Living in negative/evil locales

[Two Bears]

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I live in a very negative place--satanic practices and evil in general. If a person were to die in such a place would his soul
be in more danger as opposed to dying in a "more tranquil" location?
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Not really. Before a person passes; they begin seeing glimpses into the OtherWorld, and shortly before death; one of the persons loved ones comes to help the Soul make the transition.

Some Earthbound spirits are afraid to cross over for fear of being punished,

Some are attached to things here belongings, drugs, etc.

Two Bears

Aloha nui loa
Received the title "master" 8 times and still trying to master myself.

[Violet]

Dear Eric,

It is you and how you have lived your life which determine your experience after death.  I am more concerned about your living in such a place rather than if you died in such a place.  It must be terribly hard to be surrounded by negativity.  Extra prayer and mediation would likely be needed to keep your humour and 'spirits up'.  If you ever need to be cheered up or need a pick me up please let us know!

Love and Light to You,
Violet

[LadyLea]

Hi, Eric!  I am sorry you live in a place that is filled with that sort of element.  I once lived near a place that was exactly as you describe.  It was awful and memories of that place still bother me--not fright but asking the question why(which will never be answered really).  I tend to think like the other responses as to whether your soul would be in more danger dying in that area.  I can understand your concern though.  IMO when we die and pass over the area around us does not concern us anymore or us with it except for family members and friends.  Also, it might depend on whether we have let go of this world(avoid being a discarnate being) and go home(where we came from).

That is my two cents.  

If your focus your life on hate, anger, and regret, it is only your fault for what you get.

[Winged_Wolf]

If you don't like the location--fix it.  In my experience, Satanists don't generally have enough of a grasp of what they're doing to actually notice that they're being interfered with, and if they do, they probably won't be able to figure out who dunnit.  You could just clean the place up, and lock everything down.


--Winged Wolf

[Murphy]

Winged Wolf, I don't think it's that simple, as M.Scott Peck and [now-deceased] Malachi Martin might have told you.

Have you ever read People Of The Lie by M.Scott Peck?

http://jelleym.tripod.com/badluck/badluck.html">Bad Luck Murphy

[Two Bears]

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If you don't like the location--fix it.  In my experience, Satanists don't generally have enough of a grasp of what they're doing to actually notice that they're being interfered with, and if they do,
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I read some of your other messages and ignored them, but I can't ignore this one.

Moving away is NOT the answer; because if one or more of those Satanists is an Adept; you CAN'T get away from them unless you move to the moon or mars (and maybe it would work).

I have printed E-Mails where I have played tag energeticaly with people thousands of miles away. I have passed Reiki attunements to students in india; about 11,000 miles away.

Dr. Edgar Mitchell conducted an ESP experiment with people on earth (while he was in apollo 14 capsule (if memory serves))

In the book "Shaman Healer Sage" Alberto Viloldo was a complete skeptic that Shamans could affect him from a distance; and he learned the truth.

I hope you never encounter that things that I and many others have; because ignorance is bliss.

Two Bears

Aloha nui loa
Received the title "master" 8 times and still trying to master myself.

[Winged_Wolf]

I am talking about actual Satanists--NOT about black ceremonial magickians, practitioners of vodoun, or ANYTHING else.  Very few Satanists have a level of skill high enough to take on a person who has reasonable knowledge of psychic self-defense.  Little kiddie devil worshippers even less so.

Now, someone who's a beginner, or has no such skills, yes they'll be vulnerable.  
And I agree, moving away isn't the answer--unless they don't know you exist, of course, then they're not going to follow you because they weren't interested in you in the first place.

As to ignoring my posts--you and I are probably going to disagree a lot.  IMO, that's fine.  People will decide for themselves which advice they agree with.  This isn't a competition.  I have a great deal of experience, and a great deal of training in psychic combat and defense.  You may, as well--but it may be quite different from mine.
It may be that sometimes, one of us is correct, and the other is not--or both may be correct--or neither.  We have no way of knowing this--we have only OUR experiences to draw on, and the conclusions we draw from them are honest.  That's what we have to offer to people--nothing less, and definitely nothing more.


--Winged Wolf

[Two Bears]

Winged Wolf; my brother.

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magickians, practitioners of vodoun, or ANYTHING else.  Very few Satanists have a level of skill high enough to take on a person who has reasonable knowledge of psychic self-defense.  Little kiddie
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This is correct generaly; but making general assumptions can get you into trouble.

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As to ignoring my posts--you and I are probably going to disagree a lot.  IMO, that's fine.  People will decide for themselves which advice they agree with.  This isn't a competition.  I have a great deal of experience, and a great deal of training in psychic combat and defense.  You may, as well--but it may be quite different from
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I will make no comments; because I only know you by your posts.

I only wish to point out that a person under a psychic attack; the solution is to set up shields instead of using the simplistic advice "move away"

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It may be that sometimes, one of us is correct, and the other is not--or both may be correct--or neither.  We have no way of knowing this--we have only OUR experiences to draw on, and the conclusions we draw
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Correct. We only have the things we have learned, and first hand experiences to draw on.

Two Bears

Aloha nui loa
Received the title "master" 8 times and still trying to master myself.

[LadyLea]

Here's my two cents--for what it is worth.

I lived with my mom and sister in a house that was 1000 feet from a barn that was used as a place for ritualistic killings.  When they discovered I had discovered their place of worship, they killed a pit bull, white in color, drained it of blood and placed it facing my house.  It escalted from there.  My room became the home of a spirit that loved to scare me.  Being me, I never showed my fear but I am sure it sensed it.  However, these people doing this were skilled and dangerous.  One night I walked outside to water and feed my dog when I looked into the huge field and saw a tall man smoking a cigarette, watching me.  I only saw his silhouette but that was enough.  My heart froze.  I, being defiant as usual, shrugged my shoulders and went inside--pretending it did not phase me.  But I told my sister immediately.  The next day Katy had a cut on her neck where it looked like blood had been oozing.  When we finally moved, we found knives under our beds--among other things.  I saw demons and even faced a couple myself.  Two Bears, is there a difference between a neg with green eyes and red?  I've always wondered.  I digress.  My point is this: If you are facing satanists, it is always best to be cautious but defend yourself against the psychic/spirit attacks.  If it is too much find help from a pro.  Not only were there those kind of harassing incidents but we were followed and chased.  I don't know why I wrote all this.  I guess it is because I am dealing with it even today.  The animals I saw then still haunt me.  The way they were killed and I pray they did not suffer.  But I do know that it took moving out of that state for the paranormal activity to stop--at least most of it.  Now, especially since I started trying to develop my abilities, some strange things have started.  But this time most of the activity is positive.  I live in the Southwest and I have a Indian spirit watching over me.  He revealed himself to me as a wolf(I am serious).  I think the reason why we are having positive paranormal activity(most of it) is because our house is over an underground river.  

A part of me really needed to purge myself of this.  It is difficult to talk to people about it.  Maybe someone here, in these forums, can benefit from my experience. I learned I was stronger than I thought I was.  And I am still here!

If your focus your life on hate, anger, and regret, it is only your fault for what you get.

[Winged_Wolf]

Now, the person did not say they were the target of ANY sort of attack.  If they had, I would have given different advice.  They simply are aware of these activities in their area.

Next--for crying out loud, call the police if people are breaking into your house!  If you're extra lucky, they'll get prints off the knives.  Set up a physical alarm system.  You don't fight physical attacks with psychic tactics alone.   Buy a gun, man!

Oh, and I am female, by the way.


--Winged Wolf

[LadyLea]

Winged Wolf, I think you offer sound advice but you did not live there. My mom did call the police and one night someone was chased in the field next to my house by the sheriff.  No one was caught.  What happened to me was not just teens and the like.  It went further than that.  Your advice sounds good but sometimes it is not as cut and dry as you think.  The teens were doing the satanistic related things but my father was practicing ceremonial magick which, as I think you know, is entirely different.  It takes a lot more skill and discipline.  I posted a response here to offer advice and share.  It feels like you are attacking me for sharing.  I agree that we draw on OUR own experiences in order to help others.  So please respect my POV.  My experience was different from yours and I am sorry if you feel like I handled it incorrectly.  I was fifteen, living with my mom and sister(both experiencing it), finding out that my father was using ceremonial magick against us, and finding a barn that sacrificed animals to the devil.  If you could have handled it  differently, then I congratulate you!  You only hear a small part of my experience here in this post.  I do not think I deserved your attack on something you did not experience first hand.  If I misinterpreted your intent in your post, I apologize.  But to me it feels like you lack compassion about a subject that can be scary, confusing, and dangerous(depending on the level of involvement of the participants and their skill) to those never exposed to this sort of thing before it occurs.

If your focus your life on hate, anger, and regret, it is only your fault for what you get.

Edited by - LadyLea on 05 March 2002  01:35:21

[Winged_Wolf]

No, I'm not lacking in compassion for the situation--I'm just of the mind to deal with something however necessary.  I don't think there's any sense in backing down in situations like that, because people who do those kinds of things will only move in for the kill when they sense weakness--they won't stop.  It's not a dominance ploy at that point, it's a predatory act.  You can be prey, or you can fight back.


--Winged Wolf

[Erictwo]

Winged Wolf, I don't think it's that simple, as M.Scott Peck and [now-deceased] Malachi Martin might have told you.

Have you ever read People Of The Lie by M.Scott Peck?

http://jelleym.tripod.com/badluck/badluck.html">Bad Luck Murphy
[/Thanks for your email Murph. Like you, I'm not particularly interested in evil for evil's sake and like you not interested in
murder etc. Biggest problem in my life outside of being raised by
very selfish people has been living in very negative areas--Long Island, two areas in Florida, one in California, Nebraska, and now
West Texas.

[Winged_Wolf]

Nope, sure haven't.


--Winged Wolf

[Erictwo]

I live in a very negative place--satanic practices and evil in general. If a person were to die in such a place would his soul
be in more danger as opposed to dying in a "more tranquil" location?