete my energy & disillusion me"
I assume you heard RB's interview - he talked specifically about this sort of curse, like causing reality fluctuations around you, and screwing up your associations with universal lore. Nasty stuff, yes.

I hope this helps, in some way!



Edited by - Inguma on 03 March 2002  01:40:13

[Florian]

Hey Murphy !

I guess you want to get rid of this as fast as possible, hmm ?
And there's 2 general possibilities to do it... do it yourself or let someone else do it. I'd go for both.

Keep trying to reach someone who's able to help you, but at the same time, invest time & effort in the developement you need to get rid of that crap.

If you schedule 2 hours per day (preferrably same time each day, as this way your mind gets accustomed to it faster and discipline problems are less), to practice energyraising, willpower/concentration(important!) and maybe do, as Inguma suggested a little magick (Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram and maybe the Middle Pillar ritual might be a good idea - you can find them both in Donald Michael Kraig's Modern Magic for example), you can be shure that you'll beat that SOMEWHEN at least. Probably not even far in the future.


Happy curse bashing

Florian

[Winged_Wolf]

You're right--I did assume you had some psi ability.  I should've asked.
But there are an awful lot of "weak psis" out there who have just a smidgen of ability, but all of the more annoying side-effects as mentioned.  *shrug*
It's not impossible that you were cursed....but is there any particular reason someone would have done that?
And are you sure you're counting up your good luck as well as your bad?  


--Winged Wolf

[Dachs]

I once read me a book called the secrets of the smaeri,where they taught the evil eye as a martial art, war face,war yell, and psychic attack called hargie, where one Sameri sends his will onto another and overpowers that persons will, shuting down his high cognitive skills, creating fear, you see where this is going Murp. Dachsholiday

Dr

[Rob]

Ooops I forgot to say the main reason I use that picture file of a pentegram to help visualising: If you stare hard at it for a minute or two, then close you eyes, you can see the afterimage quite clearly. Then you can try and keep it there, which helps tremendously for those with problems creating it in their minds eye, and the mind gets used to seeing/creating it, speeding things up a lot.
Further, the picture I uploaded was not the right one, but the link has been corrected now.

Fastwalker: Personally if I see someone who is acting down, I assume there is a reason for it, and try and help them for no other reason. Naively trusting perhaps, but thats me. Also, to put a brave face on it is usually just that.
Blessings to you too!

[Murphy]

Inguma, uh, I may contact you.

As to the rest:

I have been simultaneously a simple & complex person my whole life.

I've been a simpleton with respect to matters which interest others: Facts (which are often "illusions" dressed as "facts"), finance, luxuries.

I've been complex in the respect that, since childhood, I'd always be sort of deeper thinking - the type to have fantasies, ideas, hunches, and to figure out the end of a story before someone would say it (NOT via PSI which I lacked, but rather on the basis of the story's content, from which I'd cull various facts & put 2 & 2 together).

I also never really had a grasp of humanity's baser nature until the past decade or so, especially the advent of Internet, though I was often capable (as some people were not) of understanding that others' tendencies are often based upon their physical abilities or limitations (or environmental upbringing) whatever the case may have been.

So, as you can see, I've always more or less known myself.

But all of you don't really know me, nor the sum total of my experiences, yet you've been offering advice.

How on earth can I be expected to respond, then? It would be too frustrating. Some things are beyond the scope of words especially on a public forum. So I hope y'all understand why I'm declining to respond individually. Thanks, & especially thanks to those of you who answered supportively & non-judgmentally!

P.S. Now, if there were a soulpalfinder site available (modelled on my demo site) that might be another matter, cuz I'd recognize a true soulpal if I'd "see" one. If one exists, that is!

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Edited by - Murphy on 03 March 2002  03:03:35

[Dachs]

many great ones spoke in parabels, big bird robin little bird sing big bee zoom and little be sting, what's good for a head in a holler? product of bad score on psycometric test, if you appeared smart you were cheating, compliments of selffilling prophesese and the educational automaton in arkansas. It was great fun to feed them the works of the masters and give him a D. Who is the father of Psycological warefare? Dachs.

Dr

[Advent]

warfare beeetweeen what the thinking was and lack of where better to go for eyes that can or not see. thought wrought, tough will to win through to a perfect circle really is the only solution. treading through water and in attempting thought wellication in beeetweeen to find the better way. by the way now and nothing more. try it meer feed.

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[goku22]

I have no idea what dachs and advent are talking about, this post is for Murphy. Did you ever see that movie with Martin Short, in which he has to track down that girl with the really bad luck, using his own horrible luck? The only difference I see between your situation and his is that he keeps a positive attitude about it all (and that it was a movie of course). Yeah, sucky stuff happens to you all the time, perhaps that's your test, to stay positive and humor-filled, despite everything. The only real hurt you get through your situation is the one thing that these entities can't do by themselves, making you angry, frustrated, sad, whatever. They can't just make these emotions appear from nowhere, you have to produce them for them. Perhaps that's why they hang around, they get a nice meal of powerful emotions everyday. Just trying to help.  Ben

[travrai blue robes]

murphy, at least a part of the problem is your centering the view in the self, so to speak. your luck does not sound that uncommonly bad at all. in fact it just seems like you are attibuting things we all have to deal with, to being, in your case only - a curse. the length you've gone to validate this as the truth only reinforces your troubles. take it easy! let yourself get out of the self-evaluation and deep thinking mode for awhile. You need some natural balance, and balance right now is for you to no longer be self-concerned and introspective. It is a time for you to not worry about anything serious, to indulge in materialism and earthy existence, this will ground you and help your energies get stable and confident again because they aren't constantly being second-guessed by your mind.

[Murphy]

Q: Is evil eye & psychic attack really the same thing in so many different words?


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