Not Even God.

[genep]

Not Even God.

There is a non-place that not even God can fathom
let alone enter, not even in "his" most wildest dreams.

This non-place is Modern Physics' Quantum-gap that somehow exists Timelessly between any of Physics' particles, like electrons.
If a person could find the impossible- miracle he would need to enter this non-place (which is between two of Physics' electrons) he would be in this non-place that Physics' calls the Quantum Gap -- a non-place where no particles can enter -- EVER, NOT EVEN if these particles were Gods... not even if these Gods could perform impossible-miracles. (All miracles, even impossible miracles, need a "place" to work, they cannot exist let alone work in a non-place. )

But if such an impossible-miracle allowed a person to go far beyond the gods and enter this non-place called Quantum Gap such a person would realize that in this non-place  there is NO Universe -- ANYWHERE.

Over 5000 years ago some Hindu Sages, around the Indus River in India, studied the way their thoughts appeared to work in effortless-meditation. In this study of thoughts they figured out this EXACT same non-place Physics calls its Quantum-gap.
These Hindu Sages called this same non-place Atman -- it was a non-place because not even gods can fathom it, let alone enter it -- NOT EVEN in their wildest dreams,
a "place" where there IS NO Universe -- ANYWHERE.

The Hindus called their study of thoughts that gave them their Advaita, otherwise Samadhi, the "Supreme Science." This Supreme Science is the Monism that has been handed down to us in a quagmire of pious dualistic words called Advaita.

The only apparent difference between the Monism of Modern Physics' Quantum Mechanics and the Monism of Advaita is the words. The exact same words that allows Physics to not only built its Universe but make it expand ... these exact same words can appear so different
that they make the exact same Universe vanish into the thoughts of Advaita

so that not even God can find it
not even in His most wildest dreams.

-- Really Reality.

[CFTraveler]

That's a very limited view of God, now isn't it?  But then again, I may be speaking out of place- after all this isn't the religion forum.

[N.M. Bachman]

This "Quantum Gap" is the vacuum where "virtual" particles are constantly appearing and disappearing, is it not?

I agree with CFTraveler. This seems to be indicating that "God" is a being/principle limited by space and time.

These Hindu Sages called this same non-place Atman

In Advaita Vedanta, the Atman is God!

N.M.

[Metaphysician]

Not Even God.

There is a non-place that not even God can fathom
let alone enter, not even in "his" most wildest dreams.

This non-place is Modern Physics' Quantum-gap that somehow exists Timelessly between any of Physics' particles, like electrons.
If a person could find the impossible- miracle he would need to enter this non-place (which is between two of Physics' electrons) he would be in this non-place that Physics' calls the Quantum Gap -- a non-place where no particles can enter -- EVER, NOT EVEN if these particles were Gods... not even if these Gods could perform impossible-miracles. (All miracles, even impossible miracles, need a "place" to work, they cannot exist let alone work in a non-place. )

But if such an impossible-miracle allowed a person to go far beyond the gods and enter this non-place called Quantum Gap such a person would realize that in this non-place  there is NO Universe -- ANYWHERE.


Over 5000 years ago some Hindu Sages, around the Indus River in India, studied the way their thoughts appeared to work in effortless-meditation. In this study of thoughts they figured out this EXACT same non-place Physics calls its Quantum-gap.
These Hindu Sages called this same non-place Atman -- it was a non-place because not even gods can fathom it, let alone enter it -- NOT EVEN in their wildest dreams,
a "place" where there IS NO Universe -- ANYWHERE.

The Hindus called their study of thoughts that gave them their Advaita, otherwise Samadhi, the "Supreme Science." This Supreme Science is the Monism that has been handed down to us in a quagmire of pious dualistic words called Advaita.

The only apparent difference between the Monism of Modern Physics' Quantum Mechanics and the Monism of Advaita is the words. The exact same words that allows Physics to not only built its Universe but make it expand ... these exact same words can appear so different
that they make the exact same Universe vanish into the thoughts of Advaita

so that not even God can find it
not even in His most wildest dreams.

-- Really Reality.

Hi ye all am new here I salute you!

God to be God must be God to something. God can not be God to nothing, for nothingness can witness about God
So who is God, God to? Cause presupposes and demands effect. God is God to himself? I think he is God to a spiritual universe that is ever inclusive. Thus an infinite variety but always ONE spiritual effect.

I think... LOL

-dave

[CFTraveler]

Hi Dave.

God to be God must be God to something. God can not be God to nothing for nothingness can witness about God

That's saying God needs something other than God to exist- cause and effect.  But God needs nothing to exist.  In fact God doesn't need to exist.  Cause and effect is a linear way to look at things, and modern science seems to be discovering that causality has no inherent reality.  So if causality has no inherent reality, then God can't be subordinate to causality.  You're saying God is a reflection of us- at least the way I'm understanding it.

[Urantia]

you guys (including me) have yet to understand the slightest concept of god..this is only one universe of the some infinite amount of worlds that has been created by his creators. To think god doesn't exsist in some "space" one of his creations has made...don't you think that if you know of this quantum "space" he hasn't heard about it? let only created it? he most like didn't create it probably one of his dwellers did but he has too much memory to not know something that is known to us.

[CFTraveler]

you guys (including me) have yet to understand the slightest concept of god..this is only one universe of the some infinite amount of worlds that has been created by his creators. To think god doesn't exsist in some "space" one of his creations has made...don't you think that if you know of this quantum "space" he hasn't heard about it? let only created it? he most like didn't create it probably one of his dwellers did but he has too much memory to not know something that is known to us.

As much as I like what you're saying you're still objectifying God. Once again subordinating God to causality.

[jub jub]

We can all hypothesize until the cows come home the fact remains, none of us really have a clue as to who, what or where God is!

Everyone feels they "know" god but, until you pass from this existence you will never know. 

[Embodied Words]

Maybe even after we pass on, we still won't know God. Like someone up there said, we don't know anything, all we're doing is hypothesizing.

[volcomstone]

what a silly arguement.  this is a forum on quantum physics, not the imagined abilities of a mystical being.  The quantum gap you refer to in akin to a node.  The electrons in orbit around an atom have probabilities that they'll exist at some time on either side of the node, but the probabilities of an electron exisiting inside the node "boundary" approaches negative infinity. 

    It's all math, which is a human concept and no doubt flawed.  It's a probability  asymptote (high school algebra). 

[healixe]

wrong topic

[loppoppy]

indeed this discussion no longer belongs here.

but as a little side note i thought i'd say. If people keep thinking that god is so impossible to reach and understand, then they are never going to be able to reach or understand it.