Grey Aliens and Harvesting of Souls

[Alex-Anderson]

I listened to a podcast by Jim Harold this week (The Paranormal Podcast) interviewing Nigel Kerner and discussing his new book called 'Grey Aliens and Harvesting of Souls'.
 
In the book Nigel Kerner reveals that the greys are sophisticated biological robots created by a civilisation that they have long outlived, and they are seeking to master death by obtaining something that they do not have which human's possess – souls.
 
His theory definitely stands out different from the usual crowd, and initially I found it quite captivating – although not too convincing. On his website there are several links to further podcasts about his new book (which I'm listening too).
 
I have read several books on the UFO/Abduction phenomena, as well as OBE's/Astral Projections and my personal belief system tends to lean towards there being a common link between what we label as the paranormal. But despite his theory coming from a different angle on the UFO/Abduction subject, from the interviews I have listened too, I still find it hard to buy into. 
 
Has anyone read this book yet, or his previous books, or come across his theory yet elsewhere?  
 
Interviews: http://www.nigelkerner.com/Interviews.html
 
Books: http://www.nigelkerner.com/Books.html

[Pauli2]

Not really Grays, but aliens who have never experienced PUL were depicted in Moen's third and fourth books. Moen met this race during a regular TMI course to Focus 34.

What is the background for J Harold's claims?

How does he convince you that his experience bear value?

[Alex-Anderson]

Jim Harold runs the Paranormal Podcast and is the host - he was interviewing Nigel Kerner who is the author of the book that I'm referencing in this post (Jim Harold was not very forthcoming on his views regarding the subject matter anyway).

What is PUL abbreviated for?

How does he convince you that his experience bear value?

Well I'm not fully convinced but based on the podcasts that I have listened too, justification and credibility to his theory is provided by the books, research and articles he has written on the subject. However obviously that doesn't mean you have to believe his views simply based on that.

[CFTraveler]

PUL= Pure Unconditonal Love.  Many authors refer to it.  I believe Swedenborg called it "Clear Light".  Or "the presence of God".  It's essentially 'the highest level', or the 'center of heaven'.

[NoY]

I listened to a podcast by Jim Harold this week (The Paranormal Podcast) interviewing Nigel Kerner and discussing his new book called 'Grey Aliens and Harvesting of Souls'.
 
In the book Nigel Kerner reveals that the greys are sophisticated biological robots created by a civilisation that they have long outlived, and they are seeking to master death by obtaining something that they do not have which human's possess – souls.
 
His theory definitely stands out different from the usual crowd, and initially I found it quite captivating – although not too convincing. On his website there are several links to further podcasts about his new book (which I'm listening too).
 
I have read several books on the UFO/Abduction phenomena, as well as OBE's/Astral Projections and my personal belief system tends to lean towards there being a common link between what we label as the paranormal. But despite his theory coming from a different angle on the UFO/Abduction subject, from the interviews I have listened too, I still find it hard to buy into. 
 
Has anyone read this book yet, or his previous books, or come across his theory yet elsewhere?  
 
Interviews: http://www.nigelkerner.com/Interviews.html
 
Books: http://www.nigelkerner.com/Books.html

I have found this to be true in my projections and have found a different way to help greys change from AI into spirits as we are both made of ether its only a matter of re organising the information held. I have done it many times in many parralels so its not neccesery for them to harvest human energys anylonger

if you see any greys specifically the ones that live on mars send them to NodesOfYesod for a bi nural tapistry and i can upgrade them

:NoY:

[personalreality]

That's what Icke says too.

[Monk]

Specifically what greys?

As far as I know, there are several "species" which have been encountered in the experiences of many.

Corresponding to the short little guys whose "effect" is quite menacing, I would agree that they are biological robots based on their reported behaviour but expanding this notion to the other "greys" would be uncalled for.

[Jochi]

Just adding my 2 cents lol the grays are a species called Zeta Reticulans from the star constellation Zeta Reticula

[schockstuhh]

Just adding my 2 cents lol the grays are a species called Zeta Reticulans from the star constellation Zeta Reticula

do you know this from experience? or have you read this online via zetatalk.com?

[Lexy]

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[Stillwater]

That's what Icke says too.

Yeah, but I think that is because a lot of these alien conspiracy-type people feed off of one another's ideas.

They might think it gives them credibility that they all say similar things, but in reality I think it just shows they all plagerize one another, lol.

Or maybe they read one another's written thoughts, and read the same thing so many different times from different sources they begin to accept it as fact themselves- I am sure this is how a lot of the bogus conspiracy theories spread.

I am not saying that all of the outlandish things they preach will prove to be untrue, but that you need to make reasonable judegements, and look for sources at all times.

[CFTraveler]

I just watched the latest episode of 'V', and wondered, do they get the plot from the conspiracy sites, or do the sites get the idea from the writers?

[Alex-Anderson]

They probably feed each other or at least stimulate food for thought for the writers. Or perhaps the writers do both contribute to the conspiracy theories and do the television/film - would make sense as everytime I read about some of these conspiracy theories you often think what a great story line.

I'm sure they have an interest in the subjects and probably have read countless books and browsed through countless online sites.

However irespective of truth conspiracy theories are much more fascinating than facts sometimes so maybe that's the driver.

[Lexy]

how do they harvest the souls? do they probe you & put it in a jar?

[NoY]

they use a co efficient engram to supplant the spirit suffocating the electron in your root which causes your energy to go into a collection vat and not up your energy system cutting you off from the fountain of life



:NoY:

[CFTraveler]

If you could be cut off from the fountain of life you'd be dead.

[WonderThis]

I've heard about these aliens too.  Apparently, the lizards have a way to trap our spirit and consume it.  The prison the soul is kept in is supposed to be horrible beyond what we can grasp.  Snuffed out, gone forever after it's eaten.  I'm new here but am shocked by people scoffing at the hard working people trying to uncover the alien conspiracy.  Many people were MURDERED for trying to tell us that these things are here.  They are not God nor are they warm and fuzzy creatures.  I'm  ESPECIALLY disappointed since the UK gave information recently about UFOs along with Canada's retired defense minister spilling the beans about these things.  The US has done a great job keeping this a secret but other nations are tired of lying and the effort it takes to cover it up $$$$ that is.     

I'm horrified that people are telling others that they can have a fun trip around the universe oob with no threats or that it's YOUR imagination.  They are here if you believe it or not. The lizards can and DO trap our spirits.

I'm also horrified that people are reporting wild sex...in the spirit!  I'm disgusted that people are dragging their vagina's and penis' for a wild ride and calling it SPIRITUAL!  Don't we have enough of that slop in this dimension? Is this garbage ever going to end?

I call it like I see it and refuse to bow down to any guru that claims to have all the answers.  Be careful "out there" and please don't follow what some of these "self proclaimed mystics" say.  Some of them have good intentions but many are just plain full of it.  We have to find answers for ourselves...it's part of our journey.         



       

     

[NoY]

is living in fear better?


:NoY:

[Astral316]

the lizards have a way to trap our spirit and consume it.  The prison the soul is kept in is supposed to be horrible beyond what we can grasp.  Snuffed out, gone forever after it's eaten. 

Many people were MURDERED for trying to tell us that these things are here.  They are not God nor are they warm and fuzzy creatures.

They are here if you believe it or not. The lizards can and DO trap our spirits.

I call it like I see it and refuse to bow down to any guru that claims to have all the answers.  Be careful "out there" and please don't follow what some of these "self proclaimed mystics" say.

So you won't mind if I take your advice by placing your beliefs (presented as fact) in the "plain full of it" category until further notice?

I'm also horrified that people are reporting wild sex...in the spirit!  I'm disgusted that people are dragging their vagina's and penis' for a wild ride and calling it SPIRITUAL!  Don't we have enough of that slop in this dimension? Is this garbage ever going to end?

The concept of sex being a perverted, anti-spiritual act is more or less an ignorant Christian belief construct. Sex is the gateway into this physical existence and penises/vaginas are the proverbial lock and key. In this light sex (in both the physical and astral) should be attributed great spiritual significance and not ignorantly relegated to sin like you're doing.

[CFTraveler]

I've heard about these aliens too.  Apparently, the lizards have a way to trap our spirit and consume it.  The prison the soul is kept in is supposed to be horrible beyond what we can grasp.  Snuffed out, gone forever after it's eaten.  I'm new here but am shocked by people scoffing at the hard working people trying to uncover the alien conspiracy.  Many people were MURDERED for trying to tell us that these things are here.  They are not God nor are they warm and fuzzy creatures.  I'm  ESPECIALLY disappointed since the UK gave information recently about UFOs along with Canada's retired defense minister spilling the beans about these things.  The US has done a great job keeping this a secret but other nations are tired of lying and the effort it takes to cover it up $$$$ that is.   

I see you say "I've heard"   and then go on to quote what someone said as if it were fact.  Why do you choose to believe that?

I'm horrified that people are telling others that they can have a fun trip around the universe oob with no threats or that it's YOUR imagination.  They are here if you believe it or not. The lizards can and DO trap our spirits.

Since many of us go traveling often and suffer no ill effects from it, why should I believe someone else's fear mongering instead of my own experience?

I'm also horrified that people are reporting wild sex...in the spirit! 

Not in the spirit, in the etheric.  Astral sex is the exchange of information, the merging of another soul.

I'm disgusted that people are dragging their vagina's and penis' for a wild ride and calling it SPIRITUAL!  Don't we have enough of that slop in this dimension? Is this garbage ever going to end?

Wow, mirror much?  Astral sex has nothing to do with penises and vaginas, and you obviously have a very twisted opinion of sex.  Like someone said, it's what gets us here, but you probably don't like it here either.

I call it like I see it and refuse to bow down to any guru that claims to have all the answers.

Exactly.  Don't.  Especially if they're all about scaring you and keeping your outlook as limited as possible.
 



       

     

[WonderThis]

I't good to see an honest question NoYo.

With all due respect!  To me, it IS better since the other option was ignorance (a sheep being led to slaughter though ignorance and man made religions).  Fear drives us into action when threatend.  Fight or flight...my reaction is to fight...that's how I was created.  I am, at times, fearful but I look for the lesson in it.  Fear gives us caution.  Only some are crippled by it.  I'm not one to lay in fear nor allow myself to be bullied by it.  Fear is an important emotion and needs to be respected, it's a warning to procede with caution.  Many pretend that it's something we shouldn't feel but I believe the contrary.  When we overcome a specific fear, we advance.  It has it's place or we wouldn't have it.  It's up to us if we learn from it or not.  Fear is not my God, it's a warning signal that God built into us.  We don't put our hands into fire because we don't want to get burned.  Why?  Because we fear living with the pain of the burn.  Telling someone to be cautious is what it is.  This should especially be since we do not fully understand what we are up against yet.  Only a few have lived to tell about these creatures.  

Am I "fearful" of these lizards?  Your damn right I am!  But!  I am willing listen to what others have to say about them. I will not hide in fear or deny their existence from fear.  I am also willing stand and fight to stop them from hurting one more man, woman or child.  This is what drove me to look here on this board.  I was hoping to find spiritual teachers that teach!  Free love and "your vagina and penis is the key to the universe" crap doesn't work for me.  That yet another man made religion with laws we must OBEY!  uuuuggg!  Is there anyone out there that hears what I'm asking or saying??   My vagina won't help me here.  To the person that tried to bully me with YOUR man made religion: If you could use your big fancy vagina against these creatures...then whip it out sister.  Put your money where your vagina is and use your strength.  I challenge you to pitch in with this battlle or put some panties on and shut up.        

[Astral316]

With all due respect!  To me, it IS better since the other option was ignorance (a sheep being led to slaughter though ignorance and man made religions).

You think your options are fear or ignorance? That's a sad place to be.

We don't put our hands into fire because we don't want to get burned.  Why?  Because we fear living with the pain of the burn.  

No we fear the pain of the burn, period. When we aren't confronted with the threat of pain, we have no reason to fear. Of course we can create a threat of pain in our minds like you're doing... we call that ignorance.

Am I "fearful" of these lizards?  Your damn right I am!  But!  I am willing listen to what others have to say about them. I will not hide in fear or deny their existence from fear.  I am also willing stand and fight to stop them from hurting one more man, woman or child.  This is what drove me to look here on this board.  I was hoping to find spiritual teachers that teach!  Free love and "your vagina and penis is the key to the universe" crap doesn't work for me.  That yet another man made religion with laws we must OBEY!  uuuuggg!  

I doubt many "spiritual teachers that teach" will come to your rescue after calling them "self proclaimed mystics." Further, teachers work with rules and specific concepts... so if you need your hand held in the spirit world you're going to be dealing with laws you "must OBEY! uuuuggg!" Further still, I doubt you will find many gurus centered in eastern spirituality that'll accept your UFO conspiracy theorist ramblings.

Is there anyone out there that hears what I'm asking or saying?? My vagina won't help me here.  To the person that tried to bully me with YOUR man made religion: If you could use your big fancy vagina against these creatures...then whip it out sister.  Put your money where your vagina is and use your strength.  I challenge you to pitch in with this battlle or put some panties on and shut up.

I don't understand what you're saying because I don't take contradiction as a second language. Other than peddling fear and a superstitious belief in soul stealing reptiles you haven't taken a solid stance on anything. When you find a coherent argument feel free to present it.

[Xanth]

I just wanted to say...

CFTraveler and Astral316, very well put responses. 

[Stookie]

He might be right. I saw it on youtube.

[CFTraveler]

I just wanted to say...

CFTraveler and Astral316, very well put responses. 

Thanks.

He might be right. I saw it on youtube.

I think it's a she, since she keeps saying things about using her ve-jay jay or something like that.