Robert Bruce's Possession

[Tayesin]

Hi Kaili,
Thank you for sharing your experiences.

How is it that your experiences are to be judged differently to mine ?

You say I am brain-washed...  who is to say it is not you who are ?

Your experience versus mine, that is all it is.

Your's is real to you, as is mine.

So why are we arguing the point ?  Still ?

Tay

[daem0n]

pml
please leave dogma

Tay
could you possibly take into account other side of the experience
this way you have two incomplete halves, that do not communicate
(kaili, this is also your case)
unless you want to disagree for another 2 pages
also if you would be careful with choosing your words, they diminish your point

any entity that doesn't treat you as equal and honor your form and truth, regardless of your level of awareness, is "false" and lost, the same with people

kaili
no (or too much) struggle, no evolution
command your dream, they have no right, you have the keys
intend (will) to retrieve all power of non-physical back to physical, to your form, they were never allowed to weave our dream

[pmlonline]

pml
please leave dogma

Dear demon,

Why?  Usually those are the worlds of the beast within.  The east has referred to it as one's self demons.  Would you have people believe in nothing but the illusionary experiences created by an undeveloped astral / desire body?  That leaves to self illusion.  I respect the selfless work done by 1000's of liberated ones before me.  I will not ignore it.  Yes I would agree that many of the works have been destroyed by humanity.  The Bible in its current state of 66 books is such a work.  Presently only the higher & divine self can correctly interpret the Bible.  Although I do not get my information from the Bible.

[Tayesin]

Dogma is an interesting word isn't it ?  

Dogma :- beliefs, to be accepted as true without question.

Dogmatic :- Giving of opinions as if they were dogma, especially in an arrogant way.

(Oxford Student Dictionary)

It's really a mirror !!

[pmlonline]

Dogma is an interesting word isn't it ?  

Dogma :- beliefs, to be accepted as true without question.

Dogmatic :- Giving of opinions as if they were dogma, especially in an arrogant way.

(Oxford Student Dictionary)

It's really a mirror !!

Dear Tayesin,

Did you truly quote for us the entire Oxford Student Dictionary definitions?  *If* not, then you might want to ask yourself why you do these things.

Here's the entire definitions list from the American Heritage Dictionary:
1.   A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church.
2.   An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true. See Synonyms at doctrine.
3.   A principle or belief or a group of them: "The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present" (Abraham Lincoln).
The 3rd "A principle or belief or a group of them" is a principle of belief.  It is called truth seeking.

[Tayesin]

Hi Paul,
It's such an interesting topic, that of Dogma.  

I posted it because daem0n has a valid point, and those who are stuck in Dogma do not see it for what it is.

As an aside Paul, since I've been posting at AP, I've noticed that there is a perceptional difference between Americans and most other people.  This makes for a whole lot of misunderstanding in communications and what is actually meant by people.

Point in question, the differences between the meaning presented by your US produced dictionary and the Oxford which has been a standard for English speaking countries for so very long.   We are using the English language.

So the meanings I posted are different in perception to the one's you posted.

Yours is posted to intend "Authority", and so support your Opinions to readers as having to be the 'correct' ones.

Whereas, the meanings I posted show it to be a case of what it really is...

And here I will leave this.

Good luck.

[pmlonline]

It's such an interesting topic, that of Dogma.

Yes, there is no single definition.  Again, could you please quote all of the definitions from the Oxford dictionary?  There is usually more than one definition.  I found three definitions in the American Heritage Dictionary.  Thanks.

I posted it because daem0n has a valid point, and those who are stuck in Dogma do not see it for what it is.

What do you consider dogma?  If someone believes in the teachings of say Christ, then you consider that person stuck on dogma?  No offense, but often you make statements about people and seem to enjoy making personal statements without any evidence.

As an aside Paul, since I've been posting at AP, I've noticed that there is a perceptional difference between Americans and most other people.

Yes, Americans find it interesting that people of other countries enjoy picking at us.  It's OK, we understand.  Some people believe in Karma and some believe in luck.  Perhaps our country, America, just got lucky, or perhaps we did something good.  You reap what you sew.

Yours is posted to intend "Authority", and so support your Opinions to readers as having to be the 'correct' ones.  Whereas, the meanings I posted show it to be a case of what it really is...

No comment.  You desire personal statements toward others way too much for my taste.  Most of our discussions usually lead to personal things.  Yet I ask you time after time to leave personal statements out of the discussion.

Again Tayesin, I use the 3rd definition of dogma, "A principle or belief or a group of them."  I do not follow any authority of the church as stated by some definitions of dogma.  Although I have no issue with authority.  The authority I follow is of the Christ.  Christ is not a fictitious person.  This being is at present the highest developed being of the Archangel kingdom.


On the topic of this thread, possession ... can anyone see cloaked beings?  I find it interesting and still to date cannot understand why the fallen angelic kingdom has an issue with authority.  Yet again, there seems to be disagreement with sides as to who are the fallen angels.  As stated in the Bible, one third of the angels fell.  A few years ago I heard a fallen angel that was cloaked as an ascended master say that two thirds of the angels fell.  Notice this master said "Two thirds" which is the opposite of what the Bible says.

[Tayesin]

LOL I needed reminding again.

I had forgotten the last lesson in the hustle and bustle of recent weeks.

Thanks


Be well.

[pmlonline]

Again, could you please quote all of the definitions from the Oxford dictionary?  There is usually more than one definition.  I found three definitions in the American Heritage Dictionary.  Thanks.

[Anonymous]

On the topic of this thread, possession ... can anyone see cloaked beings?

I had an image of one projected to me once--he looked like the grim reaper.  Only it was more of a cartoon grim reaper (anyone who has played the "Sims" has seen the exact image I saw).  Maybe it was supposed to scare me but I burst out laughing.  Perhaps these Cloaked Beings are where the story of the grim reaper comes.

Yet again, there seems to be disagreement with sides as to who are the fallen angels. As stated in the Bible, one third of the angels fell. A few years ago I heard a fallen angel that was cloaked as an ascended master say that two thirds of the angels fell.

That should have been your first clue..."cloaked as an ascended master".   I wouldn't trust any cloaked Being.

I've noticed that whenver a face was shadowed, or I couldn't see a Beings eyes, I could not trust them.  Either because they weren't who they were pretending to be (Spirit can assume any form), or because it was a hologram.  That has been consistent in my experience.  No eyes, no face, no trust.  And if you do see the eyes, and they are very dark, black, like emptiness, I couldn't trust them either.  These are souless Beings.

I have seen other Beings who have both the light and the dark, like us--Mixed Beings.  I call them Divine eyes, because at first you are awed, overwhelmed by the unworldly love and compassion that they can emanate.  And then you see the shadow behind the eyes.   I have never seen or experienced a pure light being in the astral, and because of my experiences, I believe that these beigns are ALL projections.  All souled beings would be Mixed Beings, unless they discarded all their souled experience of life.  

My three or four cents.

[pmlonline]

That should have been your first clue..."cloaked as an ascended master".   I wouldn't trust any cloaked Being.

Lol, no, I don't mean cloaked as in a cape.  Rather, cloaked as in hiding their true identity.  May be it's that darn American Heritage dictionary.  What I mean is that a lot of fallen angels have the ability to appear as something else such as an ascended master or alien, etc.  Since they're one kingdom ahead of us, at least in experience, they are far more powerful and can deceive OBE / projectors into appearing as they wish.  Although they cannot deceive one whose bodies are developed.

[phoenix006]

Wow. What happens to all the people who can't deal with possession?

Suicide, Prison or Insane Asylums.

There are alternatives, medications, counseling and a willingness to go to therapy can and does stop some possession cases. But not all, some daemons can really overwhelm a person's will and hospitalization does become the option of choice.

I've had some very scary experiences in my lifetime, once with a devil that just would not go away, i found myself hitting myself constantly, nearly walking out onto the highway and nearly committing suicide. The devil in me took quite a while to banish with both holistic healing and conventional medicine.  I can still remember the daemon saying to me " i am not that easy to banish" well devil, you are at least contained within me if not banished. I have not had any symptoms for 9 months since the neg attack.

-Phoenix

-Phoenix006

[Anonymous]

Hi Phoenix

What meds do you take, and how long have you taken them?  Do you still take them?  What kind of therapy, and how long?

I take very small doses of clonapin, a sleep aid, anti-anxiety, anti-seizure medicine and this helps tremendously.  Without it I am dealing with a hyper brain, that becomes hyper through constant projections, both asleep and awake.  And of course, the anxiety, restlenssness that would accompany this kind of activity.  It doesn't stop it completely, however.

I find it interesting, that I was encouraged to fall apart by the negs, to be hospitalized, given therapy, take drugs, etc.  My intuition told me this was not the thing to do--and it was so overwhelmingly against this, that I had no doubt that's the path I would take.  Although I did go to both a psychiatrist and a therapist several times, if only to assure myself that I was sane, that it was not only a chemical imabalance.  Once given this confirmation, I have not second guessed my gut instincts anymore.  

If you are a person of faith, it would be very easy to assume this was all meant to happen so that you would go on these meds that you need and get the therapy that you might benefit from.  However, if you are NOT a person of faith such as myself (did not grow up with the thought that God/Jesus/Mohammed, Mothman, whoever, knows best), then it becomes easy to see that if meds and therapy were the goal, then much kinder, saner, compassionate alternatives could have gotten you there.  

But I agree, that some cases of possession could be chemical imbalances that can be helped through meds.  I am sure you know however, that there are different causes of possession.  

Thanks for sharing your experience, just wanted more details.

[G3MM4]

I've noticed that whenver a face was shadowed, or I couldn't see a Beings eyes, I could not trust them. Either because they weren't who they were pretending to be (Spirit can assume any form), or because it was a hologram. That has been consistent in my experience. No eyes, no face, no trust. And if you do see the eyes, and they are very dark, black, like emptiness, I couldn't trust them either. These are souless Beings.

I always say that it's far better to trust what you feel coming from them rather than what you can or cannot see. Appearances can be deceptive. That's why I never trust what I see, especially when it comes to all kinds of spiritual matters.