wow. whats it going to be next.

[Awakened_Mind]

Agreed. Things need to display some type of pattern or underlying governing principles that can be expressed mathematically. However I think that simplicity and clarity aren't definite through time. For example, Einsteins theory of relativity wasn't clear a thousand years ago. So I'd assume the same for future knowledge as well. I don't see truth as something that keeps evading our perception, I see it more that we have not yet evolved enough to percieve.

Raises a question, at the highest level of truth, does mathematics still hold strong?

-AM

[Sharpe]

I believe so because most of everything is build on a number, if there's a certain ammount of matter in the universe this would mean that somethings are limited, except the idea of infinity, which is impossible because you can take the highest number, and make a short cut and call it X, if you add 1+X you will be above the number. This made mathematician Georg Cantor mad.
What freaks me out is that logic stops at infinity.
But what's still logic with numbers is that... they are only numbers.
The idea of numbers is still human, which would solve the infinity problem.
There is no infinity, because humans made numbers.

I think what you said is correct about our knowledge of the universe being limited.
There are a few things we just can't know like the reason of existence, but we may find out by math.
Now, I don't know a huge ammount of math but someone else does, as long as there are scientists in that field we will find out something little by little of our known existence.
And ofc there should be a reason, but maybe the reason is that it's too simple, either there's something, or there's not.

It just annoys me that we humans are more or less made for an ecological system, that's probably why evolution is there.
Because I just don't see any reason for us to be here.

[greggkroodsma]

Well I mean more in terms of the development of the frontal lobe which is responsible for higher abilities such as problem solving. I'm a Psychology student at uni and I haven't yet heard anything about the pituitary gland shriking. Niether for the milk, the theory sounds plausible but I haven't heard anything on that either. Where did you read it?

I was talking more about mental development. I'd say telepathy is around the corner as well. The future to me isn't just clearer t.v pictures and more space on you iPod. It's teeming with new mental abilities on a collective scale.

-AM

Mental development.  What causes you to be able to shut your eyes and see your thoughts?  I can do that when I'm sleeping.  What cause you to be able to 'see' your thoughts, travel inside the thoughts, even go to places that you remember?  Make you think you are APing?  Where is this thing that APs and has an OBE?  What contacts it?  This is not University subject study I don't think.  What causes animals to recognize their own kind?  What causes couples to be drawn together? 

I think it is the pineal gland.  And I think the pineal gland was a lot bigger back when we ate no meat.  And it's probably getting smaller because of eating the meat.

Sharpe,
Nature has a number and it is called by somebody 'The Fibonacci Sequence.'   Everything in nature, as far as blooms of trees, seed pods, etc. has this number.
http://www.mathacademy.com/pr/prime/articles/fibonac/

As for what is next, we could speculate using something like the Fibonacci Sequence since the mind of man is part of nature.
See, Nature has a way of protecting itself by inner development and Nature has a way of eliminating the causes of things that are out of sequence.  Are the planets and suns part of Nature?  I think they are just as much as this earth is natural; there's just more of certain natural things like oxygen and carbon here and if you think we are from the stars thats more of a reason to believe that the outer planets and suns are part of Nature.  Yes Sharpe, man did make up the symbols to represent numbers, but nature made the sequence. 

If we used something like the Fibonacci sequence to determine what's next, we would have to segregate the developments of the mind into the sequence and look at the potentials for reproduction.  But we would have to skew the results to include all of the inventions of man as far as the hormones, the sex drugs, the medications, etc.  All of this is dumbing us down.  It is more of a retarding element.  And yes, there are organs that are shrinking like the appendix and there are organs that will disappear in thousands of years or so like the gall bladder. 

I think the pineal gland, the 'third-eye,' is disappearing and Nature is trying to save it by generating more interest in psychic development.  But psychic development goes hand in hand with body development because the psychic development is more geared to the energy body and the nervous system makes this energy body.   

[Sharpe]

The sequence may be something amazing but so is the sequence of atoms in molecules.
The fact will stay in my belief that the sequence of nature has no infinity but yet numbers created by men have infinity.

I think the fibonacci sequence can't figure out the future of evolution though, just maybe the program of life.

[Embodied Words]

I read this article that people that have their appendixes taken out arn't as good at math... yeah...

[Awakened_Mind]

Mental development.  What causes you to be able to shut your eyes and see your thoughts?  I can do that when I'm sleeping.  What cause you to be able to 'see' your thoughts, travel inside the thoughts, even go to places that you remember?  Make you think you are APing?  Where is this thing that APs and has an OBE?  What contacts it?  This is not University subject study I don't think.  What causes animals to recognize their own kind?  What causes couples to be drawn together? 

You don't see you thoughts, you hear them, you see your imagination. Well an OBE I suppose is something that individuals distinctly separate from dreams. Whether these higher dimensions we say we travel to are with or without merit, it's definitely curious why we say they are experientially different. Skeptics to me are just bashing their head on a wall.

Telepathy is basically using a visual medium to convey information rather than acoustic.

As for couples and animals recognising themselves, what has that got to do with anything? Those are questions you could start a new thread on. No one really knows the answer. I certainly don't.

How would we ever get to the crux of is the issue in an ocean of opinions? It has to be studied in University and already is in parapsychology. The evidence, skepticism and consensus on what is what is imperative if we are to get anywhere.

-AM

[iNNERvOYAGER]

A future technology I'd like to see would be a dream, experience recorder that can be reviewed the next morning.

I think the difficulty in achieving this is up there with teleportation of physical matter and warp drive.

[Awakened_Mind]

Well we are acutally already teleporting physical matter. The problem is it's rematerialisation on the otherside. This is the whole practicality of teleportation.

The idea of a dream recoder interests me, somehow meaning would have to be converted into data. There are elements to dreams that you don't see but you feel. At least in mine anyway. For example, I may know that my friend is behind my 'dream self' even when I have not diretly seen him/her in the dream experience.

-AM

[iNNERvOYAGER]

Right, perhaps beginning with the recording of visual and auditory,

then eventually thoughts and emotional nuances, starting to sound scary.

[Awakened_Mind]

Well it depends on what you believe the world to be made up of I suppose. Some consider it atoms and quarks but others consider it to be information or language. So from that perspective emotions and thoughts are simply higher information and more complex language. Our interaction with language, is clearly not developed enough.

-AM