Shocks

[Nay]

This is interesting..someone brought it up to me, that ALOT of people were fine...until they read about negs and such.  

I had nightmares as well, hell, still do..but I not once thought it was a neg attacking me.

Why all the hoopla about negs lately?  And from what I have read, doesn't RB say it is very seldom such things come about? Yet, look around on the forums..it is running rampant!  I suppose I am glad that I am NOT "special" enough to have anything after me..[^]

Headaches..they happen for many reasons.  I am beginning to feel sorry for the negs..all this bad publicity they are getting. []

Nay.

[shedt]

Well don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is or is not something. But I can remember on more then one occasion when i was young be paralized with fear in my bed, scared about *something* that I htought was in my room. wether there was something there besides myself i do not know. i don't wake up screaming from primal fear deep from within me, so i guess something in my life has changed

[Dark Knight]

Direct quote from Robert Bruce's Book, Practical Psychic Self Defense
page xiii

To many people, if a thing cannot be dissected in a laboratory, it cannot exist, even though the evidence of their own eyes and senses repeatedly demands otherwise. A lack of viable scientific alternatives leads to claims of mass hallucination, hysteria, and mental disorders to explain the effects of unseen spirit influences. This is understandable when inexperienced, materialistic minds attempt to grasp what is beyond conventional comprehension at the physical level of existence. Although it can help, denial is not enough to drive back the darkness that has plagued the hearts, minds, and dreams of humanity since our beginnings.

and page xvi

In the world today, those with paranormal troubles are often blamed for attracting and/or creating their own problems. Myriad explanations abound, but they generally hold that victims do something wrong or have "bad karma," often involving past lives. However, philosophy and spiritual finger-pointing are not of much practical help, and while I believe karma, choice, and free will are involved in all aspects of life, it is not only demoralizing but unfair to blame vicitms for their troubles. They surely have enough to deal with. Helpful advice and practical solutions are needed, not blame-based philosophies.

Shedt you have nothing to apologize for and shouldn't have to go on the defensive.

This is Robert Bruce's website, and this is his philosophy towards others. I was always taught as a Catholic that when evil emerges it's just good's opportunity to demonstrate itself, by growing in self and extending compassion, understanding and assistance to others. I saw that mirror reflected in RB, his writings, and his practices.

Which is why it ranges from disappointing to disgust when the very moderators charged with the upkeep of this site fail in that regard...

Compromising the spirit of a site for anything goes speech (not even free speech)?

This is way I am getting ready to bail.

[SpectralDragon]

I have to agree with DK to a large extent. Most of these cases seem legit. However, you will get your fakers, people who don't know what they are talking about, people who want to blame thier problem on anything they can. Hopefully there is a way to weed this out.

shedt, I like your take on this. Nothing is absolute until proven right or wrong. It's a healthy way of thinking. [] Not sure if it's a neg problem you have so you might need to go into more detail.

[Aries]

I dont see why you all think alot of people here are faking.. just because there has been alot of postings on Negs doesnt really mean anything..
Ok so only some people get Neg attachments and such, but you have take into consideration out of all the people in the world, only a very very very small percent actually post on this website.
So then it is very possible that almost everyone here has a Neg attachment, especially because almost everyone here AstralProjects and has higher energy levels ...
my two cents
-Aries

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by Aries

I dont see why you all think alot of people here are faking.. just because there has been alot of postings on Negs doesnt really mean anything..
Ok so only some people get Neg attachments and such, but you have take into consideration out of all the people in the world, only a very very very small percent actually post on this website.
So then it is very possible that almost everyone here has a Neg attachment, especially because almost everyone here AstralProjects and has higher energy levels ...
my two cents
-Aries

This is why I say I believe most of the cases here are true. []

[James S]

To all,

If you wish to comment on Shedt's situation in particular, please post it here.

If you wish to talk about negs in more general terms, such as how legitimate they are etc, please post in Fat Turkey's topic "People pay too much attention to negs." -

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9738

Having two threads running with the same kind of discussions gets confusing. [8]

Thanks,
James.

P.S.
Dark Knight,
Yes this site was founded by Robert Bruce, along with other people such as Nita, Donni, and none the least - Adrian who runs the site. While Robert's writings are among the foremost sources of information in this area and that of OBEs, and I too find him highly quotable, he is not the only one who has information here. His information on OBEs is no more or less valuable than other writers such as Robert Monroe or Bruce Moen, who have completely different methods to RB's.

To deny others the the ability to speak their experiences or opinions here just because they don't necessarily agree with Robert's is more likely to create a cult type environment, which would end up being far less helpful than a wide variety of views that anybody is free to use or disregard as they see fit.

[Dark Knight]

Shedt,

Sorry i was reading fast and totally overlooked the line about you being straightened out, I started a new thread out of frustration. I thought it was here, that's why I was so frustrated.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9819

But about your night terrors...

My experiences started in 1993 (minus the attacks), oddly enough, during a major UFO flap that was occurring in the Midwest where I was living at the time.

I was still in the "I'm not an abductee" frame of mind and even though I noted my odd experiences as they happened I did not connect them to the reality that I was an abductee, my chemistry major I was currently working on prevented that. My focus was my degree and race relations.

John E Mack's book "Abduction" came out, finally got it in 1994, life never was the same after that. I felt an odd compulsion like I had to write to Mack's people, which really isn't unusal, many abductees experience this compulsion.

What was unusual in my case was that I didn't want to write to them about abduction, I felt compelled to write to them about race relations. I fought against it thinking I was nuts, or thinking they'd see me as nuts. But the compulsion was like having a drill sargent on your case constantly.

Finally I gave in and wrote...sealed the envelopes, left them on my desk to send in the morning. Went to sleep...

I found myself in a place that resembled a dungeon lit in a dark blood red light. To my side was a spider the size of a Volkswagon with a smiling face. Over my opposing side was an entry way with webbing across it. Inside the web, was the upper torso of a man. The lower half had been eaten away and the inside of the torso was illuminated with the red light, the organs eaten to shreads by the spider. What made the situation all the more appalling was that the man was still alive and writhing in agony. As I looked at this scene, a thought was being impressed in me that the man in the web was my soul...

....the spider was eating my soul...

I woke up literally gasping trying to shake off the thought and feeling. As I did I looked around my room and felt a strange energy. I also had a punch in the gut sensation. Oddly, as terrified as I was, I went back to sleep quickly.

Now I was in a college lecture hall working feverishly away on a writing project. My classmates sat there with death mask looking faces, totally expressionless. Next I was sitting outside my "professor's" office waiting for help with my project, but he wouldn't accept me. Just kept taking other students ahead of me. Finally frustrated I angrily confronted him and demanded help. This prof resembled the tall man from the Phantasm movies, tall, thin, ugly expression on his face. I'm only 5ft. He bent over, got in my face, and asked, "What do you think you're doing, little girl, it's not like anyone is going to listen to you, why don't you quit while you're still a head?"

I woke up startled and had no clue what to make out about what had happened to me.

I mailed the letters, some months past, and the drill sargent came back, insisting I write another set. So I did...

Then something really strange happened while I was asleep. I was now someplace where Neo-nazis had taken over the world. Feeling the need to protect people, I started hiding people from the neo-nazis. Well, at some point I got caught, and that was when this pseudo dream turned into a weird abduction. I was someplace that looked like a cross between a greenhouse and a nightmarish science lab, lying on a table, surrounded by the neo-nazis...who were short, skinny jet black leathery skinned looking monstrosities with charcoal cloudy colored eyes. I was lying on a table and they were letting me know they were going to do something to me akin to Dr Mengele. Just then they all ran out and a group of greys ran in with a tall Nordic male. The lead grey bent over and said, "Don't be afraid, we won't let them hurt you, we would never, ever let them hurt you." I was lifted off the table and carried out of there. Next thing I knew I was being carried through a field and onto a ship. The scene jumps again, I'm lying on a new table with the greys running frantically around the room in a mad dash to prep everything. The Nordic male was standing near the table, leaned over to me and said, "We have to check you out to make sure you are ok, but the check has to be thorough so they're going to put you out." I vaguely remember nodding my head. I went out there and woke up (seemingly instantaneously) in my bed.

[chromed]

Shedt,

The shock *might* not be negs. What you're describing sounds very similar to deep trance state/pre-OBE "signals". I've personally noticed that if I'm paying attention when I AP/LD (ie. my technique isn't leading me into na-na land , when the vibrations come, they do so slowly. If I'm not paying attention, they seem to rush on me like a wave, leaving me feeling like I've been hit with high voltage power (this is also typically accompanied by a big jerk in my physical body, followed by my wife kicking me for shaking the bed . What this could mean is that you're just naturally inclined to AP/OBE, and should probably read the sections on the website that talk about it (if you haven't already).

This does not preclude you from having neg issues, however (even if it is the "astral shock" effect). Your childhood experiences seem to indicate *something* was going on, and you're going to have to be the one to determine the cause. As far as I can tell, there is a direct relation between people with spiritual interest/abilities and the amount of negative "stuff" they have had to deal with. I don't know which comes first (the abilities, or the things you need the abilities to deal with), but rarely do I meet some untested soul with any real ability.

Oh, and I don't buy that neg "attacks" are uncommon. In my experience, most people have to deal with minor, low-level larvi/parasites. They can seem pretty scary (after all, they tend to attack when you're asleep or otherwise), but mostly the parasites just find an emotion hot button and keep pushing it (kinda like those animal intelligence tests -- push the button, it gets fed). It's not really an attack, any more than you're "attacked" by a mosquito. Eventually, if nothing happens to disengage it, it can get large enough to cause real havok in someone's life, but that's a relatively rare case (IMO).

Of course, that's just my 2 cents.
chromed

[shedt]

Thanks for the responses!

Yeah i think it is probally something to do we my energy body. for some reason something makes me feel that way.

As for nightmares about ETs and just really bad nightmares/waking up screaming, i dunno.

i'm going too try and sort it out though

[kiauma]

I experienced an electric-like shock just once.

It was when I was with my first long term relationship.  I'll spare you the details, and try to just describe the incident.

We were laying in bed, late at night.  We were both falling asleep.  I was feeling warm hearted, and very close to her spiritually at that moment.  I was thinking about how lucky I was to be with her, and how close I felt to her.  I could 'feel' her laying there next to me in the darkness, and as I started to slide into sleep I began to feel a sort of merging begin...

Then it was as if a two ton door slammed in my face.  I instantly awoke with the feeling of a 220 volt shock coursing through my whole body.  

Afterward, I lay there sweating, feeling very alone, trying to sort through my feelings about what had happened.  

For various reasons the relationship eventually ended.

[darstar]

I think I have also experienced what you are describing. There have been many times over the years where I'll be trying to go to sleep and I'll be almost asleep but not quite, like awake but dreaming, and all of sudden I'll have like a shock and I'll be wide awake again. This sometimes but not always happens happens when I'm trying to go to sleep and I'm almost there but I've stayed aware for longer than I normally would have, like I can feel myself falling asleep, but I'm still aware of things. Anyways, It feels like I was sort of floating above my bed and then all of a sudden I fell back onto the bed. So, it feels like the shock of falling onto the ground as if one were floating above it. My theory about this is that I almost astral projected but not quite, and the shock I felt was me being snapped back into my body.

Jen

[shedt]

I've been reading Pracitcal Psychic Self-Defense now, what a awesome book. But it makes me think about my childhood, the night terrors, the dreams of ET type monsters, being paralzed etc. I was thinking, you know, up too a couple years ago i would still get night terrors. i'd wake up in the middle of the night screaming. once i woke up and looked at my wife and asked her who she was. i always just chalked it up too bad dreams. only recently have i though that something might be effecting me.

when i sleep at night, sometimes i get a shock through my body. like zap! my whole body goes stright. i wonder if it is anything. In the book Robert talks about tingling feelings and such. i don't what my experiences really are, but i'm trying too learn as much as i can about myself, my past, present and future. i've noticed today that i'm getting a headache. i wonder maybe could it be a long-term neg attached to me ? i think i've had one for a long time. when i was younger i would get depressed so easy. i just chalked it up as hormones. maybe it was. i don't like to say anything is absolute.

how will you learn something new if you "think" you know somthing is ? you won't try too look at it differently if you think something is absolute. IMHO