Examples of successful treatments for neg attacks

[kakkarot]

for me, fighting back: energy against energy, ideology against ideology, rational against unrational, logic against confusion, faith against doubt, hope against dispair, and good-will feelings against ill-will feelings.

of course, it's not always easy to muster a defense let alone a counter offensive if you're already, for instance, disparaging something and some spirit tries to push you further into depression.

~kakkarot

[James S]

Thanks Kakkarot.
This is the kind of thing I'm looking for. Methods that YOU KNOW have worked. Could I ask please that you might be able to expand a little by giving one specific instance of a conflict that you've triumphed over?


After a couple of queries I though it might be best to un-jargon things a little here. The term 'neg attack' can have many connotations, so I'll expand the idea out.

The kind of experiences I'd like to see posted here can be anything from problems with negs, as in malicious entities or spirits, to human psychic attacks, to internal emotional or mental conflicts.

All such instances are valid here as they all involve negative energies that can pull us down and need to be overcome.

Regards,
James.

[Nay]

[] Ok, I will give my example..but I already posted it in the "other" thread.  Hope I don't offend by double posting.

I projected into a house, that had those windows that cover the whole wall. Very beautiful place, with the ocean beyond the windows. I was standing there and saw a man on the other side of the window. I felt a bit apprehensive but nothing I was going to dwell on. Then next thing I know, he is in the room standing infront of me. He pushed me down on a ottoman and was on top of me,holding my arms down above my head. I struggled but couldn't get him off, he then brought his face down to mine, and I thought he was going to try and kiss me, but instead he started to let his spit drool into my mouth. Yeah, that was really gross, would have much preferred the kiss.  Well, I was getting worried and frankly grossed out and just said out loud. "God will help me" and poof, he melted away.

Strange that I haven't thought about that in months. Maybe that is the key, stop giving it life with the power of your thoughts. I also had something sucking on my shoulder once in the Astral, and there was a mark on my arm while in the Astral, but once I came back to my physical, there wasn't anything. Once again, I haven't thought about these experiences for months. I always just went on with my hum-drum life.

So, my way of getting rid of "negs"  Don't give them another thought.  If I come across one that just won't leave me alone, I guess I will have to think on my feet and cross that bridge when I come to it.

Oh, another thing I do is surround myself in white light before bed and before attempting any projections.  I also surround myslef in mirrors that face outward to deflect ANY negativity.

Nay []

[shedt]

I hope this is what you are looking for. I find the best for me is my awareness. Being aware that something external may be influencing me helps alot.

My thoughts, feelings etc.

I don't know if i have been under a psyhic attack, but i have had times where it felt like something was "pushing my buttons" more then normally.

I've never been under any direct attack that i know of, so i really don't know more then this.

[Mick]

One accounts that may be of interest is the following.
A number of years ago I had worked with someone who demonstrated some interesting abilities such as being able to view remote points and the like. They had over time had a number of experiences including a few negative episodes but in general lived their life as they chose.

After having moved on to another company for two or so years, one day this person was on my mind a lot and I spoke to my partner about it. We decided to contact this person and see how they were. Upon doing this they quickly started explaining that they were somewhat stressed and were having problems with their metabolism. The blood pressure and heart rate was all over the place. In an attempt to investigate  this they were wearing a portable monitor and were due to return it for analysis that day. They had previously had in hospital tests which showed no physical problems. As it happened I had come across this before and it would normally be considered self induced but due to the swings also occuring during sleep this was ruled out. Anyway this person was desperated and they reported in hindsight that they were becoming suicidal.
I ended the phone call to discuss with my partner and later called the person back. I was located about 30 miles away and viewed the person at work and picked up on some links with signs of agression. Also checked this persons home and found further signs, an entity came into view and started moving towards the person at work. As they approached they formed a shaft/ spear like object, I warned the person that it was moving in and to brace themselves to expect a sharp pain. They reported the location as being in their back near their left shoulder which is what we also saw. It seemed that this had been happening fairly frequently and obviously causing distress.
we then focussed on the entity and attacked it using an energy method taught to us by our guides, this is something that we had done before and involves delivering a stream of energy to a point and causing it to disrupt the entity structure. Often when we do this the core of the entity slips out and is frequently gathered by discarnate others and taken away for attention. This was not a tough customer and there were no obvious signs of fellow types involved thus the person quickly got back to their life, their metabolsim stabilised and they have since met a new partner and they now have twins and are getting on with their lives.

For me this is an example of a forced intrusion into someones life and it was treated as such. This activity was supported by discarnate beings and they also worked to tidy up the locale.

[James S]

Mick, thank you. That's a good post.

Can you elaborate a little on the energy that you used against this attacking entity please? You say you sent a stream of energy. Would that be described as being like white light?

Thanks,
James.

[Mick]

quote:Originally posted by James S

Can you elaborate a little on the energy that you used against this attacking entity please? You say you sent a stream of energy. Would that be described as being like white light?

Hm, memory time here. Sometimes not so much sent as brought to the location. It is usually a translucent whitish colour but it does change for certain situations, sometimes a strong blue component and sometime very white. I am not one for the white versus black as I think that these are somewhat cultural terms, ask a person of black skin [?] It is the nature/sense of something that resonates for us rather than straight visual appearance not that we have not been thrown when something with a very black appearance shows up, reminds me of the old westerns where the good guys wore white and the bad guys wore black .

[Dark Knight]

I concur with Mick

I've seen my attackers use white light and Crim has reported the same.

Mick, thinking from a chemistry point of view I think some positive beings give off a whitish appearance because light is white, and bein positive you become a channel for that energy, no blocks. I think many negs take on a blackish hue because they are energy (light) eaters, all light absorbed, none passing through, they appear black (black, dark, absence of light).

[Mick]

Dark, that is an interesting thought. We sometimes use the term net contributors and net consumers to define some behaviour but this is simplistic as it does not take account of motivation good or bad.
In your example as you say we may well be interpreting radiance as good therefore white and the corrolary for absorbers. Just to confuse a radiator probably needs to source energy so it may be even more a matter of perspective i.e. at what level the process is observed

On the cultural thing, I worked with financial software and for Japanese users red is used to indicate a market price going up and green for going down. Had to make sure that we got that right

[findtruth]

You know how some negs feed off of fear? Well, I've been thinking about them for the past couple weeks or so, and I'm beginning to think that I had a fear-feeding neg that was attached to me for most of my young childhood.  I got rid of it about two years ago (I'm fourteen).  Anyway, whenever I was alone I would feel a negative presence.  Sometimes, however, it struck when someone was standing right next to me.  It didn't really matter, but I sensed it.  At times it would get to the point where it caused insomnia and as I got older, depression.  I started meditation when I was ten, but after I had a rather fightening vision during one, I didn't go back to meditating for several months.  There would always be times where I would fight it with will power, like a staring contest, but when I let my guard down, it would come back and start giving sensations of shivers running down my spine and fear.  It wasn't like this all the time, just when I wasn't distracted by other activities.  Anyhow, I eventually got fed up with it, and not having any clear idea what it was, I decided to stop being afraid and throw it off.  It took a few months, but by forsaking my fear and challenging it without allowing myself to doubt what I was doing, I was rid of it in a month or so.  

I use the same method for any other negs that come along.  I find that just by challenging them and controlling my emotions, they leave.  I just wish that I had been able to do that sooner.[]

[Mick]

quote:Originally posted by findtruth

I'm beginning to think that I had a fear-feeding neg...
Anyway, whenever I was alone I would feel a negative presence.  

Sometimes, however, it struck when someone was standing right next to me...

it would come back and start giving sensations of shivers running down my spine and fear.  It wasn't like this all the time, just when I wasn't distracted by other activities.

I think that this is a interesting account of methods that can be used and countered. I also think that it underlines the ideas of induced fear as part of the method in addition to any personal fear that might arise.

The role that distraction/ alternate activities play in making it harder for such methods has synergy with other techniques presented for defence. I sometimes thing that the running water solution by RB is effective because it is moving therefore not providing a static target.
The method whereby someone near (involuntarily) assists such methods is one that I have viewed, possibilities (avoiding absolutes here ) here are that it might be that that person is invading ones own space and providing for access past natural boundaries, another thought is that one person is used as a lever point to gain access to the other.

quote:
Anyhow, I eventually got fed up with it, and not having any clear idea what it was, I decided to stop being afraid and throw it off.  It took a few months, but by forsaking my fear and challenging it without allowing myself to doubt what I was doing, I was rid of it in a month or so.  

Sounds like congratulations are in order Making them work for it does look to see some of them off.

[findtruth]

Thanks.  I still regret not having gotten rid of it sooner, but I hope that sharing my experience will help others faced with similar problems.[|)]  Anyway, it was a lesson well learned.[xx(]

[Dark Knight]

Will can help, but will is dependent on your personal boundary structure,...something I knew before all this happened to me but couldn't put my finger on it after I was attacked.

What enables your will to exist is self confidence from experience and the knowledge of why boundaries dilineate the way they do. If a person is just starting out on a new lesson, and the boundaries aren't in place, the will isn't going to be there or be strong enough to fight back (you can't ask people to be strong for the hell of it, sucks up more energy you could be using to fight against a neg).

From what I've seen here, people on the cusp of a new lesson or ruined to the point of rebuilding aren't given the support they need to learn those lessons. I sure as hell didn't start growing or getting better until I got support. A person can't be forced into a situation where all they have to compromise with is themselves, where they are feeding off of themselves and being attacked by a neg. You have the room to walk away to think, feel, prioritize, and when you don't, you don't grow, you stagnate and die.  

Findtruth, you did the right thing, but keep in mind that not all attacks are like yours.

[Angelfire]

Thank you, James! I shall be watching these posts closely for the answers I seek.

In my case, my psychic shield, barrier was torn by some outside force which allowed it entrance to my mind. I have had enormous success this week after repairing my barrier and monitoring it. I tried much else, but found it was all countermeasures.

[quartzcrystalsun]

So far I haven't had too much trouble dealing with negs so I'll try to sum up my strategy when it comes to dealing with neg manifestations.

First off I take notice of exactly what type of attack it is.  This is so that I can assess the situation and determine how to proceed.  If the attack is a minor one I'll start with something simple like body awareness or astral hands.  If this meets the requirements I'll stay calm but alert and go about my day.  If the attack continues, I'll light some incense.  Cinnamon, frankincense and myrhh, and sage work well to name a few(keep in mind that the incense should be composed of the natural ingredients and not have too many other things added to it-natural foods stores or occult shops tend to carry pure incense).  Once the incense is lit I do a meditation or say a reverent prayer(I recommend Marrianne Williamson's book Illuminata: A Return to Prayer).  Another option for me at this point would be to do a banishment ritual or simply take a walk, specifically over running water(walking over and back a small bridge is excellent for this purpose).  

Crystals are excellent at filtering harmful energy and restoring positive vibrations, I have a large chunk of Amythest that cost only $40 at a Native American store which has been my saving grace more than once.  Crystals need to be purified, recharched, and programmed about once a month for maximum effeciency.  On the night of a new moon take the crystals and wash them under cold tap water with the intent of cleansing them of negative energy, place them in a bucket filled with spring water (or purified water) and blessed salt.  Leave them over night in the purifying salt water solution.  Twelve hours later remove the crystals and rinse any residual salt water off.  Recharge the energy of the crystals by placing them in direct sunlight if possible or if this is not possible by a window where they will recieve a healthy amount of sunshine, the longer you charge the better, in fact I've experiemented and found that my crystals work best if they get sunlight every day.  Moonlight is also wonderful for charging the crystals and every opportunity should be taken to immerse them in this energy as well.  Once the crystals have been charged and purified program the crystals by giving them your intentions such as "protect us from harm", or "purify this house" the stronger the emotion the stronger the crystals will respond to the programming(a loving intent seems to work best).

Herbs have worked wonders for me.  I prefer rosemary, margorram, cinnamon, clove, and thyme.  I try to keep these in my diet on an ongoing basis.  I buy these in bulk at natural foods stores and store in jars so I'm never left empty handed in an pinch.  I use them regularly in my cooking to keep them in my system for starters and supplement with homemade teas(just add one or more of the herbs to a coffee filter and let them filter through a coffee maker just like brewing coffee).  If you don't have a coffee maker on hand a french press or a pot of boiling water and a small strainer wil work.  I've found that certain herbs are stronger and hence more effective than others for instance rosemary seems to be unequalled in strength in my own personal experience.  In case of a strong neg attack I brew up a large pot of boiling water with one or more herbs together with a tiny amount of stimultating herb like ginger or mint.  This seems to get an entire area purified quite quickly and negs never seem to grasp whats happening and tend to ease up and usually abandon the attack at some point.  Also I higly recommend using Robert's advice and keeping shoes outdoors as neg use the feet as points of access.  I have discovered that using herbs under the soles of shoes works well, especially thyme as it errodes neg attachments.

Loud noise can break neg attacks quite well such as clapping the hands or turing on music to alter the energy in an area.  Singing a happy tune or chanting a mantra or religious song works as well.

Aside from this most of the other things I know are straight from the book but a hope this helps.

[James S]

quote:Originally posted by Dark Knight
Findtruth, you did the right thing, but keep in mind that not all attacks are like yours.

This is precisely the point of this topic.

It seems to me that like the techniques used in astral protection, there are no hard and fast rules to psychic defense, it's what works best for the person involved. Attacks are personal, and the responses are personal, so no two attacks or defences are going to be exactly alike.

The idea here is to build up a framework, guidelines based on what has worked in different situations so that we can at least put together some common elements and common cures.

quartzcrystalsun,
Thanks for that excellent post. There's a lot of good info there.
Many of the methods spoken of so far bring into play our own energies - willpower, visualisations, manipulating energy in the astral. What you have highlighted are techniques based in natural, or Earth magic, bringing into play some of the tools the earth has given us to use. This adds energies other than out own to the defence, and our Mother Earth has an abundance of these purifying and protective energies.

Regards,
James.

[SpectralDragon]

Breaking out of the patterns negs try to put you in has proven successfull in quite a few of the cases I have been involved in.

I am going to post one of my own attacks soon but It will be long.

[SpectralDragon]

This is QUITE personal but I think it's needed in this case. I tried to make it as impersonal as possible without ruining the idea.

First I have a long story in the shortest form I could make it. I write it to try to get it so you can understand the point of view of me back then, and it's hasty, so if it's very badly written and hard to understand please forgive. I might be a writer but.... I don't think going into the detail I usually do would work here. This happened when I was about 13-14 up to about 16-17 with the dream happening at about 16 and events before that leading up to it, so you could say my whole life's story is here in a way.

When there is a person who goes through an extremely rough part in life, in my case I was mistreated as a kid, which I will not go into detail about. A particular type of mistreatment goes on for about 5 years. I pray to god, whoever or whatever he may be, to help stop this. I try everything in My power to help yourself as well. Anything you try, however, just makes the situation worse. Eventually most of the good in you is used up, or locked away deep inside somewhere.

I decided to make one final appeal to god. He does not appear to answer or give any help of any kind. Frustrated, depressed, enraged, beaten, scared and scarred, you deny god. You want nothing to do with him anymore. Something inside snaps, and I had not only cosciously denied him, but my soul has as well.

For a few days the thought of becoming evil crossed the mind. After the second day my brother attacks me when trying to sleep, and I dismiss the thought of becoming evil. I do not want to become pure evil, but I need to use a good amount of evil to stop the evil that I see.

(from here out I am using another point of view to clarify personal feeling)

Since taking direct action against the parents you have, who you still wish to love but cannot, is impossible because of threats of becoming homeless with no support, you start taking action at the evil you see at school. Already being the target of a good amount of this, mostly from the torture the parents cause you at school though certain unnamed means, you set out to get at the problem without violence. Having a stroke of luck that week, your parents leave you alone and being a logical thinker you take pen and paper and start working on ways to hack at the problems logically.

You figure that out and things work most of the time, but sometimes not. One month after denial, you have a lucid dream. This dream lasts several nights, continuing from where you left off when you woke up. In this dream you are fighting to control a gate to another universe/world. Eventually you are the last one standing, and you enter the portal to another world.

At this point a voice and thought enter your mind, and you are given a choice. What are you going to do in/with this world. You think for several minutes just outside the gate. Finally, you decide to become a protector. You don't want to rule this world. You have no desire to. You simply want to protect. At this point you are now a dragon, a guardian, though you don't realize it.

from here you go straight into what you think is a second lucid dream. Several years later you realize it is the same dream. You are in the world, which means you have to protect against something. The two races currently existing are fighting each other. One side has apperently done something quite horrible to the other. Thinking you wish to keep peace and to abolish the evil you see, you join up with the side that had had the wrong done to. You fight with them, and because of your choice and that you are the guardian you have abilities the people in that world do not understand, and they know it. You eventually get to the center of the problem. After taking care of that you go to see to try to stop the fighting of a dragon, representative of the race you fought against, and a wolf, representing the race you fought for. They are spirit beings and you cannot fight them. Period. You watch. The dragon slays the wolf, and something snaps inside of you once again. You hear the familair voice that talked at the gate say the wolf was not getting things accomplished so the dragon took over.

You skip to several years ahead in the world, and you see dragon rep. people intermingling with wolf represented people secretely, but not doing any harm. Matter of fact they are doing much good. The "wolfs" don't understand what is happening. You do, and the thought often makes you smile. You leave the dream after seeing a dragon rep. lady caring for two wolf rep. children.

You constantly wonder what the dreams are about, and continue what you are working at in school, which seems to have become easy to a surprising extent. You talk to people about the dream. Some do not care, of course. All do not have answers.

1.5-2 years later life is looking much better. You have a reputation at school. Nobody likes messing with you, and you are still very much a loner. Something inside you seeks company, which you cannot understand. You have always been alone.

You start re-thinking about god. You decide to go on a spiritual search and find out the truths about god and the universe. This still goes today.

When first learning to AP, without aid of teacher and without previously knowing what it is you come across. negs, easily destroyed most of them. You start wondering why you kill so coldly when you realize that the being is evil in the astral. It gets you thinking about how you denied god at one point. Your first projection you were pulled out by two entities.

So why is this happening? This caused inner demons to form, and I had inner demons to deal With ALREADY.

A little while later I consciously met my guide for the first time. I was walking down the street of a big town with my friend (keep in mind my friend is and was very curious about this stuff, and wanted to know what was going on and why I was acting so wierd. I did tell him) I get attacked. I have a natural ability to walk and pay attention to walking and AP at the same time. At that time it halfed any power I had in the astral, though. All the negs and thought forms were too much for me to handle, and at the moment I thought they would catch up to me Kereen shielded them off. I wondered if she was a figment of my imaginination. I still regret that today.

1) WHEN UNSURE TEST AND TAKE A STAND

She trained me in fighting in astral after that, and I came to realize she was someone from my dreams, even during childhood. My interest in her rose tremendously.  But I still thought she was not real. I tested her every way I can. Eventually she got to tickling me physically. What brought the doubt down was her surprising me at every turn.

2) POSITIVE THOUGHT CAN BRING DOWN SOME TYPES OF NEGATIVITY, BUT NOT ALL.

I had tried being positive while at school and while at home with those situations. Worst mistake of my life. Bullies eat you up for lunch easier when you let your gaurd down. So do parents.

However after both of those situations were resolved (3: BREAK AWAY THE IMMEDIATE PROBLEM AND GIVE TIME TO HEAL- THIS WAS USED IN DK'S CASE) I could focus on myself. Being positive turned my life around socially with a lot of time. (this leads to 4:BREAK THE PATTERNS AROUND YOU)

That's about it. sorry for the long post.

[sain]

I'm just wondering about something. occasionally when I am going to sleep, when I turn my light out, I feel a presence standing by the side of my bed. it frightens the living daylights out of me and I cower in bed until the sensation of being watched goes away. is this just a figment of my imagination, a ghost, or a neg? if it is a ghost or or neg, is there any way to get rid of it; it really creeps me out. [xx(]

[volcomstone]

we are all assigned workers, when those workers get a little bit too comfortable just give em a blast of the light, gold or white works,

plus just singing in your head, especially "video killed the radio star" or any 80's tunes, negs REALLY hate 80's music.

and not to be some preachy hippy but crystals will work pretty good, along with incense smudging, or a good spring cleaning

pets work wonders, my cat probally disposes of more little negs than any thing else,  plants also do a good cleaning job,

I heard that taking a showerr works, or even going for a swim, negs don't like moving water,

I RARELY get offended or intimidated by a "presence" I feel while conscious or meditating, I have yet to astral project so maybe I'm just too insensitive to these attacks

[James S]

The nasaly female vocals in "Video Killed the Radio Star" are enough to drive any entity away - human, neg, angel, you name it!

You've mentioned a number of things here Volcomstone, many of which could be of good help to Sain, Do you have any specific instances from your own experience that lets you know a particular method works because you've tried it successfully?

Regards,
James.

[Dark Knight]

Sain

Just curious, what happens as the presence just stands next to your bed? Does it just stand there, is there any pressing sensation in the legs with energy raising through your spine, do you feel fear because this is something unknown and you don't know how to deal with it, or does it inflict fear in you?

I know it's often hard to do, but we really need more information, a general description could be anything. Do the best you can.

[Nay]

Hey sain!

Sounds like you might be experiencing this,

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10545

Nay

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by sain

I'm just wondering about something. occasionally when I am going to sleep, when I turn my light out, I feel a presence standing by the side of my bed. it frightens the living daylights out of me and I cower in bed until the sensation of being watched goes away. is this just a figment of my imagination, a ghost, or a neg? if it is a ghost or or neg, is there any way to get rid of it; it really creeps me out. [xx(]

"monter under the bed fear" Even the elderly have this fear. This can be caused by a neg or fear of the unknown, with half cases being pure fear and half the cases being a neg. You can try what society does and just ignore it, learn to say "there is no basis for my fear," or you can face it and turn the fear/neg aside. The neg/fear is feeding off fear and will go away when you show none. Easy to understand, hard to do. One way of doing this would be to wait and see what happens when you stay still, hard as that is to do. Another way is to clear your mind with a meditation. I am sure other members will give you other methods.

[Dark Knight]

Hang on Spectral, let's wait and see first what it feels like to Sain first, communication is hard sometimes.