No good or bad? Correlation to positive/negative.

[lotuspaper]

Hello Friends, I have another discussion for you today.
I got around to finally seeing the documentary "what the bleep do we know", and I liked it for the most part. There was a person who said something that made me think about good/bad, right/wrong, etc.. I looked up his quote on google:

"If I do this, I'm going to get punished by God. If I do the other thing, I'm going to get rewarded. This is a really poor description that tries to carve out a path in life for us to follow. But with deplorable results. Because there is really no such thing as good or bad. We're judging things far too superficially that way. Does that mean you're in favor of sin and licentiousness an depravity? No. It simply means that you need to improve your expression and understanding of what you're dealing with here.

There are things that I do, and I know they'll evolve me. There are other things that will not evolve me. But it's not good or bad. There's no God waiting to punish you because you did one or the other."
-Dr. Miceal Ledwith


So, if he is saying there is no good or bad, then what are positive vibrations (energy) and negative vibrations (energy)? I for one associate positive energy with "good" and negative energy with "bad". For example, if someone is being extremely rude to someone else, they are usually emitting negative energy towards that person. I perceive that action as a bad thing. But what makes it bad? Well, it all has to do with how you feel. I know that when I am emitting positive energy I feel good, if i'm emitting negative energy, I feel bad. I don't understand how there couldn't be good or bad when there is positive and negative. Aren't they really the same thing or no?

Anyone like to share their thoughts?

[Xanth]

"If I do this, I'm going to get punished by God. If I do the other thing, I'm going to get rewarded. This is a really poor description that tries to carve out a path in life for us to follow. But with deplorable results. Because there is really no such thing as good or bad. We're judging things far too superficially that way. Does that mean you're in favor of sin and licentiousness an depravity? No. It simply means that you need to improve your expression and understanding of what you're dealing with here.

Try to see what this actually is... these are nothing more than fear-based choices.  Any choice based around fear isn't going to take you anywhere you want to be. 

There are things that I do, and I know they'll evolve me. There are other things that will not evolve me. But it's not good or bad. There's no God waiting to punish you because you did one or the other."
-Dr. Miceal Ledwith

The question here becomes... what does he believe is evolving and what things does he believe initiates this evolution?

So, if he is saying there is no good or bad, then what are positive vibrations (energy) and negative vibrations (energy)? I for one associate positive energy with "good" and negative energy with "bad". For example, if someone is being extremely rude to someone else, they are usually emitting negative energy towards that person. So, wouldn't that mean that there is good and bad after all? I don't understand how there couldn't be good or bad when there is positive and negative.

Anyone like to share their thoughts?

My thoughts are that good and bad are only labels and don't objectively exist.  Honestly, everything we experience here, in the grand scheme of things is just an "experience".  It's neither good nor bad...

It's only one or the other because, as a human, we have a tendency to label and categorize everything we encounter... beyond that good and bad are only opinions. 

Good post. 

[lotuspaper]

It's only one or the other because, as a human, we have a tendency to label and categorize everything we encounter... beyond that good and bad are only opinions. 

Good post. 

Right, but you are forgetting the properties of energy. Physical or non-physical there is positive and negative. Like for example, when people talk about "negative entities" in the astral plane, they speak of them as being bad, because they don't do nice things sometimes. So, them not doing nice things (or bad) makes them vibrate at a lower frequency (negative). So again, if there is no "good" or "bad" what makes a being vibrate at a positive or negative frequency? Or rather, what is the cause of the frequency they are vibrating?

[Stookie_]

There aren't good and evil things in a religious context, where you get rewarded or punished. I would say there are real things like love, compassion, empathy, consideration, respect... not rules, but actual thoughts and feelings that exist, so obviously there can be a lack-of. Maybe there's no punishment, but no one gains anything if these go ignored.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Perspective adds a reference point.
A guy living in a slum will pick pockets and steal to survive.
Living there may not be his choice, being born into it. To him these bad actions means he lives another day. To him he's been having good luck. To him its good energy.
A guy living in a palace may have everything. His wellbeing is paid for by the state. This money comes from millions of people living on the breadline paying tax. They hate tax but respect those in the palace. In the palace he thinks himself higher than those who don't, hes a better person.
Who is in possession of good energy?

[NoY]

i think that people who don't know evil are like children in there mind,
if you spent more time helping the universes you would understand reality's more

does the world disappear when you close your eyes?

:NoY:

[Szaxx]

Hi,
For some it dissapears when they close their door.
For some it dissapears when they get their fix.
For a very few it opens a doorway to many other worlds.
I'd suggest thoughts on the latter. As a group we are here, hopefully looking for other worlds. Some have travelled many times in wonderment. Of these how many can say what is good or bad? At best these few have seen more than most and still not one speaks defining that which is good or bad. Even the very few who experienced the energy levels can't postulate this as fact. Its good to be there, no-one can say its not. That suggests its bad to be here in the physical reality. Then again, this reality has its own parameters based on its laws of existance. Still nothing points out whats good or bad.
The reference of frame of mind based upon life experience is all we have collectively to form a basis of a point of perspective to which the question can be answered. This is an individual reference point and as a result the question can't be definitively answered. This is why people group themselves sharing a common theme. This applies way beyond the physical experience we are sharing at this moment.
Don't we love perspectives? They can be good or bad can't they.

[lotuspaper]

I forgot to mention Karma. How can Karma exist if there is no good or bad as well? A serial killer may feel good when he kills his victims. To us, we see this as an awfully bad thing. To him, he may feel good and he gets positive energy from it.  But if there is no good or bad, and only experiences, then Karma wouldn't exist would it?

[Lionheart]

 Judge not lest ye be Judged!
Last night on Coast to Coast AM there were 3 different Psychics. One of those Psychics talked about communicating with people in the afterlife. He said we are here to learn and experience, but our next destination was the true Paradise. He said everyone went to the same area. George was confused by this and kept asking him what about the evil people, the terrorists, the serial killers etc. His guest said they too are in the same area. George could not understand this concept for the life of him, he kept on saying well they create hell here on others, why should they not be punished in the afterlife. His guest again said this world is all about experiencing and that people have a life purpose, George was baffled. His guest than spoke about a girl recently that died, but before she died she had a wish that water would be given to everyone that needed it. Those areas of drought all of a sudden got hit by rain, at times flooding rains. He said that this child's purpose was to bring attention and focus to a problem, the drought and that once she did, she left the earth. She had achieved her purpose for being here.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
I suppose adding karma to the equasion complicates things a little. Assumptions made on actions taken as its good or bad karma being generated again lie in respect of the individuals perspective.
Lions post above shows this quite clearly.
If nearly everyone was a malicious killer then killing more than others would be good to them. Again perspective is the base for this decision. Karma too would fall into this same perspective.
Look at a democratic society. Laws are made to protect citizens in many ways. These laws are always changing. This indicates the first law is good but the second or third is better.
In all of this system a progression is made. This progress is based on things being better or more good as time elapses.
What was good early on is bad when viewed from the perspective of several hundred years of progress.
This viewpoint is where the base decision is made to find the absolute value. Its one or the other with a minuscule of none.
We have wars and they are a bad thing as accepted generally. We are at war inside our bodies fighting infections. This war is good, again accepted generally.
Yes good and bad exist. Only in perspective.
I think in millions of years time more good for mankind could exist. That being said, we need to define whats bad now or we may fail totally.
The big picture get bigger enigmatically...

[lotuspaper]

I decided to email Mr. Ledwith about this and he responded! It makes more sense now. It's not about good or bad, it's about cause and effect. Gah I'm loving quantum physics more and more each day. Here is what he had to say:

"I said in What the Bleep basically that good and bad are too low a standard by which to assess ones actions.  Some professionals for example  make a living finding ways to avoid all the rules of good and bad.

The real law in the universe, if we can speak in such lofty terms, is the law of cause and effect.  The structure of reality is such that what I put out, either to myself or others, is going to come back to me, usually multiplied.  It is inexorable. That is just the way things are, just as the law of gravity is.

I am not saying there are not things that we can put under the label 'good' or "bad" obviously.  I am saying that in the long term what matters and what is the real reason for concern is to figure out what caused the so called good or bad, and what will be their result if we only understand them as good or bad.  There is no way to escape the law of cause and effect.

This is a much better context in which to understand how we live our lives and what we may expect as a consequence, either while still alive or afterwards. That is where the inexorable law of cause and effect comes in with a vengeance.  Much more concerning for us than broken down and obsolete ideas that try to understand reward or punishment after death.

Sincerely yours,

Miceal "

[Lionheart]

We have wars and they are a bad thing as accepted generally. We are at war inside our bodies fighting infections. This war is good, again accepted generally.

War is the ultimate proof of this theory. Both sides think they are doing the right thing as protecting their beliefs and their country. They kill in the the name of peace. But to themselves it's known as defending. They have to reason it this way to alleviate any guilt, which makes perfect sense.
Both sides think the other is the evil. Both sides think they are doing good by removing that evil.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Excellent, the choice is yours, in this case. Both sides are right. Their particular perspectives show the enemy as the baddie.
Take away their perspective totally. Now we view their war from a third person perspective. Guess what? This new perspective shows both sides are bad for warring in the first place. That decision doesn't take rocket science to work out.
Has anyone worked out where this is going?

[albinopolarbear]

In terms of the good/bad, right/wrong. I kind of look at it this way I when I was a child I was taught these things. I developed a perception problem, or a mind split to where I look at things as good or bad for me and doing right or wrong. Sometimes I desire something that I would perceive as good for me but I do wrong things to satisfy this desire. I agree with the idea that I do Wrong out of fear. To do right is something that I know is right, despite whether my inner dialogue is agreeing or not. This comes from a different depth. There is a difference to living from knowledge and knowing. I had read something interesting once. That the human race essentially is schizoprenic. If you look up the definitions, one wiil say to have a split mind. That doesn't neccesarily mean " someone pushing a cart around conversing w/ aliens" but rather a subtle form of schizophrenia where as everything is always perceived as "good or bad" rather than just as it is. Everything always gets labeled. Have you ever noticed how good/bad right/wrong can always be flipped to where what was originally thought as good can also be considered bad.This is one reason I have found meditation important for myself, so that I am not constantly judging, labeling. It is acceptance.

[Lionheart]

 Here is a video interview that was very well and professionally explained. In the video Part 2/5 he gets more into the belief of Good and Evil in the Afterlife. Michael has spent the better part of his life doing research on this and his opine comes as a result of many case studies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QDT58Q6Zxo