What is the Physical?

[Xanth]

http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/10/18/what-is-the-physical/

What follows is me just... thinking outloud. 

I was reading more of John Magnus' book last night, "Astral Projection and the Nature of Reality" and I got to the part where he's explaining what he feels the "Physical" is.  He also has it posted on his facebook group page too.

It really got me thinking about the wider reality and how the physical is situated within that reality and all of the connective layers therein.

What if this physical reality is nothing more than just another "astral environment".  Sure, this reality feels very solid, and it's very much more resistant to thought-changes, but in the end, this is just one large, collective astral environment created out of the energy of the nonphysical as a place to learn and experience.

In the near future, I predict that quantum mechanics or some other branch of science will end up figuring out that the base material that everything in this physical reality is comprised of is this astral/nonphysical energy.  Or, perhaps we could say... consciousness?

Then I got to asking myself what is the place that we dream, how does it connect and how do we enter this physical reality to begin with?  What is the nonphysical area of consciousness where we do our dreaming each night and where we "astral" project?  What if through this area we are connected to the collective consciousness area OUTSIDE of this physical reality.  Perhaps to exist within these physical bodies, we're required to kind of 'drill' our consciousness through the outside barrier connecting to these bodies using a 'tunnel' of sorts.  This tunnel is the "astral"... a thin strand of nonphysical reality that we pull into this physical reality that serves as a connection to the rest of the consciousness continuum.

What if we thought of the physical reality as being a balloon.  How would you place your consciousness within the balloon?  Well, there would be connecting points within the balloon already, we call them our "bodies"... then you would pierce your consciousness through the barrier of the balloon taking a small stream of nonphysical "connective" energy with you which would keep you linked to the collective consciousness.  You'd drill further into the balloon until you came into contact with your "body".

So then, once our physical bodies die... this strand of nonphysical "connective" energy would retract back to the astral, hence removing the "dream" area permanently.  We would have no need of this "astral tunnel" after the fact.  However, would it then be possible to perhaps, albeit temporarily, push our way through that barrier just to visit this physical reality as, say, what people would refer to as a "ghost"?

So, it makes sense to me that this entire physical reality is simply an astral construct.  A construct that is comprised of the base material of the nonphysical reality.  I mean, as we try to break down matter, we find that it's less and less dense the deeper we go.  How far down the rabbit hole does it go exactly?

Any of this make any sense? 

[NoY]

"Life is but a dream"

I agree with you xanth the world is far more liquid than we realise

:NoY:

[personalreality]

I'll second the premise.

[Stookie]

What if this physical reality is nothing more than just another "astral environment".  Sure, this reality feels very solid, and it's very much more resistant to thought-changes, but in the end, this is just one large, collective astral environment created out of the energy of the nonphysical as a place to learn and experience.

(In Homer Simpson's voice): "That's what I've been trying to tell you!"

For real though, the entire physical is more than just what we call "the physical", it's etheric & astral as well. It's all one unit of consciousness. In the end, consciousness is the only thing you can call "real". If a person doesn't come to this experience, they're going to be searching "out there" for answers to reality when it's right in front of them all the time. All the astral projection in the world won't help.

In the near future, I predict that quantum mechanics or some other branch of science will end up figuring out that the base material that everything in this physical reality is comprised of is this astral/nonphysical energy.  Or, perhaps we could say... consciousness?

Quantum physics pretty much already has. There is a lot of evidence that points to an illusory reality. People aren't enamored by it because the science is over most people's heads.

And overall, not many want to believe that their lives aren't what they thought they were. It's ego-crushing.

[Xanth]

And overall, not many want to believe that their lives aren't what they thought they were. It's ego-crushing.

I can totally understand that!

Although, for me it's the exact opposite... it's driving me to learn more and more.  LoL

[Stookie]

Exactly! It's my driving force as well. I mean, once your ego gets smashed to bits, you don't have a lot else to lose.

[CFTraveler]

Quantum physics pretty much already has. There is a lot of evidence that points to an illusory reality. People aren't enamored by it because the science is over most people's heads.

I love this.

[Xanth]

So, the physical *IS* the non physical.

What you think about it in that way... it really changes your entire outlook on life.

For me, it changes from a struggle... to a pure learning experience.

[Stookie]

What you think about it in that way... it really changes your entire outlook on life.

Yeah, you can prioritize a little more clearly. With that perspective, a life focused completely on work and making money and retirement is a wasted life. I mean, if you're going to "wake up" eventually, that stuff is worthless. They may lead to worthwhile experiences, but in themselves, worthless.

[personalreality]

haven't the buddhists and such been telling us that for years?

it is certainly a different story when you feel it instead of know it.

[Killa Rican]

John Magnus is the man! That book has lead me to this forum a few years back! 

[Xanth]

Well, now you can talk to THE MAN personally!

Come join his Forums!
http://www.johnmagnus.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl
and
Facebook group!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/John-Magnus-Astral-Projection-and-the-Nature-of-Reality/152905561406506

[personalreality]

ALL THANKS TO PR!!!

BOW TO YOUR GOD!!!!!

[TheLight]

So, the physical *IS* the non physical.

What you think about it in that way... it really changes your entire outlook on life.

When you can actually SEE IT as non physical , its even better!

You can actually see energy around people and objects, see the energy going into and around your body while doing energy work.. you can see what some people call the etheric, "fabric of existence" , whatever u wanna call it.. but you can see the energy/light particles in the air moving itself.

When you've built up enough energy.. and with the right energy work.. you can see and perceive all this with your 3rd eye.

Seeing the physical as non-physical is very normal for some people. In everyday waking life.

[Xanth]

Well, let's take this one step further then...
http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/11/02/the-physical-is-an-astral-environment/

In the non-physical what we think becomes reality, any stray thought that comes to mind will instantly come into being in full technicolour 3D right in front of your non-physical eyes. Now, what if I said that this also happens here in the Physical as well?

Take instances of hauntings where items are flung around the room... is that some outside force doing the flinging or is it the person in the room doing the flinging and not realizing that their subconscious thoughts are initiating this reaction?
What about supposed miracles that happen throughout the world? People with Terminal Diseases suddenly and for inexplicable reasons being cured permanently. Is this really a miracle? Or the person healing themselves by subconsciously desiring AND believing it.
And there are more unexplained instances, like that of people lifting cars and trucks to free loved ones trapped beneath... the list goes on and on.

What if these acts we think are coming from outside of us are actually coming FROM WITHIN US. This would mean that our thoughts DO have a direct impact upon our physical reality and what we experience. What if the trick isn't simply believing it? What if the trick was going BEYOND believing and stepping into KNOWING?

It's just a thought.

[CFTraveler]

That's how I see the world.  The physical is thought- responsive, but not in the same as the astral- that is because the wavelengths are much longer in the so-called physical end of the spectrum, and this makes the uncertainty principle almost nonexistent (note I said nonexistent).  So manifestation takes time and space to happen, but it does happen.

[personalreality]

from my practices it seems like we use thought to affect the astral which in turn affects the physical.  it's like the aboriginal dreamtime, all of physical reality is spawned from the dreamtime.  so a shaman who is skilled in working with and in the dreamtime can more easily manipulate the physical by going to the dreamtime.

personally, when i perform any kind of ritual i acknowledge that the physical tools are just symbolic of astral energy forms.  for example, i may perform a ritual with a piece of quartz.  it's not necessarily the physical piece of quartz as much as the astral energy that is symbolized by quartz that does the work.

[Xanth]

To take that a bit further... I have a theory about these Ghost Hunting shows on tv.

My theory is that the hunters themselves are the ones subconsciously manifesting the "evidence" that they find.

I'd actually love to do an experiment...
Basically, I'd like to outfit a team with something that monitors their brainwaves... then as evidence is "found", I'd like to correlate the time they found it with what brainwaves they were outputting at the time.  My hope is that there would be some clear spike or dip during that point in time.

Might be interesting.

[personalreality]

do they make portable brainwave monitors?

[CFTraveler]

To take that a bit further... I have a theory about these Ghost Hunting shows on tv.

My theory is that the hunters themselves are the ones subconsciously manifesting the "evidence" that they find.

I'd actually love to do an experiment...
Basically, I'd like to outfit a team with something that monitors their brainwaves... then as evidence is "found", I'd like to correlate the time they found it with what brainwaves they were outputting at the time.  My hope is that there would be some clear spike or dip during that point in time.

Might be interesting.

I always think that when they get EVPs- it seems that the 'voices' could be one of their hunters' thoughts.  Especially when they go to a foreign country and the 'spirits'  say something in English.
It seems to me that if EVPs are some sort of disturbance in the electrical matrix, perhaps the living person's thoughts could be (at least) amongst the ones that are recorded that way.

I'm not sure about the practicality of being wired while doing a hunt (especially in the field, seems cumbersome) but I'd like for a 'control' person to write a series of words down, and then think them on purpose while doing the hunt, and see if they come about in the results.
How about that, Ghost Hunters, if you're reading this?  Do you think you can oblige us?  It would mean a lot to some of us.  I know it's not 'scientific' or 'foolproof', since only you know if you thought the words, but it would be one more criteria to use as a debunking method.

[OutOfThePrison]

I think every physical object is a reflection of a thought, just like the whole physical universe is the reflection of the Astral. For example, vomiting means purifying yourself from the negtive energy, negative thoughts. I drank Ayahuasca and when I was vomiting, I could openly see that I was throwing snakes, horrfying, disgusting entities from my mouth-LOL. That is the negative energy, negative thoughts.

[TofuAttack]

I see the physical like a playpark for kids with big fences, and few toys. The rest is outta bounds, unless you're a naughty kid who learnt how to sneak out 

[personalreality]

so we're being 'naughty' by learning to project?

[G.Blaze]

this forum keeps blowing my mind ! thank you for sharing all this information and opinions guys and gals !
(also free bump for this super interesting thread)

[Summerlander]

Interesting thread.

I don't have much to say because I've already said everything a thousand times before! LOL!

Recently though, I had a massive debate with someone who is very stubborn and very ignorant. All along I was trying to make him consider other viewpoints while he revelled in his ignorance and stuck to his flimsy belief system due to his bias and his desire to remain comfortable!

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16130

If you care to read the whole thread, I'm pretty sure that I mention somewhere that, regardless of what the true nature of the physical realm is, it is still very real! Even if on a subatomic level it appears to be a non-material nature, the rules on the macro level are clear and the experience of it makes it real. In fact we make it real and we labelled it "real". There you go.