Reading RB's Practical psychic self-defense

[Eol007]

Thanks for sharing your enthusiasm.

Stephen []

[narfellus]

Mathias, i don't think the info about negs has been so much toned down rather than just inadequately researched and explored. Our world prefers NOT to think of the supernatural because it frightens them. They are content to endure their fears and frustrations rather than seek methods to overcome them. I agree that it is a fantastic book, easier to read than Astral Dynamics, and one can see how the tendrils of negative beings can affect your everyday life, from simple anger outbursts to harmful thoughts and projections. Knowing what and why and how your thoughts affect those around you is a tremendous tool to influence our reality.

[Mathias Jonsson]

I agree that the subject has'nt been fully explored, but I do know that there are magical orders who have extensive info. on the neg-type phenomena.
One being the order AURUM SOLIS (I study their system), they call it "kappa phenomena" (see Denning & Philips' book MYSTERIA MAGICA, also their book THE SWORD AND THE SERPENT present a case history of a woman who was attacked by a negative being.

However in Denning & Philips' book PSYCHIC SELF-DEFENSE & WELL-BEING, they say that these "astral vampires are elemental forces", which I don't really agree with. Negs are not elementals in the same manner as undines, etc.
I don't want to appear "esoterically conspirational paranoid", but to me, Robert's book is truly groundbreaking, signifying that the human race has reached a new level of consciousness when we are able to deal with these "hard truths".

[Mystic Cloud]

Elemental forces?!? lol what a joke []

Maybe he tried to say that the vampires
are 'natural' forces. Like astral wildlife.

The problem with the neg issue is that many go all
paranoid about it and whenever they get a 'bad' feeling
they think it is a neg. This way you can again surpress
your darker side of emotions which will later on bring
you even more trouble.

I guess the best way is to just be an observer of everything
that happens. Be a tube where you let the emotions flow through
you without attaching yourself to them.

[Mathias Jonsson]

In the book, PSYCHIC SELF-DEFENSE & WELL-BEING, D&P state that there are elementals that vampirize humans that indulge in obsessive fantasies, they are drawn to this energy and starts attaching to the person. I'm not discrediting D&P, they are very renowned in the occult field and they have written brilliant books on magick, but not calling things by it's proper name is not  a very helpful remedy.One shouldn't scare people to become paranoid, but it is better to say it's negs if it is. Also strengthening the aura is very helpful, but it isn't helpful enough.
To me for fighting negs you have to:
-perform banishing rituals regularly and other aura strengthening exercises. However i id wise not to start doing MPR and similar techniques as these can make the attacks worse.
-do self-analysis: observe your own thoughts and thought patterns
-pray and read psalms
-read poetrry and listen to classical music and watch great classical art
-meditate on high ideals, such as if you obess about sex, mediate on selfless love and compassion.

[Parmenion]

Greetings,

Further to Mathias' reccomendation I would like to suggest that everyone who does Not have Neg problems read this book. I bought a copy of it when in Wales and I was surprised to find out how my own life situation has been affected by unseen influences.

Even if you imagine yourself to be Neg free, reading this book may shine some light on places within that would rather stay in the dark.

Ignorance is not bliss

With best regards,

Dave

[Nick]

For some reason I haven't read Robert's book on Psychic Self Defense. It's been sitting on my shelf for quite some time, and I'm always reading. I think I've been avoiding it because I felt it would get me worked up about things that I didn't want to think about.

However, after reading what was said here in this thread, I think I'll go ahead and read it.

By the way, it's good seeing you again Parmenion. It's been a while, and I hope you visit more often. Your words have always been valuable and most thoughtful. []


All the best,
Nick

[Mick]

quote:Originally posted by Mystic Cloud

I guess the best way is to just be an observer of everything
that happens. Be a tube where you let the emotions flow through
you without attaching yourself to them.

I think this is very sound thinking, observation is probably our most powerful tool, to do otherwise could be considerd a self imposed blindness. The emotion bit is also important, to maintain clarity of observation often requires the emotions to be kept in neutral in order to avoid false colouring and so on.

[Parmenion]

Hi Nick,

Thank you for the kind words

I know what you mean about avoiding reading PPSD. Astral Dynamics is one of the best books I have ever read and when one comes across a little gem like that, you would think that the author's only other published book would be devoured with as much enthusiasm. However, although I would order an average of one/two books per week from Amazon.com over many months, I always avoided purchasing PPSD. I believe that I was under the impression that what you dont know can't hurt you or what I jokinging call "The Ostrich Syndrome".

It was not untill I attended Roberts first workshop in Wales that I decided to get and read the book. I was inspired to not only by the words and presence of Robert but also by talking to some of the genuinely lovely people who also attended, and listening to their stories. Whereas beforehand I thought that the only people who would have Neg interferance were those with a particularly difficult life situation or those whose psychological make-up was that which invited trouble, now I could see that 'normal' (whatever that means []) people had benifitted from educating themselves in this area.

I believe you will certainly enjoy reading PPSD if even just for the stories related by Robert Bruce. Good reading and please do let us know what you think afterwards

With best regards,

Dave

[Parmenion]

Hi Mick.

I agree with what you say about observation. It has been said that the state in which we have the planet today can be entirely attributed to humankind's extraordinary ability to not see what is in front of it's face.

With best regards,

Dave

[Rob]

Tis indeed a great, groundbreaking book - though a little on the scary side! []

On the issue of elementals - some elementals could be called negs, but not all negs are elementals IMO.
I love elementals on the whole.....air and water and forest! If you get to know and appreciate them they can be very kind.

Rob

[Mathias Jonsson]

Denning & philips in their book make a point that there are elementals who vampirize humans unknowingly as they are drawn to an obsessive individual. Though this may be valid for some cases, most astral vampires (negs) do indeed know what they are doing, being conscios astral predators feeding on certain energies (mental, sexual etc.).
However, in their excellent book MYSTERIA MAGICA, the problem of negs is labelled (in the AURUM SOLIS sytem) under the category Kappa phenomena - "forces of spritiual evil that has found a channel of manifestation of such grossness that they directly impinge on the material plane".

What I would like to see the problem of negs is from a purely Qabalistic view; are there ways to discern if there are certain paths of the tree of life which is involved, and if so are there ways of regaining balance, harmonizing them, such as via pathworking meditations or combining pathworking with RB's methods??.

Also can negs be categorized under the Qlipphotic classifications given ??
Succubi for instance is often related to the path of Daleth (The Empress).
Also evidence (as RB states in his book) has proven that negs do re-act to hebrew power-names.

I've also found that Enochian functions equally well, for instance the Enochian word for God IAD (pronounced EE-AHH-DEEHH) do effect negs (weakening them).
Enochian (the language of the complez magickal system discovered by the Renaissnace scholar and occultist John Dee &  the seer Edward Kelley, and popularized by Crowley and others). It is indeed very powerful.
So there are definitely more occult research to be done in finding ways of utilizing magickal methods in restraining negs.

[narfellus]

quote:Originally posted by Nick

For some reason I haven't read Robert's book on Psychic Self Defense. It's been sitting on my shelf for quite some time, and I'm always reading. I think I've been avoiding it because I felt it would get me worked up about things that I didn't want to think about.

However, after reading what was said here in this thread, I think I'll go ahead and read it.

By the way, it's good seeing you again Parmenion. It's been a while, and I hope you visit more often. Your words have always been valuable and most thoughtful. []

All the best,
Nick

Bruce's PSD can really frighten someone if they pick it up and absorb it like a sponge. It brings to light dark fears that people prefer not to think about, but for me, here is why i wasn't frightened or upset:
These negative entites are allowed by God to influence mankind everyday. It is part of our lesson and growth process, and in some respect it is part of the lesson for the negative entities (such as lost souls who are off the path).

This is simply how God's wonderful universe works, and it was enlightening to me to see it spelled out so clearly. We already know evil is out there, and understanding the ins and outs of its nature completely deflated the fear. It took away the mystery. It popped the bubble of incomprehension. It helped me to look at the universe in a new light of completely explainable and understandable phenomena, rather than night shadows and things that go bump in the dark, as most people perceive them.

So i suggest reading it with an open mind. There is SO much to learn, and the knowledge used in the correct light will only serve you in the long run, and not frighten you unless you allow it to.

[Mick]

quote:Originally posted by Parmenion

I agree with what you say about observation. It has been said that the state in which we have the planet today can be entirely attributed to humankind's extraordinary ability to not see what is in front of it's face.

Although the 'lens' can be a little strange at times. Another mantra that I fall back on at times is that not every observation needs an immediate explanation.

[Nick]

This has been a good thread, and very helpful to me. Also, I do appreciate what everyone has had to say, and narfellus, I completely agree with your remarks. [^]

The book is a great read! I'm almost half way into the text now, and am learning a good deal. Robert has a way of breaking things down to very understandable components. Like Astral Dynamics, this book will remain a reference guide for repeated use.

[Mathias Jonsson]

Hello!

I've recently bought Robert's book PRACTICAL PSYCHIC SELF-DEFENSE and I've been rapidly reading it.The book is absolutely brilliant!!!
I want to recommend all here who have neg problems to buy it. presenting a lot of excellent advice on handling these problems it does what all other psychic self-defense books haven't done before: calling things by it's real name.
Former occultists, in my opinion, seem to have refused to spell out what negs are and what they do (as surely the occult lodges obviously have lots of info. on them).
I believe that a lot of people suffer from negs, and what is essential is education and research into this problem and the nature of these beings. I don't know why the knowledge of negs have been so covered up or toned down as mild paranormal disturbances when evidence show that they intrude so often.
The discussions made here at this forum are also very valuable additions to the book, and hopefully in the future the knowledge of negs will be advanced even further.

Again, buy the book if you have neg problems you wont regret it!!