I understand what you are saying here. I read that truth is a privledge. Not everything you read is the truth. Much information you come by is only what spiritual people you to control your mind. I live through a experience where I'm going ever karmic and other justication you could ever imagine. Eveything I do has a effect. There is really no relationship to it. I was told that I'm allowing my attack to happen on some level. This is in no way true. It's the cover up you hear to justify the wrongs of someone else.
I'm coming to believe that karma doesn't really exist. It only exist in the minds of people that cause things to happen in your life to justify what they have sent out for things to happen to you.
Here is an example my grand daughter, which isn't even 1 yet got burned by coffee. I know my attacker has something to do with it. He also has something else planned. He keeps showing me images of peoplel that things are going to happen which he is causing..
Quite a few years ago I met a person who also thought karma did not exist. I can't remember exactly how he said it.
Once during a meditation I got a strong insite along those lines about karma.
This person also said reincarnation only happens to those people who believe it or to those who have a great desire to be drawn back to this world and this dimension. So it maybe just a matter of controlling desires so a person is not drawn back here over and over.
I often wonder why a spirit form needs to be trapped in a limiting physical form and such a limiting physical dimension.
I have also heard such nonsense like a person is allowing this thing or that thing on some level. I have also heard more new age nonsense like you are self-destructive because bad things continue to happen in your life. More new age nonsense like bad things are meant to teach a lesson. The only thing bad circumstances ever did to me was to make me angry and bitter or invoke a similar feeling.
Lots of these new age ideas are like shackles.
Hello Xelios
One of my first experiences with a New Age Healing method was watching a person dying of cancer being told by the healer that it was all his fault. He was a revengeful person that had his emotions poisoning him. I have never liked that method of healing again.
I feel that there is sensible spirituality that should be used.Do not let anyone control or boss you around. They are not God or who ever you are worshipping. Do not do methods that you are getting a warning about. Do listen to your inner self and if it sounds dangerous don't do it.
I always try to let people have the benefit of the doubt. I will always do what is best for me in my opinion no matter what anyone else says should be done. The other side of the coin is if you hire an expert on something listen to them. I have had people who don't want to heal or hear what I say. They do not do anything and they then complain that so and so couldn't help them. They never listened or did things properly and they wanted to thwart their healing. If you don't want to hear it then don't ask for their opinions. If you don't feel comfortable with their methods then don't hire them.
It means whether it is New Age or old everyone should only do what they feel comfortable with doing. You should research any schools or teachers that you study with in any type of classes. You wouldn't go to a university to get a degree without hearing about the school and its credentials. You research and study. You read pros and cons then you do the methods you feel good about.
I know most people are spiritual dabblers. They never make a commitment and seriously study anything anymore. It is a big mistake to do this.
Nita
Hello Xelios
One thing I forgot. Negative spirits and spells link to negative occurances in a persons life. They feed off of these energies and it is why there is always a place where the person allows them to attach to them. The person does not want to think or look at those moments so they are the perfect hiding spots.
It takes the victim working upon themselves to heal these spots and remove the negative energies by forgiveness of themself for letting it happen, releasing all of the pain and sorrow, and then deciding to go on with their lives accepting themselves and what they do. They have to accept responsibilty for their decisions and keep themselves out of the same energetic patterns that caused the problems A curse allows something that can be blamed for every wrong and bad decision or happening without taking responsibility for any of it. You never did the bad or mean thing but the curse caused you to do it.
The person who expects an instant cure with out working upon themselves will never receive it. They do not give permission for these things to happen but their lives lead them to a certain moment where they have to overcome these lessons to go further in their lives. A lot of people have problems where they can learn how to grow into real people. Not ones who have a front of what they want to be and don't really know what they are.
A lot of the different new age thought places the blame upon the person. They then say you allowed it and ostracize the person with the troubles instead of aiding them to a better energetic and mental condition. They also have a superiority thing going on where they are more evolved and spiritual. A person who is truly evolved and spiritual does not have to walk upon others sorrows to be that way. They compare themselves to their past and try to make improvements.
Nita
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The first place on my hit list is.
1. Spiritualist Churches,websites or chatrooms.
There are two types of people who go to spiritualist churches. Those who control and those who are controlled. The leaders of any spiritualist church I went to used psychic abililities to gain control and mastery over their students. The leaders of spiritualist churches will only teach you their meager amount of knowledge if they know for certain that they can control you on every level.
I spent time in a spiritualist setup when I first started quite a few years ago. I believe that there are good people who do devote their time to their fellow humans by doing healing etc. But as you say there are the control freaks and many who attend have given up their ability to run their own lifes and put themselves in the hands of 'readings' etc. This is one of the reasons I left due to people turning up every week wanting to be told how to life their life for the coming week.
At that time I also found it an incredibly restrictive philosophy where any sign of ablities outside their sphere were stamped on. Someone I know who recently tried Spiritualism also found it much the same in his opinion so maybe not much change to my opinion.
I also noted some dark stuff around such gatherings and also a few other places. I think that there is a degree of blind faith re. protection and it is not always sufficient and of course anyone can walk in to the meetings with whatever baggage that they have.
I recall one person who considered themselves a leader of men telling how when their guide turned up they would draw energy from his stomach area and he thought this was good. Discussions as to why so called beings of light might need to do this were discouraged [}:)]
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Quite a few years ago I met a person who also thought karma did not exist. I can't remember exactly how he said it.
Once during a meditation I got a strong insite along those lines about karma.
I find it difficult to take this one on, another guilt trip for us humans. One idea that I have come across for reincarnation type memories is that entities which have experience from the past will pass these memories on to the physical person thus giving them such memories.
I have never been to a spiritualist church where I felt safe. Actually during most meditation circles I attended at spiritualist churches I saw numerous entities made of black energy who easily passed through the circle. Dangerous places to go to for any type of training.
My last mentor,who had been psychically trained from a young age, said she would not enter a spiritualist church unless she had 1000 warrior angels with her. She was quite powerful,and she defeated a satanic high priest.
One spiritualist reverend told me to use a swastika as a sign for my guides. A symbol to call my guides to me. I don't know where that symbol originally came from,but I do know that the nazis corrupted it to the point where it would be foolhardy to use it for any occult work. Why not a rose or a dove or a silver shield with a symbol on it. She specifically told me to use a swastika. Of course I was not foolish enough to do that.
Then she also told me my guides would put me into trance while I drove home,and that if I let them do so I would find myself in the spirit world.
Why would guides put a person in danger? They wouldn't do that,so it just shows the type of thing that was influencing her for her to give such insane messages.
I had to stop riding my bicycle due to bad health. When I would ride it after my health got bad, riding would cause massive discomfort. A spiritualist medium told me I should start riding my bike again,so I did and I felt the same massive discomfort. I went back to that "church" next sunday ,and told her to her face what I thought of her idiotic message.
Then a woman who was a satanist would go to the spiritualist church during the wednesday night meditation circle. She went there to get people into her private class,so she could initiate them and lead them down the dark path.
The spiritualists had no clue what that woman was up to,or if they did they sure didn't stop her.
I remember the Metaphysical Church I went to for help when my experiences started happening, and I remember how the basement (where all the teaching, readings, and meditating took place) of that church felt...there was a strong energy of confusion, fear, anxiety, it was awful.
I agree Xelios! I've been to a Spiritualist church a few times--The energy in that particular church felt oppressive,heavy, musty and dank.
Everywhere these days there are so many people that are teaching "psychic development" classes that don't have the first clue.
Unfortunately there are way too many eager beavers that are greedy for power and abilities they don't know how much they are putting themselves and others at risk.
Another beef of mine are all the so called "Reiki Masters" this is also such a joke. Ya-- you can become a "master" in 3 days and for some $ Cash. Step right up folks!
It's embarrassing [:I]
celeste
There are people out there attacking other people claiming they are paying back karma to you and to other people around you. I told you that my grand daughter was burnt my attacker correlated to me being at work and examing metal at work and the paint didn't cover and I chiped off paint where it had blistered. This is the logic that my attacker uses for karma. Karma doesn't play apart in a attack it's just the l;ine of bull you are fed to shut your mouth up to be controlled by the attacker. raising vibrations don't help because when they do they attack you more for your happiness. Matter of fact my attacker had me to the point of suicide to save my family and he brought me back up. That's the reversal you get. Everything is according to them. They have a hold of you and you fight back and you get slammed. They have no karma attached to them for what they are doing. I have been attacked for 5 1/2 years and three years didn't know he was attacking me. Maybe it would best be put as I didn't have full awareness of the influence he had over me. With the influence I have also been able to control some of it. But I can tell you thinks that would go against most of what you are told. I sauid before I maybe more possessed then what an attack is.
Mediation is a form of relaxing, anyone can do this. You can bring your vibration up by doing anything you like. What is happening is you are being told that what you are doing is causing harm. You listen to music you like because someone else don't like it then it's wrong. I had one psychic ask me what I thought of gay people she made it a point to tell me what she thought and that God didn't make man and woman for there to be gays. What right do people place their opinions on other people. The irony is my attacker says he is making me and other's around me pay for things we do because it justifies his attacking me. I'm not the only one this person is attacking. I have come across other people. He is done far more then what any of us. If I choice to forgive someone for something they have done to me it's my right but this man thinks he can do harm to people that have done me harm. The story is more then that. My attacker also says that it's his GREAT WORK as Aliester crowley calls it to attack people and cause harm to them. Not saying that was crowley's great work.
I know what this man is going to cause to happen. It's him playing God as he likes to think he is. It what most people consider the dualism of a God. He creates he uses forces or energy to cause bad things to people then uses the term karma to make people think that God is paying you back on the terms that he wants.
I have much more to tell on this story. Part of the problem being is that people that attack other people are being told on. we dare to go against them and their power.
A friend pushed me once to have a look at Sukyo Mahikari... since they offer free healing to visitors. While, theroreticaly it's all "free" and nice, I did not like a few things like: worship "god of money" to which you give your donations (I had 5 members come other and heavily suggest me to donate)... I especialy did not like the fact that, with your donation, you have to put your name down... Why would they want to track names and amounts of $$$?!?!? Sounded fishy to me... so never came back. Many members felt empty of emotions; and the one smiling had a scary smile... [;)]
This place and a couple other places I go to on the interent are the only places where I have managed to learn anything useful.
I got five breakthroughs using Robert's rope technique to enter trance.
I also have found only about a dozen occult/psychic books that have been any good.
I know. There are a lot of people around calling themselves reiki masters. I always thought a person was a master if they were near the level of Jesus,Buddha,angels,powerful shamans or someone else like them.
If we were experts we wouldn't be here...
Nagual, that place sounds like a cult.
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I have never been to a spiritualist church where I felt safe. Actually during most meditation circles I attended at spiritualist churches I saw numerous entities made of black energy who easily passed through the circle. Dangerous places to go to for any type of training.
Nowadays I would agree with that sentiment :(
Also many other places used for worship and gatherings, a priest friend tells me that many of the services such as Mass have as a component the building of a spiritual conterpart of the alter by drawing from the congregation. He tells me that this is a noble 'sacrifice' by the congregation and that the energy is then used for Gods work. I do ponder this logic because if God is omni present etc then it is taking from God to give to God I think :)
I do think that some churches have an unsavoury feel and this may be due to the above. It is perhaps an easy source of energy. As with your example people gathering together do bind their energy (I have seen some dowsing experiments suggesting this) and again could the become a useful source for those wanting to feed.
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One spiritualist reverend told me to use a swastika as a sign for my guides. A symbol to call my guides to me. I don't know where that symbol originally came from,but I do know that the nazis corrupted it to the point where it would be foolhardy to use it for any occult work. Why not a rose or a dove or a silver shield with a symbol on it. She specifically told me to use a swastika. Of course I was not foolish enough to do that.
Madam Blavatsky (SP?), a person who went to Tibet and came back to form the Theosophical society I think. The story goes that she brought the symbol back with her. The Nazis picked up on her stuff and fitted it to there version of Aryan history.
The symbol was used quite extensively prior to the Nazis contribution to madness, obviously subsequently fell in disrepute.
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Then she also told me my guides would put me into trance while I drove home,and that if I let them do so I would find myself in the spirit world.
This would be after you hit the tree [:I]
I reread my earlir message and see that my comment about Karma may be misleading. I also have doubts about its validity, seems to me that such a process would be a never ending cycle.
Xelios,
I totally agree with you. I would say that there are a very few
Reiki people & healers that are actually realistic & good. Many
will spout all that "learning lessons' , you're allowing it stuff.
That's what I call a Cult. There was one years ago called Lifespring
which told people that you are to blame for everything bad in your life. Caused many people to become mentally ill & one to suicide. I do not know where they suddenly came up with all that nonsense.
If you were being physically assaulted, no one whould say that on some level "you're allowing it" & "you're just learning a lesson".
Even if one may help cause one's own bad health by eating a bad diet, no one tells that person that it's their fault if they have a heart attack. People give sympathy instead.
The same compassion should be shown to the psychically afflicted.
Psychic attacks can cause all kinds of mood changes, & in extreme cases, mental illness. We don't tell mentally ill people that it's all their fault either. We deserve sympathy, compassion 7 understanding without blame too.
[|)]
A tree or something.
Many things have tried to destroy me over the years. As far as I can tell she was up to the same thing.
My last teacher said I should have nailed that spiritualist reverend with white light and symbols of banishing.
It doesn't matter where the swastika came from. The nazis hatred corrupted that symbol,so it is about as wise to use it as it would be to use an upside down cross.
I have heard of churches where the reverend would drain the energy from the flock. That is what those t.v evangelists would do.
When I was at one spiritualist church the "reverend" at that place tried to control me,and it felt like somebody was trying to place a dog collar around my neck. She failed though.
I have gone to church before and noticed how people would sit there and be almost hypnotised. They appeared to be in an altered state listening to the priest,etc. I never listen much to the sermons, I have to say I was shielding myself in some way. I can understand now after reading some of the passages in the bible. One passage says if your neighbor slaps you on the side of the face then turn the other cheek and let him slap you on that side. It's what they call humility. This also tells you to let yourself be abused by others. In other words let you be attacked. Or let my attacker do what he wants as long as I do he gets away with it and keeps doing it until he learns what it's like to have it done to him. People like that just go from one person to another until they pay the price for it. There no stopping them until they have learned the lesson of what they do.
Hello Xelios
There is a spell where it does feel like a dog collar or a cap over your head and it is used to control you. You are correct that every illness has a cause and no one is to blame for that illness. Psychic illness's are very difficult because you have to find where it is attached to and how it started. It is like a detective novel. The who, what, why when and where.
Different things work for different people unlike physical illness's where you can standardize a treatment. I have never been to a spiritualist church and have never wanted to go. I have been to a lot of other ceremonies and places. It all comes down to the person and their judgement of what they want to do. Listening to yourself saves you a lot of trouble in this life.
Nita
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My last teacher said I should have nailed that spiritualist reverend with white light and symbols of banishing.
There are a lots of things that need nailing to a wall as a starting point :( Not enough time to get to them all
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It doesn't matter where the swastika came from. The nazis hatred corrupted that symbol,so it is about as wise to use it as it would be to use an upside down cross.
I think that in principle it does matter, the symbol at one time was associated with good acts. To let it be highjacked for all time denies it's original value. Although in this case it would be somewhat of an uphill struggle. It is like say White Supremacist groups who highjack the national flag, people need to grab it back.
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I have heard of churches where the reverend would drain the energy from the flock. That is what those t.v evangelists would do.
When I was at one spiritualist church the "reverend" at that place tried to control me,and it felt like somebody was trying to place a dog collar around my neck. She failed though.
I mentioned recently the loop technique, if you get sight of this again, try visuallising along the connection in order to view the perp and their actions. Can be interesting in an informative way, then you can stomp on them ;)
CriminalMind.
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I can understand now after reading some of the passages in the bible. One passage says if your neighbor slaps you on the side of the face then turn the other cheek and let him slap you on that side. It's what they call humility. This also tells you to let yourself be abused by others. In other words let you be attacked.
This just seems to have been ingrained into some cultures and is exploited by all and sundry :( One wonders the motives of those that introduced such thinking. I particularly hate those that claim there is a lesson to be learn't and that failing to do so is denying some spiritual growth opportunity. Abuse is abuse!
Hello Mick
You are ignoring a great moment of insight by not feeling a lesson is to be learnt.You may consider it a catch all but if you don't learn then how are you living? Do you ever do anything new or fun? You learn lessons every moment of life by living it. You have to admit you are accepting abuse to decide what to do about it. You have to know the difference between bad and good to decide whether you should do something or not.
It is cause and effect and is a part of this world in every way. You have to understand that there is an opposite emotion and action for everything that is done. You have to consciously choose the decisions that lead you in the way you want to go. You had to learn a lesson on how to do this to know it must be done.
People misinterpret this as having to go through suffering. It does not mean that but it does mean being responsible for you actions. You have the opportunity to open up your choices.People who are hexed have a tendancy to only see the bad to worse choices. It is why these bad things happen to them. It doesn not mean bad karma or anything else they just can't see the good choices. They are able to change their lives when they know how to do it to the good choices by applied energy methods and techniques to open up their mind.
We have the free will to make these choices. I know I have made bad choices in the past. I learned what was at the roots of what caused me to make them and resolved it. I do not let it happen again that means I learned a lesson in how to live my life. Children are a good example of this because the parents have to teach them the art of how to live. They become potty trained because no one wants everyone doing anything else. They learn to say thank you and please because it is how to relate to others. The list goes on and it is all learning and a lesson on how to live.
Most people that are attacked or the attackers are people who have not learned how to live magically. They do not understand that you can't do certain things without repercussions. They have to realize that they can do things to ease their suffering. They have to learn these things to do so it is another lesson in life. They are all psychic.
I could win the lottery. I would make choices on how to spend it. I could improve others lives or my own. I would learn lessons from that and not all of them would be good. Life is learning how to live and be a real person. No one shows you how to do this so you learn lessons about yourself and life. You can call it a catch all but where would you be now if you did not know how to talk and spell words?
Nita
I come across this information I hope enough people will see this. I have stated before about sending out love and having good feeling and it not stopping attacks. Here is a website with the Information. Please read there is some good information on it.http://educate-http://educate-yourself.org/rv/psycrhstalfaq10jun03.shtmlyourself.org/rv/psycrhstalfaq10jun03.shtml
Mudshadows: The energy parasites that possess no visible form and feed off human emotional energy from love, hate, despair, hopelessness, damnation
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Hello Mick
You are ignoring a great moment of insight by not feeling a lesson is to be learnt.You may consider it a catch all but if you don't learn then how are you living? Do you ever do anything new or fun? You learn lessons every moment of life by living it. You have to admit you are accepting abuse to decide what to do about it. You have to know the difference between bad and good to decide whether you should do something or not.
It is cause and effect and is a part of this world in every way. You have to understand that there is an opposite emotion and action for everything that is done. You have to consciously choose the decisions that lead you in the way you want to go. You had to learn a lesson on how to do this to know it must be done.
I think you have missed my point!
We all have the potential to learn from lifes experiences good or bad. But when the so called spiritually inclined underwrite abusive behavior by people or entities as a method to promote/teach spiritual truths then I have my considered opinion about such beliefs. This practise also assumes that people who find themselves being attacked were not living their lives to the full prior to this point which for some is put on hold.
There is much said about 'cause and effect' which obviously has a place in both the physical and non-physical worlds but again it has become a catch all to promote and manage thinking processes. My advice is first observe extensively and then see if and how the observations fit the various promoted metaphors.
Contrary to your analysis of me, learning and teaching has been a life long process as it is for many people, I do not resort to abuse of others during such a process. If you believe that teaching methods involving abuse is a valid way to way to go then you are of course entitled to your opinions as we all are. I understand schools for the most part gave up such methods some time ago.
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Most people that are attacked or the attackers are people who have not learned how to live magically. They do not understand that you can't do certain things without repercussions. They have to realize that they can do things to ease their suffering. They have to learn these things to do so it is another lesson in life. They are all psychic.
Ah, that suffering word again :(
People who abuse their powers will eventually get punished, but the next time somebody tries to control me with spells or psychic powers I will hit back very hard.
I still stick to what I said earlier about the swastika.It is unfortunate that it is now a dark symbol. At one time it might have been a good symbol, but you take a great risk if you use it now.
The woman who told me to hit that spirtualist with banishing symbols was a person who had been trained from the age of ten to use her psychic powers. It is always a wise move to listen to people who are more powerful then you.
I knew a person who played with mirrors to see spirits. The only spirits he saw were evil spirits,and that is because using mirrors like this is a good way to become possesed,which is eventually what happened to him. Looking into mirrors was what he had been taught at a spiritualist church.
I went to his house and peered into the mirror he was using,and all I saw were evil twisted faces. The things in that dimension would have made Hitler look peaceful.
I told him he shouldn't be using it. He wouldn't listen.
Some of these dangerous occult tools will get a very strong hold on a person,and the more that person uses that tool the stronger the compulsion is to use it more and more.
If a dark tool or symbol gets its claws into you, you'd better pray that you're will is strong enough for you to break away from it.
Hello Mick
You misunderstood me. You also do not know much about me if you think I have ever advocated abuse or any kind of suffering. People do have to learn. They do have lessons. They have to give up the things that trap them into the negative cycles and they have to work upon themselves. They may not have caused themselves to be where they are at but they have the choice on whether or not to stay there. The reason this phrase popped up in New Age thought is not because of people like me. It popped up because people just got sick and tired of dealing with others who put them through nothing but grief.
They took it a step further and gave themselves an ego boost by being able to say they were more evolved than the other people on top of it. The reason for this is a lot of people want to do nothing but complain. You can see this with abused people who have been beaten by others. They all go back to the people who harm them at least once. The reason why is they fool themselves. The ones who go into hate and rage also tie themselves closer to the person who abused them than if they were part of them. Very few of the people are smart enough to cut the situation loose and see how unhealthy they have become mentally. They always say I wouldn't be this way if this hadn't of happened and make excuses. They blame their problems upon the abuse instead of overcoming it. The people that overcome what is going on are the ones doing something about it. They are not the ones still complaining about the people and staying in the same place.
Now before everyone gets mad at me because I am saying something unpopular. I am sorry for you if it hurts your feelings. It is a fact that some people are not patient with others and want to be mean because they want to have their world go the way they want it to go. The New Age healers do not want to admit that they just can not cure some things. Some things have to be done by the person themselves. They use control such as in the churches mentioned to make it so everyone agrees with them. It makes them feel better.
I do not feel suffering makes your life come more alive. Learning new methods and having things go right are invigorating. Benefiting from the hard work done learning something is great. Enjoying every moment of life good or bad is something that breaks you loose from the cycle of complaint and negatvity that goes on in this world. Those things make your life come alive. I hope everyone takes a moment or two to think about this instead of becoming upset. Life is full of everything that can happen to you and you are the ones that get to decide how to live it. You are also the person that has to look at yourself in the mirror every day. Think about what you want to see.
Nita
My what I have learned and through my experience is psychic attacks are based on the mind. Psychology is the key here, as with God and the Devil. One is good and one is evil. I hear life is a matter of perception, yes as is good and evil. The occult or spirituality is playing with psychology. Karma is part of it. Spirutality or and one explaining anything to you from their perspective based on the psychology of the group being from family, friends, mentors, etc. People with powers are breed to believe they have a right to control other people. It is breed into their minds. spirituality and and other being have nothing to do with this. You are initiated into something that makes you believe you have a right to do what you WILL to people. Most of the information is a mind game. Think about the theory of karma, think about the theory of everything you are told about the spiritual. God is unknown so is a lot of things. When you are told you have to go through something to learn why? We should already know it.
Sorry if I jump from subject to subject but here goes. This would have to do with initiations and I have done some research on this. spiritual guide what are they really? My opinion is they are part of a conciousness of other people. This is the concept of eternal life. I was told I had tewo guides one is male and one is female. I had my attacker do something to me and I had another female do something to me. They are my guides. They are not here to help me, I have seen to much to know. I had one person that was suppose to talk to my guide and was told that my attacker was going to pay for his black magic he was practicing this has yet to happen. That was over 6 months ago. Where are there power. The guides are to lead you to where you are to go. No they tell you what they want you to do. It's all based on the psychology and making people believe in what they want you to. I'm not sure if I'm making myself clear here. I don't believe in guides. I believe that during intitiation something is placed in you in the appearance of a guide but it's just the mind concept of another human being led to believe that they can control their enviroment. When in reality what is put in you is really controlling what is going on around you. I have seen two dark flying things from the corners of my eyes. These things have had control over my surrounds.
It's all a mind trap the ones with the real secrets won't tell you what is really happening so they can control you and other's for their means. Anyone that is envoloved in the occult is being used for someone or something elses means.
here is the mind concept that is placed upon the world you have to destroy to survive. That's not it. That's the devils control or concept.
I have posted else where about Maslow's heirarchy of self-actualization. You would think that it's your potential to become what you are. It's really an occult concept of creating the world around you but that is really controlling everyone and everything around you.
We are all being decieved by people with power, making us think that it's ok to be tormented by these people attacking us. What we are being told is not to feel what we feel and not only that don't send emeotions to our attacker like they send to us. The power is in the mind not with candles, herbs. It's the mind.
The only way to beat an attack is to be aware of it. Learn how to be free of it. There needs to be a way to clean someone of the influence, whether it's for demonology, exorcism. You can find some information that will explain what these's are. Some are known by thoughtforms, implants.
If something isn't done the people with these powers are going to take over and control us. They will have us live the way they want us to. According too their principles. I kinda find it humorous to be told that one that attacks is so much better then I am. He hasn't done what I have but yet this person is willing to do to me what he wants, not only me but others.
Take another look at everything around you, what is placed upon us. How there are heirachies in our society telling us who is more respectable and worthy then another person. It's all the concept of psychology. It's all based on the concept of Maslow, it's what our government is based on on power with money to create levels.
If you could only understand or know what I do.
Hello Criminal mind
You hit the key it is psychology but it is also the fact that no one says you have to suffer. You also mention that you are told not to send the attackers emotions back to them. I explained the reason for that because you bind and tie yourself to that person. You then make it worse. It is as simple as that and I have to ask you. Have you made a lot of headyway sending those emotions back at them? Have you or anyone else made your life better by doing so? Let us get a consensus going here.
You can leave something behind and make it where you do not have to suffer also. You can cut loose all of the anger and hate. You can then move forward in life instead of being in an eternal struggle.
I have done it and I have experienced it. I have helped out hundreds of people when they have listened to me and agreed to do the things I asked. It was not control, it was not telling them to suffer, and it was not thinking I got to boss them around.
I asked them and they did it to help themselves. They made the decisions and decided what to do. I do not control others or push them around. I do not feel I have a right to do so in any way.
I do get tired of a lot of things. The main thing is peoples misconceptions about magic and Initiation. Initiation is to travel a path to get you closer to God. It is not to get you more power or a way to control others. It is the inner transformation of yourself to the best of your ability.
Nita
Nita, please forgive me. Maybe I'm using the word magic wrong here. i'm aware that there is white magic and black magic. Most people will use the word hexed or cursed or some other word to explain attacks. Most you will find under the word magic. Maybe this is misleading to peopel. When you say not to argue with my attacker you must understand this. It's not easy to a void when your brain is being stinumaleted in places that make you feel these emotions. I can feel the energy, beam of light what ever the term is. This person knows what area of the brain to stimulate to control emotions. Not only emotions but memories. That's how they pull information out of your head. I don't know what kind of an extent people have been atatcked to but this is mine. I go against my attacker's will and now I get very heavy pressure and energy. I told my attacker I don't want to do battle with him, nothing is stopping him. I sent the i love you yesterday all day and it my have helped but today I'm paying for it. It's almost as though they are pulling you out of your body and all that exists is the mind. My attacks are not getting better they are getting worse. Nothing stops this person he things he is invincible and that he has every person into the occult on his side. He talks about going into the underground so he is protected.
What is considered a psychic attack something you can just turn off, because if that's itthen what is happening to me is more then that.
No one wants to give you answers. I said this man dragged my aura but nobody seems to know what he has done to it. I get no answers. I was once told that this man's aura surrounds mine. I even read about I believe covering a young boy's aura and then he died. I know it can happen.
I don't know what is the problem with people practicing mind control or what ever you may call it. You might find the name magic, mind controol. Dark against white, alien against human. Why is this all going on? It's like poeple with the power to harm people has gone to the bottom to being an animal but we are consider the animal because we are trying to survive the same behavior or mind thoughts our attackers are sending.
Hello Criminal Mind
I have been under psychic attack constantly because of helping others. Control over you mind is number one. The next thing is to learn ways to protect yourself that do not involve anger or negative emotions that they can play with or use to harm you.
The website here has a great many methods to help yourself. The next thing is to take your own energy back and block everything else. If you can not shield take a picture of yourself and draw a shield around it and place sacred symbols inside of the circle. Concentrate on the sacred symbols.
Religion says to ask your guardian angel to help you. You have to bring your life under control and make it so they do not have the chaotic energy to base their curses upon. The best way to do this is to bring yourself out of the chaos first.
Every time you blame this person for something and believe that they can do things you add your power to what they are doing. You stop this by not thinking of them as all powerful or able to do these things. I find thinking of a funny or gross image of them where it makes you laugh every time you think of them is good.
I suggest a Century of Spells by Draja Micharic for beginners. I suggest Robert's book. You have to set the spells up and do them consistantly. I also suggest the countermeasures article upon this website. No one needs to suffer endlessly but you can trap yourself in that cycle. You have to work upon yourself to make your life better. The best way to do this is a little bit at a time. You will be amazed at the difference when you are done.
Nita
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Hello Mick
You misunderstood me. You also do not know much about me if you think I have ever advocated abuse or any kind of suffering.
This topic started with anecdotal reports of shall we say presumed inappropriate behaviour by those in trust and/or positions of authority. There are some here who find such behaviour unacceptable and it is one of the reasons I presume for this forum.
In some forums there is a frequent ideological response that being the recipient of negative acts is valuable because it contributes to the learning experience and by tacit acceptance legitimises the negative activities as part of that process. My comment states that I do not agree with such learning methods, also I do not believe this ideology sits well with some recipients of such behaviour hence the discussion.
I think it is easy to get at cross purposes with this area of discussion. Life presents all sorts of stuff resulting from the ambiguity of multiple decisions spread across the populations, generally we deal with it and move on. However should there be one or more people who are actively involved in the exploitation or abuse of others often using the advantage of different knowledge, skills or access to such. Where to go from there, the ideology of cause and effect can seem very one sided in such situations.
In this context you said
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You are ignoring a great moment of insight by not feeling a lesson is to be learnt.
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Most people that are attacked or the attackers are people who have not learned how to live magically.
Not keen on the enforced learning by something that does not have my interest at heart :) and not keen on those not magically attuned being targets for those who should know better.
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People do have to learn. They do have lessons. They have to give up the things that trap them into the negative cycles and they have to work upon themselves. They may not have caused themselves to be where they are at but they have the choice on whether or not to stay there.
I think that people have a choice as to whether to learn and the choice as to how they learn, I am of course pro learning :) The question as to whether someone 'stays there' is complex, some may be totally unaware of the negative nature if present and how to manage it. If aware, they may not know the appropriate responses that will work for them so they come to places like this and again there is also the perps motives in the equation.
The text about new age thinking and associations paints a lurid picture. I think those statements while being true for some are not globally true for all. I assume that people coming here to this forum are smart enough to want to try and cut the situation loose :)
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Now before everyone gets mad at me because I am saying something unpopular. I am sorry for you if it hurts your feelings. It is a fact that some people are not patient with others and want to be mean because they want to have their world go the way they want it to go. The New Age healers do not want to admit that they just can not cure some things. Some things have to be done by the person themselves. They use control such as in the churches mentioned to make it so everyone agrees with them. It makes them feel better.
Enjoying every moment of life good or bad is something that breaks you loose from the cycle of complaint and negatvity that goes on in this world. Those things make your life come alive. I hope everyone takes a moment or two to think about this instead of becoming upset.
Don't know where the unpopular and upset bit comes from, as you say people behave badly with their meaness and control based activity and this is where the topic started :)
It is my experience that not everyone is in a cycle of complaint, there are groups of people that due to their associations do experience higher degrees of depression then the general populations. New Agers are in this higher grouping and do suffer higher than average suicide rates. The ideology does contain a degree of negative thinking especially WRT the rest of the world. Maybe this is where the cycle of complaint mentioned above pervades the ideology.
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I have been under psychic attack constantly because of helping others. Control over you mind is number one. The next thing is to learn ways to protect yourself that do not involve anger or negative emotions that they can play with or use to harm you.
Admiration for this activity, we also have acquired this type of baggage for the same reason. Opposing the perps in any form often results in this activity whereas acquiesing tones down the response but that is another story.
This post is a little late but here's a link
http://www.ctyme.com/bwash/bwash.htm
This article discusses some brain washing techniques used by certain church organizations. This article confirmed suspicions I had about a certain Pentacostal, "give us your money" church a friend and I went to as a joke. They used many of the techniques listed in the article. It would be funny if it wasn't so twisted. The preacher at the church I visited routinely says stuff like:"Not being generous is a sure sign of Satan". Of course they're just trying to co-erce people into giving them money. I didn't know what they were when I went there but it took a couple of days to wash the feeling off of me.
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I suggest Robert's book. You have to set the spells up and do them consistantly. I also suggest the countermeasures article upon this website. No one needs to suffer endlessly but you can trap yourself in that cycle. You have to work upon yourself to make your life better. The best way to do this is a little bit at a time. You will be amazed at the difference when you are done.
Nita
I think the advice to do a little at a time is useful especially when the overall impact appears to be overwhelming. It is a way to reclaim ones own space and life in manageable chunks. Even if applied in a timewise fashion such that periods of the day are cleaned for normal life.
I like Roberts countermeasures text, it brings people into the situation with an attitude of taking control and following through. Removing just some links where several exist will give respite and more clarity to tackle the remainder. The use of weapons is interesting, I have mentioned the visualisation of a Thermic lance which I have used to merge the sword and torch approach. The flame thrower option sounds interesting :) I do recall a conversation a while ago with a discarnate type who suggested filling connections with fire type material, I guess this can be seen as introducing a polutant :) seemed to work when I tried it.
Even if you feel physical pain during a battle, there is no choice but to continue to fight your attacker. Hit back and hit as hard as you can.
Use your inner strength and your willpower as well as your weapons and symbols.
You are ignoring a great moment of insight by not feeling a lesson is to be learnt. and
quote:Most people that are attacked or the attackers are people who have not learned how to live magically.
Not keen on the enforced learning by something that does not have my interest at heart :) and not keen on those not magically attuned being targets for those who should know better.
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People do have to learn. They do have lessons. They have to give up the things that trap them into the negative cycles and they have to work upon themselves. They may not have caused themselves to be where they are at but they have the choice on whether or not to stay there.
I think that people have a choice as to whether to learn and the choice as to how they learn, I am of course pro learning :) The question as to whether someone 'stays there' is complex, some may be totally unaware of the negative nature if present and how to manage it. If aware, they may not know the appropriate responses that will work for them so they come to places like this and again there is also the perps motives in the equation.
The text about new age thinking and associations paints a lurid picture. I think those statements while being true for some are not globally true for all. I assume that people coming here to this forum are smart enough to want to try and cut the situation loose :)
Exactly Mick. I myself do not buy into all that new age stuff. I don't
know why all this psychic evil is happening, but I certainly do not believe it's for "our own Good". Absolutely ridiculous! Also, being told that one should not feel anything negative towards what is happening to one. Apparently, someone is into control if they want to control your real feelings & emotions which are going to be there underneath anyway.
Some people are'nt negative, they are just depressed which is becoming a crime to be. Who or what wishes one to be smiling all day long. Good, if that's your nature, but if it's not, why does one have to be something one is not?[xx(][|)]
I no longer believe that every single person is on this Earth to learn some type of lesson. We are spirits who are experiencing a physical world,and that is the only reason a lot of us are here.
To be attacked by an evil spirit is not some grand new age lesson that needs to be learned nor is some karmic repurcussion from some pervious life. It is as simple as good fighting evil.
Sometimes people tend to add too much to simple circumstances.
Remeber this. Lots of new age ideas came from people who were doing trance chanelling.
I went to a trance channeling session to watch what was taking place.
The woman drifted off into trance. As I watched I could see the spirit that had taken over,and that spirit was made of black energy. It looked like the face of an evil old hag,and it was spouting all that new age nonsense.
Hello Xelios
It is as simple as good against evil. We are the only people who decide what we want in our life. We decide what we want to be and that is it. No one has to be happy all of the time but we should all enjoy and experience our lives to the fullest.
Our own actions may cause us to go through some things that are not good but we can resolve this by not repeating the mistakes. Anyone that is doing harm to others can be effected by counter measures and methods from any magic book. Anyone can fight evil in their own lives and just one day at a time make themselves have a better life.
The only times the methods do not work properly is when the person suspected is not the one doing evil to you. It is then time to just make anything to remove evil general and get rid of everything without caring who or what brought it into your life.
No one should control a person's life except their own selves and the higher forces that help them. They all allow free choice and let you be the person you want to be.
Nita
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I still stick to what I said earlier about the swastika.It is unfortunate that it is now a dark symbol. At one time it might have been a good symbol, but you take a great risk if you use it now.
A late response, been a little busy.
An aside just to clarify, the Swastika symbol comes in two versions, generally it is said that the nazi version rotates in the oposite direction from the esoteric version. Something else to bear in mind is that symbols are just that symbols.
Another aside, there is a church in Sussex in the south of England that has these symbols on the wall along with many others plus lots of fishing type netting. Presumably an image to suggest the gathering of people (or is that souls) for the church. The church steeple looked to still be intact [;)]
There are two types of symbols. Those that are made up gibberish and those that represent the energy you are trying to summon or work with.
Runes for example have great but dangerous power because the wild energy the runes represent is not something to be played with.
Symbols are the physical manifestations of the energy they represent.
If you are psychic enough you can feel the power/energy emanate from certain symbols of power,and you can tell what type of energy that symbol is manifested from.
The power builds when a symbol is worked with correctly. Then that power/energy is used to do a particular thing by use of the symbol itself.
That's about all I have to add about symbols.
The first place on my hit list is.
1. Spiritualist Churches,websites or chatrooms.
There are two types of people who go to spiritualist churches. Those who control and those who are controlled. The leaders of any spiritualist church I went to used psychic abililities to gain control and mastery over their students. The leaders of spiritualist churches will only teach you their meager amount of knowledge if they know for certain that they can control you on every level.
It is a complete waste of time to go to these spiritualist churches since their knowledge about the occult/psychic is very limited.
I have gone to these spiritualist churches and had certain things occur. The leaders would try to drain my energy. They would try to control me. I also had bad feelings or images of darkness regarding these places when I was eighteen.
They teach very dangerrous things in their classes. Such as using mirrors to see spirits. Mirrors will only open portals to negative dimensions when they are used in this manner. Spirittualists work with things they call joy children. These things sound like children laughing,but they are really minor demons who can mimic voice sounds.
I have also had spiritualists dump their cr@p into my aura while they took my good stuff while I was at a spiritualist chatroom.
They also promote the use of ouija boards,and ouija boards only open portals to very negative dimensions.
2. New Age
The main reason I say new age classes are not that great is because you don't really know the person who is teaching. I have walked into new age clasess where the "teacher" knew as little as I did at the time.
Besides New Age Shamanism is a watered down version of real shamanism.
A new age shaman will have 1/1000th the power of a real traitional shaman.
I have known of satanists who use the new age movement to teach chanelling.
I was going to take an astral projection new age class. The teacher was going to use hypnosis to help us to ap,but as I drove to the big city time started to speed up,and other things slowed me down, so I never made it to the class. My guardians stopped me from taking that class. That in and of itself speaks volumes about the new age movment.
The best ways to learn is to ap or go into a genuine trance state like how Robert Bruce teaches. These are the types of trances shamans and wise women went into to gain occult knowledge.
I do not mean trance channeling when I talk about trance.