What evidence is there to support you claim that they are magnetic in nature and not just energy?
I personally don't see the relation to magnets and negs
I was able to isolate this force using iron "implements"...and magnets.
And I could feel it's every move, how it moves, it's a moving magnetic force with some form of parasitic consciousness since it is a thoughtform, which knows how to bind someone and block certain regions, it's only course is to make you into a puppet while that "THING" is a puppet master.
It tries to control you by accessing and gaining control of your meridians. Meridians too have been manipulated using magnets since ancient times.
So, because you believe one to be a magnetic entity, it makes all of them magnetic in nature?
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i'm wondering if anyone suffering with a neg problem had an MRi? did they feel better after having an mri, can a negs be detected using MRi's?
I'm not sure if that would be a valid experiment, because if someone is having a mri, there is something already wrong, and with the brain no doubt. Are you allowed to have a mri, just cause? [^]
That is what a mri is, a brain scan? [:P]
Nay
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So, because you believe one to be a magnetic entity, it makes all of them magnetic in nature?
Yes. There are only 2 basic "materials" yin (magnetic/cooling) and yang(electric heating) or Shiva and Shakti. So far the mechanics of negs are quite similar, they are spirits, evil ones. They are only Yang on their entry into solar plexus or through bruises - you might consider that to be similar to a viral cover - which upon succesful entry the virus loses. Then they become yin in nature as they try to take over the meridians and take over your nervous system spreading magnetic ectoplasm throughout the body. Ectoplasm is the stuff that spirits take form from, and it's that psychics generally feel and that is yin. It's purpose is to destroy your fire and start it's fire. There activities might induce fire type stuff inside of you but it's still yin energy doing the inducing.
They have a force and independant mind, as it is a foreign thoughtform trying to become a part of you. But it can be isolated, which is why iron is used and is considered successful ALL THE TIME.
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i'm wondering if anyone suffering with a neg problem had an MRi? did they feel better after having an mri, can a negs be detected using MRi's?
I'm not sure if that would be a valid experiment, because if someone is having a mri, there is something already wrong, and with the brain no doubt. Are you allowed to have a mri, just cause? [^]
That is what a mri is, a brain scan? [:P]
Nay
I don't know if your just trying to be funny or just ignorant. MRI scans have been used on monks to see the magnetic activity after meditation.
They have been used for the entire body not just the brain. I have a feeling they can be used to detect neg activities as I can feel there activity quite clearly.
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I don't know if your just trying to be funny or just ignorant. MRI scans have been used on monks to see the magnetic activity after meditation.
They have been used for the entire body not just the brain. I have a feeling they can be used to detect neg activities as I can feel there activity quite clearly.
OUCH, actually I wasn't trying to be either..[:(] This is why I hate posting anymore..noone ever gets me, well...except James..*smooch*
I was serious..and I didn't know that Monks used it.
*going back to my hole*
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Originally posted by Nay
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I don't know if your just trying to be funny or just ignorant. MRI scans have been used on monks to see the magnetic activity after meditation.
They have been used for the entire body not just the brain. I have a feeling they can be used to detect neg activities as I can feel there activity quite clearly.
OUCH, actually I wasn't trying to be either..[:(] This is why I hate posting anymore..noone ever gets me, well...except James..*smooch*
I was serious..and I didn't know that Monks used it.
*going back to my hole*
My sincerest apologies for coming off a bit arrogant. Unfortuneatly MRI scans are too expensive, too big for the most part and I'm not sure if they can take real time streaming video or if it's a bunch of frozen frames put together when we actually see the picture...but the technology seems to be improving.
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My sincerest apologies for coming off a bit arrogant. Unfortuneatly MRI scans are too expensive, too big for the most part and I'm not sure if they can take real time streaming video or if it's a bunch of frozen frames put together when we actually see the picture...but the technology seems to be improving.
Hey...no problem, and thanks.[:D] I just know one of these days, I won't be such a confusion.[;)]
Nay
I've heard studies showing that patients who are clinically depressed, feel MUCH happier after an MRI scan, researchers have no idea why
but theories are that the MRI impulse which usually travels from left hemisphere to right hemisphere (brain), somehow increases the "communication" between the two brain hemispheres, , some doctors claim depression is the lack of communication between hemiphere's.
I know from personal experience, that the days where im in the worst of moods is when my brain feels "chunky" or "clogged" much like an energy blockage.
Hi kalratri, I don't think any doctor would help because this would eventually put them out of job or at least significantly reduce their income.
Magnetic field itself is an energy, and even though neg has magnetic field it also has its own intelligence. Possibly changing its state (charge) to avoid detection? This is just my speculation. I am sure if you put more positive universal energies into your meridien system, they cannot remain intact. Or another way is to raise your vibrational level by getting your chakras spin at higher rate. Anything in lower vibration cannot affect something that is higher. Negs are of low frequencies compared to high vibrational level of angels and holy spirits.
I recommend anyone who has neg problem to get an energy attunement. Be it reiki, seichem, karuna, anything that is recognized as loving, healing universal energies. An attunement will raise your vibration and it takes a stronger neg to cause trouble.
I am having a neg problem currently and I know this is no ordinary neg. It came with a specific purpose and it is intensely focus. If it wouldn't because of my energy attunements, I would be at mercy.
Just my thoughts.
Choon
Hi again,
Actually, I don't care much about doctors, except for those who are holistic ones and do understand energy stuff.
There are some researchers doing valuable work on the effects of spiritual excercises on the brain and body using mri's and other scanning methods.
There have been several cases where the mri itself caused therapeutic effects on patients, possibly realigning the energy field of weaker negs.
The problem with healers is, it's hard to find someone who really knows what they are doing and master healers. But I guess that's a problem with anyone, including doctors.
The reason I'm talking about MRI's and other possible energy machines is because not everyone knows how to meditate, particularly if you have elders and children who might have some neg activity and they don't have the ability to control their mind. For them and other such spiritual novices, ALL possibilities to heal should be made available.[:)]
Hey,
I think it is a bit of an oversimplification to say that negs are magnetic in nature. IMO there is a muddling of cause of effect going on here - that is, the energies we are discussing cause magnetic fields (and are probably linked via a two way street to magnetic fields), but are not themselves magnetic in nature. Basically everything we know from experience about such fields is that they cannot exist on their own but require other things to create them, and are themselves only effects.
Myself, I do think that chi and magnetic fields are linked, eg kirlian photography and similar stuff.
Out of interest - the monks in MRI's you mentioned - have you got any links on that? I thought of this experiment ages ago and have been waiting for someone to do it!
all the best
Rob
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Originally posted by Inguma
Hey,
I think it is a bit of an oversimplification to say that negs are magnetic in nature. IMO there is a muddling of cause of effect going on here - that is, the energies we are discussing cause magnetic fields (and are probably linked via a two way street to magnetic fields), but are not themselves magnetic in nature. Basically everything we know from experience about such fields is that they cannot exist on their own but require other things to create them, and are themselves only effects.
----- well actually I didn't say they were simply magnetic, I said they had energy and some intelligence, and can be captured, realigned and manipulated.
Just like humans are an electomagnetic species, so are negs. Just like humans can be captured and put behind bars as entities, so can negs, iron seems to isolate the species, extraction is another matter.
Myself, I do think that chi and magnetic fields are linked, eg kirlian photography and similar stuff.
Out of interest - the monks in MRI's you mentioned - have you got any links on that? I thought of this experiment ages ago and have been waiting for someone to do it!
http://www.mindandlife.org/current.conf.html
Fair enough - fyi mcarthur who can be found here sometimes wrote once about a neg he's been battling which was able to manipulate a very sensitive magnetic field (change?) meter. Similar instuments are used by ghost hunters.
That link you provided - thanks! - but I can only find pages on the site where it talks about studies which "will be done" rather than giving full details of studies which have been done. Am I missing something?!
cheers
Rob
whoops! Sorry, I didn't really read it. This is better.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40979-2003Sep20
Negs are extremely magnetic, if you put a magnet near a limb that is severely overtaken by a neg in a child, their fingers/hand literally get drawn like iron fillings to the magnet.
Ahhh that better, the answers to the questions poised on the other page and a very good article! From the washington post no less, wow cool. I heard from a friend a while back about quantum physicists discussing their work with the dalai lama and him making suggestions, peeked my interest it did. Cheers for that! Got any more??!! Hehe I'll chase up the names tomorrow.
You know, all of this (magnetic stuff) would suggest that magnets could be used over moles and other such blemishes in a similar way to RB's mole removal with ball point pen. Well guess what!! About 2 months ago now I ordered a load of ceramic rare earth magnets, including a lot of very small ones (well they never turned up so my order has been reshipped - I am now keeping my fingers crossed I get 2 orders through one of these days!!). Methinks some vigorous testing needs to be done.
I cant remember which polarity is supposed to be best for healing, will have to check my books when back around my usual home. But with respect to how various parts of the body are said to be positive or negative (eg hermetics, maybe eastern chi systems?) what I now have to decide is whether to apply + to +, or - to +. Perhaps I will test both.
Hey, this could be fruitful!
[:)][:)][:)]
Rob
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Originally posted by kalratri
whoops! Sorry, I didn't really read it. This is better.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40979-2003Sep20
MRI medical scanners don't so much detect magnetic fields, they are utilised as part of the process to detect chemical processes at the atomic level. The fields used for human examinations can be up to 2 tesla, 4 times that of the earths magnetic field. This would be likely to counter any local fields for the duration of the scan.
Not withstanding, I have also read from other sources that the effects of meditative states on brain activity have been viewed with MRI and other medical diagnostic equipment and it points to some interesting explorations ahead.
More intro at http://www.howstuffworks.com/mri.htm
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Negs are extremely magnetic, if you put a magnet near a limb that is severely overtaken by a neg in a child, their fingers/hand literally get drawn like iron fillings to the magnet.
Alternately placing iron fillings near the person on say a sheet of card would show localised fields if present and at the strength that you suggest. That would make for some interesting video :) UFO researchers often obtain magnetic field detectors for their research which may be of use, available from all good UFO stores on the internet :)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40979-2003Sep20
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MRI medical scanners don't so much detect magnetic fields, they are utilised as part of the process to detect chemical processes at the atomic level. The fields used for human examinations can be up to 2 tesla, 4 times that of the earths magnetic field. This would be likely to counter any local fields for the duration of the scan.
Not withstanding, I have also read from other sources that the effects of meditative states on brain activity have been viewed with MRI and other medical diagnostic equipment and it points to some interesting explorations ahead.
--Actually, the MRI might do 2 things, 1) it might just push the neg out permanently.
2)it's not possible that the MRI disables ALL magnetic activity in the body, if it did, it would kill you. I'm thinking if the energy movement can be detected during meditative states than non meditative energy movements can also be detected.
If the neg tries to integrate into your field and starts swishing stuff around, theoretically it should be detected.
[8)]
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Originally posted by Inguma
I cant remember which polarity is supposed to be best for healing, will have to check my books when back around my usual home. But with respect to how various parts of the body are said to be positive or negative (eg hermetics, maybe eastern chi systems?) what I now have to decide is whether to apply + to +, or - to +. Perhaps I will test both.
Hey, this could be fruitful!
[:)][:)][:)]
Rob
according to some, it's the north side which heals, whereas the south side can cause [:(] overgrowth atleast for cancer. But then again certain organ systems might require this.
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Originally posted by kalratri
--Actually, the MRI might do 2 things, 1) it might just push the neg out permanently.
Might do if it is subject to magnetic fields and/or RF fields, also if it does not like noise :)
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2)it's not possible that the MRI disables ALL magnetic activity in the body, if it did, it would kill you. I'm thinking if the energy movement can be detected during meditative states than non meditative energy movements can also be detected.
It does not disable, it aligns, see the url that I provided for details.
It is chemical activity that is detected during whichever state, my point being that MRI medical Scanners do not detect magnetic fields.
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If the neg tries to integrate into your field and starts swishing stuff around, theoretically it should be detected.
If it is impacting chemical processes and those processes are being examined for, if the neg is distorting the field this may return anomalous results.
Some researchers are planning to make small scale versions of the MRI for healing therapy as they've already done for brain scans, for obvious reasons (I don't think you need to have 4X the earth's magnetic field to destroy misaligned magnetic fields and negs unless you're dealing with some fantastically powerful poltergiest(sp?))
Ofcourse, this might not help in viewing them...I mean do we really need 2 teslas to see stuff? Of course the MRI technology itself is undergoing refinement.
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Some researchers are planning to make small scale versions of the MRI for healing therapy as they've already done for brain scans,
The use for healing sounds interesting, do you have a reference?
Pulsed electromagnets have been used for a little while to assist healing of say bone fractures.
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Sounds interestingfor obvious reasons (I don't think you need to have 4X the earth's magnetic field to destroy misaligned magnetic fields and negs unless you're dealing with some fantastically powerful poltergiest(sp?))
One magnetic field is not in principle going to destroy another but will interaction in weird and wonderful ways. Where one is significantly stronger it will to all intent and purposes dominate material within its field. As I understand it magnetic fields are the product of some other activity rather than something existing in isolation so changing a field permanently requires the source to be permanently changed.
In my own experiences some entity activity does appear to be affected by electical and related products and I think investigation in this area is an interesting idea.
I know people that report weird stuff when about fairly high power transmission equipment as a result of their work, but then Persinger would mention temporal lobe effects here.
When in the past I have been fault finding electronic equipment, I have experienced intuitive sense as to where a problem might be, going direct to check a particular waveform which is then seen to be corrupt can be difficult to explain to 'lay' people that might be about :)
My bottom line is that we as humans do seem able to interact with subtle physical energies as well as the apparently non localised stuff so research of the type mentioned by yourself does have an interest for me but I have also come across some shady claims so like to gather all the details that I can where possible.
I read about one experimenter who claimed to have "solved" the poltergeist phenomenon by packing a huge amount of random electrical equipment into a room and house, then noting said poltergeist activity. He therefore claimed the phenomenon was electrical in nature. But IMO when you leave rubbish around you will tend at attract flies.
Mick - you mentioned the right temporal lobe thing. There is a new article on the main site which goes into this, I'm reading it at the moment looks good:
"Simply because religious experiences are brain based does not automatically lessen or demean their spiritual significance. Indeed, the findings of neurological substrates to religious experiences can be argued to provide evidence for their objective reality"
This is a very interesting topic. I have been very interested in magnets and have been doing some research in the area of health problems, but am interested in how magnetic fields could be related to getting rid of negs.
There is a place in Pennsylvania and also in North Carolina that are doing experimental treatments with powerful magnets, about the size of ones in an MRI machine. These powerful magnets are especially good for Cerebral Palsy, Multiple Sclerosis, Strokes, chronic pain, etc. For more info, go to www.amti.nc.com. It seems that the North pole of a magnet really causes oxygen to go to the area where it's applied, it also reduces inflammation.
When you have a regular MRI, you can't take credit cards in with you, or the info on them will be wiped out. I've also read that you can't bring a powerful magnet close to your computer of info will also be wiped out. So if negs are electromagnetic entities, maybe magnets could erase their info or else the info that is allowing them to attach.
Dr. Philpott is really into magnets, has written a couple of books, says that the magnets have to be bigger in circumference than the trouble spots, so the size of the magnets seems to make a lot of difference. Also the power (gauss) of the magnet is important if anyone is experimenting. Also the pole of the magnet is EXTREMELY important. The north pole cause increased oxygenation, lessens or removes pain, shrinks tumors. The south pole actually causes tumors to grow faster, pain to increase, and the exact opposite of the north pole. See www.magnetlabs.com for more info and some good magnets.
If RB says that moles are energy attachments and you could remove moles with magnets, it appears that magnets have an effect on negs. You could remove moles with magnets, as long as magnet is bigger than the mole and appropriate strength, and use it over time (couple weeks), and use correct pole (north).
Another tidbit is that homeopathic remedies which are electromagnetic signatures in water, could be wiped out if near a magnet, or even an electrical device.
This is all food for thought. Another thought is that there is iron in the hemoglobin of our blood. This carries the oxygen in the blood. When there is low oxygen in the blood then fungus (candida), viruses, bacteria, etc. could grow. I have read in esoteric literature that you can use iron to come against spiritual attacks (I'm not sure how), but it seems there's something about iron that low level stuff like negs and bacteria don't like. Most magnets are made out of iron.
I'd love it if anybody could share how to use iron to come against negs. One thing I do remember reading is that you can use an iron knife and cut along your skin at the problem area, like you are severing an attachment. I also read where somebody swung their iron golf club at something that was trying to materialize and the iron seemed to disrupt it.
It's interesting that people feel better after being in an MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging), it must wipe out negative imprints or something. It would be cool if some time of device could be used for removing negs, especially like someone mentioned, for children and vulnerable people. I have a child with Cerebral Palsy and am always looking for ways to protect her as she is vulnerable.
Always,
thankful
I'd just like to say that people have already created such devices. They are often electromagnetic in nature. They incorporate devices such as mobius coils and oscillating microchips to create a special type of electromagnetic wave form known as the "scalar wave". Apparently these are great for psi applications, however at higher voltages they can damage electronics. I actually built a little unit for myself (I'm an electronics major in college) out of a timer chip and some radio shack parts, and the results have been quite... Enticing?
It sends out electromagnetic signals (I didn't add a mobius coil emitter yet) which oscillate at 15Hz, which is supposedly a frequency that is omni-benevolent to humans and omni-malevolent to negs and all things vile in nature. I found that before I had pinpointed the frequency within about 5% (The original circuit based on non-variable parts, which actually ended up oscillating at about 17 Hz... The new one incorporates variable resistor trimmers to oscillate at about 15.02Hz... or so says the oscilloscope [:P]) the device was painful to wear. I would wear it to bed on my foot, and it would wake me up in the middle of the night for the pain it was giving me, off a single 9v battery. Once I nearly pinpointed the frequency (2Hz is not a large difference!!), it became actually pleasant to wear. It's been keeping me in pretty good health so far, and the pulses are positive-nil, not positive-negative in nature, so all the signals you get are positive. It makes for a nasty static shock when you touch the floor in the morning, though.
Reports indicate that mobius coils can be employed to excite crystals and orgonite as well. I'll find the truth of that out for myself as soon as I get the unit back from a friend who's checking it out right now.
Anyway, if you want to read more about it, you can at http://www.educate-yourself.org
A lot of the stuff on the site seems very far-fetched, even to me, but it has great information on keeping your human machine running in peak condition.
Hope this helps!
Here's a sight that talks about the therapeutic effects of mri's on those who suffer bipolar disorder and who are not taking medication and also mentions smaller mri type instruments for therapy.
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2004/01.22/01-depression.html. I'll post the entire article in the news section of this forum and researchers at Harvard Medical school are working on something called transcranial magnetic stimulation, or TMS. The same site talks about that too.
Thankful:
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If RB says that moles are energy attachments and you could remove moles with magnets, it appears that magnets have an effect on negs. You could remove moles with magnets, as long as magnet is bigger than the mole and appropriate strength, and use it over time (couple weeks), and use correct pole (north).
Cheers for that, I'll bear it in mind. Yes, all very interesting.
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It would be cool if some time of device It would be cool if some time of device could be used for removing negs, especially like someone mentioned, for children and vulnerable people. I have a child with Cerebral Palsy and am always looking for ways to protect her as she is vulnerable.
Have you heard of Rife machines? While they are used primarily to fight disease, IMO these would be powerful neg guns, but unwise to leave on all the time and possibly overkill. I really really want to get into experimenting with them but they're unfortunately a bit expensive.
They likely work using scalar waves as mentioned by Cheyyne.
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Another tidbit is that homeopathic remedies which are electromagnetic signatures in water
You dont think they are more radionic? Psionic? Probably still wipeable with magnet though.
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Apparently these are great for psi applications, however at higher voltages they can damage electronics. I actually built a little unit for myself (I'm an electronics major in college) out of a timer chip and some radio shack parts, and the results have been quite... Enticing?
Do go on!! Scalar waves, interesting stuff they are. Another thing I plan on getting seriously into one day.
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Reports indicate that mobius coils can be employed to excite crystals and orgonite as well. I'll find the truth of that out for myself as soon as I get the unit back from a friend who's checking it out right now.
Yes I have some mobius call wrapped crystals, although the coil was self made and not exactly to spec! Powered by a zapper (succor punch - 15hz square wave). I haven't noticed anything extraordinary, though I do sometimes use it when I get ill (zapper) or when meditating (SP).
But it seems to me, if you really want to effectively create scalar waves with coils, you need to work out the correct diameters and etc to get the waves to cancel eachother out as they pass round the crystal (out of phase).
I wonder, what speed do scalar waves move at? Might mail bearden about that, seems an important point.
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Anyway, if you want to read more about it, you can at http://www.educate-yourself.org
A lot of the stuff on the site seems very far-fetched, even to me, but it has great information on keeping your human machine running in peak condition.
Well said, aye it is a dodgy site but interesting. Don Croft is not all he appears these days (I assume he once was), and the same can be said of much of the orgonite inner circle clique. Unfortunate but true...
You experimented with orgonite much? I've got some good results. Eg dreams become stronger and weirdy with the stuff around, I put loads under a friends bed to stop her neg related nightmares, and found plants bloom in its presence (with CB). Good stuff!
Rob
Actually, the unit I built was basically a zapper. I uses the same 15Hz square wave (sine waves are not referred to as pulses), but it doesn't have all the bells and whistles such as spherical crystals, orgonite, and a mobius coil to excite the whole shebang. I haven't hooked mine up to a mobius coil, as I said. I have some problems sorting fact from fiction regarding orgonite, and haven't experimented much with it. Perhaps once I get a little bit of money I'll buy some "tower busters" or whatever. I tried making a home-made mobius coil as per the instructions at http://www.littlemountainsmudge.com who apparently coined the term "orgonite", although I'd contest that the word is public domain. Anyhow, I twisted the wire into a "cable" as per the instructions before putting it into a coil, and I just can't seem to figure out how the durned thing is supposed to end up! The concept it's built on seems flawed, e.g. the coils running together... It doesn't hold up when you actually try to put it together.
I think you can actually buy pre-made mobius coils from little mountain smudge, but I don't know that they're made to spec either. If anyone wants, I'm not doing all that much besides college work these days, and this is an easy semester for me, so I can put together some of these little black-box zapper clones if anybody wants. All I ask is the cost of parts included. The experience and experimentation of different physical placement of components to save space would be worth it. My own one is a real mess inside, but it does work. I have an electronics lab on monday, so I'm going to hook up my mobius coil(plus resistor) to the device and check to see its effect on the oscilloscope. Usually when doing experiments, our results are compromised simply due to the electronic "noise" the fluorescent lights make, so I assume the oscilloscope is sensitive enough to pick up the scalar waves. I'll record the wave and upload screenshots of it if it's anything out of the ordinary, which it may or may not be.
Also, it may not be all that important how fast scalar waves move, depending on application. If you're using them to excite crystals or something, it's entirely possible that their speed doesn't factor into the effect you're trying to achieve, i.e. psi energy moves faster. Also, I don't agree that orgone is necessarily the same energy as psi energy, and certainly not the same as chi energy... The orgone researchers need to look into that a bit more thoroughly and not just place it in a broad category in order for it to be easily assimilated into dull peoples' minds.
One more thing... Did you know that Germany is the only nation in which the study of orgone is carried out in universities? I didn't. Maybe it's not true. Just a lil tidbit.
Hey again,
You know, I really wouldn't bother buying TB's, just make them yourself, its much more fun and you get to experiment doing other crazy things [8D]. A friend of mine made his out of tree resin for a while, you might want to consider this if you are financially strapped. Smells nice too!
btw the site you linked to is Wizzers site, guys intelligent enough and I imagine his products are up to spec. But he didn't invent the term orgonite - like it says that was coined by Carl Welz, when he was in partnership with Ernie Vega (http://www.gocs1.com/ - now there are some products I would quite like to play with! Cybershaman is pretty cool too). They made it purely with organic and metallic powders, which are best used when you have something else to stimulate them (coils etc). Today many people use metal shavings, more self-powered in a way.
For instructions with the coil, I have seen other instructions around though none quite as lucid as wizzers.
On ernies site you will find some good info about scalar waves and how he reckons they can be produced from wires running next to each other. The site can be pretty tricky to navigate sometimes but its there somewhere! [:P]
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so I assume the oscilloscope is sensitive enough to pick up the scalar waves
I dont think it really works like that. Scalar waves by definition are infolded so that they do not have the visible wave characteristics oscilloscopes pick up on.
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Also, it may not be all that important how fast scalar waves move, depending on application
I was thinking about trying to create waveguides for the scalar component, if you get my meaning. But if I remember right scalar waves are supposed to be capable of travelling faster than the speed of light, which indicates multiple possible speeds. Odd eh?
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Also, I don't agree that orgone is necessarily the same energy as psi energy, and certainly not the same as chi energy... The orgone researchers need to look into that a bit more thoroughly and not just place it in a broad category in order for it to be easily assimilated into dull peoples' minds.
I agree, but I wouldn't count out the possibility that they are the same, or variations on the same theme. One person, friend of a friend, very capable, said he thinks they are nothing more than variable frequency resonators, which is interesting and links nicely to georgo lakhovsky's MWO (multiple wave oscillator). But then does that attract orgone energy? Does it create scalar waves? Reich considered orgone to be a real energy form with a kind of substance of its own, and cloudbusters work which seems to support that hypothosis, so where this leaves us I dont know. Confused, perhaps!
peace
Rob
Inguma,
It's a coincidence for me that you mentioned the Multiple Wave Oscillator. I just ordered one. I plan on using it for my family's health problems and also for clients after I get my naturopathic certificate. I've read about it on the web but think there's a lot more information on it then what people are putting out.
Do you have any interesting info on it that may not be common knowledge that might be gleaned form the internet? Do you think it attracts orgone? If so, then I imagine that your "intention" is important when your sitting between the antennae. Have you heard about the "vibe machine"? I think it's a MWO, it costs around $19,000. It seems to be able to heal a lot as well as having a spiritual component. The machine I'm getting costs a lot, lot, less, but it's very good (if not better). The site even gives instructions on how to build your own. It also has an orgone blanket, UFO technology, pretty interesting stuff. It's www.zephyrtechnology.com.
Thanks,
Mira
Let me know how that thing works out! I am inherently distrustful of sites that charge that much money for items that offer quick fixes like that ELF generator business... I know for a fact that the cost of building materials for something like that multi-wave oscillator would be probably about a hundred dollars, and possibly less for a sensible shopper. The electrical circuit shown on the do-it-yourself page is exceedingly simple in design, and even the coil itself wouldn't take much time to construct. It just seems like a lot of money to charge for such a thing, especially since they profess their "open architecture" in such a benevolent manner. I think for payment of the magnitude they speak of in their site, a healthy amount of skepticism is a smart thing.
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It's a coincidence for me that you mentioned the Multiple Wave Oscillator
Even more "coincidence" - I am currently reading Lakhovsky's book "The Secret of Life" - about half way through, he hasn't got to the MWO theory but I can kinda see where he is heading. Very good! You might want to get a copy - availabe from keelynet.com (reprint of an old translation from the original is french).
These things do tend to cost a lot of money though, which is a shame, but I guess cos so few people buy them.
I have had a quick look at the site, not exhaustive (I just watched a video from a US helicopter in fallujah committing war crimes and am feeling quite sick and angry - http://globalresearch.ca/images/Massacre%20of%20Civilians.wmv). Anyway, what interested the most was actually the violet ray device - I have heard of these in passing but never anything much specific.
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Do you have any interesting info on it that may not be common knowledge that might be gleaned form the internet?
HHmm, I dont think so, sorry! [:)]
Do you know the general theory behind the MWO and other vibrational based therapies?
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Do you think it attracts orgone?
In orgone terms, I dont think so - the MWO works in sudden quick bursts. If we are talking orgone, it would be I think a fair guess to say that it realignes oranor fields and re-energises/breaks the static in dor. But still a guess [:)]
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If so, then I imagine that your "intention" is important when your sitting between the antennae
Doubtful, intention would add another (radionic) aspect, not there before, and generally help effectiveness. I dont have experience on the MWO, and certainly shouldn't be taken as an "expert" (!), but I think the MWO, like other vibrational therapies, will work by itself.
Think of it like this - radionics (focused intention through the use of physical devices) and suchlike creates subtle vibrational fields which interact with people on very subtle levels, giving helpful healing information to the body, the force with which this info is given being defined by the effectiveness of the practitioner (will power, spiritual elevation, psychological factors, etc etc). Powered devices, such as the MWO, zapper, rife machine, etc forcefully impact the positive healing vibrations upon the patient in various different ways. Well, thats a rough lowdown on my working theory anyway! [:P]
There's a lot I dont understand, such as the various different levels this info and vibrations are sent on (etheric/astral etc to the mystic, electromagnetic/virtual info packets perhaps to the physicist), but hey hope this helps anyway! But apologies if its old info to you, dont know where you are coming from as it were.
You mentioned your child had Cerebral Palsy - I am so sorry to hear that, must be very difficult for you. Considering it, I think the MWO was a good choice! Perhaps you might be interested in looking into ORMUS, if you haven't already? I could suggest a good place to buy from if you are interested.
Ahh, am feeling a bit more human now - I enjoy talking about this stuff. That video made me so.......uch. Indescribeable.
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Have you heard about the "vibe machine"?
I "think" so, looking it up....ooohhh pretty!!!!! Veeeeeery pretty infact. Cool!! I would LOVE to have one of those to play with!!!! Looks like some sort of hybrid between rife and mwo, sweeeeeeeeet. Cheers for that! No, I dont think I have ever heard of them, must have been confusing it with something else.
all the best
Rob
Inguma,
Thanks for the info. I've read just about everything on the internet about MWO's and I think it's a very good choice, too. I really do wish I could build it myself, but I'm dense when it comes to things like that.
It seems like the basic premise of the MWO is that is sends out multiple harmonic frequencies and your cells pick out the ones that they need. The cells then begin operating at a much younger age because now they have the voltage to dump toxins and to take in nutrition. It seems that age and different health assaults lower the voltage. I know it does other things too, like increases circulation and things brings increased oxygen to injured areas (just what my child's brain needs), it also reduces inflammation. It seems that people have very good results from the first time on the machine, especially good for pain and gives an extreme feeling of well being. Also, people experience detoxification symptoms as their cells dump their toxins. There are so many people suffering from fibromyalgia, arthrits, etc. etc. I can't wait to give it a go on the people that I know. It seems the FDA is really cracking down on testimonials and people are afraid to put them on their sites. Especially as this device is not FDA approved.
On the www.vibemachine.com , one of the pages had an audible interview. The inventor talked about how the vibe machine increased vibrations spiritually and things started happening. I would love to know more about this. The manufacturer I am buying from feels his machine is a lot better, especially because it doesn't have the 60Hz frequency, which is negative to humans. I appreciate that this price is way, way lower.
I'm looking forward to using the violet ray wand, I'm going to test it out on moles, and lot of other ideas.
Thanks for your replies.
thankful
Hey again,,
I am totally unfamiliar with the idea of voltages around the cells, so thanks for the lowdown on that! Out of interest, how you read any accounts of anyone over-doing it with the MWO? I'm wondering if thats possible. I guess (thinking aloud here), that standard thinking would say that too much and the bodies own mechanisms would become lowered, as they dont have to work hard (like astronauts who spend too much time in space and get muscle wasteage). But then we are exposed to so much negative EM noise and etc, like the 60hz wave you mentioned, that perhaps lots of MWO would balance it. Thoughts?
I remember RB saying something along the lines of how the quest for physical immortality could be equated to stopping the energy drain from the body as we go through life. Which could easily be rlated to the cell voltage thing. Hhmm.
all the best
Rob
Inguma,
If you go too long on the MWO, you would get a horrendous detoxificaton reaction. All of the horrible heavy metals like mercury, pesticides, fungus, bacteria, aspartame, and all manner of toxins would be released from the cells in a rush and the body couldn't handle getting rid of it. The lymphatic system, kidneys, liver would get all clogged up and more damage could be done as the toxins would resettle and couldn't leave the body. This could be compared to a person going on a 40 day fast when they are not used to smaller fasts and then getting very ill or dying. In this age of pollution we have to take it easy and make sure our drainage organs are open.
I wish I could remember where I read it, but someone mentioned time travel in relation to staying in the MWO for a long length of time.
Interesting thought, the immortality thing. When our energy isn't being used up trying to maintain and heal our body, lots of energy is available for the occurrence of spiritual gifts. There's lot of ways to free up our energy. For example, it takes more energy to digest meat then to digest vegetables. It even matters what we drink. If we drink a lot of water, this will wash out our cells. But if we drink a lot of coffee and pop. A lot of energy will be used to detox from these things and not enough water coming in to dump the garbage out of the cells. All these things tie up our energy. Now having the will power to live without your pet energy drains , this is something else all together. It takes a lot of strength to change old habits.
Thanks for the interesting converstion!
Oh yeah, I remembered where it mentioned time travel in relation to MWO but it was only a mentioned and nothing was explained about it. But maybe it could send you on a rabbit trail if you're interested. It's www.integraton.com under "let's get technical".
thankful
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"Simply because religious experiences are brain based does not automatically lessen or demean their spiritual significance. Indeed, the findings of neurological substrates to religious experiences can be argued to provide evidence for their objective reality"
Yes, I too have had the thought that creating certain conditions can facilitate experiences but as to what the experience and the source is still open.
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There is a place in Pennsylvania and also in North Carolina that are doing experimental treatments with powerful magnets, about the size of ones in an MRI machine. These powerful magnets are especially good for Cerebral Palsy, Multiple Sclerosis, Strokes, chronic pain, etc. For more info, go to www.amti.nc.com. It seems that the North pole of a magnet really causes oxygen to go to the area where it's applied, it also reduces inflammation.
That link did not work for me, I did find various companies but not something that I could connect to the subject here.
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When you have a regular MRI, you can't take credit cards in with you, or the info on them will be wiped out. I've also read that you can't bring a powerful magnet close to your computer of info will also be wiped out. So if negs are electromagnetic entities, maybe magnets could erase their info or else the info that is allowing them to attach.
Nor anything else with magnetic material. There are safety features to cause magnetic field collapse should someone be trapped by an object being pulled to the scanner. Costs a fortune in lost cooling gasses.
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I'd love it if anybody could share how to use iron to come against negs. One thing I do remember reading is that you can use an iron knife and cut along your skin at the problem area, like you are severing an attachment. I also read where somebody swung their iron golf club at something that was trying to materialize and the iron seemed to disrupt it.
This is an account of where it seems iron is being used for a paranormal defence purpose.
A few of us visited a place in southern England known locally for its play on the Jack and Jill nursury rhyme. There is a well at the top of a hill with various plaques depicting the rhyme along the path to the top. When we got to the top of the path we noted some energy lines, there were three of us dowsing these lines and noted that a line running up the hill disected another line at the top of the hill. We interpreted a disturbance at this point and we walked about looking for the edges and so on. While doing so we also noted chunks of iron at the edges of the convergence, one was a re-inforcing rod pushed into the ground with the bit exposed bent into a hook, another piece looked like an axle of some sort and was placed opposite the other piece.
A person with us went on to explain that at one time it was common for iron to be laid within the brickwork of house walls for the purpose that your text outlines. What we found maybe suggested that others had noted and were concerned to minimise the impact of the convergence of the energy lines. We plan to go back some time and see if we can detail the lines more accurately (overall direction) and also see if any iron bits are still in evidence.
Sorry for the bad link. I should have checked for typos. Try www.amripa.com or www.amri.nc.com
thankful
negs are basically a foreign magnetic field 'virus' which is someone's focused evil thoughtform forced into your energy system literally trying to take over the flow of your meridians:
1)They can move so they have energy
2)they generally have a common Modus operandi;they can morph, the heavy breathing, clutching at your heart dreams, heaviness upon chest, bad luck, covering various parts of the body, winding and unwinding...etc. Almost like a snake.
3)Just like Virus' they slowly try to take over the body through the person's own energy system and try to integrate into it but altering it to suit their appetites.
4) evolutionary wise, these negs are smart enough to coexist with their hosts for long periods of time causing energy drainage and poor health, symptoms of madness and sometimes even death, depending on the force of the thoughtform.
Good news is that they are a magnetic species, having the tendency to make you feel cold upon attack.
Bad news is not many people understand this or how difficult it is to remove one.
There are two ways to disrupt a magnetic field;
1)align it with another more powerful magnet, your own body's magnet...through meditation and excercise but that takes time and that leaves kids not much hope. This is why iron is considered very useful in allaying curses and witchcraft.
2)heat destroys a magnet.
i'm wondering if anyone suffering with a neg problem had an MRi? did they feel better after having an mri, can a negs be detected using MRi's?
i'm hoping if there is a doctor in the forum who has access to research university mRi's if they would be willing to experiment.
Instead of people suffering, I think this kind of energy research using new technology in medicine would be the most useful.