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I shall be on the side of the demons thank you.
Jessica.
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Originally posted by Clow
O.k. don't turn this post into a public tinkling contest otherwise you will end up covered in tinkle(quoted).
It seems now that we are drawing closer to the final pole shift. More and more people are willing to accept that "judgement day" is going to happen. I don't believe that anything is fated. However this will happen. When it does there is either future or dispair for the human race. The prophecy says it will happen. The bible even hints that it will. I am no longer christian for I don't believe that a place such as heaven could exist. There can't be place where only order prevales we need some type of chaos.
Anyway back to subject. I want to warn anyone who does not yet believe that the war will happen. To atleast prepare yourselves for something like it.
I really don't care if this turns into a debate. It might give people a chance to prove me wrong.
Did anyone else hear Aaron's interview with art bell last night? I thought it was pretty interesting to say the least..
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Originally posted by Logic
Did anyone else hear Aaron's interview with art bell last night? I thought it was pretty interesting to say the least..
yes I did. Though I disagree with a bit of his eugenics theories. I have a freind who is studying to be a doctor but her parents barely passed high school. Thus one cannot make the assumption that smart people are born only from smart people. Some of teh biggest idiots I know are children to intelligent wealthy parents.
I didn't catch the name of teh chemical he used to stop his brain from aging.
Jessica.
Just a little question, i thought you guys were gonna keep the demon and the 2012 war stuff in the 2012 post...??
~ivan
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Did anyone else hear Aaron's interview with art bell last night? I thought it was pretty interesting to say the least..
I did. I was one of those people Art was talking to Aaron about that thought a lot of the stuff he was saying was bs. But that's just me. [:)]
Why would you be on the demon side. Also the 2012 post is gone. Also what is Aron's interview about.
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Also the 2012 post is gone
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9931
Actually, it isn't. Looking works.
Just because it ain't getting any new posts doesn't make it "Gone". It was on the top of the first page of "Prophecy and Divination", where it's always been. (Under the 2 stickies, of course.)
~Squeek
oh sorry well squeek could you move it there please.
I'll just leave it here for now... if we really wanted to be correct here I would have to move it post by post and I don't even think I can do that... So, just let this one fizzle out eventually and it will shift back into that one, OK?
Cool beans.
~Squeek
The book of revelations has been incorrectly read by christian church leaders.
The bible is incomplete. Many parts of the bible were destroyed by the catholic church.
The translation from Hebrew to English and other languages is not accurate.
I suspect that the catholics re-wrote certain parts of the bible to fit it more to their religious views.
After all the catholic church did make a secret deal with Hitler, so re-writting a few biblical stories wouldn't bother them.
Have you researched the changes that King James made to it?
Jessica
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Originally posted by Ken
The book of revelations has been incorrectly read by christian church leaders.
The bible is incomplete. Many parts of the bible were destroyed by the catholic church.
The translation from Hebrew to English and other languages is not accurate.
I suspect that the catholics re-wrote certain parts of the bible to fit it more to their religious views.
After all the catholic church did make a secret deal with Hitler, so re-writting a few biblical stories wouldn't bother them.
I will be on the side of the Source, whatever that source may be.
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Have you researched the changes that King James made to it?
Jessica
I'd be interested to hear what you have to say about that
Oh cmon Clow how can any of us possibly take you seriously? according to you you are a cat demon and you are able to build ki barriers to deflect negs at your bedroom door. Now you're obsessed theres some type of demon war coming, if you are a cat demon then why arnt you going to be fighting on the side of the demons?
The source... you mean the scource from charmed? Also rihnegirl you still havn't told me why you want to be on the demon side. You don't have to if you don't want to but it does interest me.
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Originally posted by Clow
The source... you mean the scource from charmed?
Cole was a fantastic character and could easily have kicked the Titons arses if he hadnt been vanquished.
I don't think it's so important when the Day of Doom is going to come as I don't care when my death is going to come - it's more important what I'll do untill then. I mean that dying isn't significant - it's only a "door", a borderline between conditions. And the future events depend on our present ones. So, everything depends on us - we can decide which "stronger force" will be cause all the people are one whole. If we're doing our best to improve our and other people lifes and our unmaterial development we shouldn't care about the Day of Doom. It scares only those who think the material world is more important than the higher ones or those who're afraid they haven't done enough good in their lifes. But be calm - whatever it happens it'll be at it's right time - not sooner and not later. The best we can do untill then is to try to make ourselves better and purer cause that's the point ou our existence in the end.
Best regards
I didn't say anything about negs. I got freaked out a while ago because I had a nightmare in which my fear of the dead was exposed. So for caution I put a ki barrier at my door. I hope you don't think of it as a physical thing. It was ki. My own. So if it broke(Which would have been easy) I would feel it. ( can't say this without making you think that I think I am extremley powerful and better than anyone)I am a cat demon but I'm not in the physical form right now. It is simply a thing in my spirit. It will turn physical later when the final pole shift happens. Also I'm not obsessed. I am simply warning people that it is bound to happen and is close.
You say you don't care about the day of doom but what if you could postpone your own. I might be a necrophobic but I'm not afraid of my own death. Even so I don't want to die..
Clow, if you are a cat demon in spirit and when the pole shift comes it will manifest physically then when the demon war comes why wont you be fighting alongside your fellow demons?
This pole shift rubbish has been in New Age circles for years. Someone predicts a date, it doesnt happen, they then prdict another date, it doesnt happen, ad infinitum.
And this Aaron dude wishes to reestablish the rein of demons on the Earth...to save us (he also advocates forced sterilization of all persons with disabilities and IQ's lower than 100). Lovely.
Another flash-in-the-pan self styled New Age maniac that will be forgotton.
It's not important how long is your life but how sense it has. If I have to choose I prefer to live shorter but to do great things in my life(to became better, to help as many people as I can). I can't stand the thought my life is useless and I'm marking time - and if that's what I have to do during one long lifetime I prefer not to do it at all.
But I know that as long I'm walking on my right path everything is going to be ok - so I'm calm[:)]
for the love of all thats sane and rational
a pole shift would affect us very little, plus many many many scientists, seismologists and the like have determined that its extremly unlikely a pole shift will occur within the next 1000 years
I personally would be more worried about the ozone hole, or the chemtrails that the american government is zigzagging across the skys
not to mention about a dozen crazy butt dictators with their finger on the big red button
or supercoglomerate corperations like monsanto or the like who are currently trying to patent human genes, or patent cures so that they essentially become inaccessable for the sick
or anti-biotic resistant strains of superbacteria, or the avian flu,
And the demon war isn't as close as you think, and thats becasue there hasn't been the anti-christ yet, EVERYBODY HATES BUSH
the president that succeeds bush (assuming bush doesn't win the next election) will most likely be the anti-christ
even if you where a demon, you'd be given a choice to which "side" you'd fight on, if there where even the slimmest chance of such a thing to occur,
What about yOgas in the indian mountains who've become at one with the universe? will they be affected? what about the shaolin monks? or isolated cultures in the phillipines?
will they be affected by the "dEmon War 2012?"
it all seems like a bunch of juvenille insanity, of which I will NOT suscribe to,
and Maybe If you wish and hope and believe enough, you might get Your so demon war which aPparently You are all looking so forward to.
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Originally posted by volcomstone
the president that succeeds bush (assuming bush doesn't win the next election) will most likely be the anti-christ
Huh? I thought it was obvious to everyone that Bush is the Anti-Christ? [:)]
no the anti-christ will be a false prophet,
so he must be Loved and adored by the people , everyone hates bush, so he can't be the anti-christ no matter what peop
I don't like prophets. They suck.
As far as I'm concerned; as long as there has been drugs, there have been prophets.
However, should a war occur, I will be on the side of whoever I percieve as the most rightious. And did anyone ever think that there could be more than just two sides. What about an all-out war between three or five sides or more all anhiliating each other. I mean it's supposed to be total chaos right, so no one's really gonna work together. And who says that the anti-christ is gonna be the prez of the US?[;)]
When the final pole shift happens I can choose which side I want to be on. Also anything and everything will be affected by the poleshift. The people who are more "in tune with the universe" will just be the most likley to survive it. Also Volcome I didn't know that scientists had anything to do with Demensional pole shifts. Maybe volcanic ones but not the spiritual ones. I think there will only be two sides but I might be wrong maybe there are more.
1 John 2:18 - Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
(aka, /every/ one that denies the father and the son is an antichrist)
1 John 4:3 - And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
those are EVERY reference in the bible to an antichrist, and as you can see, there is not one single antichrist, but *everyone* who denies jesus and God is an antichrist (after all, think about the words: anti and christ... duh). also note the "even now are there many antichrists".
~kakkarot
Could there be a major world-leader antichrist, though?
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Originally posted by findtruth
Could there be a major world-leader antichrist, though?
Would we notice the difference. I think that Blair is a contender, leaves chaos wherever he treds [:o)]
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Originally posted by kakkarot
those are EVERY reference in the bible to an antichrist, and as you can see, there is not one single antichrist, but *everyone* who denies jesus and God is an antichrist (after all, think about the words: anti and christ... duh). also note the "even now are there many antichrists".
~kakkarot
kakkarot,
i think clow is using the term "anti-christ" in its popular, prophetic, end-of-days sense - as opposed to in its christian/theological sense.
in this context, the second beast from revelations is, i believe, relevant here. I would also add that George W. Bush is the second beast from revelations:
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Revelation 13
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him
or, as is written in "The Devil's Apocrypha" by John A. De Vito:
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Fear ye him, for he shall be the Second of Three, the Bearer of Faith. He shall hold the heavens as his banner; and the congregations of his nation shall be his soldiers.
He shall wage his war in the name of all that is holy, yet he shall not be holy. His words will speak of justice and mercy for his people, yet his actions will be unjust and unmerciful; for THIS PRINCE SHALL BE THE FATHER OF TERROR UPON THE EARTH.
In his atrocities shall no race or faith find succour, for his killings shall spare no one, not even the children of his tribe
oh and Clow, the "demon war" you speak of is beginning in the first half of THIS VERY YEAR (2004) and will result in the fall of the government of the United States of America (and associated supporting structures). and the demons (as well as divers other entities) will be on humanity's side in this upcoming war. and we're going to win btw. :D
all the best all,
Oazaki.
Fascinating. And here I was beginning to believe that I was the onlyone here who believed in any sort of demonic war. Wow, I don't feel so alone anymore, LoL. Personally I too believe that the prophetic events described in the bible (those related to the 'tribulation' we are to face) will soon begin to be fulfilled. I believe that within the next year or so we will begin to see drastic changes spiritually. Also, I believe that there will be drastic changes in the physical world too, specifically relating to governmental issues and things of that nature.
Hm, just thought I'd throw my 2¢ in with the rest.
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Originally posted by Talon213
Fascinating. And here I was beginning to believe that I was the onlyone here who believed in any sort of demonic war.
It is fascinating that you found it so fascinating you decided to stop lurking and post on the board. Welcome.
I never really used the word anti-christ. a couple days ago I lost my christian faith. However I did think that the prophets were off a bit and the war would come earlier. I can feel the pole shifts.
Sooo, In other words, the US is supposed to fall by July? Where did you here this, Oazaki? (or anyone else who knows) And how is it supposed to fall? Will Bush destroy it, will there be an economic slump, or will Hell pop out of the ground and the Us get swallowed u8p in it, eh?
I tend to agree with findtruth; as in I am pretty sceptical about the end of the world as we know it today in the near future. if it were to happen though, I think I would side with the group who shared my views (again, agreeing w/ findtruth). I don't think I would change to some other form if (or when) this happens in my lifetime, because I would probably have had some inkling of it by now. and I'm curious about something; Clow, why do you think you will be a cat demon? why not a dog or a horse or a turtle? I was wondering where this idea came from.
Hey, U.S. falling? Anybody know about this?! Okay, I admit it. I want the U.S. government to come crumbling down! Though I suppose I'm just being hopeful...
How about not even think about the damn end of the world theories and focus on your own lives and improving them.
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Originally posted by wantsumrice
How about not even think about the damn end of the world theories and focus on your own lives and improving them.
probably cause their own lives are too harsh or too boring, so they look to the future as a form of escapism. pretty normal among us humans after all ^_^ . after all, why care about the bills you have to pay tomorrow when you have "really important training to do in preperation for some major catastrophe in the future"? [;)] or maybe it's along the lines of "i can ignore that bully in school cause i know i'm going to save his life in a short while and he'll change his attitude and appreciate me instead" [|)].
everyone has their drug, the thought they need to keep them going till tomorrow, and the day after that. the thing that gives meaning to their lives; hope that what they are living right now isn't all that there is to life, that it really is better than this.
~kakkarot
Drugs are bad. Don't do drugs.
~ivan
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Originally posted by wantsumrice
Drugs are bad. Don't do drugs.
~ivan
Define DRUG! If a drug is any chemical that alters the human body chemistry then by that definition oxygen, water, food,etc are drugs.[:P]
Jessica
It may be so that some people use the future as escapism or the way to kepp going through life. I infact could maybe be doing that. All I have is a bunch of things I've seen felt and heard. But as most people say. To be sure I need something I can hold. Though we only have a few more years till this is over and we will all get our answers won't we[|)].
Sorry for the double post forgot to answer Sain.
To explain it completley would kinda be off topic and by me saying it for some reason, angers people. However I can say that a reliable friend read my aura and told. I don't know how it works so don't ask me. Also if you want to know the whole story you can PM me.
Apparently when the demon war starts the hellmouth will open and Sunnydale will get sucked into hell and prehistoric Vampires will roam the Earth feeding on humanity - not even the slayer can stop them............. or can she! [;)]
Clow - "However I did think that the prophets were off a bit and the war would come earlier. I can feel the pole shifts."
your intuition in this regard is strong. yes indeed the events will be hitting earlier than prophesied, reason being that if the karma in this regard is fed thru earlier, it has less mass to it and consequently the "negative" effects will be greatly reduced. re: the pole shifts, i'm not sure when exactly this will occur, but i do know that it will be before 2013.
findtruth - "Sooo, In other words, the US is supposed to fall by July? Where did you here this, Oazaki?"
well the USA govt, rather than the USA per se. but yes, that's the basic gist of it. and the USA as a nation will cease to exist, being split up into many, smaller nation states and a lot of the land being given back to the various native tribes. as to where i got this... well, i've got access to priveledged information in this regard! [:D] sorry, can't really say more than that here, now. but hey, check it out for yourself and see what you get. if you look at my homepage, that will give you some links which will fill in some further peices of the puzzle for you if you're interested...
Talon213 - "I believe that within the next year or so we will begin to see drastic changes spiritually. Also, I believe that there will be drastic changes in the physical world too, specifically relating to governmental issues and things of that nature."
yes indeed. [:D]
Clow - "Though we only have a few more years till this is over and we will all get our answers won't we"
yep. in fact by the end of this year the craved-for physical results will be there for all to see. now though, i would ask: how come damn near every sensitive and strongly psychic person is picking up on MAJOR changes to come in the next few years? and sure, some psychics are picking up on such things *every* year [:roll:] but i for one, and many others too it would seem, got these premonitions only as regards this time-period we're now entering...
i'd also add that all of this is consistent with the relevant astrological factors in this regard, aswell as with the events/possibilities detailed in the bible code. so there's another two areas anybody who's interested can look into if they like. though re: the bible code, i think you'll find that the main possibility reffered to in the second book of the series is not the one which will occur. rather the other possibility, very briefly mentioned but not detailed in that book, is the one which i'm placing my money on as occurring. which brings us to the topic of which search terms to run thru the code, and what the details of that "other possibility" are...
all the best all,
Oazaki.
so we continue training as always, and wait. If nothing happens, we continue on as always. If something does, well, then we'll all have to cross that bridge when we come to it.[;)] Provided there is some all out war or whatever, I'll side with those who I see as most rightious and honorable (yes, I believe in such things, even today). Either that, or I'll be a loner. [B)]
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Originally posted by Clow
Though we only have a few more years till this is over and we will all get our answers won't we[|)].
well, not really. people will just pick a different date a few years into the future, pick a different catastrophe, and start all over again ^_^ .
~kakkarot
That is probably true if it doesn't happen but I strongly believe that it will. Besides it about time that the goverment falls, this one sucks.
All governments suck. By nature, they take away freedom. We, as a society don't know what true freedom is like, just because some people we don't know are ruling over us.
Anyway, if you guys are right about the 2012(or sooner) war, won't it be the first time that a group like this has actually been right about a prophecy? Think of all the other events and apocolypses that have been predicted and never happened.
I guess but arn't we overdue [:D].
The world has been ending every year since the human race first thought of the idea of an apocolypse.
It needed to end a long time ago. Like when the Industrial age started.
Perhaps, but would you have rather been whoever you were in that lifetime, or as you are now? While the world's a pretty nasty place, it hasn't ended yet, and that must mean something...
I think Findtruth has just made a pretty important point.
People of every age had some reason to complain, and felt they were seeing some signs that the world was going to end - technology going too far, standards of morality declining, increasing population and increasing crime, and in more recent years - increasing levels of media presence telling us so very thoroughly exactly how bad everything is.
The question then becomes a matter of choice - do you believe that the world is going to hell in a handbasket and spend your time looking for signs and portence? Or do you make the best of this life you have now, aware that maybe the world might end, or maybe you'll be run over tomorrow by an out of control ice-cream vendor on the run from police because he's been selling crack, but you're still going to enjoy life as much as you can while you're here.
Regards,
James.
The thing is we can stop the world from ending and make it the beutiful place it once was 2000 years ago. If you believe the demon war theory then there is still the possibility that life will still go on.
It's a lovely thought Clow. I really wouldn't mind seeing that happen (says me sitting typing at a computer while I'm building up / configuring other computers around me [;)]).
It would take something pretty substantial to bring that about. All but basic technology would have to become useless and the entire world monetary system would have to be wiped out.
Can't help but think I'd love to see the need for money end alltogether. Removing peoples need / desire for money would solve SO many of our problems.
Jmaes.
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Originally posted by James S
The question then becomes a matter of choice - do you believe that the world is going to hell in a handbasket and spend your time looking for signs and portence? Or do you make the best of this life you have now, aware that maybe the world might end, or maybe you'll be run over tomorrow by an out of control ice-cream vendor on the run from police because he's been selling crack, but you're still going to enjoy life as much as you can while you're here.
I think it is wise to assume that we definately have one life time as we know it and thus it is somewhat important to make the most of it. Making life decisions based upon some upcoming major event of indeterminate soundness can give poor direction, I have been there and now regret passing on some opportunities for what was obviously unsound reasons.
i didnt read the whole thread so im not sure if this was mentioned or not-- but didnt the Mayans believe that (2 theorys i have read about) the world will 1) end in 2012 or 2) move into the 4th dimention? so what if it was the second option..what do you think would happen? ive also heard from another sorce that the world will move into the 4th dimention around that time which i thought kinda interesting...
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Originally posted by James S
Can't help but think I'd love to see the need for money end alltogether. Removing peoples need / desire for money would solve SO many of our problems.
Would it really? I'd like a million dollars but not for the sake of teh paper money, but for what I could buy with that money and what that money would mean to me.
If there was no paper money people would still be bartering with other goods....and then theres teh worlds oldest currency...sex.
Jessica
I s'pose what I'm thinking is more along the lines of all people material needs being met without requiring some form of monetary system to meet those needs. Kind of like the idea of replicators in Star Trek. Money becomes pointless when you can produce all you need yourself using some form of energy to matter conversion.
I'd like the need for money to become pointless, then greed would become pointless, and a large portion of the crimes and misery in this world would vanish.
Yeah, I know...dream on!
James.
I don't think its a matter of resource scarcity as it is the desperate need for control. Where I live there are homeless who sleep in the woods. Its illegal and the cops can arrest them.
The homeless hurt no one by sleeping in the woods and yet teh govt demands to control their sleep habits. There are billions other examples.
Jessica
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Originally posted by James S
I s'pose what I'm thinking is more along the lines of all people material needs being met without requiring some form of monetary system to meet those needs. Kind of like the idea of replicators in Star Trek. Money becomes pointless when you can produce all you need yourself using some form of energy to matter conversion.
I'd like the need for money to become pointless, then greed would become pointless, and a large portion of the crimes and misery in this world would vanish.
Yeah, I know...dream on!
James.
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Originally posted by James S
I think Findtruth has just made a pretty important point.
People of every age had some reason to complain, and felt they were seeing some signs that the world was going to end - technology going too far, standards of morality declining, increasing population and increasing crime, and in more recent years - increasing levels of media presence telling us so very thoroughly exactly how bad everything is.
The question then becomes a matter of choice - do you believe that the world is going to hell in a handbasket and spend your time looking for signs and portence? Or do you make the best of this life you have now, aware that maybe the world might end, or maybe you'll be run over tomorrow by an out of control ice-cream vendor on the run from police because he's been selling crack, but you're still going to enjoy life as much as you can while you're here.
Regards,
James.
What you said about the media, has anyone here ever seen Michael Moores documentery "Bowling for Columbine". He makes some very strong points about how (theres no other way to put this) americanised media is always focussing on the bad side of things, which leads to public hysteria that theres higher crime rates, more chance of being murdered, and so on, because the hysteria fuels their profits. I won't go into details here because I think its a doco that everyone should see and make their own judgement upon. He is very methodical and will draw comparisons between the thing he's scrutinising and similar things done differently elsewhere, which serves to back up his arguments.
James, I like the point you're trying to make. Choose between being scared of everything and trying to run from it every moment, spend countless hours preparing for things that might not happen, or just go with the flow, if it happens deal with it then.
I think balance is needed... a bit of preparation, but not to the point where every moment consumes you so that nothing else in your life matters and life slips quietly away in the background. Be alert, but not alarmed, as our kind government recently informed us aussies after a certain war. Terror is in our midst. TERROR! TERROR! however, do not be alarmed that TERROR is here. Nay, be TERRIFIED.... ahem. Obviously I have issues with governments too.
Y'know Jessica, I hadn't thought of it that way. It is all about control isn't it. Even if there were no such thing as money, there would still be those who seek to control others.
That business with the homeless really sucks! first they're rejected from society, then they're punished for living the only way they can!
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Originally posted by Clow
The thing is we can stop the world from ending and make it the beutiful place it once was 2000 years ago. If you believe the demon war theory then there is still the possibility that life will still go on.
Who says the world was a paradise 2000 yrs ago? Every civilization had its glory day and then fell. Even most Muslim countries had thier glory days awhile ago.
Describe how you think it would have been 2000 yrs ago and WHY it was better without vaccines, coffee, art, literature, music, etc?
2000 yrs ago most people were scratchin around in teh dirt and fighting each other over territory adn food. Women were seen as chattel. No anime. need I go on??
Jessica *who is bored*
>Originally posted by James S
>Y'know Jessica, I hadn't thought of it that way. It is all about
>control isn't it. Even if there were no such thing as money, there
>would still be those who seek to control others.
Interesting. [:)] A GOVERNment try to control what you can, and
more importantly, can NOT experience. Imo, the bottom line of 3rd
density is experience. Think this shows the dark aspect of
governments.
How about we just get rid of all the governments...[}:)]
People have neither the desire, skill, nor the intelligence to govern themselves. No society where government is no longer an issue will be able to exist for more than a month before the next dictator or president gets placed in charge of everyone in that society. People in general are easily led by anyone with half a brain and a little charisma.
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Originally posted by Michael_Stonewing
People have neither the desire, skill, nor the intelligence to govern themselves. No society where government is no longer an issue will be able to exist for more than a month before the next dictator or president gets placed in charge of everyone in that society. People in general are easily led by anyone with half a brain and a little charisma.
how right you are, sadly enough. if some more intelligent people formed their owned society, that might work, but the general population would fall into dissarray if there was no government to hold it all together. it talks about this sort of the stuff in some of the science fiction/ fantasy books i read...
People... are pathetic.
One reason society is the way it has become is because of the manipulative and controlling nature of the ghoulish transdimensionals as well as the greys. Some humans actually willingly help them out. If you want more information, read God's Gladiators by Stuart Wilde.
So... Greys control us, too. [xx(]Great, just great[xx(]
I kind of think that the idea that so many entities would be controlling us is more of a scapegoat than an actual cause. If I go out and kill someone it will have been because of four factors.
1. I did not particulary like this person,
2. I was certain I would not be punished for my actions,
3. I had something to gain from the murder,
4. I wanted to experience killing that person.
It is not because the greys have conditioned me, nor am I possessed, nor have I actually gone insane, simply those four factors have never come together and so I have never killed anyone.
We as a human race are a bloodthirsty species but we have grown this interesting tool known as society and so have surpressed most of our more primal urges... However, those primal urges are an integral part of ourselves so it bleeds through into every facet of our society.
Even if something does influence us we allow it to influence us and so whatever we do under that influence we must accept as our own actions. If you drink to excess while driving and you crash into a minivan killing a mother and her three children you are not going to blame the alcohol for killing those people. You are going to have to blame yourself.....
Just my opinion.
when the time comes around for this 'war' i will be a loner ...playing my video games...and when that somebody/demon destroys the source of electricity for my video games ...i'll kill them..[B)].....must play video games.....[B)].. anyways when this whole thing blows over {i say its just a motivating cause} another will take its place to serve as another cause for training.
the pole shift will take us to the 4th dimention right? i would like it if someone im'd me on more of the pole shift....
the end of the cycle, the returning to the source, the pole shift, the return of nbiru, the ascension, the demon war, THE APOCALYPSE
the end times,
all of these things are all seemingly real, but in a world of illusion and deception nothing can be taken for face value.
return to the dreamworld, where time has no meaning, and the begining is as unclear as the end, and the past is just as changable as the future....
"Reality is an illusion, albeit a persistant one" - Albert Einstein
Yes, I suppose I'd have to agree with what Volcomstone and Stonewing.
Why should now of all times be the end?
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Why should now of all times be the end?
I see your point as well, but rather than dwell on that question, I ask myself: Is there anymore evidence that it
isn't the end than that it
is? Many have stated that these theories of the End Times that we have created are merely motivational tools. Perhaps that
is all that they are, however, although I have used my "personal theory" as a strong source of motivation, I do honestly believe that there is a strong possibility in "the end" occuring.
The point is, whether any of the appocalyptic theories are correct or not, they have all served a purpose. Whether or not they have effected you personally may not matter, but they have helped someone somewhere to better themselves. They have given cause to some of those who feel lost in this world.
As always, thats just my 2¢
-Talon[|)]
"Who says the world was a paradise 2000 yrs ago? Every civilization had its glory day and then fell. Even most Muslim countries had thier glory days awhile ago.
Describe how you think it would have been 2000 yrs ago and WHY it was better without vaccines, coffee, art, literature, music, etc?
2000 yrs ago most people were scratchin around in teh dirt and fighting each other over territory adn food. Women were seen as chattel. No anime. need I go on??"
It's all relative to the society and the time. Everything is in the eyes of the beholder. There are some people nowadays that live absolutely happily without anything you listed above rhinegirl. Go ahead and try to argue the point, but the thing is, it doesn't matter.
The best you can do in your own present moment is to be happy with what you have and deal with it. 2000 years ago it may have been the same damn conditions as today, but different contexts.
In your present day eyes, with the TV, the car etc etc and all these luxuries have just spoiled you. Back then they had to deal with much much less and I am certain they were content with what they had.
~ivan
Yes, the theories about the apocolypse do serve as an excellent motivational tool sometimes. The only problem with that would be for those people who live in fear of the end and spend their whole lives preparing for something and then it doesn't happen. It's better to be skeptical yet open-minded and prepared.[|)] Just don't let it consume your life.
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It's better to be skeptical yet open-minded and prepared. Just don't let it consume your life.
Exactly.
It is true. Everything is in the eyes of the beholder. I would love to live in clean air. I would love for school to vanish for existance[:D]. I would love to be unspoiled. To have to work. To never have a dull moment. Also vaccines weaken the human race. Cofee stains your teeth. And who says we didn't have music art and literature back then.
Has anyone noticed the strees between everyone now. The countries, the Media, even here on Astral Pulse. Stress can't stay put forever. Something always gives under some type of stress. Given Time. A bridge will eventually fall and rust from gravity and rain. As will a mountain. No matter how you look at it something big will happen soon. Something has to end the stress. Break the bridge. You should hope it will be the demon war. Because if we get into a world war III. We won't survive. Almost every country posses some Weapon of Mass Destruction. At least with the demon war we have a chance.
But really think about it. Watch the news for a bit. People are mad about Mel Gibsons movie(Religous stress). People are mad about Homosexuals marrying in the U.S.(Ethnic Stress). Who knows what awaits us down the path.
Stress has been here from the dawn of time, and will be here until this world is never more.
Why add more stress to your life by worrying about something that you cannot change? or heck, it may not even happen..[^]
Nay [;)]
P.S. I just remembered, that years ago I was reading a book by Sylvia Brown (don't groan, she isn't all that bad.) Her guide, Francine had one incarnation here on earth. While here, she and her village were being threated by others. This distressed Francine a great deal, and lived in fear and anticipation of the massacre. It did happened, SEVEN years later! The village was raided and Francine was killed by one spear. Francine regrets living in fear, because she missed many happy moments and laughter. For seven years she allowed those people to have control over her life, when she could have been living her last years on earth happily.
saying that there's going to be a war between demons and humans is like saying that there's going to be a war between mongoose and rats
But what about when there is too much stress. Something has to break it. Also Mongoose eat rats so that is not a very good metaphor.
i think that to one degree or another, people feel like something is up. Well, for those of you who do, you're right. Something is up, and I doubt anyone has figured out what it is. But we see it every day in our society. We see more fear, control freaks, hostility, violence, etc. and an all-around increase in negativity. Maybe it isn't the approach of the end of the world or the beginning of a demon war, but it is something and it is going to happen. Where or when will depend on the stability of the etheric.
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Also Mongoose eat rats so that is not a very good metaphor.
ROTFLMAO *wipes the tears away* oh..Clow you are so cute sometimes, thanks for that innocent laugh [:D]
Nay [;)]
Just randomly surfing across the active topics when I came upon this:
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Describe how you think it would have been 2000 yrs ago and WHY it was better without vaccines, coffee, art, literature, music, etc?
2000 yrs ago most people were scratchin around in teh dirt and fighting each other over territory adn food. Women were seen as chattel. No anime. need I go on??
Now, I haven't really been following this topic very closely, and this may or may not be very relevant, but the ancients weren't as primitive as simply cave men living outside of caves in shelters. The very first civilization on Earth, Sumeria, had restaurants, marketplaces, boats and seaports, all sorts of tools, music and other arts (including huge statues, pottery, etc.) and plenty of literature (some of which is relatively well known to this very day, ie the 'Epic of the Flood' and the 'Epic of Gilgamesh'). Sumeria even had prostitutes.
Two-thousand years ago, which was roughly the time when Jesus died and Rome was still the world power, things weren't that bad, either. After Rome fell, things got pretty bad for a lot of people and the Dark Ages fell upon the world with feudalism and a brutal church causing a lot of trouble. But when long-range weaponry came about and feudalism ended, things got better again.
I agree with Rice. Though we may have cars and air conditioning and all of that, the civilizations of the past I'm sure wouldn't be that hard to live in, either, during their better times (unless you were a slave, of course). There are things they had to worry about that first-world countries no longer have to (ie winters' cold, shortage of food), and there are things they never had to worry about that we do (ie balancing budgets with various odd bills, terrorism, and about 4 decades ago, global destruction via the nuclear bomb).
Which is better, which is worse... That's up to you to decide. In my opinion, the thing that most separates us apart from civilizations of the past is our medical technology, which, though far more advanced than it was, is still somewhat in its infancy. Nevertheless people are now living to ages that were unheard of in the past.
There's anothing thing to that NLC, we as humans are pretty excellent at treating the physical aspect of the body, but terribly weak with the spiritual aspect. There's something we HAVE forgotten, healing the metaphysical self. But in today's society, i'm not surprised to see this being unpopular.
Clow: There's no such thing as too much stress. The universe always balances itself out accordingly. Maybe there'll be great stress in one part of the world, but great peace in another... food for a thought...
~ivan
Your write Wantsumrice, our society is severely lacking in spiritual healing and the suchlike. But that is the price of technology. At least, for now...
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There's anothing thing to that NLC, we as humans are pretty excellent at treating the physical aspect of the body, but terribly weak with the spiritual aspect. There's something we HAVE forgotten, healing the metaphysical self. But in today's society, i'm not surprised to see this being unpopular.
I think one cause is living in urban areas rather than closer to nature. That and maybe science. Science has left its mark, either directly or indirectly, on spirituality in general.
Nay, I'm not quite sure if what you said was an insult but it made me feel like a little kid so I'm going to my room now and I'm going to cry.[|)]
It wasn't a insult!! Sheesh, you made me laugh and I thanked you...Do I really come across as a total B?
Usually when I call someone cute they appreciate it, well up until now.[B)]
Sorry, I will cease calling you cute...
Nay
... I was joking too. Now I have to cry some more.[|)]
People want to make the world like it was 2000 years ago?
Not that I disagree with them. I'm a Roman historian so I'm biased. I would like to take a trip back to the empire.
2000 years ago the known world was ruled by Octavius Augustus Caesar, under a new imperial regime, which came into effect after the end of the Republic in 27BCE. Augustus' political settlement was disguised to make it sound like it was still constitutional, ie he was officially 'Princeps' or 'First Citizen', not a monarch, and his powers were only conferred on him by the Senate.
Of course this was excrement and everyone knew that the Senate had no real power any more.
Things were good in the classical period, not just The Roman Empire, but also the earlier Greek civilisation which itself was absorbed into the greater Roman Empire.
It is certainly NOT the case that 2000 years ago 'people were running around in skins and scrabbling in the dirt' like one earlier poster mentioned. Such views of history are completely incorrect and actually display a kind of cultural disdain for the historical past which I have found to be a mainly American phenomenon. I'm not sure why but it's a long running feature, going back to Henry Ford's classic crass statement 'history is bunk'.
In the Classical world, just like even older civilisations like Egypt and Sumeria for example, were civilisations with towns, cities, laws, constitutions, literature, art, culture, philosophy, music, sport, beurocracy, administration, medicine, state religions etc etc.
Did you know that Rome in the 1st century BCE was the largest city on Earth, with a population of one million; this would not be matched again until London in the 19th century.
Regarding medicine. In the Roman period, the quality of medicine was actually high (although hopefully no-one will be daft enough to compare it to 21st century standards!), in fact, surgical techniques were so good that they were not matched again until the 19th century.
Julius Caesar for example famously had an operation to remove his appendix when he was a child.
Yes, outside of towns and cities, many rural people continued to earn a living off the land and lived pretty close to the bone, but this has always been the case, right up until the present day. I would not demean country folk by saying that they 'scrabble in the dirt'; you sound like an arrogant Roman senator!
From Greece (Athens) we got democracy, rationalism and philosophy, and from Rome we got Good Government, Roman Law and later, the Roman religion of Christianity. Sanitation technology was amazing, with some roman sewer systems still in use today. The Cloaca Maxima, the main sewer in Rome for example, is still in use today, this was built around 500BCE!
Let's not forget classical architecture which has spread to all corners of the earth. cf The White House in the US, probably the most famous neo-classical building in the world: Ionic style.
Greek Doric style can be seen in the Kobe National Bank in Tokyo!
The Americans went on a Roman republic trip when they were laying out their new capitol did they not?
The fact that they call it Capitol Hill, which is named after the one in Rome (The Capitoline Hill); also their constitution is based on the Roman republic, with a senate and so on. And that monument that looks like Cleopatra's needle? come on guys, Augustus brought one of those back with him from Egypt and set it up in Rome as well!
Anyway, basically the whole of modern western civilisation owes itself directly to the classical world, so yeah man, you have to love it!
And don't forget, Romans had underfloor central heating as well as the most hard-assed, disciplined, fully professional, ruthless killing machine of an army that ever kicked barbarian butt in the ancient world!
SEND ME THERE NOW! [:P]
Douglas
Very interesting. Finally, someone with an educated view on history decides to show his face.
O.k. don't turn this post into a public tinkling contest otherwise you will end up covered in tinkle(quoted).
It seems now that we are drawing closer to the final pole shift. More and more people are willing to accept that "judgement day" is going to happen. I don't believe that anything is fated. However this will happen. When it does there is either future or dispair for the human race. The prophecy says it will happen. The bible even hints that it will. I am no longer christian for I don't believe that a place such as heaven could exist. There can't be place where only order prevales we need some type of chaos.
Anyway back to subject. I want to warn anyone who does not yet believe that the war will happen. To atleast prepare yourselves for something like it.
I really don't care if this turns into a debate. It might give people a chance to prove me wrong.