The Astral Pulse

I've been having some serious issues for the past six years, and now they've come to a full head.

Six years ago, whilst I was in prayer, a powerful negative thing came over me. It poured itself into my being like a putrid cloud. My forehead burned and my aura was overcome with disgusting energy. The thing rooted itself in my dantien (the energy center below the navel) and I was keenly aware that it was eating my essence. It never left.

Years of attempting to rid myself of this thing have failed. It caused extreme upheaval and ended in me losing my christian faith.

Recently I learned of Kabballah and attempted the path of Magician. The banishing rituals seemed to strengthen me and helped where christianity had failed. I aventually, through a combination of faith, will, and the right mindset, managed to throw out the demon. Ninety percent of it's energy was expelled, which I quickly banished. It was the best day of my life.

Then something else happened. What was left of the dark energy condenced into a core of sorts, and began to dig. It went past my dantien, and dug into the very core of my Root Chakra, which is now completely blocked. It then began pouring its energy into my aura, which is now even more corrupted than before. I kept myself in good cheer and continuted to have faith regardless.

Then, a few days later, something even more terrible happened. Some other dark force came over me. This one was of a different variety. It didn't seem to be dirty, just dark. It forced itself into my heart chakra, where it attempted to wrestle control of my body from me. I battled it with my will, and succedded in stopping it from attempting to control me. What was left of that also condenced and has now bored itself into my heart chakra, which is now corrupted and blocked.

Needless to say, I've had enough. I've considered suicide or having myself commited. I don't think I can live a normal life under this horrible strain any longer. Everything I do only makes things worse, and I've poured years of concentration into ending just one demonic problem. Now I'm heir to two.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated, though I'm not certain I any longer have the will to carry it out.

-Last Ditch Effort.

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Any assistance would be greatly appreciated, though I'm not certain I any longer have the will to carry it out.

If you don't have strength to fight anymore, then maybe you should ask someone for help?
I've heard that many people who had problems with negs received help from demons, asking for help will not do any harm, so why don't give a try?
If you are interested, visit:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/AllDemons.html

Reading up on the Goetia demons is what caused my second possession. Concentrating on their symbols and names apparantly calls them up quite effectively and unintentionally. I don't think it is wise, nor safe, to summon up such forces without first attaining the proper connection with one's higher self. Otherwise you end up serving, and not the other way around.

In reply, I'm doing somewhat better. I've been fighting tooth and nail, and this secondary possession (for lack of a better term) seems to be losing ground.

Still, any advice would be greatly appreciated. Otherwise I'll just continue to grin and strive. Better than sticking a knife in my throat, I suppose. Though perhaps only marginally.

I'm really not advanced enough to give advice, but I'm glad you didn't opt the knife way. Very relieved actually. I can try to help you remotely, if you want, but seeing as i don't know you, I'm not sure if it would work, and i don't want to make things worse.

Once again, very relieved you chose to keep on going. You will be in my thoughts.

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Reading up on the Goetia demons is what caused my second possession. Concentrating on their symbols and names apparantly calls them up quite effectively and unintentionally. I don't think it is wise, nor safe, to summon up such forces without first attaining the proper connection with one's higher self. Otherwise you end up serving, and not the other way around.

Could you tell more about it?

Certainly.

I was at my wits end dealing with this demonic force, so I figured I'd read up into goetia and see if I could find out the demon's name, or at least who ruled it and whatnot.

While I was reading the goetia and looking at the symbols I noticed a change in atmosphere. I felt something in my perephrial vision, so to speak. I ignored it.

Later that day I realized there was a spiritual force, not of me, affecting the way I felt. I could sense that it was attaching itself to my heart chakra. I attempted to push it away, and when it realized it was discovered it gripped all the harder and then started to force it's way into my chakra. This lead to a feeling of confusion, and distortion. My heart chakra started to shut itself down in defense.

As the hours progressed I noticed the problem was getting worse. Then, suddenly, I started moving not of my own accord. I could rest my will and my body would still move. I was a passive bystander in my own skin. My thoughts weren't my own, my actions weren't my own, and a combat of wills had occured.

After a few hours of concentration and banishment, the majority of the force left. It decided it couldn't control me outright, I assume. But the thing had already done it's damage. It is either in, or linked to my heart chakra. The feelings in said chakra aren't my own, and there is a displacement of my true nature there. I have become a mix of myself and this entity, though I am the one in control.

As long as this force remains there I won't be able to fully function as myself, and I run the risk of being easily decieved. With that chakra shut down I lack most of my ability to contact the Higher nature, and therefore am at even more of a disadvantage.

If only I knew which demon this was, I would try to act against it. But I don't think it's wise to attempt further workings with the goetia, seeing as what has happened already.

Demons tinkle me off.

Visualizing heaven opening up and Angels forcing the entity into the light seems to have some effect. I know, it's cheesy, but I was desperate. I also spent quite a bit of time concentrating on the force and visualizing it being burned. This has led to some relief, but I can still feel a Will Core, so to speak, sitting in there and messing everything up. Doing these visualizations seems to make it uncomfortable. It moves about when I do this as if it's trying to wiggle itself into a better position.

So, there you have it. My first experience with the goetia blows. I suppose this is why it's recommended you contact your higher self first.

Thanks for warning, I'll be more careful.

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Visualizing heaven opening up and Angels forcing the entity into the light seems to have some effect. I know, it's cheesy, but I was desperate. I also spent quite a bit of time concentrating on the force and visualizing it being burned. This has led to some relief, but I can still feel a Will Core, so to speak, sitting in there and messing everything up. Doing these visualizations seems to make it uncomfortable. It moves about when I do this as if it's trying to wiggle itself into a better position.

I think that anything that helps is good. Also you could learn to control your thoughts, so it'll be possible to distinguish your thoughts and those forced by the entity. Maybe you could try Lesser Pentagram Banishing Ritual?

I've done it and mastered it. It's not all that effective for things that have become a part of you. Same with the Star Ruby. You have to find a way to get them out of you first. Then you can banish them. The trouble is it takes an inordinate amount of willpower to keep them out of the circle once you do manage to remove part of it from yourself, since its become so attached to you.

And I do know my own thoughts, but it becomes extremely difficult to decipher when massive quantities of your being shut off and that which remains is tainted. It's like trying to walk a razor blade line. Or like trying to attain enlightenment with a timebomb straped to your leg, and you only have fifteen minutes before it's all over.

Hmmm... What would happen if you would overstimulate your heart chakra? Maybe it would cleanse itself?

Wow, that's a problem you have there PissedoffMystic. (I like the name). Have you tried to perform a type of Middle Pillar exercise right after bannishing. I think it should help you when you keep doing that for a few months, on a daily basis. I have another question. Are you sure that the first possession was'nt something that was in your system allready. Just something small that got bigger when you exalted in your prayer. Keep the faith, my thoughts are with you .

I've been doing the middle pillar, actually. When I get to the heart chakra I begin to convulse to such a degree that it nearly breaks all of my concentration. It's quite horrible, really. Feels like someone is lifting me by my chest.

And yes, I didn't realize it at the time but something was lingering around me for a while, and whilst I was in prayer it took advantage of me being spiritualy open and forced itself into me.

And yes, I realize it's quite a problem. I haven't lived a real day in years. There are even crazier things that have happened to me, but I don't see the point about talking about them. Needless to say if I'm not going to end my life I had better overcome this.

Six years wasted. I've exhuasted myself. I'm thinking about joining a monastary to devote all of my time to this. I can hardly keep a job anymore.

It might actually a be good idea to join that monestry, being in a different, maybe more holy, place might weaken its grasp it has on you. Don't hessitate to ask help, maybe through that link that cocademon gave you. There must be a reason that it can connect with you so easily, I was thinking about the place you live in now, or something from a past live, but I can't help you there but I know there are pro's who can. Do everything you can to keep at bay don't give up. It might also be an idea to stop reading and practicing occult things, it seems to increase in strength when you do that. My prayers and thoughts are with you.

I treat everyday like its an exorcism and keep fighting. I'm freeing up, it's happening slowly. But you're right about one point some people here don't seem to get.

When they're in you, shields aren't gonna help and banishing rituals help a little but not enough. You gotta get to a point where they are out and keep them out, then use the banishing and the shielding.

No one can get through this alone, that's why support, especially on bad days is so important.

QuoteSix years wasted. I've exhuasted myself. I'm thinking about joining a monastary to devote all of my time to this. I can hardly keep a job anymore.

That's something a lot of people don't have a grasp on, life has to go on despite the neg and the neg doesn't care, they just take advantage of it. This is why people suffering this need help and support, surviving consumes energy and there is nothing left for you. Everyone needs some respite to gain energy, heal, and overcome this thing.

In reply to going to a monastary: That would be akin to suicide. I have a life I desperately want to live. Spending my days in a monastary would be a waste of that life. I don't think it to be a viable option; only the vestiges of hope in an otherwise hopeless situation.

But honestly, I don't have the strength to keep on fighthing. My last refuge has been taken from me. Blind hope is foolish, and I'm tired of holding up these tattered rags of stoicism. I've pushed beyond all concievable limits to attain nothing. It's really quite pathetic.

This will most likely be my last post, unless something compelling is said. As I expected the advice administered I have already thought of and attempted.

I suppose it's time to realize and accept the truth.

I've lost. Game over.

Fin.

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I suppose it's time to realize and accept the truth.

I've lost. Game over.

Maybe instead of giving up you should PM Robert Bruce for help? He's really experienced in doing exorcisms, and I think that he will help you....

Or maybe you didn't only read goetia, but also tried summoning demons with goetic methods?

Don't let yourself go down, this thing will ''win'' on you if you do so. They have slowly dragged you down where they went you to be: in a cyclical state of negative pattern where desperation and many other negative thoughts are being what you will used the greatest percentage of every day you are living ( they like to feed themselves from such things).

You really have to break this cycle and approach a new positive thought pattern and try not to say such thing as ''I lived a worthless life'' or ''I will not make it''; a radical change of your way you perceive your life may make this thing see you not as a place where they want to stay. Imagine yourself climbing the stairs, day by day, toward a better life and soon or later, you will find a way. This not any magical recipe but I'm trying to help somehow....

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Take care,

I have not read the full thread, but if all fails may i suggest you go to a medium? Mediums and Shamans are quite capable of helping with these kinds of issues.

Erik

I appreciate all of the advice. I'm not a negative person, though my aura is steeped in the most putrid and negative energy imaginable. I have managed to keep my game face on and think positive for years now, but the cylindrical nature of such things is wearing on me. No real advance is being made, and a positive additude starts to become rediculous at a point.

The second problem did honestly arise from only reading the goetia and looking at the symbols. I made no effort to contact them, but was quite sucessful regardless. I've come to grips with the fact that there is some sort of gaping hole in my defense system and pretty much anything just walks on in. I have no idea why this is. Perhaps the first problem has rendered me so weak my spiritual walls have been dashed, so to speak.

I'm actively seeking out a shaman or an exorcist of some sort, but it's proving to be quite difficult. I also left a message on the Robert Bruce question section, so I've pretty much got all of my bases covered.

Again, thank you for all of your kind words and thoughts.

I would try these:

http://www.barbarabrennan.com/

Phone numbers and how to contact a student of Barbara's:
http://www.barbarabrennan.com/bbsh/introduction/find_a_healer.html

I would also try Violet Rose next week (she is recovering from a very nasty neg attack and won't be able to help this week).

Well, I see that you've been offered some great advice, and you did ask for help. In the meanwhile I've been doing a bit of homework. A Dutch psychotherapist wrote 2 books on demonic possession. (I don't think they're translated in English but here are the ISBN numbers. Uninfited guest nr. 9075568053 and Voices from the shadow nr. 9075568061.) He states that demons feed on negativity. Negative thoughts like (I wasted my time ) or (I'm gonne lose). You're feeding them wether you're aware of it or not. Be possitive, always. You also talk about a gaping hole in your defense. Of course there is a hole. You had doubts (losing faith) while dealing with occult matters (looking up info on goeatic daimoons), that's like dropping all firewalls on your computer and posting a sign with "the door is open". Close the door, please. I mean, don't have any doubts in all that you do, esspecially when dealing with the occult. There's nothing wrong with fighting this thing but maybe you could fight in a different way. You could try to feel compassion for it, have mercy for it, pray that the Lord may give it His Blessing for as much as it can muster. Give it possitive vibes. That's how the Dutch therapist handled these cases. Well I pray that you get the help you need and my thoughts and prayers are with you.

U could astral project get a good hard look at it (so you can figure out what it is) Stare it in its squinty ugly hate filled eyes. and kick its arse.

seriously, try it maybe it'll chicken out like omg this person isn't scared of me anymore, run!

You know I had a friend who was attacked and very nearly possessed. Don't assume its something powerful. Many dead spirits just were negative people in life and when they died they continued to be evil and gained more power than they ever should have.

luck to ya

Firstly, I would like to thank all of your for your kind words and help. It's been greatly appreciated.

I'm doing much better now, actually. Better than I thought I ever would be. I ran into a shaman who was able to somehow visit me in spirit and remove the thing remotely. As insane as that sounds to me, it worked to such a degree that I can do nothing but believe. Apart from some residual energy, the thing is gone. I'm at a loss, actually. I haven't been free from this in years.

Turns out the spirit was Azaroth. To hell with him, and may his days be torment for all time.

I urge anyone else who is having such issues to seek outside help. I didn't think this was possible, but now I'm on the road to actual recovery. And I now have a friend who is willing to assist me with any other spiritual hiccups I run into.

Best wishes to all of you.

-PissedOffMystic

I understand what you are going through, I myself is going through spirit possession. I also feel hopeless and exhausted but we have to keep going. I know that tiredness, that alien feeling you get, but please do not give hope. Perhaps together we can go through this thing and surpass it, I have hope. Please do not commit suicide, I know I was so close in doing so myself but there are after all others like me and I'm not alone. And there is after all others like me who was ABLE to overcome this, so bear with me.

Who was the second spirit (the one who were possibly a goetic entity)?  Was he removed as well?

This is really good to hear.  :D

Recover well and take care,

Yes !! Congrats, I knew this would happen.

*blush*

I didn't read the above post ..

It's nice to know that you are feeling better.

QuoteLater that day I realized there was a spiritual force, not of me, affecting the way I felt. I could sense that it was attaching itself to my heart chakra. I attempted to push it away, and when it realized it was discovered it gripped all the harder and then started to force it's way into my chakra. This lead to a feeling of confusion, and distortion. My heart chakra started to shut itself down in defense.

As the hours progressed I noticed the problem was getting worse. Then, suddenly, I started moving not of my own accord. I could rest my will and my body would still move. I was a passive bystander in my own skin. My thoughts weren't my own, my actions weren't my own, and a combat of wills had occured.

After a few hours of concentration and banishment, the majority of the force left. It decided it couldn't control me outright, I assume. But the thing had already done it's damage. It is either in, or linked to my heart chakra. The feelings in said chakra aren't my own, and there is a displacement of my true nature there. I have become a mix of myself and this entity, though I am the one in control.

Very well worded and described...that's exactly what happens and why I get so ticked off at people who keep saying look withinfirst. You need your senses under control in order to look within and see what is wrong and what is not. The creature giving you hell has to be brought under some level of control to supply respite so self examination can exist and built upon. If that isn't possible, then the next best thing is a supportive environment so that people under attack can remember what respect, love, and human dignity mean...which often doesn't happen.

Trying to do self examination beforehand is like putting the cart before the horse and defies common sense.

Not only that, but healing is hard as hell. Six years of this has left me quite a different person, so restoration has proved to be quite dramatic, actually. Everything I thought was me was partly not, and so everything I have been built on is being rooted out, and my whole existence is collapsing around me. I'm more depressed than I was with the problem, and that's saying something. But I believe this is temporary, or at least I hope.

Also, when you are this unsure of yourself you are a hotbed for further demon activity, since it's quite easy to mistake what is you and what is not during such a tramatic time.

The answer is quite simply outside assistance. Alot of it. Theres no other way. To do otherwise is to attempt heart transplant surgery on yourself, which is ludicrious.

Quote from: PissedOffMystic. Everything I thought was me was partly not, and so everything I have been built on is being rooted out, and my whole existence is collapsing around me. I'm more depressed than I was with the problem, and that's saying something. But I believe this is temporary, or at least I hope.

Good observation, I often note with people the degree of emotional exaggeration resulting from some entity presence. Initially, in the absence of this presence one can feel empty and without purpose or drive but that for me is a good sign and is also a sign of a balance in the self, that is, the emotional self is now more in balance with the intellectual self.  Initially for someone freed from entity influence it can take some getting used to while one re-explores ones thoughts, these being no longer encumbered by undue external  influence.

QuoteNot only that, but healing is hard as hell. Six years of this has left me quite a different person, so restoration has proved to be quite dramatic, actually. Everything I thought was me was partly not, and so everything I have been built on is being rooted out, and my whole existence is collapsing around me. I'm more depressed than I was with the problem, and that's saying something. But I believe this is temporary, or at least I hope.

Also, when you are this unsure of yourself you are a hotbed for further demon activity, since it's quite easy to mistake what is you and what is not during such a tramatic time.

The answer is quite simply outside assistance. Alot of it. Theres no other way. To do otherwise is to attempt heart transplant surgery on yourself, which is ludicrious.

Yeah, again, excellent wording. When your senses are manipulated and altered, YOU are altered, and without room to feel something objective or help from the outside to show you what "objective" might be. you're lost.

This should be common sense, and it' still stunning to me how common sense can fail with people who do all that life threatening book reading...they know everything after all.

One more thing...Robert Bruce did say in his book that there is a period of depression after the neg has been removed...you have to learn how to move through things and feel like yourself again. I think what you're going through is normal and won't last.

i also had a neg affecting the way i think/act. I did not know about hem for a while. i went into great depression. it was actually some one that was all dark, he dressed in an all black suit. And followed me every where. I think he is gone, but ever so often i get thought i know i would never really think. i tried a few things.

I still don't understand what the topic creator meant by "reading the Goetia"

Do you know what the Goetia is?

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Do you know what the Goetia is?

Here's updated Goetia:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/DemonNames.html

Mystic,
Healing is important, and I can understand how it is hard for you. If it's any help, try to move forward instead of rebuilding because you'll never get back to the way you were, a good option is to try your best to become a better person, however you see that. Just my advice is to move forward, don't dwell on the bad stuff too much at this point. Just keep a positive attitude and build all over again, and believe that you can do it even better. Hope it helped.

There method to ask for help from  this post , which worked wonderfully. Best I found. try it by ( written by casar )
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11690&highlight=posession

I like the way pissedoffMystic, talks about demons as if it were an everyday thing. then again, maybe thats where the problem stems.

Dear PissedOffMystic...my understanding and support goes out to you.
Our lives sound similar and I can relate wholeheartedly with the pure frustration!!!

I'm interested in knowing if you have any "parasitic-like" dream experiences in regards to the dark, burrowing mass. I had an OBE last night that scared the crap out of me, and i don't scare easy where demons and neg's are concerned.  The experience isn't as important as the feeling I awoke with... violently ill and vomiting. I could sense a pure evilness surrounding me, and what darkness already lays within...was on the move. It was clear to me, as I was vomiting my guts out...that I was exorcising something that was attempting to move from my root chakra (dormant) into my heart-mind chakra (to activate). The vomiting happens to me on occasion when in states of high anxiety, but i could visualize it more than ever before. A black parasitic creature I was expelling. I live in an airstream camper, so I went outside to purge.  Yes, it was night, but I could feel the shadow of something ominous tearing around me in outrage...a sense of a maternal type anger in relation to the parasitic thing I was releasing/incubating.  Anyway...

I haven't found anything that really works as far as self-defense goes. I've been dealing with these things for 30 years...so it's old & tired, and more of a maintenance program, and learning to deal.  I too in the past have contemplated & made half-butt attempts at ending it all.  The feeling of insanity is "terrorizing" to say the least. It has been easier to accept and move on...as opposed to continuously straining to conquer (which I feel represents a more dire, drastic, panicked state) (which doesn't help)...
and when it doesn't work...adds to the feeling of weakness/hopelessness.

It's just something that I've had to learn to cope with, and keep at bay.  
I imagine some people would recoil at the idea of having a pet snake, or tarantula...it's kind of the same thing...."pet demons"!?!
It was never my choice, but they followed me home, and moved in. In my particular situation I believe it was being raised in a violent environment that kept me in a constant state of fear, and a lot of withdrawing into the astral realm for escape, and begging into the darkness to be rescued...
that opened me up to attack. Be very careful what u wish/pray for!!!
(for the negatives lurk closer (waiting to answer the calls) then those of higher/more enlightened standing do). All in all I chose to believe that I have learned a great deal from it...that i am more aware of "other things" more than most, and I have a great understanding of how these dark things function, behave and react (their mentality)...which I feel will become a most useful tool very soon in this world.  

keep on...keeping on.
strength and a higher understanding...always
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Why are there so many psychic attacks by dark forces nowadays, it almost looks like a virus to me. Is it because the times are changing, a desperate last effort from the darker forces to keep us away from the coming light, or are we feeding them when we  talk about them. It seems to easy to lock on to them these days, that scares me a bit. My defences are still in place but have been checked by some little dark pest. A warning?

I've had some deep thoughts on my mind lately that I've been too lazy to put together into a cohesive pattern, but no time like the present i suppose.

first part has to do with people defining themselves, and their situations.  we all do it, it's our language, but it amazes me that there is very little awareness of what people actually create/manifest in this world.  Thoughts about what was here "originally", how we deal with the original, that is "natural", and the rest..."artificial and implied"...something like that?!? How people have become so dependent and set on conveniences, that they have no passion to reconnect with the natural, or original.  Artificial is safer, faster, easier...but it's also more expensive, more complex, and definitely unhealthy, and has a set expiration date.  
It's very apparent that we are stuck, and IT WILL take a very drastic happening to get off our spiritual asses.

second part has to do with what "we" (majority) consider to be EVIL.  There are thoughts coming through in various forms that are suggesting a two-fold theory...1) we have lost practically all respect from those beings beyond us.  We as humans (the more conscious of us) have a certain amount of compassion for animals (some animals) (usually the infant, wide-eyed, fluffy ones)...far less compassion for insects, and no thought at all to the zillions of amoeba like creatures that live on everything (including ourselves).  Cosmically what can we compare ourselves to? ants?  Dust mites? Parasites?  2) and this keeps coming through louder and louder...that these evil, negative entities that seem to plaguing us humans in greater and greater number...are, in a manner of speaking "relatives/ancestors" (not opposite us, but the same as).  
the only thing i can equate it too, is a military, boot-camp like process of breaking us all down to whimpering, self-proclaimed idiots that understand NOTHING...so that we might be built up again...stronger, and closer to the original.  add to that a fair amount of disgust at our twisted, egotistical, self-absorbed, omnipotent, perverted behaviour and i think it's a fairly sound theory....that "they're" taking whatever steps are necessary to wake us up, and we have such an affinity and enthusiasm for the "darkside". (victim/martyr mentality)

i personally have suffered a few nervous breakdowns in regards mostly to lack of sleep and trying to be productive in an unproductive system, and it isn't something I'd wish on my worst enemy (if i had one)...but i know what it feels like to be on top of your game one moment, and tumbling through the barren void the next.  It is very, very enlightening, terrorizing and ABSOLUTELY humbling, and once (if) you return...it is a lesson one NEVER forgets...all the rules change. Unfortunately it is not up to me, and I see all the paths converging through this gauntlet...soon!  
Save for those that make serious changes back towards the original, natural & substantial.

Warriors Willing
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forgive me if this wasn't all that cohesive!

You have to remember that this whole obsession with negative things, such as egotism, perverted, etc is because from very early on in our lives, well for most of us, we are conditioned to be that way. The reason? Of course its obvious that people who feel insecure, or are greedy, are easier to control, then those who seek the less tangible things in life.

A neg as a relative, yes, I recently read something like that. They're part of our evolution in this time, as close as your legs or arms. I've read that we could not evolute further without them.  And I see how they can connect to us so easy. I don't know anyone who hasn't some fear, pride, greed etc. to work out, but I find it difficult to feel respect, compassion for something that's trying hard to put me down. Looks like feeling compassion for the shark that's eating my leg. A hard lesson to learn indeed.

Mystic, may I ask where abouts you are and any contact details/website of the shaman who helped you?

I know how "we" feel.......
tired/attacked/frustrated/fed up/limited/hurt/confused/etc/etc.
 
We live in a moment (maybe the last thousand years or so) that is a very self-centered time. The ME-ME Moment (DRAMA)........from within that space (which we LIVE) it is impossible to gain perspective of a larger picture.  It is "old" and "given" that "we" have a hard time finding compassion for the shark that is eating our leg.  My point was to invite others to step outside themselves and try to imagine what the shark feels?!?  

We "accomplish" many things throughout the day...in attempts to be *"productive"*...once in that day do we ever set ourselves aside to embody the earth, and FEEL OUR EFFECTS on it?  What energy does this planet we call our home...feel for us?
COMPASSION??? I doubt that very much.  

I don't mean to dance on anyone toes here...but my patients is so thin in this "moment"!!!  

It is to be expected in these very "rushed" times that we are not "granted" the time to witness more than the largest and most hyped-up of obstacles, but what DID we witness before the shark swallowed us whole???  What wondrous things did we miss??? As Silver Incubus so wisely noted...that the mass/herd mentality of the passive, herbivore-ish (compassionate) Sheeple are much easier to attend to, then the rogue and wild wolf...(also important here is the idea of psychically sticking to the forest vs. spiritually dwelling in the pasture...but that's another post).  

In another story...........YOU ARE THE SHARK EATING THE LEG OF SOMETHING ELSE....WHAT IS THAT SOMETHING ELSE & DO YOU CARE???

THIS IS MY POINT.

David Byrnes (Talking Heads) book "NEW SINS" lists Charity (as well as sense of humour, beauty, thrift, ambition, hope, knowledge, contentment, sweetness, honesty and cleanliness) as a fault, as another of my favorite wise men...J.Kirishnamurti expresses, "who am I to show pity, or feel sorry for another"?  I believe that "compassion" falls within these lines.  How can we so easily decide?  In one hand we have compassion for "certain" things, and in the other hand contempt for their opposites. It shouldn't be beyond us to clasp our hands, and feel nothing.  
There is a great secret in the state of being neutral.  
Where one can swim through shark infested waters without trailing the delicious scent of fear.

LINK TO "NEW SINS" http://www.davidbyrne.com/art/new_sins/index.php
also...
7 Satanic Sins
http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Sins.html

There is philosophy here, and other things that only a fool would try to describe. D. Byrnes

No More Drama
No More Personification
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*Productive* Latin translation
conficio -ficere -feci -fectum (1) [to finish , make ready, bring about, accomplish]; of arrangements, [to conclude, settle]; of time or space, [to complete, pass through]; of results, [to produce, cause]. (2) [to get together, obtain, win over]. (3) [to use up, exhaust, consume]; of food, [to chew, eat] and also [to digest]; of property, [to waste]; of living creatures, [to destroy, kill]; in gen., [to weaken, wear out], esp. of persons. Hence partic. conficiens -entis, [productive, efficient].

Well, it seems this topic has garnered a few responses.
The shaman who helped me was a fellow who goes by the nomiker of Spectral Dragon. He has a webpage here http://www.gatesofmysticism.net

I'm doing pretty damn awful nowadays. It seems my problems are quite deep, and by assisting me the forces that be are somewhat perturbed.

In response to me speaking of demons as if they were an everyday occurance: Unfortuantely for me, they are. You learn to live with it. Though I'm attempting to gain complete control over this aspect of reality. I refuse to be a slave to anyone, Discarnate or otherwise.

Right now I'm dealing with the most damaging spiritual attack I've ever experienced. After SD removed that main demon of mine (Which he did quite easily, I might add), a group of discarnite beings cut me off from my heart chakra, odd as that sounds, it's apparantly possible. Why they would care or bother, I have no idea. Apparantly harrassing me is quite intresting. This led to a horrible and dramatic spiritual decline which left me weakened. In my weakened state another demon that I had chained in the shadow of my being broke free and burrowed through my heart chakra into my inner aura where it's been doing all sorts of damage. It's as if it's eating my mind. It feels like it's actually killing me. Intresting way to go, I must say. Having your soul eaten by a spiritual worm.
Being eaten from inside.

Lovely.

All I can say is that these beings better pray they destroy me. If I manage to end this I will climb back up that tree and I will make them pay. I will be their master or I will be dead.

I am no slave.

So there are still more problems as I can see.... I do not know a lot on that but it seems, like you are describing it, that those thing can ''enter'' in you whenever they want like if all the doors of your house were open or no ''barriers'' could stop them. This shaman may help you remove it but if you have no type of ''defense'', they will continue to get in! Maybe you should have ask him also that he puts some type of powerful defense or barrier to prevent any further neg invasion....(maybe this is possible....?).

Take care,

I've been following your posts at GOM. Mick was kind enough to invite me after I had one of my more "troubling" nights.  We share a lot in common.  MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOU!  I'm pretty sure I've run the gambit/gauntlet of experiences where the darkest, most vile destruction is concerned...but were both here still talking about it...so something has to be said for that, and we still have our wits about us (though at time's barely intact).  I understand the feeding as well, the core-nibbling worms, the grotesque feeling of having something (large) slithering through your being is most distracting/disturbing, the neg attacks, the major rifts, the pouring out of energy, and the creatures that lurk in the shadows, salivating over the human race, starving, wanting and ready to pounce.  

It's been an everyday occurrence for me as well......for THIRTY years! (began when I was 6 and hasn't let up since, although it changes as I change, adapts and restructures itself as I do, but has never let up.) I'm exhausted in the sense of one person battling something much larger than this world, disheartened that so few, if any REALLY understand, and stuck between "why me", and "why not me".  I'd be interested in knowing your personal "heart-felt" thoughts that concern you ever thinking of yourself as "chosen"...or special.  Because I don't believe that anyone that goes through this with any common sense or intelligence can continue to only view it as black and white. Do you hold on to that?  The idea that there is a reason, a purpose, a position you're in that could ultimately be of great benefit?  Saying that a blind-man possesses more ability to "see" than those with sight, or a child holds more wisdom in it's words than any adult...is there something along those lines or do you consider yourself to be nothing more than a victim?

I hold a message that is impossible to convey to the masses.  Soon it will no longer be "us" FEW. The veil between the dimensions is decomposing rapidly as I speak, and what has been confined will soon be unleashed.  I think you are experiencing a major premonition on this that is manifesting itself physically in your being. The falling, the severing, the loss of heart, the infestation, attack, the ultimate control & demise of the human race is playing out in your being (as in mine)...and how do you prepare anyone for what is about to take place?!?  I feel at times that I'm the only one that exists (as a total representation of the people) that there's something I could do to save myself that would save everyone else in effect, but the time for that is coming to a close...and leaves me all the more anxious.  

What is it???  Why do we know about these things were others don't?  Why are some of the most profound humans, drooling all over themselves in infirmaries??? (God Forbid). If we can put ourselves aside for the moment...what are being shown??? Nothing has effected me that I haven't "allowed" to effect/infect me...and that's touchy subject matter where OUR functions are concerned....but wouldn't the reflection off the other side of the sword show this to be true?!? Are we not IN THE END BETTER people for it?  Better prepared?!? We are holding on!  We are strong beyond anything we could explain! We have not given in or given up!!! Yes there is a host of things that suck, and gnaw, and drain, and feed and deplete us down to the bare minimum, but do we not regain our power and hold strong?!?  Is not the "least" of us still enough to continue on? I know it is still enough to be of attraction where these things are concerned.  

The words..."give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day.  Teach him how to fish and he'll LIVE FOREVER"...keep circling through my mind as I write.    Are you not a fisherman?  Have you not dropped your line in the most devilish of waters....off the map in the land of monsters, and survived your catch?!? Survived the storms in a world that few would ever venture.  You have KNOWLEDGE of these things, and that prepares you far better than those that have NOT A CLUE!  Be strong Brother Mystic, and know that despite all your feelings..............................YOU ARE NOT ALONE!!!

The time has come to let go of being ticked off.  Golden light rises on the horizon you will see everything as it truly is, and you will know "their" weaknesses because you have FELT them to your very core!!!

You have somehow in your journey fallen into a pit of snakes.  You have REACTED, scrambled, panicked, and cried out...but you know that you are the only one that can get yourself out.  You SEE the reality of your situation, you wish others to see it too...to empathize, to grasp the SCALE of what you are experiencing.  You feel them slither around you.  You have felt their venomous fangs sink into your flesh, and you have experienced the illness of their poison.  In the worst moments when you are weak and delusional...your spirit riseth out of the pit to hover over your trapped body.  It asks you, "Are the snakes real?  Does the pit exist? Are you INDEED trapped?"  Silly questions, but your mind is doing silly things...and you let it go.  You open your mind up because what else is there to do in your final hours than entertain the possibilities??!?  A moment later there is no pit, no snakes...
You're spirit has not left you...you will command these things!!! I promise!
 
I am here for you as well...if you need to unload,
or wish to share insight.

Humbly Yours
Sister Souljah333

Wow. This is quite a bit to respond to. Firstly, thank you for taking the time out to say these things. I appreciate it deeply.

Do I feel special? This is a difficult question to answer, especially if you don't want to be branded as egotistical. Yes, I feel special. Yes, I feel different and set apart. But not because I have gone through immense spiritual attack. When I was born I was aware keenly of a sense of belonging to another race of men. A race in which my brothers were few.
This was long before I met a demon.

What happened to me was that I reached a high state of spiritual conciousness at a very young age, with no master but my higher self. I had no idea of demons or banishings or whatnot. I just lived my life. And one day, a demon saw this child with a tastey looking aura, and he sank his teeth in as deeply as he could. That would make me as special as a cow at a slaughterhouse.

Most people aren't attacked by demons because they have nothing to offer. A demon wants to feed. That is all. Sometimes he may be working under orders at some grand scale scheme against a person, but that seems unlikely. A demon is simply an unbalanced entity who is quite hungry. Anyone expelling enough energy is a prime target. Living a spiritual life, especially one of an success, is very difficult. There is much seeking to devour you.

We live in the age of the Kali Yuga. The era should shortly be over. People and things are more than ever cut off from their spiritual source, and therefore demons are running amuck. Do I think I'm better prepared? You could say that. But honestly, is being raped good preperation for being raped again? Not really. It just all sucks. That's the sad truth of it. The time wasted on demons is simply time wasted. Unless by some cruel twist of fate it is your divine Will to be chewed upon and suffer for a very long time. If that is the case, then you are merely doing your Will. It is my prayer that no one has such a Will, for what a sorry creature they would be.

But I don't think this is going to become too much worse for the world. People are going to decline spiritually, yes. People are going to exhibit demonic quilities, yes. But I don't believe there will be a widescale demonic attack. If there is, that would be insanity. The mental wards would be filled to the brim. This world isn't able to accept or believe in such things with enough conviction to fix them. If people like us fail in our endeavor to heal we are thrown into mental wards. It's as simple as that. And also quite understandable. I have a sharp mind and keen wits, but I do exhibit signs of paranoid schizophrenia. I do believe I'm being eaten alive by demons. That's fairly nutty, eh? :)

Unfortuantely, it's true.

I only read the first page and your last post, but if you did, or manage, to get rid of this demon(s) then you should get "The Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage" (http://www.chaosmagic.com/occultlibrary/holyguardianangel/index.shtml), or the modern day version, "21st Century Mage" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1578632374/102-2133318-5885719?v=glance&n=283155) by Jason Augustus Newcomb. Getting in touch with your Holy Guardian Angel is hard (6 months hard), but you can then control those demons.

How in the world do you get the "whole" of the discussion if you only read two posts??  And then you gave advice?? :shock:

Never said I got the whole of the disucssion, butt. I'm not going to read the entire bonking thread. I don't give a bonk about this guy to do that. Somebody just gave me a link to this thread and when I read about the demons I posted about the book.

Is that ok with you?

My fault, I gave this rude guy from FL this link as a warning. I don't know why he's spitting at you Nay. I am sincerely sorry.

LOL!  No it's not ok with me.. :takecover:

Warning about us or about possession?  :catfight:  It's ok Yothu, thanks for the explanation.  :grin:

Take Care,
Nay

He started acting like an butt to me for no reason. I was just posting a link to a book and this guy comes out with some excrement that I didn't even say. And he's doing it again. I never said anything about warning against possessions, wtf?

Quote from: NayWarning about us

heh

Basically I see this thread as a warning to mess with stuff like goetia. At least this is it for me...  :shock:

Quote from: JancariusHe started acting like an butt to me for no reason. I was just posting a link to a book and this guy comes out with some excrement that I didn't even say. And he's doing it again. I never said anything about warning against possessions, wtf?

Twas a joke, plus the name of this thread is....?

Quote from: yothu

Quote from: NayWarning about us

heh

Basically I see this thread as a warning to mess with stuff like goetia. At least this is it for me...  :shock:

Like I said, twas a joke, kinda like this thread... :scared3:

Eh? This thread was no joke woman!

If you are claiming that six years of agonizing spiritual possession is a "joke", then I think perhaps you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

And, also, my possession had nothing to do with goetia. That was all happenstance. Though I don't reccomend anyone attempt it anyway. It's just generally a bad idea. It's not wise to mess with such forces unless one absolutely has to.

Possesion is nothing but mental illness.

And death only happens if you accept it as an inevibility.

Quote from: PissedOffMysticEh? This thread was no joke woman!

If you are claiming that six years of agonizing spiritual possession is a "joke", then I think perhaps you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

And, also, my possession had nothing to do with goetia. That was all happenstance. Though I don't reccomend anyone attempt it anyway. It's just generally a bad idea. It's not wise to mess with such forces unless one absolutely has to.

:evillaugh: Don't you mean, wench?

It's now called, "spiritual possession?"  has it really gone....there... :eh?:     And yeah, I'm claiming that six years of agonizing..I want to be the center of attention and the victim has been a very hugh waste on your time and life.  You seriously spent SIX years agonizing over something that could never, ever, ever physically hurt you?

You really have to re-think some things....

Good luck!

Nay :headbang:

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:evillaugh: Don't you mean, wench?

Nay :headbang:

Speaking of wench...  this is a little off topic  :mrgreen:  but you remeinded me...  

I recall a time when I couldn't figure out whether to call someone a wench or a wretch... so I ended up calling her a wrench.    Hee hee

Okay now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

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Quote from: Nay
:evillaugh: Don't you mean, wench?

Nay :headbang:

Speaking of wench...  this is a little off topic  :mrgreen:  but you remeinded me...  

I recall a time when I couldn't figure out whether to call someone a wench or a wretch... so I ended up calling her a wrench.    Hee hee

Okay now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

I say you did well on both counts!  You morphed both words..WTG. :grin:

I love the small writing, btw.

I hate to sound like an internet ignoramus but WTF is WTG?  :grin:


thanks, I like it too

Quote from: LighthouseI hate to sound like an internet ignoramus but WTF is WTG?  :grin:


thanks, I like it too

Way To Go...

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Way To Go...

Thanks  :thumbsup:

Heh, you are a funny little woman.

Firstly, as for possession as a need to be the center of attention, that is pure nonsense. I didn't tell a single soul for five and a half years of it. Except my pastor - and only because I thought he might be able to help.
So that little theory of yours falls a little short.

I don't know how many times I have to tell you this before you get it through that rubber noggin of yours, but you simply don't know what you are talking about when it comes to spiritual matters.

You just need to calm down, inhale deeply, and take up a hobby or something. Perhaps craftwork would be more up your alley. As for anything spiritual, you seem to be shat out of luck.

I was curious as to why you were so damn angry and negative about all of this, but I suppose if I was wrong about everything I'd be a little ticked off as well.

You aught to start using that brain God gave you. Perhaps if you finally manage to have a coherent and logical thought you'll be able to raise your status in life a little higher than a board moderator.

Good luck!!!

Mirror mirror on the board... lets look at that little post and read it as if the poster were talking to himself... what might we find out about the reflection Nay is showing the PissedOffMystic?  :think:

Quote from: PissedOffMysticHeh, you are a funny little woman.

Firstly, as for possession as a need to be the center of attention, that is pure nonsense. I didn't tell a single soul for five and a half years of it. Except my pastor - and only because I thought he might be able to help.
So that little theory of yours falls a little short.

I don't know how many times I have to tell you this before you get it through that rubber noggin of yours, but you simply don't know what you are talking about when it comes to spiritual matters.

You just need to calm down, inhale deeply, and take up a hobby or something. Perhaps craftwork would be more up your alley. As for anything spiritual, you seem to be shat out of luck.

I was curious as to why you were so damn angry and negative about all of this, but I suppose if I was wrong about everything I'd be a little ticked off as well.

You aught to start using that brain God gave you. Perhaps if you finally manage to have a coherent and logical thought you'll be able to raise your status in life a little higher than a board moderator.

Good luck!!!

Your pastor?  Don't you DARE throw that in to enlist some kind of compassion.   My rubber noggin? hehehe  
I have to admit, that was well delivered even if it was given with a dagger in the hand.
I'm damn angry?   :twisted:  If you insist my dark one, if you insist!!.

Quote from: LighthouseMirror mirror on the board... lets look at that little post and read it as if the poster were talking to himself... what might we find out about the reflection Nay is showing the PissedOffMystic?  :think:

NOW....... lets hold up the mirror.  :wink:

Nicely said Lighthouse.

Nay  :grin:

:popcorn2:

Quote from: NayLike I said, twas a joke, kinda like this thread...

Yes, I understand.

As a matter of fact I am one of the few that actually likes you (yes, I like you), Nay, and appreciate you being here on the board.

With metta  :tickle:


PS: Hey, these smileys are kewl

Hey!!! I like Nay too! :grin:  No fair claiming her all to yourself! :kermit:

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Quote from: NayLike I said, twas a joke, kinda like this thread...

Yes, I understand.

As a matter of fact I am one of the few that actually likes you (yes, I like you), Nay, and appreciate you being here on the board.

With metta  :tickle:


PS: Hey, these smileys are kewl

Hehehe...I'm not sure if you just gave me a compliment or a major cut-down!  Well done!  :laugh7:

I think my sig says it all....

Nay

PS.  You have Runlola to thank for the smilies.  :smile:

:bump:
Well...obviously no fresh new starts for the new year taking place here.
Still haven't found the time I see to utilize all that grey pudding upstairs to move in a soft, warm, and intelligent light.
Still niggling away with the pariah.

Sweet Sweet Mystic...looking for love in all the wrong places :rabbit:
Always free to do as you wish, but hoping I can entice you back home.
I've missed you much!!!

Insatiably yours.......Soul
:kissing:

Still having that late night third bottle of wine I see and then comes out of the darkness to allow that fourth personality to have some fun. Quite the tag team

Keep up the good work.. :grin:

i should say so...two attention starved, drunken, schizophrenics always make a better think tank than one pessimystic naysayer, but you know you always get all the brownie points for effort my dear. :grin:

more love & light for 2006
soul

Pessimystic?  LOL!  That was funny!  but don't go changing on me now, dear.  I don't think I can handle you having a funny, bright side.  :laugh7:

Quote from: Nay

Quote from: LighthouseMirror mirror on the board... lets look at that little post and read it as if the poster were talking to himself... what might we find out about the reflection Nay is showing the PissedOffMystic?  :think:

NOW....... lets hold up the mirror.  :wink:

Nicely said Lighthouse.

Nay  :grin:

No wonder nobody shows their neg problems here, everyone gets bashed, flamed, beaten, and kicked out the door.

The above comment could be said for you as well, Nay. He has been holding a mirror for a very long time, which you blatantly ignore and/or refuse to look at. Nothing really intelligent here either, just "point finger and laugh" scenario which does nobody any good and everyone lots of harm. I am singling this character out because he/she is making the most ruckus BTW.  

The other side isn't acting very mature either. Flaming on both sides, nobody trying to take the other side into consideration, what a sad state of affairs. I truly hope the whole site isn't like this, aren't all of you supposed to be empaths here? I see no empathy here. ME VS YOU here, ME VS YOU there, MY PARADIGM IS BETTER THAN YOURS, YOUR PARADIGM IS OBVIOUSLY WRONG BECAUSE MINE DOESN'T AGREE, what silly nonsense from both sides. Isn't the goal of a conversation to try and understand the other, and isn't the goal of a forum to learn from other people's post? Can't happen when the above is occurring.

Well, I think I have said enough, I will just quietly go back to my hole of a thread and wait for some intelligent conversation to hopefully spark.

I see you're new here.  I will simply say, go back and read some posts because I'm not about to fight with every person that comes over from Astral Demonics to prove ya'll are the most depressing and dependent people...Plus, I tried the intellegent road, now I'm just totally frustrated at the lack of taking responsiblity and taking charge in ones life.

Quote from: syncroWell, I think I have said enough, I will just quietly go back to my hole of a thread and wait for some intelligent conversation to hopefully spark.

After all that big talk, you end with this?.....yeah, I get what you mean about both sides not acting very mature.

what hole of a thread???
oh yeah...welcome to the dysfunctional sport that is astral pulse!
(choices therefore...home team, opponents, or spectator)
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Quote from: NayI'm not about to fight with every person that comes over from Astral Demonics to prove ya'll are the most depressing and dependent people...

Now here is where I have to pipe up and say that is totally and utterly uncalled for.  I have been a member of both forum for a while - this one for over a year and Dynamics since it started.

Calling us all depressing and dependant is downright insulting.  I have been a quiet observer, reading and learning about all this stuff that fascinates me and for you to be so rude, especially being a moderator, is immature and stupid.

I have kept out of this thread and kept quiet on all the snide remarks despite the fact that I also find it a wee bit childish but I have been reading and keeping up to date and finally had to put my own two bits in.

Shame on you - you're supposed to be setting an example for forum members, not acting like the most immature of the lot.

don't waste your breath! if you've been spectating as long as you say then you know this little round-the-rosy game of nay and the fellow ankle bitters. it's exactly what they thrive off of! they LOVE it!!!
...but go ahead...you think it'll be satisfying to get it off your chest, but when your opinion gets chewed up and regurgitated back in your face. it just leads to more frustration. you learn to let it roll of your back, because it's exactly that...immature.

anything to dance around any straight forward, intelligent, progressive, open-minded discussion. not all moderators exist to set an example. some have the very special job of baiting members into a frenzy and fueling the fires. takes all kinds.

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Quote from: NayI'm not about to fight with every person that comes over from Astral Demonics to prove ya'll are the most depressing and dependent people...

Now here is where I have to pipe up and say that is totally and utterly uncalled for.  I have been a member of both forum for a while - this one for over a year and Dynamics since it started.

Calling us all depressing and dependant is downright insulting.  I have been a quiet observer, reading and learning about all this stuff that fascinates me and for you to be so rude, especially being a moderator, is immature and stupid.

I have kept out of this thread and kept quiet on all the snide remarks despite the fact that I also find it a wee bit childish but I have been reading and keeping up to date and finally had to put my own two bits in.

Shame on you - you're supposed to be setting an example for forum members, not acting like the most immature of the lot.

:roll:  I missed this post.  I stand by what I say and anyone whom goes and reads at astral dynamics can make up their own mind on what kind depressing and dependent talk is going on over there.  If you find it so insulting, then you just might want to look within and figure out why you got so defensive.... :dont-know:  Just saying.

Quote from: Nay

Quote from: laiana

Quote from: NayI'm not about to fight with every person that comes over from Astral Demonics to prove ya'll are the most depressing and dependent people...

Now here is where I have to pipe up and say that is totally and utterly uncalled for.  I have been a member of both forum for a while - this one for over a year and Dynamics since it started.

Calling us all depressing and dependant is downright insulting.  I have been a quiet observer, reading and learning about all this stuff that fascinates me and for you to be so rude, especially being a moderator, is immature and stupid.

I have kept out of this thread and kept quiet on all the snide remarks despite the fact that I also find it a wee bit childish but I have been reading and keeping up to date and finally had to put my own two bits in.

Shame on you - you're supposed to be setting an example for forum members, not acting like the most immature of the lot.

:roll:  I missed this post.  I stand by what I say and anyone whom goes and reads at astral dynamics can make up their own mind on what kind depressing and dependent talk is going on over there.  If you find it so insulting, then you just might want to look within and figure out why you got so defensive.... :dont-know:  Just saying.

Got a bit bored, so came back. But, to put this bluntly: there a reason you don't take your own advice? What happened to this so called empathy of yours?

Ok, an attempt at some hopefully intelligent discussion...

I've got my own personal views on the idea of attacks, negs, possessions, etc, having spent time on both sides of the fence.

What I see here is something that's become a real religious debate. Absolutes, rights and wrongs, do this don't do that, this person can lead you to salvation, this person will lead you astray.
I think you get the picture.

So, in a hope of maybe putting things back into perspective a bit here, I'll put forward one little idea:

There is no right or wrong!
There is only what works and what doesn't work.

As to what works and what doesn't work, well, I believe you really need to find that out for yourself.

Now, for me, what works is to accept the challenges and learn the lessons they bring. Depression, negs, and... even the "P" word, are a challenge. They bring a lesson.

If you can learn from your attacks, move on into a place of healing, and live a life that has evolved beyond the attacks, then you've learned the lesson. You're free to move on to a better place in your life, and hopefully also give others who are struggling along your old path a bit of gentle guidance that might help them meet their challenge.

But beware of people who "can save you". Like an old buddhist saying, "if you see Buddha walking down the street, run the other way."
The job of a healer or teacher is not to save you, but to help show you how to save yourself.

If you do not learn the lessons, there's a very good chance you will remain in a place where the attacks are an ongoing life event.
This does not mean you are any less a person. It just means that what you are currently doing is not working for you. You are not able to evolve beyond the negative influences.

This could be for any number of reasons. It could be that the individual is living a life that requires the innapropriate seeking of attention - someone that holds to personal dramas, or it could be that an individual is in a lifetime where they're trying to resolve some negative past life karmic event. Whatever the case, there's a lesson to be learned and a challenge to meet.

Being of an open mind can help an individual find what works.
Otherwise approaching the matter with "religious" thinking is likely to leave the individual stuck in something that does not work for them.

Blessings,
James.

Syn, it's ok, I understand you have to try...kinda like a pitbull, once you sink your teeth in, you can't let go.  Plus everyone wants a go at Nay..:lol:

I've explained all of this loooooooong ago.  I've given my reasons why I don't want ya'll on this site scaring all the new people in those said posts.  You have astral demonics to spread your fear and dislike for the light, why not stay there?

Quote from: Nay
:roll:  I missed this post.  I stand by what I say and anyone whom goes and reads at astral dynamics can make up their own mind on what kind depressing and dependent talk is going on over there.  If you find it so insulting, then you just might want to look within and figure out why you got so defensive.... :dont-know:  Just saying.

Don't be so condescending.  Anyone who reads at Astral Dynamics CAN go and make up their mind - which is what I do, it doesn't make ME depressing and dependant just for being a part of that forum.

I learn a helluva lot over there, I learn a helluva lot over here.  YOU have no right to label everyone the same, and if you are so mature and confident in your beliefs and with yourself you would realise that.  Hell, that's something even *I* learned years ago - everyone is different and one does not judge a whole bunch of people as "depressing and dependant" just because they're part of another forum.

Some people may be depressed.  Some people may be dependant.  Hell, some people may even be happy - like me.  I don't need to look very far "within" to know that your comments were shallow, and narrow minded.  And I am quite sure you don't have to look too far "within" to know that too.

That being said, I have not yet decided my own opinion on negs, neg attacks, and negative beings because I have not yet experienced any such things myself on a personal level.

I believe that such things probably do exist, but only due to the way I was brought up (which was a Christian perspective).  I also know that my own mind and hormonal balances (or imbalances) can also effect things.  I do also know that the mind is powerful enough to play all sorts of tricks on people that may appear as reality.

I guess until I experience such things for myself I won't really know, but quite frankly I hope I never have to deal with such extreme circumstances.

BTW Nay, this "PLOM" Party is getting a bit old.

I will be condesending if I wish, thank you.  

And give me a break, do you read what is being talked about?  Right now you can go read new posts and it's obvious that some of these people are classic cases of paranoid Schizophrenia and instead of being helped they are being encouraged to believe they are being attacked by negatives... shame on all involved.

You and a few others might think I'm quite the b1tch, but I see it as protecting the people that we have here and not allowing them to be pulled into a senseless, non productive, self destructive drama, which I see is unfortunately becoming the new fad..

:roll:

PS.  all you have to do is check out the PSD section at AD.. it speaks volumes.

Quote from: NaySyn, it's ok, I understand you have to try...kinda like a pitbull, once you sink your teeth in, you can't let go.  Plus everyone wants a go at Nay..:lol:

I've explained all of this loooooooong ago.  I've given my reasons why I don't want ya'll on this site scaring all the new people in those said posts.  You have astral demonics to spread your fear and dislike for the light, why not stay there?

The same could be said of you my friend. So, when are you going to quite running and start facing the questions being thrown at you? I really don't care when and how you gave your reasons, and if this is the case, you can at least do a copy and paste deal, otherwise you don't have an argument, and thus I am forced to keep my opinion, rather than having something to chew on, which might even change my mind.

Let's re-hash.

1) Why aren't you taking your own advice?
2) What happened to this so called empathy of yours?

James: I appreciate what your trying to do, but the above person here seems to be the problem, not the members around her. Evidence of this is the repeated fact this keeps coming up, further evidence is the fact she refuses to face down the problem, and instead chooses to circle the questions given and run away from the reality being set at her, and even further evidence is the lack of intelligence in her responses. Moderator or not, you have to admit this is pretty childish. What happened to the so called spirituality of this place?

Let me give you a clear cut example for you to work with, read her response to this IF she gives one:

QuoteAnd give me a break, do you read what is being talked about? Right now you can go read new posts and it's obvious that some of these people are classic cases of paranoid Schizophrania and instead of being helped they are being encouraged to believe they are being attacked by negatives... shame on all involved.

Prove it, because you know what? The other side already has provided sufficient evidence. I have read a good deal of your posts.

Nays Evidence: ----------------

Also, you would do well to quite assuming we are all from AD, this is not the case for all of us. You know what they say about assumptions, they make asses.

Another thing, we can either beat the living hell out of each other with words. (In which case I am sure to win, as evidence from previous posts show that you can't argue worth anything, and of course as evidence will show I will be banned, despite the fact that you are the one instigating these arguments and causing all the ruckus) or we can debate this topic politely like adults. Your call, which do you want? If the past is any indication, you will choose bickering and fighting, just like a 3 year old.

Speaking of 3 year olds, one can either learn to grow up, or face the consequences.....them being everyone trying to show you for the 3 year old your acting like in a public forum. We are responsible for our own outlook most of the time, and this is no exception.

Round and Round the Flaming bush we go, till the bush gets burned and the people running around it with it, but don't expect to see me when the bush comes down and spreads it's flames, I'll be long gone. I know a pointless cause when I see one.

Back to James:

QuoteIf you can learn from your attacks, move on into a place of healing, and live a life that has evolved beyond the attacks, then you've learned the lesson. You're free to move on to a better place in your life, and hopefully also give others who are struggling along your old path a bit of gentle guidance that might help them meet their challenge.

A bit too generalized for me, I tend to find that one must get rid of the problem first before they learn to move on, and from what I am seeing of these cases they are having difficulty doing that. Can't learn a lesson till the lesson is over, and for the people here their lesson is NOT over, it is still going, so how does the above work I ask you?

QuoteBut beware of people who "can save you". Like an old buddhist saying, "if you see Buddha walking down the street, run the other way."
The job of a healer or teacher is not to save you, but to help show you how to save yourself.

While I do find there are a few exceptions to this rule (Can you help yourself when your arms and legs are broken?) This is generally true, but keeping in mind that "If one faces all their problems alone, one will find that when they fall it's harder to pick themselves back up." A healer is a companion, not a Savior. Might be worth to make sure that what you think you are seeing of said healers isn't necessarily what's going on in reality.

QuoteIf you do not learn the lessons, there's a very good chance you will remain in a place where the attacks are an ongoing life event.
This does not mean you are any less a person. It just means that what you are currently doing is not working for you. You are not able to evolve beyond the negative influences.

Let's say, like many claim, that a neg has hold of my mental faculties, how am I supposed to learn anything? If something is in my head controlling my information, as I have heard claim these things can do, can't it undo any lessons learned? Can it not, also, keep me from reaching my goals? Is this not a time of crisis where I should seek someone to help me? (note the word "help," not "save.") If indeed said beings are true, I would find the above quite contrary to what you are saying.

Religious thinking huh? hmm, show me how this is religious. And bear in mind, just because I am debating doesn't mean I am of a closed mindset, debate is meant to open new paths of knowledge, and to create understanding, close rifts, ect ;)


This is an entirely too big post, I had not meant to spend this much time and effort here, so long for now.

Yakity, yak, yak, yak..  What are ya jealous that it doesn't take me writing a small novel to get to my points?  And no, I'm not going to paste and copy..you go look them up. :grin:

And please, don't call me your friend..that is called being a smart butt and hypocrite.. I mean really, can't you be honest with your hatred instead of being passive aggressive...shheesh.  

And why in the hell are you so upset?  Have I said that I'm speaking about you or perhaps it rings a bit too true for you, thus causing this influx of angry emotions....  I think you spit on your computer screen and that vein is about to pop on your temple.

If I'm such a bother to this site, why aren't ya'll picketing for my getting the axe?  I'll be more than happy to leave if this is what the masses want.  And believe me, this place used to have a lot more positive outlook before a crowd of neg lovers showed up!!

Now, say it, don't spray it!  <---- That was my 3yr old coming out of me.  :lol:

I will admit because I'm NOT a hypocrite, that I'm taking a bit of pleasure out of watching you have a hissy fit.. *snicker*  Let's see if you can come up with more clever ways to personally attack me.

Quote from: NayYakity, yak, yak, yak..  What are ya jealous that it doesn't take me writing a small novel to get to my points?  And no, I'm not going to paste and copy..you go look them up. :grin:

And please, don't call me your friend..that is called being a smart butt and hypocrite.. I mean really, can't you be honest with your hatred instead of being passive aggressive...shheesh.  

And why in the hell are you so upset?  Have I said that I'm speaking about you or perhaps it rings a bit too true for you, thus causing this influx of angry emotions....  I think you spit on your computer screen and that vein is about to pop on your temple.

If I'm such a bother to this site, why aren't ya'll picketing for my getting the axe?  I'll be more than happy to leave if this is what the masses want.  And believe me, this place used to have a lot more positive outlook before a crowd of neg lovers showed up!!

Now, say it, don't spray it!  <---- That was my 3yr old coming out of me.  :lol:

I will admit because I'm NOT a hypocrite, that I'm taking a bit of pleasure out of watching you have a hissy fit.. *snicker*  Let's see if you can come up with more clever ways to personally attack me.

My my, aren't we being defensive?

Nay, I hate nobody. This is the honest to god truth. Your assumptions are making you look like a hypocritical fool.

What I hate is this: peoples actions. Your actions speak volumes.

QuoteAnd why in the hell are you so upset?  Have I said that I'm speaking about you or perhaps it rings a bit too true for you, thus causing this influx of angry emotions....  I think you spit on your computer screen and that vein is about to pop on your temple.

Ahh, who is upset now hmm?

QuoteIf I'm such a bother to this site, why aren't ya'll picketing for my getting the axe?  I'll be more than happy to leave if this is what the masses want.  And believe me, this place used to have a lot more positive outlook before a crowd of neg lovers showed up!!

Based on what I am seeing of original posts, this crowd STARTED with the so called "neg lovers," what seems to have changed is the faculty. You guys are the ones who kicked the owner of the site out kicking and screaming, I mean, who the hell kicks someone out of their own home huh?

Quoteyou go look them up.

As it so happens I have, nothing much there sorry. I have yet to see anything from you that isn't conniving, Random, and downright dogmatic bovine excrement.

QuoteIf I'm such a bother to this site, why aren't ya'll picketing for my getting the axe? I'll be more than happy to leave if this is what the masses want. And believe me, this place used to have a lot more positive outlook before a crowd of neg lovers showed up!!

Having looked at previous posts, this occurred. You didn't leave.

And most of those posts someone pointed out on wayback machine, hmm, says volumes about how secure you feel.

Quotewill admit because I'm NOT a hypocrite, that I'm taking a bit of pleasure out of watching you have a hissy fit.. *snicker* Let's see if you can come up with more clever ways to personally attack me.

Ahh contraire, you sure are putting up quite the defensive attitude, and you sure are ignoring blatant facts a lot.

BTW: if the tables were turned, and this discussion would have been about the NON existence of negs, guess what I would do?

I'm trying to bring some opposition up so that people have a chance to see the other side of the story, which you don't want to let happen, hmm.

Your protecting nobody here lady, everyone has something called a mind, let them use it, or is it your opinion that everyone is an idiot and can't call shots like they see it? "oooh, the masses are being influenced," HA. The one who is influenced here is you.

Also, just to show you how your coming across, I shall now dub this site astralflaming, or should I say naybashingeveryone.com, or perhaps unintelligentastralconversation.com, or maybe astraldogmatism.com would be more of an appropriate term?

Seriously here, you can forget the above as long as you tune in to this: what use is this conversation if we can't listen to the opposition, let them have a say?

At what you so lovingly call "astral demonics," I have in fact looked at the PSD forum. I saw intelligence there. I am sorry, but I am not seeing that here so far. I am waiting and hoping for someone to prove me wrong, after all we had a very nice and intriguing discussion going a few threads below, no flaming, no wars, no bashing (well, a little bit from one individual.) and everyone simply put their evidence down on the table.

There are a few individuals here who are arguing, bickering, bashing to safeguard their beliefs. This is called an US vrs THEM Argument and/or paradigm.

The result is blatantly obvious, nothing but bickering, arguing, destruction. It has been proven through this thread. Time and time again I see this here, time and time again it only leads to hurt feelings, anger, frustration.

This is the true difference between the AP now,

and the AP you loved before, Nay. The difference is not the people, it's this mental trap that has been set up. It causes Dogma, dissuasion, instability, and further negativity. The cycle can go on and on so it never ends.

I don't care how to the point you are, how long winded you are, if you believe in negs, if you don't, if you are ascended, a master, a student, a lowly one, whatever. To each his own, everyone has a right to their own beliefs, you however don't seem to think this way.

I will ask you again:

1) why aren't you taking your own advice
2) what happened to your empathy?

And do take note, Nay, I have never been angry, I have never been a hypocrite, I have responded to your words in kind. Can you say the same thing?

No

From this point, I will use intelligence and trying to break this US VRS THEM paradigm like a twig and see what happens from there.

Don't mind me, I'm just hanging out in the peanut gallery.  :popcorn2:

:locolaugh:  Another "Psychic" that isn't Psychic..  OMG, that is too funny!

Kidding aside, is that what you feel from my posts?  You get a feeling of me being defensive and angry??  You are kidding, right?  If you could only see me, I swear I've had a smile on my lips the whole time.  :heh:

Take my own advice about what?  I don't live in fear, I don't hand over my free will to some guru, I don't jump and scream NEG! everytime something goes bump in the night.  So, I think I am taking my own advice

What happened to my empathy?  It's still there, you just aren't feeling it.  :lol:

This is fun..  :catfight:

Quote from: Heather B.Don't mind me, I'm just hanging out in the peanut gallery.  :popcorn2:

LOL!  Join in, feel free!  :grin:

Quote from: Heather B.Don't mind me, I'm just hanging out in the peanut gallery.  :popcorn2:

Me too, my popcorn box just got bigger...

:popcorn:

Sarah

I just think it's so Dark Ages to attribute all of life's problems to demons.

I've been through some seriously deep, dark, terrifying personal Hells in my life--physiological problems, mental problems, emotional problems, social problems, spiritual problems, you name it.  I knew people who blamed it on demons or on other people or things, and I could have done the same--but I intuitively knew it was wrong.  I knew I had to own my problems and all the negativity surrounding them (because, sorry to say, humanity is not all love and light--and we don't need demons to prove that).  I got as much help and support as I could from modern professionals (doctors, counselors, priests, psychics, teachers/professors, etc.)--they could only get me so far, but I also came to learn that I had the ability to carry myself the rest of the way.  

Alot of the time, it involved leaning into the pain, getting through it rather than around it.  And sometimes, it involved being patient and gentle with myself.  And sometimes, sheer will got me through it.  Actually, there have been times when I've felt like nothing less than the hand of God Himself has gotten me through even the most routine of days.  But I've kept on getting through them, and I always will.

And by the way, it's not because I'm special or different in any way.  My story is in no way unique.  I find that people who claim to be possessed or otherwise victimized by negs, demons, etc. are the "unique" ones.   :roll:

Did all this go on while I was on sabbatical? Sometimes feels like I (as well) come looking for some intelligent exchange, and it winds up here...in the rut.

I'm trying to stand back and think of how it all goes...like reading the same book a hundred times over, and it's not even a good book. Let's see...it's usually some unsuspecting noob to AP that finally breaks out of the silence and eeks out some trouble they may be having in their life: fear based and usually more than a bit confused. Some other noobs (those with no first hand experience, but a lot of passion or interest) will pipe up, passing round links, ideologies, and half-baked conclusion...then 'the pack' picks up on the scent of it all, circles round...and moves in for the kill. Unfortunately it's messy. I personally wouldn't have too much of a problem with a quick, intelligent, straight-to-throat kill (although those that somewhat know me...know I have little problem stepping in to protect the under-dogs when attacked).

No...what bothers me is it's definitely a game...playing with the prey till it's lifeless and no fun to play with anymore, or at least has the common sense to escape (so long stupid noob...off to astral demonics with you!)

Nay ~ to say your acting out of concern, or coming from a light place based in reality...well...come on...even if "we" tried to meet you half way on that...it still wouldn't be worth swallowing. For the most part I think your comments are made out of boredom...and with the protection that being a moderator grants you...you take it a step too far, but always round and round to the ha, ha ha's in the end...like it was all just a big ol' joke to begin with. You're an instigator...nothing more, and like I said...it takes all kinds.

I have been at the receiving end of your love & light too many times to count, and I'm none the better for it. Schizophrenic for the two of us has become a sorted joke, but it's not really funny is it?!?
Whatever the symptoms might be...I personally believe that everything can be cured through holistic means. Whether or not anyone involved in these groups are Schizoaffective is not the point. The point is that they're looking into alternative explanations and solutions to their problems, and that's one step ahead of the masses of numbed out Sheeple who always look for the quick fix. This has always been my problem...where I have absolutely no objection to healthy, spiritual, common sense being urged (meditation, whole food diets, yoga, balancing, etc)...I have yet to ever see you suggest any of these protocols to the so called "afflicted".

Feel free to "cut & paste" as I'd very much like to be proved wrong on this count.

A common prescription drug for Schizophrenia is Clozapin sold under the name "Clozaril" (approved by the FDA 1997). Side effects included dry mouth, constipation, blurred vision, and drowsiness, sexual dysfunction or decreased sexual desire, menstrual changes, and significant weight gain. Also restlessness, stiffness, tremors, muscle spasms, and one of the most unpleasant and serious side effects, a condition called Tardive Dyskinesia; a movement disorder of uncontrolled facial movements and sometimes jerking or twisting movements of other body parts, effecting 15 to 20 percent of patients, and usually continuing even after the medication is stopped. People taking clozapine must have their blood monitored every one or two weeks due to a common and serious drop in white blood cells.
Also a rare, but very serious, side effect Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome Signs to watch for are muscle stiffness that occurs over one to three days, a high fever, and confusion that can lead to death if not treated.

On top of this several lawsuits are in progress against Clozaril for more than 140 patients that developed new-onset diabetes. Three dozen cases involved ketoacidosis, a potentially deadly complication of elevated blood sugar (11 reports of runaway blood sugar in patient's ages 13 to 18).
Of the patient's taking Zyprexa (another common drug), seven had new diagnosis of hyperglycemia. The sugar disorder developed within a week of taking Zyprexa in two patients and within six months for eight others. One patient ultimately died of necrotizing pancreatitis, a condition in which cells in the pancreas die.
Additionally, Clozaril was linked to dozens of cases of heart complications, including at least 28 deaths since the late 1980s. Novartis, which makes a brand-name version of the pill, has contested those figures. Even so, many mental health experts consider the compound a "miracle drug" for patients with otherwise untreatable psychosis...

...so much for all the experts here and elsewhere.

So to all the Naysayers against the darker side of spiritual exploration and growth, and Heather B. (the former Mrs.) as well...thank GOD we live in different camps. At "our" little pow wows we sit and talk about how "dark ages" it is to just follow along with your head up your *ackhm*, slapping little smiley stickers all over the uncomfortable stuff, but in the end we are what y'all see in the mirror, and on the other-side y'all are we get back.
Irony!!! Just can't ever seem to meet in the middle and figure anything out. Oh well.

Soul
Saying & Spraying & making a small novel out of it all
:grin:

Geez ya'll like to hear yourselves talk.. and it's all about what a terrible person I am.  So busy pointing out my faults you can't even stop for one second and realize that ya'll are describing yourselves.

I wasn't joking about the Schizophrenia and you know so much about it, why doesn't that surprise me...

I did want to comment on a couple things Syncro said,

Quote from: syncroBased on what I am seeing of original posts, this crowd STARTED with the so called "neg lovers," what seems to have changed is the faculty. You guys are the ones who kicked the owner of the site out kicking and screaming, I mean, who the hell kicks someone out of their own home huh?

Robert never was the owner of this site, Adrian is and always was, please get your facts straight before making such a bold statement.

Quote from: syncroHaving looked at previous posts, this occurred. You didn't leave.

Now I'm the one who is going to ask, link me please?

Quote from: syncroAt what you so lovingly call "astral demonics," I have in fact looked at the PSD forum. I saw intelligence there. I am sorry, but I am not seeing that here so far.

LOL!  Ok, allow me to give a few excerpts from the intelligent site....

Quote"One of the most bizarre episodes of the download was when I found myself sitting on my bed in my house speaking (if you can call be slack jawed and virtually mindless muttering a few words in incoherent, incomplete sentences speaking) to a very paranoid, short, fast talking (no periods in sentences, just endless jabber) thing. Couldn't see it physically, but could sense where it was, it's height and movement and could hear it speaking out loud in the most irritatingly bad high pitched voice I have ever heard. It would stand next to my bed and proceed to tell me one outrageous lie after another (what do I call an outrageous lie?"

download?? HUH???

Quote"I kept this to myself because I didn't want to frighten people...they have been shoving a ton of crap in my throat recently in an atempt to cut off the energy to my head...which would kill me.

Yep, that sounds like a person that has all their faculties about them....

QuoteI've been very uncomfortable, have not been sure if I would live long, still am not sure. They are also attacking my chest and reproductive organs heavily. But ---- has been checking me out and he says energy is still getting through and some of the devices are not functioning correctly. That is why I am still alive.

What the heck is he fixing, a radio?

QuoteI am always uncomfortable, always unsure of my health, and don't know if I will live long. But I am living longer than these things want."

Yeah, that's why they are living longer.. :roll:

Quotehey and I thought I had the strongest negs on this forum. I guess time progessively makes the attacks much violent.

Competing for "I'm king of neg possession"...isn't that a tad strange?

QuoteWhat I've been threw is brain manipulation, possibly choked by the throat in trance, burned by bubbles of non physical neg energy and telepathic high frequancy attacks. Even possibly bladder control. This is one of the most dangerous attacks. I could die from food posioning."

I have nooooo idea what he's talking about, but hey..it's neg related I'm sure

Quote"I felt them moving through my body in more then one location, at the same time. They mostly just sit sit in one place, and when they do, they are undetectable. But when they start moving, I can clearly sense that, because some of these negs that have invaded my bodyare half-corporeal. Once I half-choked on one that had slithered right from the base of my brain, down my throught, into the stomach, and then came right back (or it was another one), and you could feel the complete motion from top to bottom, even had the retching reflex, so it was no hallucination - these things have actually made themselves a home of my body.
I'm not talking about simple "voices in my head" (although they have talked to me like that a dozen times or so), just this morning another one, a large one floated down on my head, I felt it moving / rearanging itself upon my head, floating in front of my face like a slight breeze. Then it slowly penetrated my left eye with something (or maybe that was itself, you could feel that thing moving through the eyeball (sticking it deeper and deeper, but with no pain), the eye even made a wet "schlk" sound, so that means real, physical preassure was applied.
There was this one time in my posession (it lasted about a week) that they were doing something to my brain. Every evening when I went to bed the neg in my head would start "operating" my brain, pinching and squeezing the various parts then moving to another part and sticking something like a needle deep within, I'm not talking about "my impressions" about what it was doing, I'm talking about live action here, you could clearly feel complete movements of it from point A to point B and in between. And it hurt unbelievably... I'm sure that various "mygrene" symptoms were "made up" originaly by doctors who in actuality were treating neg attack victims who didn't even know they were infested with negs - so they simply classified it a "severe type of headache which is caracterized by blah blah"..."

Hmmmmmm...blantant lie, or needs medication.  

Quote"I won't elaborate too much on what I believe is happening to me other than there appear to be negs, ETs, and human helpers/slaves, so to speak. "

Nuff said...

Quote"I think I was possessed last night. Same symptoms. I had hardly any control over my body. I knew that I was being used. It was soo hard to gain control. Spectating. I had too put allot of will to move my body. Still I was in the same state. It was nothing like trance parlaysis. Tonight Im not going to sleep"

I hate when that happens!

Quote"I've been abused too much. This morning I woke up in trance and the entity was sucking on my brain. A very unpleasent feeling. It's possible that It has done brain damage. I had a headache today all day long."

But not as much as I hate it when THIS happens..

Quote"Wrap the attacked area up with tin foil and feel the effects
Easy to use and apply... Reply with results here..."

I want a picture of that!

Quote
"Well actually, I have heard two other recommendations...tin foil hats or tin foil anything are passe:

1) Velostat hats which can be found here: http://www.stopabductions.com/

2) Take steel wool kitchen scours and shove them into a cap and wear that...I had one person tell me it did indeed "

LOL. and someone actually makes these things?

Quote
"Finally, in 2003, somebody (positive greys and other higher help) got "tired of watching you suffer" (as the phrase was said to me repeatedly). I underwent what some in the UFO community refer to as a Data Download, a massive, uninterrupted, powerful channeling of information. Again, very long complicated story, I am only going to relate several key aspects that have me a tad concerned. Please understand that in fighting for my life for 5 years and thinking like I was going to die, I wasn't really paying attention to current events, so treat me like someone who just got rescued from Gilligan's Island and has absolutely no clue what is happening today.

Oooooh, THAT is what a download is..

Just read this one..lol.  paranoia runs amuck..
http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.hp?t=1883&start=0

It goes on and on...  You really think that is intellegent?  I think it's sad and it gives me stomach ache...oh, wait...that's a Neg trying to possess me  :blackeye:

Tsk Tsk Nay. So, If something sounds weird and strange, that automatically makes it wrong? Very well then, Astral Projection sounded weird and strange to me when I was younger, it must not exist then, right? The idea of US VS THEM sounds strange to me, so that must not exist too, hm?

Blatant lies, fixing radio huh? Tell me, are you only looking for what you want to see, or are you taking in the bigger picture? Is it really wrong for people to try and find an answer to the problems they have? Is the (actually very NOT scientifically proven....and you can look this up and find I am right...) schizophrenia, etc suggestions of scientists really all it's cut out to be, or are they doing the same thing as the "neg people," trying to find something to explain the phenomena around them?

I can't say I blame people for circling the "schizo" word, have you ever been inside a mental hospital (WHICH, BTW, According to textbook definition, anyone who astral projects, sees spirits, is empathic, is thus a lunatic and should be put in the asylum, so in truth I could make the same argument about you, and everyone else on this forum, that you are making against the "neg people."

I'm going to be bold here now: I SPEAK FOR US ALL WHEN I SAY: (wow, considering that there are a lot and that I don't even know the actual opinions of everyone...) We don't wont you kicked out, banned, bashed, burned, etc. We want you... to understand...

That is all, just understand. No US VS THEM, simple understanding.

Heather:

QuoteI just think it's so Dark Ages to attribute all of life's problems to demons.

Well, at least you blatantly say this is an opinion, so no comment here. The main thing I wanted to say is: Demons can be in the mind, mostly. Interpretation, we have. You interpret one way, I interpret another. Schizo, Negs, the truth of the matter is this.........they are the same damn thing. One views it differently than the other, but that doesn't make it any less true.

"Luminous being, we are, not this filthy matter." (Even if your not a star wars fan, ya gotta love Yoda LOL.) But, truth of the matter is there cannot be anything "luminous," without some darkness to help shape, create, define what is "luminous."

Hi Syncro,

I see what you're saying (in your second last post), and I understand.
When we first come under the influence of something negative and life altering, be it negs, or depression, whatever, yes we do need help. I agree. It's to always be hoped that there is someone or something that can help "save" us. Then the rest is up to us. Maybe I wasn't coming at the idea properly.

I'll use myself as an example for where I'm coming from.
I suffered deep depression a while back. Went through the whole suicidal phase and all that. My saving grace was my GP who prescribed anti-depressants. They were what helped stop me from drowning in my own despair. But from that point, I had a choice. I could either relinquish responsibility and hope that medications and therapists could keep me propped up, or I could take responsibility for my own life and take back control. Basically, I needed someone, or something to help me back up when I'd fallen, but it was up to me to stay on my feet from that point.

This is where I see some people are at with their seemingly constant struggles against negs or demons or possessions.  I don't doubt there are some horrible things out there. I've suffered some of it myself. But what I do believe is that our soul knew exactly what it was doing when choosing the situations that would be brought to us in this lifetime, and we have not ever been given more than we can handle. It's just up to us to choose if we're going to handle it or not.
We're not meant to stay in the darkness and constantly suffer. Such a place is foreign to our souls. It is only through choice that some people remain there

As to learning those lessons and moving on, I don't believe it to be a matter of facing a challenge, learning a lesson and moving on as we would do if sitting a test. I see it as more a series of small steps, each step bringing you closer to being free of the problem, but each step usually has challenges of its own. It's not winning a race, its evolving to a higher state.

I was speaking to a very close friend of mine who's going through a very traumatic period in her life. She feels like she's made no progress, that she's just travelling in circles. I showed her that she's actually travelling in an upward spiral. She has overcome so much. Even though much of the pain is still there as it was in the beginning, she's now operating on a completely different level, and though she still has several steps to go, she is so much closer to once and for all overcoming her challenge.

I do stick to what I say that a lot of these situations are approach with "religious" thinking. I say that because I see it not so much by way of a specific religion, but more from a dogmatic "right and wrong" type mindset.
Does that shed any more light or have I just confused the concept more?

Soul,
Sheeple!
I love that term!!
A friend of mine uses it too. It's so descriptive isn't it?

Ok, I'll stop waffling now.
:)

Blessings,
James.

Synchro:  You're right that we have different interpretations of the same thing, and that darkness is a necessary ingredient.  

The difference is between externalizing and internalizing the source of that darkness--when someone says it comes from a demon possessing them, they put the source of their problems in an external force.  I just don't understand that way of thinking, and I can't help but consider it extremely unhealthy because I've seen what happens to people who think that way--their problems and their pain consume them and never get resolved.  Because they regard it as some kind of force beyond them, they feel powerless--and thus they become powerless.  

Incidentally, people do the same thing with God, whether with good or bad things--the good things are blessings or miracles, the bad things are just part of some ineffable plan we're not meant to understand.  Let me say that I do believe in God and do believe that He has a hand in some things.  But people let it get out of hand, attributing every little thing to God, belittling the consequences of human will, human action, and human nature.  Usually it's about these people rejecting every bit of responsbility and control they have over themselves and their lives in favor of their religion--it's not really about God at all.  I find it just as confounding and just as unhealthy as when people attribute things to demons.

Dear James,
Mostly bcuz I haven't exchanged words with you in so long...wanted to reply to your post, but it was straight forward and fairly neutral (had other tasks at hand)...Sheeple! Yes...love it when I can sum it all up in one simple word as that's a rarity. I too have little use for right & wrong, also the idea of 'teacher'...but that's another matter. Even when I taught children's art classes I used the word "creative coach" (still seeking a more appropriate word if you come across any).
Nice to see you're still around and coming from stable ground. :wink:

Dear Nay,
Don't get serious on me now! It isn't you in particular I have problems with...it's the group mentality you represent...one thick black line that 'separates' it all into fact and fiction. Like the ones up in arms over "A Million Little Pieces"...ridiculous waste of energy if not a ploy at distraction. There is no fact...only theory. As you, theorizing that I'm Schizo again and again. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard for me to find an professional 'expert' that would conquer with you. As you stand your ground on the conventional side of things...and fight against the absurdity of the dark unknown...we actually aren't that different. In a sense we complete each other. Unfortunately you don't seem to appreciate that anyone else has it together. That we're all a bunch of crackpots competing with one another for attention. Basically it saddens me...and eventually angers me.
Not you...merely the "rigid" mind.  

In general,
We all suffer the same. We all have our moments of joy, paranoia, pride, guilt, resentment, elation, and so on. We are all human nothing 'more', nothing 'less'. Turning against a brother or sister (esp. in their moments of weakness) in order to gain some invisible upper hand...is a dis-ease and imbalance...no different from those that hold themselves in some martyrish situation for attention and pity...and where I have myself been guilty of both, and have also called others on the same behavior...my apologies aren't near as great as the lessons I have learned from pointing the finger.

All my attacks & craziness aside...I was born with a strong need to fight the status quo of it all, for better or worse. The energy beyond this function has been questioned on occasion, and the answer is always simple. There is no need to close ourselves off to anything. What would the world be like without the fringe dwellers or the darkness. No fairytales, no Alice in Wonderland, no Poe, no Van Gogh, no Einstein, no Da Vinci, no Janice Joplin or Mozart, no blues, no art, no poetry, no pushing the envelope...no complete exposure of ones soul for the souls sake. I would trade the fluffy-bunny surface skimming any day for the complete and total picture...the good, the bad, and the ugly...but that's me.

I was looking for some nifty quote to push my point, and came across the following by Theodore Roosevelt...

"Criticism is necessary and useful; it is often indispensable; but it can never take the place of action, or be even a poor substitute for it. The function of the mere critic is of very subordinate usefulness. It is the doer of deeds who actually counts in the battle for life, and not the man who looks on and says how the fight ought to be fought, without himself sharing the stress and the danger."

I can't say who is suffering or not, nor whether they have the right, nor whether their right is justified. It is not my place to diaognois or deny. I can't even conclude on whether we as humans are doing the best we can, or just bidding our time?!? It would be nice to have a forum in which we could all put ourselves forth 'completely', but leave it to me to always ask too much!
:wink:

So...back to my painting.
Love Soul

Quote from: Heather B.Synchro:  You're right that we have different interpretations of the same thing, and that darkness is a necessary ingredient.  

The difference is between externalizing and internalizing the source of that darkness--when someone says it comes from a demon possessing them, they put the source of their problems in an external force.  I just don't understand that way of thinking, and I can't help but consider it extremely unhealthy because I've seen what happens to people who think that way--their problems and their pain consume them and never get resolved.  Because they regard it as some kind of force beyond them, they feel powerless--and thus they become powerless.  

Incidentally, people do the same thing with God, whether with good or bad things--the good things are blessings or miracles, the bad things are just part of some ineffable plan we're not meant to understand.  Let me say that I do believe in God and do believe that He has a hand in some things.  But people let it get out of hand, attributing every little thing to God, belittling the consequences of human will, human action, and human nature.  Usually it's about these people rejecting every bit of responsbility and control they have over themselves and their lives in favor of their religion--it's not really about God at all.  I find it just as confounding and just as unhealthy as when people attribute things to demons.

Even here, it's no different. You are either possessed of schizophrenia, or you are possesed by a demon, both are mucking up the internal clockwork of your mind, right? And like it or not, schizophrenia is dealt with like a contagious disease in this day and age, ever been to a mental hospital? that's a good example.

James: I am not big on the "our souls choose what occurs in our lifetimes," if this was the case there would be no need for lifetimes at all, but I do highly agree with the part about taking your first steps after being helped off the ground. In my experience this is highly important in healing.

I'm stunned.  I thought ya wanted me to be serious?

Quote from: souljahWe all suffer the same. We all have our moments of joy, paranoia, pride, guilt, resentment, elation, and so on.

Exactly!  Then why is there a onslaught of neg and demon possession lately?  There isn't.   IN MY OPINION, these possessions are either their own fears created, which in turn can grow in level of fear depending on how much life they give it, or it's normal effects of spontaneous projection.  Why is it sooo bad when I tell someone those very things?  

Let me run this by ya.  You have a person who probably had a traumatic childhood and continues into adulthood still feeling the victim but and has a tough time learning from it   They are depressed all the time, nothing goes right, the world hates them..etc.  From my experience, this is where it starts snowballing on ya if you don't stop wanting to be the victim and take control of why you feel like you feel.  BUT..if you honestly take a stand and still can't shake the blues, then like James, you might need medication...there is nothing shameful in taking medications to aid in your getting healthy and positive again.

So...this is where negs, shadow people, dwellers, and demons come in.   I like James believe that we have pretty much agreed on what lessons are meant to learn.  And that in itself is every reason to have many lifetimes.  You can read a million books on how to fly a plane, but until you fly one you have no idea what it's like.  Thus..reincarnation. :grin:

Anyways..   IMO, people who can't seem to get past the victim scenerio are scared that the minute they admit they create their own demons, will be totally lost.. their whole reason (in their minds) for living is to LIVE for these negative aspects and for me to ask them to face loosing their identity is just to horrifying for them.  I have no doubt they see and feel these negatives, but they don't have to.  And I'm sorry but IMO, when people start talking about being downloaded and brain sucked..that's someone who needs to seek medical help.

Nay

Quote from: Nay
Anyways..   IMO, people who can't seem to get past the victim scenerio are scared that the minute they admit they create their own demons, will be totally lost.. their whole reason (in their minds) for living is to LIVE for these negative aspects and for me to ask them to face loosing their identity is just to horrifying for them.  I have no doubt they see and feel these negatives, but they don't have to.
Nay

I'd like to put my two cents in here to say that I also agree with this.

While I agree with Syncro in that when we first fall, having someone to help us is a great blessing, as too can someone who helps us take our next few steps, I also agree with Nay and Heather that responsibility is then up to us, and that we should not seek to constantly lay blame for our situations on external forces, be those forces corporeal or non corporeal. To me, that's not going to help us learn and evolve.

Don't get me wrong though in that I don't think it is a black and white situation.
There are definitely those that do require some form of on-going assistance, just like a student who may require remedial tutoring to help get up to speed in a particular subject. However, if that student chooses to not put in any of their own effort, and just draw on the energy of the tutor, they're not learning the lesson and they won't make any progress. I see many people out there who crave attention. It's probably something they've learned through childhood conditioning. But that unhealthy dependancy they place on others is preventing them from taking control of their own stuff.

This I believe is why some seem to find offence at the suggestion that maybe they're not suffering attacks or possessions. They're not yet at a place where they're willing to look inwards for the answers.

Soul,

QuoteNice to see you're still around and coming from stable ground.

Thank you.  :smile:
I appreciate that comment, especially since I'm a Saggitarius, and in Chinese I'm a fire horse.  :wink:
You should also let us know when you've got some more of your artwork on the web. I'd love to see some more of that wonderful talent of yours.

Blessings,
James.

Quote from: Nay
Anyways..   IMO, people who can't seem to get past the victim scenerio are scared that the minute they admit they create their own demons, will be totally lost.. their whole reason (in their minds) for living is to LIVE for these negative aspects and for me to ask them to face loosing their identity is just to horrifying for them.

That I absolutely agree with.  But this doesn't just happen on these forums regarding psychic attack, it happens all over in life.  I know its happened with me, on a much, much smaller scale - but still the same sort of thing.  Except I was at a point where I could totally see that I was wallowing in my own pity, and just didn't want to change.  Probably not for the reasons above (IE I'd lose that part of my idenity) but on a smaller scale - but even from just that minor experience I can see how this can occur in people.

I don't however believe that ALL people create their own demons.  The majority, perhaps.   I also don't think that everyone should be treated in the same manner or way, and nor to psychiatrists etc since they treat their patients on an individual  basis.  

Its the way you say something.  You have to be able to get through to people in their own way, some people are able to handle being told straight up - Wake up and look around you, others need a more gentle hand.  What works with one might push another away.

Just because in your mind you feel that everyone is creating their own demons and they've all gotta let go, or whatever, shouldn't stop you from being at least a little compassionate.  You may be seeing these things over and over again, and saying the same things over and over again, and tire from it all.... but to the new(ish) person who perhaps doesn't have a firm grasp on what they're going through, an attitude like that is only going to make things worse.

I hope what I've written makes some sort of sense, some days I have a hard time getting out what I'm thinking ;)

Quote from: Nay
Anyways..   IMO, people who can't seem to get past the victim scenerio are scared that the minute they admit they create their own demons, will be totally lost.. their whole reason (in their minds) for living is to LIVE for these negative aspects and for me to ask them to face loosing their identity is just to horrifying for them.  I have no doubt they see and feel these negatives, but they don't have to.  And I'm sorry but IMO, when people start talking about being downloaded and brain sucked..that's someone who needs to seek medical help.

Nay

Ahh, too true. The problem I am seeing however is that assumptions are being made. I am seeing too many assumptions that said people are not looking inward. Just because one is blaming things on external problems, does not mean they are also looking inward. IMHO, if you wish to judge people, at the VERY least take a look at their situation with a microscope, and look at both possibilities, not just one. It is also important, IMNSHO, to allow these individuals the ability of free will. What I am seeing on both sides is that "I AM RIGHT, AND YOU HAVE TO DO THIS MY WAY." This irritates me to no end, again this is an US VS THEM scenario. (Can you tell I hate that yet? LOL)

QuoteDon't get me wrong though in that I don't think it is a black and white situation.
There are definitely those that do require some form of on-going assistance, just like a student who may require remedial tutoring to help get up to speed in a particular subject. However, if that student chooses to not put in any of their own effort, and just draw on the energy of the tutor, they're not learning the lesson and they won't make any progress. I see many people out there who crave attention. It's probably something they've learned through childhood conditioning. But that unhealthy dependency they place on others is preventing them from taking control of their own stuff.

Good point, to add to this I would say that one can see, when help is given, if the individual is willing to take that inward or outward step if you offer enough advice and if they choose to take it or not. Often I have seen that these individuals (with some exception,) do in fact take the advice given to them, and this seems to suggest to me that they are willing to try to help themselves. I have often heard the advice "read Roberts Book," "do the soul mirror exercise," and later on seen the individual take the advice to heart. In some cases, I have seen the individual pick and choose which advice they take, which is fine IMO, but as long as they try something they are taking a step forward.

As to the inability to take the suggestion that they can't look inward, or when they scoff at "you are not actually possessed,": well, anyone with a severe amount of problems will have trouble in this, be it true or not. IMO it's best to allow them some room to breath in these kinds of things. The reason they do this is because of stress I think, not because of a lack of ability per se.

QuoteI'm stunned. I thought ya wanted me to be serious?

I have not seen a post here that was not serious save the few ones with popcorn in them. (Which, BTW, makes me want some, so I have to leave now :D)

Wow.  I have been hearing this argument for so long it reminds me of the political forums I go to all the time.  Same things rehashed over and over.

The people who experience the negs are experiencing the negs.  Those of us who arent... well... arent.  Some believe, some dont.  It all comes down to experience.  I have experienced some pretty wild neg stuff in my day but I always got over it.  I read some of the stuff that goes on in the PSD forums all over the web and it boggles my mind.  Some of these poor souls have been undergoing life destroying attack for years.  Some are almost killed.

Then you look over the fence and you have people throwing stones at them while they writhe in their own delusions/demons/whatever and/or laugh.  

Then in between you have the people dodging the rocks and trying to shout over the wailing screams of the damned.

:blahblah:

On and on it goes without anything changing.

To all neg suffering folk:

Stand tall and strong.  There isnt anything you can not defeat.  I mean that with all my heart.  I have sympathy and empathy for your suffering but you have to turn the tables sometime.  You cant be the victim forever.  Running pell-mell into the maw of a demon doesnt seem like the smart thing to do necessarily, but it always worked for me.  Seek them out where they sleep.  Use everything at your disposal to summarily thrash and defeat your enemy.  Make them wish they had never been born.  You can do it, I did.  Sometimes a straight up fight works, sometimes you just have to get over the fear and you will never see or be affected by the neg ever again.  This is what happened when I had a serious problem with paralysis and the "keeper at the threshold".  In the beginning I always ran into this guy when I left my body and he would paralyze me and do things to me.  I thought I had run into a demon of epic preportion but I never saw it again once i encountered it head on, on purpose and got over my fear.

Quote from: knightlightWow.  I have been hearing this argument for so long it reminds me of the political forums I go to all the time.  Same things rehashed over and over.

The people who experience the negs are experiencing the negs.  Those of us who arent... well... arent.  Some believe, some dont.  It all comes down to experience.  I have experienced some pretty wild neg stuff in my day but I always got over it.  I read some of the stuff that goes on in the PSD forums all over the web and it boggles my mind.  Some of these poor souls have been undergoing life destroying attack for years.  Some are almost killed.

Then you look over the fence and you have people throwing stones at them while they writhe in their own delusions/demons/whatever and/or laugh.  

Then in between you have the people dodging the rocks and trying to shout over the wailing screams of the damned.

:blahblah:

On and on it goes without anything changing.

To all neg suffering folk:

Stand tall and strong.  There isnt anything you can not defeat.  I mean that with all my heart.  I have sympathy and empathy for your suffering but you have to turn the tables sometime.  You cant be the victim forever.  Running pell-mell into the maw of a demon doesnt seem like the smart thing to do necessarily, but it always worked for me.  Seek them out where they sleep.  Use everything at your disposal to summarily thrash and defeat your enemy.  Make them wish they had never been born.  You can do it, I did.  Sometimes a straight up fight works, sometimes you just have to get over the fear and you will never see or be affected by the neg ever again.  This is what happened when I had a serious problem with paralysis and the "keeper at the threshold".  In the beginning I always ran into this guy when I left my body and he would paralyze me and do things to me.  I thought I had run into a demon of epic preportion but I never saw it again once i encountered it head on, on purpose and got over my fear.

I don't think anyone who doesn't buy into the demonic possession and neg activity thing wishes anything but good health and positive energy to those who believe they are being attacked.
People are not throwing stones at these people - although they constantly get accused of doing so by people who believe in the whole neg thing.
The whole point of the argument is people are actively avoiding treatment which could potentially cure the condition they are suffering from in favour of believing they are being attacked by demons.
Look at James. He could have not bothered seeking medical treatment, he could have thrown his APs in the bin and carried on sprinkling holy water on himself and seeing no improvement in his condition - letting the negativity feed off itself and personifying it into a soul destroying demon. Or he could have done what he did i.e. take what help was available and start doing something about it.
I read the other forums too, and I've yet to see anyone tell someone to go seek professional help – well recently I saw one person talk sense when someone said they started seeing colours across their whole vision and it worried them. Most told him great stuff, third eye blah blah, the one voice of reason told him third eye stuff is all well and good, but first go and get yourself a medical check-up.

I just find it staggering that others will watch people go through hell and self-destruct rather than reconsider their belief systems – and not only that, they attack others who ask the person being attacked to question their belief in demon attack.
I guess some people value their belief system and needs for it to be true (rather than, gasp, trying to be objective (Such a dirty word in most spiritual forums)) over the pain and suffering of others.

Let me clarify something.

Generally speaking, being possessed has little to nothing to do with fear.
You are possessed when a demon rips into your aura and takes control of your system, either completely or to some lesser degree. It is painful, dehabiliatating, and does not diminish or increase depending on your level of fright. And ignoring the fact that you are possessed does not make it go away. Which is the advice Nay keeps dishing out, foolishly I might add.

I can understand why there is confusion about the whole concept. Possession is rare. Most will never even catch a glimpse of it. But, to those unfortuante few who do, it is rediculous to accuse them of creating their own hell - or of only experiencing pain because they desire to. If one is truely possessed- they have little to no control over whether or not they stay possessed. It's an unfortunate fact of reality.

And when one genuinely is possessed, it is not their fear that is the basis of their problem. It is the fact that their energy system, their psyche, the very fabric of their being is being tampered with, tainted, broken, and subverted.

Therefore, ridiculing and accusing someone who is genuinely dealing with demonic possession - is about as sensical as laughing at a cancer victim because they are being devoured against their will. "Clearly, if they would only stop being afraid... " And not only do I see people being ridiculed, but I see them being ridiculed for things that have no serious bearing on the context - this whole "Get over your fear" buisness. It's bullocks.

If the worst thing about possession was the fear, then this wouldn't even be a topic worth writing about. And I would agree with Nay. Just get over it.

But it's not. Possession is a serous problem which can and often does lead to physical problems as well - as the health of the aura is direction related to the health of the body.

And in closing, lack of experience is not evidence. Which is all that Nay has been standing on. So if you are convinced you are possessed - which is usually glaringly obvious if the possession is genuine- it is my reccomendation that you seek help from a healer or a shaman. Possession can be ended, and the aura and psyche healed. There is no need to run around in circles for the rest of your life. It can be ended, and you can get on with life.

And if all you are dealing with is a little fear - it is my reccomendation that you buck up and face it. You will be a better person for it.

This is my final post on the matter. And I'm sure it will be completely disregarded. Regardless, the information needed to be given.

God bless and good luck.

Quote from: pissedoffmysticGenerally speaking, being possessed has little to nothing to do with fear.
You are possessed when a demon rips into your aura and takes control of your system, either completely or to some lesser degree. It is painful, dehabiliatating, and does not diminish or increase depending on your level of fright. And ignoring the fact that you are possessed does not make it go away. Which is the advice Nay keeps dishing out, foolishly I might add.

Bull!   Rip into your aura and take control?  SEE!  that is exactly the stuff I'm talking about!  You cannot be harmed, ever.  I keep dishing it out foolishly?  

Quote from: pissedoffmysticI can understand why there is confusion about the whole concept. Possession is rare. Most will never even catch a glimpse of it. But, to those unfortuante few who do, it is rediculous to accuse them of creating their own hell - or of only experiencing pain because they desire to. If one is truely possessed- they have little to no control over whether or not they stay possessed. It's an unfortunate fact of reality.

Then why is there a buy one get one free sale going on over at Astral Dem....Dynamics?  

Is Robert the one saying all this business about ripping your aura and stuff or is it the in house depossessor?  I read an excerpt from a "depossession" and it was laughable.  I could pull off that routine like that, *snaps fingers* but omg, I wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing that I prayed on someones pain like that, not to mention a serious chemical imbalance that is not their doing, nor a neg or demon.  And if it's Robert promoting this, in all honesty, I'm disappointed, ashamed and embarrassed for him.  I've always heard about the greed monster, but I really have never witnessed it so up close and personal.  But I thank everyone involved for the lesson, it just shows me another aspiration that I will never strive to obtain.

Quote from: pissedoffmysticAnd if all you are dealing with is a little fear - it is my reccomendation that you buck up and face it. You will be a better person for it.

LOL!  Yeah, you are such the big tough man, aren't cha?  When I read that line I had a visual of a ape pounding on his chest. Hehehe..  Not calling you a Ape.  And I will add the disclaimer that everything that I have said is....MY OPINION.

Nay  :brickwall:

I watched Sarafina last night. My roommate is always asking me why I like watching grotesque movies, which I believe is mainly a control tactic to keep the TV constantly on CNN. Sarafina = grotesque?
I told her, "because it makes me angry"...it impassions me.

Previous to this I had been working on a post about Nay's question in regard to an explosion of attacks, and what I couldn't seem to find the words to sum was before me on the television. Kids under blatant attack on a physical, daily basis, suppressed, treated as less than human, gunned down in school yards, dragged out of their beds in the middle of the night & tortured. Of course it's a movie, but I think everyone understands the children I speak of. Children all over the globe suffering. Some right here in the 'civilized' world.

But there's something that's very clear to me about the children of less 'developed' countries...the enemy is visible, and though no less confusing it creates a place to focus energy. It gives them something to fight against. On top of which their lives are wrought with hardship, which childhood is a small measure of. They grow up quick. They learn to cope with adversity and still...even though starving, freezing, struggling, and losing massive chunks of family to disease or murder...there are still smiles. Place these children in one hand, and American children in the other, and somewhere in between is my point.

Yes, there's an increase in so called psychic attack, and yes...I believe a great deal of it develops out of a need for attention and acceptance, but it's a call out for help none the less. There has been some discussion about the video gaming generation leading to an increase in cult mentalities and practices such as Vampirism, Gothic ritual and the Dark Arts, body modification, etc...but like possession or astral attack...it's a symptom. I think what is more curious is the cause.

Anyway to avoid too long a post. Something has definitely torn open...and I believe it to be the fragile mass psyche of children everywhere, and although drugs might be readily at hand to 'curb' the effects...it's nowhere near the answer. Slapping a band-aid over a gushing wound does nothing (and the side effects can be just as bad for ones health as the disease).

I think it's a lazy, thoughtless approach (even therapy)...it's parents all over the place pushing the children aside once again; leaving them with the short end of the stick. It's the outcome of the "me-me generation"... sided with the arrival of highly sensitive and empathic indigo, crystal and star children. Generations of greedy, hording, self-absorbed, ignorant, money-mongers that have ridden the train of efficiency, luxury, disposibility, and unaccountability as far as the tracks would take them, and never once thought about what they would be leaving behind for others to deal with. Children have become a statistic of the largest disposable income...they're a market nothing more. Laden with rules, agendas, and expectations before some can even walk. Five year olds having anxiety attacks because they don't have the right clothes to attend kindergarten in! Is that a dysfunctional mind...or some twisted fuc*ed up conspiracy at the hands of men?!?  

Mix the above with the non-existence of "rights of passage", and decent common skills & responsibilities that provide the basis for self-worth...and we've all got a big problem on our hands. Quite possibly we have (as a nation) become too morally and politically correct, and a backlash is natures way of keeping it all in check. It's where I've come to see the simple work of someone like Ted Nuggent become something of a profit, and welcome the concept of handing a child a rifle.
Desperate times call for desperate measures!

So Nay...it's no small question you pose (what is it with todays kids?!?). It's a massive problem that would involve restructuring nearly everything that surrounds us...the educational system for one. All "systems" in fact.
It's standing up and taking responsibility, and getting active in all manner of things. It's teaching by example...and I'm not talking about your kids...I'm talking about ALL children (even the grown up ones). Or...everyone can keep doing exactly as they want to do and let the entire mess play out. Already there are some strides towards organic diets, home-schooling, natural remedies, the power of the purchasing dollar, getting back to basics, etc. In time all will shift back to what is truly important...of course there has to be a lot of pain and suffering for those on the cusp. It's either put up or shut up for now.

You can't point the finger at the VICTIMS...and isn't it ironic that that seems to be your issue...these kids screaming out, and spending all sorts of energy in hitting that idea home!?!?!

Just my two (heavy) cents.
Soul

Just curious why the words together?!?
= Serious Chemical Imbalance???

The idea that SOME people might "legitimately" be suffering an 'actual' physical/mental problem? And then throw all manner of other causes out the window, bcuz there isn't some pharmaceutical company somewhere with their hands out, pushing drugs, commercials and fear at the populace???

Believe me if there was a "depossession" pill...the corporations would risk every dime they had to get their greasy mitts on the market and squeeze.

Nay...you are a left brainer. Maybe it would help if you were more clear on that point. That you don't believe in anything, unless you yourself can squeeze it in your little palm. I get the mental picture of trying to teach the concept of spirit to a monkey. :wink:
(and some of my best friends are monkeys!)

Anyway...only so much amusement from primates slinging poop back and forth. Later
333

Quote from: souljahI watched Sarafina last night. My roommate is always asking me why I like watching grotesque movies, which I believe is mainly a control tactic to keep the TV constantly on CNN. Sarafina = grotesque?
I told her, "because it makes me angry"...it impassions me.

You just proved a lot of my points by this comment, thank you.  You totally thrive on the anger, hate, vileness, depressing, and helpless feeling don't you?  It makes you feel good and alive, and strangely enough, in control....thus why you are never going to be free of your problems.  You have created your negs and demons, don't you see you have created your environment by living, eating, breathing and sleeping this negativity?  There is such a thing as balance, ya know?

When I said I was stunned in my previous post, I was going to say another reason for that was because your post prior, had a eerily calm tone about it and I thought James might have been some reason for that.  James has that special touch with women. :grin:

But then you come back and continued on your angry, hate filled, personal attack ways, which made me realize that in your "calm" post you had just taken your meds and they were working....my mother is the same way.

I find it very interesting that I'm now realizing you remind me of my mother...   There's a lesson in there somewhere....I'll get it, just give me time. :grin:

wtf?!? yeah...okay call me insane bcuz I have a real problem with violent behavior and abuse...with KIDS being gunned down in the streets by militia!
if anyone is painting a really clear picture of their dysfunction...
it's you my dear, not me.

calm is nothing new...i hear that a lot, but 'eerie' calm...that's funny.
why would that haunt you? thank god you don't get to define who i am (except in your own small mind, which is easily laughed off)...otherwise you'd have me and a lot of other fearless, open & great minded folk locked up. ha!

(strange how you didn't reply to my calm letter, but to the last allegedly angry one...what that's say?!?)

are you mad? i am your mother, and there's a great lesson in that, and when you're ready to deal with it...and all the rest of the things you jerk and dance around. well...you'll see when you get there. talk about adjusting.

no meds, imbalances, undirected anger, or alcohol at this end sweets.
sorry.
333  

and ps...it's not me that's afraid of darkness, distrubances, demons, depression or the like...it's you.

Quote from: NayBull!   Rip into your aura and take control?  SEE!  that is exactly the stuff I'm talking about!  You cannot be harmed, ever.

As I stated earlier, lack of experience is not proof. Just because this has never happened to you, and the idea of it sounds unpleasant, does not mean that is does not occur.

P.O.M.,

QuoteAs I stated earlier, lack of experience is not proof. Just because this has never happened to you, and the idea of it sounds unpleasant, does not mean that is does not occur.

I'll go along with that comment.

I do tend to have a bit of a problem with the concepts of possession, as I've seen it come more from fear based religious dogmas than any kind of practical sources. Noted authors & psychic practitioners such as Ted Andrews also question the validity of possesions simply because they've been called to help many "possessed" people, and every time they've found it to be something else, something more "down to earth".

Ok, so that's what other people have said.
For me - I haven't actually ever experienced possession myself or in someone close to me, so I would have to say I'm unqualified to say whether it is or isn't real.

While I've not ever seen any real evidence of it, I'll accept that possession is indeed possible.

However, What I HAVE seen evidence of, and experienced first hand, is that our souls, our spirit beings, especially while incarnated in our physical bodies in this physical plane, are vastly stronger than any non-incarnate "negative" spirit being. Our souls would never allow us to become possessed by another entity unless there was a definite purpose, a necessary experience or lesson to be brought to us from it.

Even then, we ALWAYS have the tools to be able to overcome our lifes challenges. These tools are an integral part of us, though if we are not living consciously, if we are just grazing sheeple (still love that term Soul), we possibly won't know where to find those tools.

We are never completely lacking in control of our lives or helpless to make choices, ever. The belief that we are is the nothing more than an  insidious tool used by organised religions to keep people under their domination.

In a nutshell, if you believe that you can be possessed and be powerless to do anything about , then so shall your reality be.

What really bothers me are the "psychic healers" that will allow such beliefs to continue. I won't call them wrong, but these beliefs simply don't work when it comes to personal evolution.

I hope you can believe that you can live a life free of torments. Such a belief would definitely work better for you.

Blessings,  
James.

James Wrote:

QuoteWe are never completely lacking in control of our lives or helpless to make choices, ever. The belief that we are is the nothing more than an insidious tool used by organised religions to keep people under their domination.

No one has to look as far as organized religion to find the struggle for domination...the seed is planted in the above concept that 'we' are in control.

Have to excuse how this might come off...5th day of fast...might be vague and sketchy. (Nay...don't bother!) My mind is working in rather large, all encompassing circles.

Thinking a lot about the multiple aspect of 'self'...pushing the conversation through the tired ol' schizophrenic 'beliefs' with the fairly common understanding that our spirits are a multiplex of various understandings & functions...falling under one general perspective (for the kiddies...kinda like a shopping mall. one main mall hosting thousands of different shops and services), and ultimately that the flesh and bones of it all; our physical aspects categorize us all as part of the 'animal' kingdom.
There's a lot more going on than "I am me...plaint & simple".

True, many a great mind has been driven mad over the possibilities. And simple enough it should be to see the conflict within every person...a constant struggle between the conscious mind & animal mind for control, and more so balance. We all enter into this world (as humans) with the exact same equipment. Each of us a physical construct (like a computer), with a cosmic soul (like software...all developed from the same ultimate source). Folks may argue this of course, but my point is more that I don't believe anyone needs to be told about 'choices' or 'control"...or which end is commonly believed to be "up". I have to give credit where credit is due...we all have the same programming after all.

Everyone that works with a computer understands the basics of windows, but of course it's not the only operating system. There a million out there to draw from thin air. Windows isn't even the "best" operating system, but it's the mass-produced one...the original lets say, and there are those that swear by it's creation.

Coming to the conclusion that I shouldn't be writing in this head-space, but what the hell?!? I'm the one that continues to pose the irritating question..."how do we "know" that our minds are our own?"
In an absolute sense I think it's ridiculous to assume that it is. Just the fact that we are continuously bombarded with conditioning from the moment our first cell is divided...it's impossible to separate what parts of ourself are genuinely original, and what is merely a call to expectation...what we pretend is us. What we "take on" in order to optimize our systems operation isn't necessarily a sin....works like FireFox...an 'open-source' directory of the millions of possibilities available at any given time; constantly being redeveloped, and exchanged for optimum function. All the little odds 'n' ends that are added to the original system. What might-not be useful to one person...might be highly useful to another. What might seem like a great concept...might actually suck in it's design, etc. (and all the little "extensions" that have yet to developed).

Ten years ago this website itself would have fallen under great scrutiny, been called a farce by well-meaning persons that had everyone's best interests at heart. It still hovers on that fence...as the scientific minded struggle for answers to the unanswerable...and work to gain control over the general theories...whatever! It's still more MYSTIC than not, and no degree of preaching will ever change that. In order to FULLY understand all that lays outside the boundaries of the physical...one EVENTUALLY needs to let go of their CRITICAL (monkey) mind...and open them-self up to experience. The true explorer (who is willing to enter into the complete unknown...has no way of preparing himself.) He must walk in with the understanding that he knows nothing...leaving all previous conclusions behind. That in itself is scary. The main reason the majority of animals herd and pack. The reason Sheeple stick to the farm.

I might be a fool at times, but I am no less intelligent than anyone else. I have sacrificed a great deal to explore the 'unknown" as far as it allowed. To come back round from that only to have the land-dwellers conclude that I am nothing but crazy...a depressed, dysfunctional, anger feeding nut-job...that mentality is a joke. Usually not as extreme as Nay's point-of-view (I'm saving up to buy her a GREAT BIG picture window!), but still that common eye roll, that look that says without saying..."What outrageous childhood fantasies are these that I have no time for!?!"

Only makes sense that the general populace would welcome the lighter, more upbeat side of the "unknown"...if they accept any of it at all. Still...my heart goes out to those (like me) that look past that, and continue to look past that even.

All those that are being lumped into this...naive, "don't have the maturity or intelligence to know better/know what's best for them", CONFUSED and LACKING types...those comments are a waste of energy.
People are dying all over the place from countless things daily. The miners for instance that risk their lives to crawl down deeper and deeper shafts to heat the homes of people that would never consider doing that work...that don't even have the intelligence themselves to think that "miners" are involved! Coal comes from a big truck, right? And Hamburger comes from a grocery store!
When these people try to speak as if they know what they're talking about...it can & usually does tinkle me off. That's my ignorance responding to their ignorance. There are a lot of folk out there that never think to question the current 'conventional' programming they've adopted, bcuz at the time it seemed the best "choice"...or they're too scared to try a new approach. (man, there are some passionate activists out there for "old school" thinking)...unfortunately for me not old enough.

My closing point is that no one here is truly concerned for what anyone else is going through. There is no empathy from the old school. Only criticisms & confinements. These kids (and others) that are jumping off cliff into the unknown with free abandonment...conscious or unconscious...they know exactly what they're doing. They're redesigning our collective understanding...reaching out for "nothing" in particular. Just doing it for the sake of survival. They're suffocating here in this closed space. They need more information to work with...they're far higher functioning computers...old minds can't hope to understand without frying their circuitry. Let them go! Don't add useless weight to their flight, by trying to program their cosmic hard drives with old, worn out software, just bcuz it's what you trust and understand. What right do you have to stash some personal sentiment onto a spaceship...to say that some aspect of you has reached the stars?!? There's only room out there for those that have suffered their own understanding. Bumps and bruises along the way is not a good enough reason to stay put!!!

Note: "YOU" is no one in particular...just the general idea of a closed mind.

Soul :roll:

on the other hand i was thinking...

what if the division 'here'...those that wish to go forth, and those that insist everyone stay put...is mirrored with the 'underworld'?!? what if...all the wildlife on the other side is just as ol'school as here? where they too are insisting that the newer versions 'stick with the program'...and the main reason neither side has ever been able to pass threw into the other?!?

what if...for each open-minded individual that strives to explore, and push threw that veil...there is one on the 'other side' achieving the same!?! And what happens when the balance is tipped??? is a new space created in the center where all the open-minds meet? do those with closed minds stay behind in the same ol' world...never knowing anything has changed?

anyway...be grateful it's only day 5! :wink:
SoulJahhhhhh

WOW!
It seems as your stomach empties your mind fills.
That was insightful Soul!

My head hurts now.

Sorry :oops: Not much longer.

yeah...that was a lot of writing for not saying much at all!?!
but double points for JAMES for bothering to read it!!! :grin:

Quote from: Souljah333yeah...that was a lot of writing for not saying much at all!?!
but double points for JAMES for bothering to read it!!! :grin:

Thanks Soul.  :smile:
But waddaya mean not saying much at all? That was a HUGE brain dump. Sure you might have been drifting a little off the road topic wise, but I agree with what you're saying.
Besides, I've learned to carefully read through your posts as you always have at least one bright sparkly gem in there somewhere.  :wink:

The "old school" types need to always remember to stay open to new ideas and new perspectives, otherwise they / we can become an institution that fails to serve the people its there for. Gods know we've seen enough of them throughout the ages.

Its like the law of physics that get held on to like a favourite teddy bear despite the fact that a couple of new laws have now been uncovered. Or the religions that try and tell us that God told us everything we need to know 2000 years ago, and ignore the fact that God's still whispering in our ears and telling us new things every day.

Blessings,
James.

Amen Brother James.

Pretty much my view on things as well...that there is always something useful to retrieve from any post/conversation/experience if you're interested in seeking it out. I'm not against "old school" as far as hands-on basics are concerned, although I do lean a little more towards old-old school. Wood burning stoves, handmade furniture, quilts and the like. Hearkening back to when things were made by hand, and the hardships made life healthier.

I have a theory about that in relation to neg attacks. Something about mass produced material items carrying a energy that's conducive to negativity hiding out, or at least vibrating on a level that serves no greater function most times then aesthetics. This in relation to the ol' school stuff that was a labour of love. The Japanese always come to mind with their practices of Feng Shui. Life not being over-burdened by accessories & chachki. Everything serving a purpose. Each item, not only cared for & respected as useful/appreciated, but made with a great amount of care & wisdom (esp. in regards to the materials used/the natural resources.)

Whether it's a garden, home, office, or a simple Bonsai tree...it's honed to a smooth, flowing energy that benefits health & the positive, and these spaces/items are not conducive to neg attachment. MPO.
Something to do with living with "intention" & being mind-full.

Anyway...still appreciate/respect your openness to get your hands dirty.
Fewer and fewer guys willing to do that anymore!?! 'Tis true.

Love Soul

:grin:

When I was exposed to extreme negativity (it was quite bad, and most of my chakras were off, half the time I could barely feel my body, and was so ungrounded I thought I would feint after doing dishes, I worked with Angel cards, not for the situation I had found myself in in particular, but just to work with a new deck I'd recieved.

The Archangel Micheal card (which lets you know you are protected from lower energies at any given time), stuck with me, and I set it out on instinct.
Whenever things were rough, my eyes were drawn to it. I could be thinking about something else entirely, and my eyes would be drawn to that card, shortly after that some resolution had presented itself, and I was indeed protected from the worst...

I recommend Archangel Micheal for serious matters like negs that are bound and determined to leech off of you or worse.
Angelic power is just as strong as its reputed to be.

:wink:

About the subject of posession I thought I would my mention my neighbour is still attacking me day and night even though I've moved abroad (he manages it by vampirizing his neighbours). I know it's probably still him since the attacks intensified after I stayed some months in the old country. I've found magnets useful (but not conclusive) against his negative energy attacks since they absorb most of it. I have some at the one aura hole I have (self-inflicted) at the hip where the energy enters and others to suck it up after it enters. What enabled the posession in his case I believe was a desire to prove himself a man by dominating me. His (or its) tactic is to have a "mole" permanently implanted in me which helps it/him locate me (he can read my thoughts through it), but I've given it some though times with the magnets. When the mole is strong it can create some urges in me by itself to give it advantage. R. Bruce mentions in his book cases of posesed people attacking telepathically and this seems to me to be one such case.