We should all band together and fight back.

[SunnyBlue]

I like this idea Enderwiggin,and even some of us that are not of the  warrior type could perhaps send healing energy and Loveing support,
Of course i would myself have to check out why the person is being bothered,i wrote this out(the paragraphs in an attached file,word format) years ago to help people being bothered,i like and am thankfull for Roberts Book, but maybe this might also shed some light on other means of defense.
L+L
Bruce



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[beavis]

I dont usually fight negs because it makes them stronger.

[Anonymous]

Hi Beavis.

Fighting negs doesn't necessarily make them stronger, it depends on the methods you use and the kind of negs they are.

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by EnderWiggin

Hi Beavis.

Fighting negs doesn't necessarily make them stronger, it depends on the methods you use and the kind of negs they are.

I used to think that fighting negs was bad and was even told by one that I shouldn't fight. This particular neg is powerful and has been with me since birth. You see my mother has several negs and when I was born one promised me to another and so it has considered me its property.

I currently slamdance the crap out of it about once a week. I'm getting better at doing ritual banishment, i find my anger really hurts it. I will fight it till it leaves or till the day I die. And even after death I shall beat teh crap out of it! I hate things that prey on children and the weak, therefore I must become strong so that I shall prey upon those entities which consider themselves predators!!! I shall devour them without mercy, I shall take joy in their screams of pain and confusion! I shall be that which they fear, that which they tell their young stories about! I shall be the beast which hides in their closets and benaeth their beds! I shall be the hunter and they the hunted!

Xander

[AurorisBoreala]

Well said, Ender.  There is no reason a man filled with a righteous Spirit can not stand up to evil and protect the innocent.  Indeed, if we who are able do not do so - who will?  

Do not be dismayed by nay-sayers and the neg-protectors and the cowards  - there are more people on the side of goodness and decency than you may realize.

Live in the truth of your Spirit and what you know to be right.

[Hephaestus]

*Begins to hear the song, 'fighting fire with fire'*

[Anonymous]

I walk the walk, Mysteryninja. I've got a little hit list going. Criminalmind's attacker, Good Hope's attacker, and one other person. I'm not afraid of them and they have yet to do anything to me. I've had success with reducing attacks from Criminalmind's attacker. I've got a friend helping me too. I say we give them a fight they'll never forget. Maybe then they will learn that we are not going to sit back and take it. If invaders attacked your homeland, you'd fight back because otherwise you wouldn't exist. It's the same with negs. They try to invade, so we fight back.

Does anyone want me to help them fight their negs? My AIM screen name is Wafflemaster42. I like to coordinate and organize the attacks if possible, go in with a game plan. Help is welcomed. I prefer to be a last resort- DON'T FIGHT UNLESS NECESSARY. I follow a code of honor and I'd really like to get an idea of the scenario instead of just jumping right into it.

I recommend getting a kyanite crystal, as it is a limitless source of energy and does not harbor negative vibrations. This way you can fight your enemies better. It also can cut through astral matter. However, do not rely on anything but yourself. Learn to increase your stamina and form whatever weapons or devices you need out of your own energy. If you want tactics, I'll teach/describe them to you. You do not need to go to the astral to fight negs. Using your energy and visualizing it as one thing or another works for me (i.e. a sword, arrows flying at your enemy, balls of plasma, etc).

[Hephaestus]

quote:Originally posted by xander

quote:Originally posted by EnderWiggin

Hi Beavis.

Fighting negs doesn't necessarily make them stronger, it depends on the methods you use and the kind of negs they are.

I used to think that fighting negs was bad and was even told by one that I shouldn't fight. This particular neg is powerful and has been with me since birth. You see my mother has several negs and when I was born one promised me to another and so it has considered me its property.

I currently slamdance the crap out of it about once a week. I'm getting better at doing ritual banishment, i find my anger really hurts it. I will fight it till it leaves or till the day I die. And even after death I shall beat teh crap out of it! I hate things that prey on children and the weak, therefore I must become strong so that I shall prey upon those entities which consider themselves predators!!! I shall devour them without mercy, I shall take joy in their screams of pain and confusion! I shall be that which they fear, that which they tell their young stories about! I shall be the beast which hides in their closets and benaeth their beds! I shall be the hunter and they the hunted!

Xander

[beavis]

xander I hate things that prey on children and the weak, therefore I must become strong so that I shall prey upon those entities which consider themselves predators!!! I shall devour them without mercy, I shall take joy in their screams of pain and confusion! I shall be that which they fear, that which they tell their young stories about! I shall be the beast which hides in their closets and benaeth their beds! I shall be the hunter and they the hunted!

I prey on the weak. If I walk by a plant with berries, I might rip some berries off and eat them alive. I eat less intelligent animals than myself, like pigs and cows. I pay people to prey on them for me. I'm a real bastard and I deserve your wrath.

You probably meant those who prey on humans. Its ok to prey on the weak unless you are the weak, right?

[Mick]

I have been involved in this sort of stuff in the past and it has been effective but there are caveats. Not all such situations are simple one on one and I note that you plan to scope out the situation fully first which is obviously wise. I think that my few posts here suggest that using personal awareness comes first not just lashing out. I have come across a number of battling egos over time.

quote:Originally posted by EnderWiggin


Why do people think it is wrong to fight negs? We aren't just going out and picking fights with them, we're defending ourselves from them and stopping them from attacking others. It's like seeing a mugger on a street assaulting someone. What are you going to do? Are you going to let the person be victimized or are you going to risk your own well-being to help them fight back? I for one am willing to risk my well-being for the well-being of others. Because I know that I would like someone to do the same for me if I were being attacked.

I think a little proactive defence is ideal, the turn the other cheek stuff has prevailed for too long and look where we are A priest that I know with whom i have attended exorcisms says much the same. I don't believe that attacking a neg makes them more powerful unless the energy is simply handed over which can be the case if just tossed at the neg.

quote:
I've been working with Criminalmind to help her fight her attacker. If he's so powerful then he would've attacked me by now. I've managed to affect him, to some degree and now he takes me seriously. He knows that he has only to stop attacking others and I'll leave him alone. I've given him that choice.

I think that often the neg simply has advantage over the victim rather than power. It has been able to establish links often over time and it looks like surprisingly little effort is required to exploit these.

Back to the caveat, as you have probably noted, not all such situations are simply one on one, the attacks may be by minions simply present at the will of a motivating entity. Dealing with the current minion (neg) simply makes space for the next to pop in. These minions may be entities only too pleased to have a role along with the food source it provides, they may be servitor type creations etc etc. Othertimes thought forms with the appearance of the perp but without the risks.

The underlying question is why some people appear to be targets for such attacks, the stated solutions are legion but one of my favourite is that some people are by these attacks suppressed at many levels. Why this should be required opens up another raft of conspiracy theories which could fill it's own forum
Another alternate is that this is one of those occasions when some major stuff is happening and what is being percieved in our space is a side effect. It goes on and on
We all hear suggestions frequently as to what is happening but often when put together they are in conflict which brings me to the new Forum request by Dark.

A beyond the established structures investigations including the review and correlation of the observations and suggested interpretations/solutions. The established structures such as Chakras are likely to help in some instances but there are negs that are not constrained to these structures and thinking out of the box is needed to evaluate in these cases.
Also there are times when I think that the actual events that we attempt to translate into physical terms are really quite removed from those terms so keeping fluid is important

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by beavis


I prey on the weak. If I walk by a plant with berries, I might rip some berries off and eat them alive.

I was speaking of astral entities that prey on children and the weak. It was explicitly clear from what I wrote....wisen up!

Xander

[Anonymous]

I adapt. That's how I am. I operate on no system. They all have weaknesses, so I don't use any system. I may take things from systems but that's it. Like Wu Hsin- The way of no way. That's how I fight. Imagination is key. Like Mick said, thinking out of the box.

[Hephaestus]

quote:Originally posted by xander

quote:Originally posted by beavis


I prey on the weak. If I walk by a plant with berries, I might rip some berries off and eat them alive.

I was speaking of astral entities that prey on children and the weak. It was explicitly clear from what I wrote....wisen up!

Xander

So you dont like astral beings that prey on the weak but you like human beings that prey on the weak.

[Metal Ice]

Enderwiggen,

How's it going?
Glad to see you back[]

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus
So you dont like astral beings that prey on the weak but you like human beings that prey on the weak.

That's not what I said.

Xander

[Hephaestus]

Is this some kind of a Joke? There has been no misquoting made.

It was said by xander that he doesnt like beings that prey on the weak and they shall incur his wrath, beavis therefore said that he preys on the weak by eating animals so xander should show him his wrath, xander then said no he meant astral beings (which to me means xander dont mind humans preying on the weak) - therefore I wanted to get it cleared up by asking a question but its not been cleared up, all thats come of it is people making false accusations of misquoting.
This isnt the United Nations Criminal Court you know.

[shadowdancer]

Namaste,
   for the sake of all sanity...i think there may be a few things to remeber.  tremendous amounts of discretionary analysis and patience and a quieted mind for intuitive insight are really really important when one is trying to determine whether a negative force or influence has been externalized.  and that is key.  now, i know this is a point of heated debate, but i think we can see possible results of projective perception and projective perception alone...meaning, when you decide that something that is hurting you is outside of you 100%! you place yourself into a role of victim.  period.  whether you fight back or no, you are being victimized on some level.  now, this IS a level of reality, but it is incomplete.  because when we cannot acknowledge OUR role! in bringing negative energies into manifestation and how WE play a role in their continuation...not only are we victims; but in order to regain our lost personal power, we pick up the sword of self-righteousness and start to cut a swath of destruction....by reading this thread, i believe that it is possible that the psychological interpersonal dynamics that i just spoke of may very well have played a role in certain parties making veiled accusations...of what? does it matter? in conclusion, it is a dangerous game, this game of life...we play with fire and nuclear waste...we manifest demons and draw down the moon...all in the divine tragi-comedy of life on earth....i think someone once said something about a splinter and a log....

[xander]

I have not yet spoken how I feel in regards to humans who prey on each other or humans who prey upon plant and animal life.

Do you wish for me to speak of these things? do you wish me to stand atop a mount and give a sermon in regards to these things?

Xander

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus

Is this some kind of a Joke? There has been no misquoting made.

It was said by xander that he doesnt like beings that prey on the weak and they shall incur his wrath, beavis therefore said that he preys on the weak by eating animals so xander should show him his wrath, xander then said no he meant astral beings (which to me means xander dont mind humans preying on the weak) - therefore I wanted to get it cleared up by asking a question but its not been cleared up, all thats come of it is people making false accusations of misquoting.
This isnt the United Nations Criminal Court you know.

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by Mystery Ninja



Xander - we know you didn't say that.  But it is very curious why someone would want to intentionally misquote and malign you so badly.  

As was said recently: "Very very interesting."

I'm used to people wanting to get my goat so to speak. Much like how the pharisees attempted to trick Jesus, so to do I have people attempting to provoke me to wrath. Like Jesus, however, I easily see through their silliness.

Xander Christ

[Hephaestus]

quote:Originally posted by xander

Do you wish for me to speak of these things? do you wish me to stand atop a mount and give a sermon in regards to these things?

Xander

No, but I wish you to clarify your posts a bit better.
Nuff said.

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus
[No, but I wish you to clarify your posts a bit better.

actually the posrt was very clear and specific. Perhaps too specific.

Xander Christ

[Dark Knight]

I laid on a couch too weak to move and listened to my friend's voice come on the answering machine...all the while thinking I was going to be dead in the morning and would never see anyone I loved again.

You're comparing my experience to a hamburger? All weakness is the same,...oh of course, no boundaries, so it would all be the same.

Assinine is what I would call it.

[Hephaestus]

quote:Originally posted by xander

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus
[No, but I wish you to clarify your posts a bit better.

actually the posrt was very clear and specific. Perhaps too specific.

Xander Christ

The words 'i hate things that prey on the weak' and you're going to kick their asses could have been substituted for 'i hate astral beings that prey on the weak' and you're going to kick their asses.

[AurorisBoreala]

Brothers:

Perhaps we have gotten off topic in the heat of the differing opinions.  

I think Ender's idea is worth considering.  

Ender, perhaps you can tell us more about what you might have in mind.

[Anonymous]

Hello all-

In my kung fu class, we learn that benevolence is the way of the Shaolin. We help others less fortunate than ourselves. If you see someone getting mugged on the street, you confront the attacker and let them know that that's not okay and that they will be punished for their actions. You let them know that this is no way to live and that they can do something better for themselves.

We are taught things about honor and respect, and we are taught about focus and discipline. This is not an easy way of life, but the rewards are much better in the end.

As Bruce Lee once said: "It should be remembered that violence and aggression is part of everyday life now. You see it over the TV. You can't just pretend that it does not exist."

So how do we deal with the violence? We deal with it very carefully, we train ourselves to defend against it, and we help each other when we are in need. We are all brothers and sisters under the eyes of the one(s) responsible for our creation and the creation of the Universe. We must share and we must help each other. Only then can we benefit and advance. The attack of negs is sometimes slowing the process of some peoples' spiritual development. Some negs we can fight off on our own and do not need help with. it is unnecessary for us to fight these negs together. Others, however, are more powerful. And I'm talking about demons, black magicians, whole evil societies, etc. We must stand up against them no matter how much they do to us. It is a very giving gesture to put oneself in harm's way to help another. This is one of the most benevolent things we can do.

In essence, we are all in this together, and need to stick together, move together, share with each other, fight alongside and for each other, etc. Only then will we see the fruits of our benevolence.