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tides2dust

Well. Our glitch in the matrix thread started delving into the nature of God, I think we were just skimming the waters.

If this topic is off-putting for members, please note I am not here to challenge your belief system. I just want to share a fun practice and some ideas about humanities destiny.

I just heard something earlier tonight, God(through us) is realizing God.

It was very fitting for all topics I've been engaged in lately. I think we share a collective Destiny- a thought I had tonight was... If we are one, perhaps there will come a time and age where we realize in greater numbers our One-ness. What would our status be, on an evolutionary scale, as a planet if every individual was awake to our one-ness. Would it bring us into a higher plane of existence or draw us closer to the Source/Paradise? Would we be granted the, "galactic citizenry" others say await us??? 

Just having fun with thought.

But really the fun practice I wanted to share, and to bring it back to the title of this thread.

I met a Himalayan monk and in his most recent discourse he presented this idea of treating God as the child- as if you were the loving parent.

With my belief God is everywhere, in all things- I tried doing this. It was amazing how quickly I was pulled out of fight or flight- how much more understanding would come my way when treating the Human-drama-sojourn with the Love a parent has for a child. Protecting God, Caring for God, Nurturing God.

It's not that I am saying I have it figured out and am that well qualified... But just try the practice if you ever want it's amazing how much more receptive it makes you to the world around you.

In our previous thread we discussed ways we share our relationship with God. We call God the Beloved, we are Gods children, students- and so I see no harm in imagining ones self as God or even, as the Parent of God. I understand there is a difference between imagining and Knowing-

In my case, I briefly tried imagining I was a parental figure for God but after about a week I was ready to stop and allow God to replenish my reserves.  :-D I had to fall on Him for guidance realizing my little self could not keep up as it tried navigating its baser impulses and egoic or more selfish tendencies.

But the reason for my sharing- This practice helped me feel as if the world around me was elevated from Fear/Distrust to... Tenderness and Kind heartedness.

There are many ways we share and have our relationship with ~all that is~

 :-)  If we are One, we should be interested in the welfare of our Brothers/Sisters.

LightBeam

#1
Great post, Tides! That shows how all of us have so many points of view and experience things differently. The infinite diversity of the multiverse enriches the overall experience.

Existence is so fascinating and so cleverly designed. God as expression questioning its own validity :)
The illusionary fragmentation and multidimensionality of consciousness is so convoluted. I do understand it somehow, at least form my point of view. I look at everything from the highest point of view. The View of All That Is at its entirety. Since I realized that I am God having a human experience and so is everything that exists, I became a different person. I feel divine and strong at all time. I am in a state of gratitude at all time. I smile just sitting still for no apparent reason, just knowing who and what I am. My whole being is overflowing with joy continuously, feeling one with everything. I know my own power. I feel capable of helping others. I react to challenges differently with a positive attitude and always understand the reasons and the lessons. And my challenges now feel more like adventures and exciting opportunities. And most of all I feel unconditional love towards everything. With unconditional love, there is no room for resentment, judgment, anger, disappointment, greed, jealousy. I understand why things happen in the world the way they happen. I can see everyone's roles, the purposes and how the games are played out. And all this is because I have lifted way above the 3D character, even bypassing the higher self, going straight to the mountain top. There is nothing complicated, just as simple as The One is the All and The All are the One.

When I was little I remember telling the pastor and the people from church "But Jesus was a teacher. He was God, yes, but he wanted us to remember who we are and become like him, like God, because we are God, but our power is dormant unless we know we are God. Jesus is our equal.
I think they wanted to exercise demons out of me haha

We exist as the entirety of all ALWAYS. The Illusion of fragmentation is created by veils. Put a few veils and everything disappears from view and awareness but a fragment. But that "fragment" that is cloaked is still its original thing. It does not go to a separate place away from its entirety, it never becomes anything separate. Remove a veil and the awareness of its entirety becomes visible. Everything is aways there. This is where the concept of illusion comes to play. One veil and you are a higher self/larger entity, put another veil over the first and you are a character, put another veil over and you are a cluster of cells, put another veil over and you are a subatomic particle, and so on and so forth. Start removing veils and at some point you remove as many to shed a physical vehicle. But may be still a few veils left where when you die physically you experience from the perspective of a higher self. You may put over another veil to become different character. And the journey continues through simulated time/space. When the last veil is removed you are aware of your entirety of All That Is, and that is the highest point of view of true timelessness with no beginning and no end, where everything exists in one infinite moment.  Then you decide to dive again into characters to experience the thrill of rediscovery, and so on and so forth for infinity. Isn't that exciting :)
"The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem."
Captain Jack Sparrow

Adrian

Excellent post Tides.

Absolutely, for all the extensive and interesting discussions on the true nature of God, it is surely our relationship with, and how we experience God, Source, that really matters. And as for:

QuoteIf we are One, we should be interested in the welfare of our Brothers/Sisters.

As Jesus said - "Love thy neighbour as thyself"

We should extend this to all creation, to include, animals, plant life, nature, the environment etc, all of which are part of us and are One with.



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Vincit Omnia Veritas

Frostytraveler

#3
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"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

tides2dust

Hi guys,

Frosty- what happened? I would have valued your insight. I hope you are okay.

Thanks to all who did reply. LightBeam, I am vaguely remembering a story now after reading Autobiography of a Yogi about Babaji becoming so aware he dematerialized his body by will.

I'll have to dig for it... But here's a similar chapter I could find more readily...
Quote"'Brother', I said, 'the beauty of this structure surpasses the bounds of human imagination. Please explain to me the mystery of its origin.'

"'I will gladly enlighten you'. My companion's dark eyes sparkled with wisdom. 'There is nothing inexplicable about this materialization. The whole cosmos is a projected thought of the Creator. The heavy clod of the earth, floating in space, is a dream of God's. He made all things out of His mind, even as man in his dream consciousness reproduces and vivifies a creation with its creatures.

"'The Lord first formed the earth as an idea. He quickened it; atomic energy and then matter came into being. He coordinated earth atoms into a solid sphere. All its molecules are held together by the will of God. When He withdraws His will, all earth atoms will be transformed into energy. Atomic energy will return to its source: consciousness. The earth idea will disappear from objectivity.

"'The substance of a dream is held in materialization by the subconscious thought of the dreamer. When that cohesive thought is withdrawn in wakefulness, the dream and its elements dissolve. A man closes his eyes and erects a dream creation, which, on awakening, he effortlessly dematerializes. He follows the divine archetypal pattern. Similarly, when he awakens in cosmic consciousness, he effortlessly dematerializes the illusion of a cosmic-dream universe.

"'In tune with the infinite all-accomplishing Will, Babaji is able to command the elemental atoms to combine and manifest themselves in any form. This golden palace, instantaneously brought into being, is real - in the same sense that the Earth is real. Babaji created this beautiful mansion out of his mind and holding its atoms together by the power of his will, even as God's thought created the earth and His will maintains it.' He added, 'When this structure has served its purpose, Babaji will dematerialize it.'

"As I remained silent in awe, my guide made a sweeping gesture. 'This shimmering palace, superbly embellished with jewels, has not been built by human effort; its gold and gems were not laboriously mined. It stands solidly, a monumental challenge to man. Whoever realized himself as a son of God, even as Babaji has done, can reach any goal by the infinite powers hidden within him. A common stone secretly contains stupendous atomic energies; even so, the lowliest mortal is a powerhouse of Divinity."
https://ascension-research.org/palace.html

I read something similar in the UB... That is... This planet is maintained by Gods Will. If he were to withdraw, it would all collapse. This chapter says it would all revert back to energy. 

Frostytraveler

I'm fine Tides. Thanks for asking. 🙂 The God subject is such a sensitive topic for me that I really want to be careful for my own personal reasons and not to offend anybody else as well. My post and video linked may ruffle some feathers, and I really don't want to be "that guy" that does so. I tried to be very neutral and lay a non controversial foundation, but in the end thought it might be best to remove it for now.

"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

tides2dust

I understand, and am glad you are feeling ok. I also hope not to make you uncomfortable by creating these threads. I believe God loves us all, and is happy for any step we take practicing, desiring and understanding Love.

Frostytraveler

#7
I am not uncomfortable with the creation of threads on this subject. I find the topic highly interesting and I certainly enjoy reading about all the different viewpoints. Perhaps, for some reason, I am more tentative to post on this subject publicly though. 

Quote from: tides2dust on October 27, 2024, 20:18:31I believe God loves us all, and is happy for any step we take practicing, desiring and understanding Love.


This is what I have experienced...unconditional love, understanding and comfort that is not comparable to anything in the physical world.
"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

Adrian

#8
Quote from: tides2dust on October 27, 2024, 19:46:24"'Brother', I said, 'the beauty of this structure surpasses the bounds of human imagination. Please explain to me the mystery of its origin.'

"'I will gladly enlighten you'. My companion's dark eyes sparkled with wisdom. 'There is nothing inexplicable about this materialization. The whole cosmos is a projected thought of the Creator. The heavy clod of the earth, floating in space, is a dream of God's. He made all things out of His mind, even as man in his dream consciousness reproduces and vivifies a creation with its creatures.

"'The Lord first formed the earth as an idea. He quickened it; atomic energy and then matter came into being. He coordinated earth atoms into a solid sphere. All its molecules are held together by the will of God. When He withdraws His will, all earth atoms will be transformed into energy. Atomic energy will return to its source: consciousness. The earth idea will disappear from objectivity.

"'The substance of a dream is held in materialization by the subconscious thought of the dreamer. When that cohesive thought is withdrawn in wakefulness, the dream and its elements dissolve. A man closes his eyes and erects a dream creation, which, on awakening, he effortlessly dematerializes. He follows the divine archetypal pattern. Similarly, when he awakens in cosmic consciousness, he effortlessly dematerializes the illusion of a cosmic-dream universe.

"'In tune with the infinite all-accomplishing Will, Babaji is able to command the elemental atoms to combine and manifest themselves in any form. This golden palace, instantaneously brought into being, is real - in the same sense that the Earth is real. Babaji created this beautiful mansion out of his mind and holding its atoms together by the power of his will, even as God's thought created the earth and His will maintains it.' He added, 'When this structure has served its purpose, Babaji will dematerialize it.'

"As I remained silent in awe, my guide made a sweeping gesture. 'This shimmering palace, superbly embellished with jewels, has not been built by human effort; its gold and gems were not laboriously mined. It stands solidly, a monumental challenge to man. Whoever realized himself as a son of God, even as Babaji has done, can reach any goal by the infinite powers hidden within him. A common stone secretly contains stupendous atomic energies; even so, the lowliest mortal is a powerhouse of Divinity."
https://ascension-research.org/palace.html


Thanks for this interesting and profound quote Tides, which could be a whole discussion topic in itself, and perhaps should be.

There is the biblical passage:

QuoteSo God created man in his own image

Which has long and generally been taken to mean that God has an anthropomorphic human-like form, residing "up there" somewhere above creation. What this passage would actually read in modern language is "So God created man in his own imagination", i.e. as an "idea". We were created from God in the absolute and Divine likeness of God, as God. The same creative power that brought the entire universe into being, is within every human being, which is also what the passage quoted by Tides refers to.

It is also notable that almost every religion and spiritual tradition espouses the same truth that we are One with God, Source:

Buddhism: "Look within, thou art Buddha".

Vedanta, part of Hinduism: "Atman (individual Consciousness) and Brahman (Universal Consciousness) are one".

Upanishads, part of Hinduism: "By understanding the self, all this Universe is known".

Yoga, part of Hinduism: "God dwells within you as you".

Confucianism: "Heaven, Earth and human are of one body".

Islam: "Those who know themselves know their God".

Christianity: "On that day, you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you". -- John 14:20

Christianity: "Behold, the kingdom of Heaven is within you". -- Luke 17:21

Christianity: "I and the Father are One". -- John 10:30

Note: In the last passage, Jesus said - "I and The Father are One". Not I and my Father are One. This subtle difference is due to the truth that we all share the Same Father, with Whom we are All One.
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Vincit Omnia Veritas

tides2dust

I'm glad you like the quote, it was taken from a book called Autobiography of a Yogi. It's one of the only books I have been so entranced by, and brought to tears as I read of the incredible people and experiences Yogananda met in his life time.

LightBeam

If we agree that everything is One, then what we perceive as hierarchy on expression level is a simulation. Everything is truly equal and equally valid and it exists as One(no beginning and no end). Again, I am bypassing the entire compartmentalization and zooming out straight to the highest point of view.
"The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem."
Captain Jack Sparrow

tides2dust

#11
And it is OK to believe otherwise. It's like you said, there are an innumerable ways to experience *God. And neither is more right than the other. I have noticed that Spirit has never judged me in a way that would deny me for my interest or lack thereof with any subject. No, because Truth is Living- In fact, that Living Intelligence speaks to me through whatever my interest or *alignment is at any point in time.

For me, it's ok for you to claim your Godhood. You said Christ was sent here as an example- a way to show the potential and deeper Reality of our experience. I would agree. I also believe that the majority of us, no matter how we choose to share and experience with God share a similar understanding on the nature of God- yes, even those who do not acknowledge a God or those who believe in something completely different form ourselves are on par with that understanding.

Unless we can dematerialize by will, or levitate, or teleport an entire group of people from one physical setting to another- I think we are on pretty equal footing. I only know of two people that could dematerialize their physical bodies through Will power.
Christ and Babaji.
Babaji has been known to teleport his devotees as well.

"Whoever realized himself as a son of God, even as Babaji has done, can reach any goal by the infinite powers hidden within him. A common stone secretly contains stupendous atomic energies; even so, the lowliest mortal is a powerhouse of Divinity."

Although, it is a sad affair when we are so proud of our beliefs that we isolate others and potentially miss a wonderful Opportunity which could only be orchestrated by Divine Providence. An immediate example I can give is this- I live in the USA. Here people boast their political candidates and ideologies with yard signs and flags. There's nothing wrong with it. But I've seen people so absorbed by their political affiliation that they've completely disregarded their fellow man/woman for having a different opinion. Now lets think of all the times people have treated each other poorly for being different. I do not believe we are meant to be so cold hearted to those we disagree with. I do believe Gods Providence prevails, and that God is very patient with us here in this 3D school house. But I know the moment we recognize what's more important, the sooner we enliven our Spirit and even step into that greater truth many of you have discovered.

For me, it does come in handy(at times) to see God as the child and your self as a loving parent. Because you look at something you disagree with and learn to speak to it from a place of Love, or see things with a compassionate Heart because you know deep within any particular form God is there. The very same God who guides(teaches) you, provides for you and dances with you as you evolve your own personality.

I recognize that I still have so much more growing up to do, my personal experience shows me that God *is helping me grow. The relationship is becoming that much more real lately it's been profound. So it's kind of a trip when you think of that Divine Love- The ***Intelligent Guiding Force as a child, how much love would you give the thing that has been so loving to you all your lives??? 

I believe what matters most, is not how you presently align with your ideas about God but that you are attempting to practice your ideal- in turn, making God a reality. My cousin is an atheist, but I watch her practice the things she believes in and therefore I see the sincere efforts she takes in making God a reality. There may come a time when her belief about a Loving Guiding Force changes.

The ways we define form are just that- definitions and not the Wisdom that comes from a Living Spirit. If I acknowledge God as an infinite Being then I respect creation enough to allow it the freedom and joy of (seeming) individuation. 

I believe that's partly why I'm here. I can say with certainty, I do not have it all figured out.

~~~ <3 <3 ~~~

Frostytraveler

I so agree, that God is an infinite being, a living spirit, the creator of everything that is. The spark of God, through the Holy Spirit is in each of us, which allows us to find and connect with God once our light is bright enough.
"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

LightBeam

I apologize if my opinion appears too strong. It comes from unconditional love and wish that everyone can feel what I feel, which is truly indescribable and my mind even feels too small to hold such intense love and feeling of self power. But, I understand that everyone has their own ways.

When I was 6-7 years old, I could not understand why there was so much suffering. My little heart was broken and I felt such compassion towards everyone, that one night I decided that I would offer my soul to whoever was the creator of all this. I was willing to be locked for eternity somewhere, but in exchange the one with the ultimate power to remove all pain forever. I was going to be content although sacrificed and alone, if I knew that everyone else was happy. Well, back then these thoughts were the result of a pure child's mind and the impulse to help, the feel of unconditional love towards everything and everyone. I now understand existence and the reasons for everything. But my unconditional love still remains and my actions are always driven by it.
"The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem."
Captain Jack Sparrow

Frostytraveler

#14
Quote from: LightBeam on October 28, 2024, 22:32:01When I was 6-7 years old, I could not understand why there was so much suffering. My little heart was broken and I felt such compassion towards everyone, that one night I decided that I would offer my soul to whoever was the creator of all this. I was willing to be locked for eternity somewhere, but in exchange the one with the ultimate power to remove all pain forever. I was going to be content although sacrificed and alone, if I knew that everyone else was happy. Well, back then these thoughts were the result of a pure child's mind and the impulse to help, the feel of unconditional love towards everything and everyone. I now understand existence and the reasons for everything. But my unconditional love still remains and my actions are always driven by it.

Is this not a state of Christ Consciousness? Your young mind was attempting to do what Jesus was said to do for humanity, sacrifice himself so that we may grow. Interesting.

We have learned so much from you LB, your passion/love to share that which you have learned and experienced is boundless. Much of it aligns very well, but of course some experiences may not based on our own individual path. We all never stop learning, and it will be interesting to see where this journey leads for all of us.
"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

Adrian

#15
I would like to apologise if my contributions seem to have not respected the individual personal beliefs of everyone here,

At the final analysis, while our true nature and human relationship with God should not be overlooked, ultimately it is how we personally experience and relate to God that really matters, which is ultimately through Divine, Unconditional Love.

This passage from the bible summarises Love very well.

QuoteIf I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient, love is kind.
It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
It does not dishonour others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love never fails.
But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.
When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child.
When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.
For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face.
Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

And now these three remain: Faith, Hope and Love. But the greatest of these is LOVE.
-- 1 Corinthians 13
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Vincit Omnia Veritas

Frostytraveler

#16
Thank you for your post Adrian. The quote from Corinthians is very powerful. My most moving spiritual experiences comprise of a deep sense of unconditional love. That is the common theme and lesson for my spiritual growth, without question.

I very much am interested in deep spiritual discussions, especially as my experiences continue to grow. If one's viewpoint feels quickly dismissed in absolute terms, then the likelihood of contribution lessens. As mentioned, all our experiences and paths are unique to us as individuals, and none of us know all thing's absolutely (until we are deceased and permanently in spirit). Discussions are good for everybody, even ones with differing views, because in the end we all grow from it, one way or the other.
"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

tides2dust

Good morning all! I hope you don't think I was talking to *you or *you or *you or *me specifically.  :-D No I believe everyone here is being very cordial, I only made example using generality. To me I believe everyone participating here respects each other! I wanted this conversation, and it is very exciting to participate!

Yes- the individual relationship with God is *unique and therefore, Cherished!! Some people still don't believe they share a unique relationship with God, and that's ok too. But I really believe despite the billions upon billions of lives and forms moving around us- each one has a special relationship with the Lord.

LB- what an Incredible experience you had. It reminds me of one of the stories about the peacock angel, that this being was thrown into an abyss and as a result was made more compassionate. His tears brought vegetation to Earth.

Growing up I feel I had memories shared with a Fallen Angel. I never considered them to be shared memories until later years, I thought maybe I did something and was a part of the fallen angel group dynamic. The peacock angel, a being I discovered in relation to my self discovery-journey, is also somehow connected to this very human lore of the fallen angels. But I do not believe it is the correct understanding(for me).

However, it makes me wonder how many of us share *similar feelings and whether or not those *ideas are shared with the consciousness of our host planet???
Does it make sense? We are all a part of and share a particular energy in this very specific region of time/space-

Love & Light to my new and wonderful friends here at the AP!

Frostytraveler

#18
It's interesting to see how scientists (physicists, astrophysicists and astronomers) rationalize that God does not exist. Sad when you think about it. It's not that they do not sound rational on its face, but many lack an open mind and clearly haven't looked within to pursue their own spiritual development. Incidentally today on the YouTube video thread I posted a physicist with the polar opposite view, which is becoming more common these days.


"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

Frostytraveler

"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

LightBeam

#20
"God is not a man. If anything ,God would have been a woman" LOL. I love Dolores!
"The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem."
Captain Jack Sparrow