International Vanquish Demon Month!

[Eol007]

Appreciate you are having a wee laugh (ho ho).

Personally I believe that man can be and has been a greater demon incarnate than any creature of wildest imagination, and in turn humankind has opportunity to shine greater than any god!

I noticed recently a few thought's that YOU in particular might consider! They were channelled by Dion Fortune and can be found in the book 'The Cosmic Doctrine': –

'... you only oppose evil when you wish to do constructive work – when you wish to make something new. You never oppose the evil when you wish to destroy. You make a vacuum round it. You prevent opposition from touching it...'!

Have fun but perhaps think before you leap as it were,


Stephen []

P.S. Allow me to give you an example: I was out for a meal with my father and a lady friend of his several years ago in Belfast, N Ireland. The subject of criminal justice came up - as it is something close to home, considering the troubled nature of the people of Ulster. For many years I came from the position that all perpetrators of extreme violence of a sectarian nature should be locked up on some remote Island and the keys thrown away until doomsday and well beyond!

Howevr I met with quite enlightened resistance to my conditioned view point – where both my dad and the lady posed another scenario: namely in two forms 1) a need for criminal justice review and 2) the question of rehabilitation of offenders.

In other words I needed to gain a little understanding of the fact that the system had become blinkered to the real issues at hand! These issues in Ireland as an example have for some several hundred yrs tended to self perpetrate: through generation to generation in the form of sectarian division, hatred and continued acts of vengeful violence.

What seemed apparent: was no matter how evil terrorists appear to be i.e. as perceived via their actions, however horrific - one needs to realise that they themselves are in fact also victims. In light of this there is a need for support originations to help heal and readjust often institutionalised beings into a society that is as alien to them as would be ET beaming down into Leicester Square on a Saturday afternoon. These people, as with many the world over need to be seen in a new light if REAL change is to come about here!!!

Those are the sort of demons I faced and vanquished in my former myopia!!!

Just a thought,


S []

[Sentential]

Well, it all depends on *how* you want to slay demons. Just like cats, there is more than one way to skin a demon[]. Personally, it all depends on what energy type you are comfortable with.

The best / most common way to slay demons is (pos vs. neg energy). Basically the "blinding light" method. In other words, the more positive you become, the weaker it does. Mostly this method scares em off and does not destroy them.

My method (dont ask), is neg vs. neg. Now *THIS* is dangerous, ie dont try this at home kids. I can safely swap between positive and neg energy, so Im ok. Neg energy is quite corrosive, and downright dangerous.

Anyhoo, if ur using neg energy, basically blow it out of existence by sheer will, or by a focused attack. I generally use focused PSI / Chi <whatever> blasts at my target. Or if they are being a tricky little bugger, I use positive energy to encase / seal them, then follow up <with my other hand> with a PSI blast.

The key to demon slaying is isolation. If you can learn to isolate energy types, you can slay demons. Simply because slaying them is essentially isolating them <in terms of how it feels>.

Keep in mind tho... I dont go looking for trouble, trouble finds me[xx(]

[Moonburn33]

or.

you could rehabilitate them

nothing would make me happier than to help an entity out and cause some real happiness in its life.

[SmileySpirit14]

It depends on where the demon is...
if its in me i locate it by looking at my astral body or see where there is an energy blockage in any chakras. if there is, create a wall around it a trap it so it cant move.....then gather up all the energy i have and turn it bright yellow and really hot, like the suns rays. then fry the demon to ashes. pretty simple.

if its in another person, i tell them this method (more detailed) and they do it themselves bcuz u should never try to rid a person of a demon; theres a big chance u could hurt the person whos possesed.

[Kerrblur]

Awesome ideas, EOL007, that is a awesome way of explaining things! thats exactly what I am kinda saying on the thread about a 'Demon War'. Well I hope I am understanding you right.

Moonburn33- you were reading my mind []  I was thinking that same idea, but does it vanquish the demon, with the persistent healing, and positive energy giving? or does it just keep the demon away from you?

What if you are trying to vanquish a demon that was possessing someone else? lets say you use positive energy like healing on the demon thats possessing that person, can you (anyone answer me if you wanna) vanquish him with out harming the person like smilelyspirit thinks?

Maybe Sentential can explain more on his concept, cause it kinda involves this.

[Mustardseed]

With all due respect....IMO you do not know what you are talking about. Most likely none of you have ever encountered a evil Spirit much less a Demon. Believe me you take this too lightly.
Regards Mustardseed

[Sentential]

Im *very* sorry. Although I may be an "old soul". I am quite new in this life. I really cannot quantify it any better then what Im going to say. Its like walking, it cannot be taught and frankly I dont know how to teach it... it only just feels right.

Killing a demons revolves around isolation. Every method you can use involves this. The best way to train and prepare them it to <feeling my guide kicking in... bear with me> learn to isolate energy in you body into either a ball or a charge of some sorts. Try to manupulaite it thru your body or out in space, like how you would project your astral appendages for PK or remoteviewing etc.

Once you can master what you already know then you can try forign bodies... ie demons. From there its up to you. Basically become the pupeteer and send it to whichever direction you want. Demons are fundamentally weakminded. Psionic attacks are quite effective. EIther by using negitive or poitive energy to conrtol them

Once under your control either banish them , isolate them, kill them, or force them out of this plane. The choice is yours. unfortunatly demons are quite difficult to rehibilate them. That takes far too much time and energy to be effective at the moment.

However I must caution demons are not to be taken lightly. They are the masters of deception and kill using those methods. They may try to lure you into attacking them, only leaving yourself open to a counter attack. Any evil spirit and especially demons MUST be treated wit hthe upmost caution. One mis-step could have catastrophic results.

"As the best advice is to aviod them. No sense in taking out a tank with a pitchfork" <--- Thats the way he puts it

[Eol007]

quote: With all due respect....IMO you do not know what you are talking about. Most likely none of you have ever encountered a evil Spirit much less a Demon. Believe me you take this too lightly.

Respect in return on my part. Incidentally I have seen and experienced manifest evil in more ways than most people can imagine, believe you me! I simply have trust in the potential of good and creation of harmony and peace rather than tackle evil by the horns - I leave that to those who will!

What I would be interested in - as obviously you take this issue to heart, is what you REALLY have to say on this matter?

I am sure you have a very constructive approach to put forward and I for one would value your expert opinion!

Kind wishes,


Stephen

[James S]

There's a couple of gormet sandwich bars near where I used to work close to the centre of Melbourne that offered sandwiches with combinations of fillings so utterly evil, that I think if you were to shove them down the throat of even the vilest most powerful and evil demon, it'd end up curled up in a little ball crying like a baby, or running away with it's tail between its legs quicker than you can say "thats what kind of salad dressing?"

[]
James.

[Eol007]

James, Nice one []

[Kerrblur]

- How does a demon poessess someone?

- and how do you know that it is a demon? what precautions do you take to know this as a fact.

- MustardSeed, what is it that you can say about vanquishing a demon?  Like what requirements are needed in order to vanquish a demon or vanquish a demon thats attached on to someone?  Is it possible for them to actually speak through them like channeling? lol sorry, soo many questions. anyone answer! important. lol

SmilelySpirit might be able to help throw in some words, she knows who this is.  there is this girl which I know on msn messanger, vaguely. She is into energy practices ect all this spiritual practice probably. I start meeting these other people that she talks to often and I find out that she is possessed by a demon . People are hating on me because of my dis- beliefs and disgust with everyone defending a demon war theory, talking up a demon like I am scared.  I was also threatened that they'd summon this demon, lance.

These people have so much trust in this demon that nothing can stop him, defeat him, or come close to his 'power'. they call him their Friend. Well, 3 blind threats later, I saw this girl online, ask who this was, and she/he went I am ... Demon something.

I challenged him, He attacked after awhile. attacking him did absolutely nothing, guessing he was liking the aggressive energy I was putting into it.  Then I threatened to heal him, and he got reel ticked, worried and scared, and pleaded, even said the girl didnt want him to leave.  Smilely might be able to explain more.

O Yes, Anyone who wants the Screen Name for this person on MSN, feel free to get ahold of Me. I think this demon should be our first test subject of the month. []

mine is Kerrblur(aikido999@hotmail.com)

[beavis]

I've also talked to some of smileyspirit's and kerrblur's friends. They say this lance is a real bastard and has possessed one of their friends.

I am afraid of no demons!!! I'll fight anything that attacks me and win.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12205

[Kerrblur]

Yes, I failed to forget to say that while I was saying I was going to heal him, People were yelling at me commanding me to stop be because this girl has claimed she wanted the demon in her.  hmmm what is it that you can do in this situation then?

Can one vanquish a demon thats possessing a person by the host's permission?  

What happens if you try?

What is it you can do?

Demons, entities ect, cannot harm you if you do not except there existence can they?  But in this case I am, but refuse to be harmed by anything negative.

Does throwing positive energy harm him only? or vanquish him?

[Sentential]

Hmmm seeing that I am the only one who has been possessed I will share:

Yes... you are correct, demons need a semi-willing host. HOWEVER... they can take you by force. All that is required is a weakened mind.... (drugs can do the same thing and allow for possession)

Can one vanquish a demon thats possessing a person by the host's permission?
^^Yes... but it takes alot of FORCE to do it

What happens if you try?
^^You could potentially kill them if the soul is not prepared to resume conrtol again

What is it you can do?
^^ Either wade it out, or hope for the best

Demons, entities ect, cannot harm you if you do not except there existence can they?
^^BS... I didnt belive in negs *until* I was attacked. They can do so without warning

Does throwing positive energy harm him only? or vanquish him?
^^YES... positive energy hurts them alot.. up to a point. There is a small window when they are very volunerable. The sooner you begin the excorsim the higher the success rate.

However... pure neg energy is far more effective than positive.


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If you want a dead demon... lemme at em. Im a bit rusty and am in need of "target practice"[}:)]

Who are these demonoligists you spoke to? I probly know more about the dark arts then they do... and I *ONLY* follow the light. You got an MSN messenger that you could set up. I would by honored to show them a thing on the their exploits they think they are enjoying. No one should EVER threaten to use a neg against someone...cuz they might meet / tinkle off someone worse.

[Mustardseed]

Well....ok then. I guess I could try to explain my point a bit better. Most of you here on the thread seem to be younger and no offence maybe not as seasoned in "life" as some of us old fogies. While youth has its advantage in strenght and courage, age has its force in wisdom and lessons learned. I think most of you are a pretty reasonable bunch so while I would like to add my own experiences to the thread please note, that I am not really interested in any agression or hostility. I have no problem with you not agreeing, but let us reason together and maybe you could just consider my points as advice, to use or disregard at your own discresion.

As we all know Demon is a buzz word. It covers a wide variety of entities. They do not call each other demons but rather its a title we give them. This seem to be based on the Chistian concept of Angels in rebellion and so forth. It would therefor be important to define Demon. My comments above were based on this statement. RB also covers this in his book. From what I have experienced, talking to a few of them and seeing them at work, a true demon was never human, it never inhabited a physical body. It is a creation as such cannot be destroyed by man. This theory takes root in and is in alignment with Christianity (not to be confused with Churchanity[]). No one except God can destroy a Demon. However one can banish a Demon from this dimension. One can also bind a Demon in certain place and get a "restraining order" so to speak, banishing it from certain places and people. Lesser evil spirits are also subject to the same powers and limitations, with some small differences.

If a human comes near certain "places" inhabited by evil spirits (Demons etc) without having a very good reason to they subject themselves to these powers. These places are sometimes physical places and at other times certain activities, or attitudes. Someone mentioned drugs and that is an obvious one but other attitudes such as rebellion, extreme pride and bitterness are also ripe ground and "thins out the veil", making Demonic influence possible. The list though extensive is mostly on the baser side of life excess etc so as I always say....be safe stay in the sunshine!!

What it is that actually Banishes a Demon or evil Spirit is in my understanding sheer force, will power or energy. However HUMAN force is very limited. RBs chapter on Passive counter meassures brilliantly explains an often ignored but very affective avenue, and a very very safe one at that, but according to Christianity, not even the Arc Angel had power over a Demon entity called "the Demon Prince of Persia, but had to wrestle with him for a "period of time" . Mostly the Angels use Gods power and seem to be skilled in using the Name of God in a way more effective way than we do. For those interested I could include a string of scriptures to verify this as Christian Doctrine, but I will refrain out of respect to the ones of you who are not Christians. If anyone is interested I could post them later.

The reason we Christian who accept the Spiritual battle are so effective in exorsisms is that we have a lot of Faith as opposed to fear, and believe that we have power over all evil Spirits. Not all Christians have this power as RB also explained. Just being a Christian does not mean that you automatically have power to do exorsism etc On the contrary some of the people I have experienced having the most trouble in Banishments were new Christians, who deluded through Pride and misguided teachings by various Fundies, believed that Christianity gave them power like Jesus, but had no understanding of the Spiritual Principles at work. This is very dangerous stuf. Just becourse you buy a 45 ft sailboat and start to call yourself a Captain, it does not mean that you can set forth and cross a ocean and call yourself a Sailor.....you catch my drift[]

As far as banishing a Demon that is enjoying and cohabitating with a human host, you would be better off leaving that person alone. If it is a unwilling victim, and these are rare, as most derive something from their "pet", the cahnces are better. Mostly true demonic influence is not changed over night but is a result of "starving" it out, denying it sustenance by rejecting the compulsion it is trying to feed you. This is a very effective way as well, but requires much more from friends and helpers. Mostly a period of 3 days is minimum, but it can become a prolonged battle, as they are pretty good at holding on.

Many lesser Spirits pretend to be Demons, and it seems that this might be a mecanism to induce fear in the victim. More fear strenghtens the attachments etc. These are easilier gotten rid off.

Well that was a little bit I hope it explained my warning a bit better and that it is a help to someone.

Yours

Mustardseed

[narfellus]

That was wonderful Mustardseed, thank you. You took a lot of concepts and explained them nicely. One question i have: what are the infamous NAMED demons of Christian and mythological lore. I've wondered if there are very few actual "leaders" that just change names over the aeons. Do you know? Knowing the enemy is the best way to defeat them.

[Mustardseed]

Well ...again I am not explaining this from a textbook point of view, these are my own findings. It seems that certain demons are banded together and under the rule of a stronger demon. Wether this demon is able to actually "copy" himself, as RB theorises (I think this is very possible) or wether the demon takes or is given rule over minor demons and is imparting his image, seems to be a moot point. It is important to know the demon by name but if it is not possible to know the name they can be adressed in 3 person or by the nature of the power they seem to be connected to. This could be say commanding a demon of Pride, bitterness or whatever, or one could address them, as "I command you who is tormenting (name) through ......." etc. The most important point is that the one doing the exorsism must take authority and talk straight to the entity itself, and this can be very difficult. If succesfull the person with the problem, will often start talking in very cryptic ways, and make faces they often fart or burp belch etc. I would as I said before be very very careful attempting a exorsism with an unwilling victim. Actually the thread is starting to turn off a bit to exorsism but maybe that is ok. Lola thanks for the link ..very interesting things there.

Regards Mustardseed

[narfellus]

The Lesser Key of Solomon speaks of King Solomon binding dozens of demons to his will for later use. I looked through the links, but it seems mainly to be a compilation of names, titles and conjecture. Hmm. I suppose what i am looking for is a more modern and spiritual explanation that can be traced logically back through the centuries. And the website seemed to state that King Solomon was not alive at the time when certain words and references were made in the book, which puts a slight spin on its validity and relevance, not to say it is not a true grimoire. I've often thought that if you get enough people to believe something, that thing can be very true.

[Kerrblur]

International Vanquish Demon Month!

    Okay, I am going to keep this short as possible.  It is officially, "Vanquish Demon Month"!! What? You havnt heard of this holiday?  Well you have now lol.  This is a Urgent request for the administrator, moderator's, and any member on this blessed site, to state your best way to Vanquish Demons!  If you got some scriptures that you know of that you can spend some time sharing on this thread, throw it on here!  Nothing is wrong in this thread.  

The special thing about doing this is that through the participation of everyone here we can discuss and learn from eachother's techniques and ways of vanquishing demons, rather it be a Demon possessing someone, or a Demon in the area.

So, I hope everyone here just throws in alittle of there time, and gives alittle technique here, ritual there, scripture throwing too!
Anything to help me, help others understand what to do, and discussions about eachothers vanquishing experience, the ultimate tool the demon's dont like, and hate the most!

Thank You very much for anyones' help in this.